feeluupp said:

Noodled24 said:

Well then google it. It's not like anyone is stopping anyone watching it.

Can u GOOGLE JERK?

nOODLE.

I can. See, that's the thing about search engines. You can google anything you want.

In another 10 years or so Prince will be 70 and it seems remarkably unlikely he'll continue to tour like he has. Everything you keep refering to as his legacy, is actually his retirement fund.

[Edited 9/29/15 12:39pm]

JKOOLMUSIC said:

Right? If I want to see a shitty rip of a VHS recording of MTV in 1996, I'll Google the TMBGITW video. Kids go crazy for VHS rips, so retro.

Don't you already have a shitty VHS rip? So what difference does it make if it's on YouTube or not? You're already not watching it... Does it need to be on YouTube so you can not watch it there too? If you want better quality go watch it on VH1

The argument always comes back to the apparent assertation that millions of people will start buying Prince albums again after accidently stumbling onto some old music video. Which just isn't true.

I'm not the one pretending it's impossible to find his music videos.

Noodled24 said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

How about this? By not having his videos up there, not only is losing out on potential exposure of his dull & insipid new music, not to mention videos from his standout years, whenever the topic comes up in conversation, he’s also the prime example of an artist who not only doesn’t share their content (& lacks a significant web presence) but also goes after fans who do anything with visual, audio, or video content that relates to him? So, not only does he consistently appear to be behind the times & out of touch with modern marketing methods (there’s no method to his madness here, apologists), he looks like a maximum dickweed.

You think having the video for TMBGITW on YouTube would boost sales of HitNRun?

Any evidence for that? Can you name one artist who's chart topping days are behind them, who uploaded all their OLD videos to youtube and suddenly became the flavour of the month again?

Seems like it's just fans bitching about not getting everything they want for free. Not to mention the fact ALL HIS VIDEOS ARE ONLINE. Instead of searching on Youtube search on Google. Boom! every Prince video. You're welcome.

Can I? Hmm...

Van Morrison:

Montreaux 1980

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9cffwu-Pc0

Belfast 1979

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Akk5Kab9I

Hollywood Bowl 2013:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdMj34aQoZU

Paul McCartney:

Dodger Stadium 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PFH3jbrMgQ

Sting:

Vina Del Mar 2011:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QAbdIEicw

So you're going to pretend you know nothing about marketing & how exposure helps create brand awareness? Or are you just ignorant of basic business strategies, like your idol?

It has little to do with being the flavor of the month & considerably more to do with common sense.

Official or not, these artists (& countless others) don't waste their time & risk the hate & alienation of longtime fans by removing what's posted on YouTube. They also know how to use the medium & post official content regularly, for these same fans (& new ones) to enjoy in a forum that EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT, not in some cryptically typed website that he'll overcharge you for & lose interest in & months, but I guess you enjoy that sort of thing?

"Boom? Google?" That easy, huh? How about a website that Google owns that millions use daily for the sole purpose of finding video content that offers statistics on views & other actually useful content, allows people to comment & connect over the shared experience of watching the videos? I guess you missed that marketing class too, huh?

Noodled24 said:

JKOOLMUSIC said:

Right? If I want to see a shitty rip of a VHS recording of MTV in 1996, I'll Google the TMBGITW video. Kids go crazy for VHS rips, so retro.

Don't you already have a shitty VHS rip? So what difference does it make if it's on YouTube or not? You're already not watching it... Does it need to be on YouTube so you can not watch it there too? If you want better quality go watch it on VH1

The argument always comes back to the apparent assertation that millions of people will start buying Prince albums again after accidently stumbling onto some old music video. Which just isn't true.

I'm not the one pretending it's impossible to find his music videos.

U don't get it... Ur just too outdated... The point isn't about him selling millions again if he joins YouTube...

Oh and BTW my instagram just hit 60K so I do know a thing or two about social media.

LittlePurpleYoda said:

Noodled24 said:

You think having the video for TMBGITW on YouTube would boost sales of HitNRun?

Any evidence for that? Can you name one artist who's chart topping days are behind them, who uploaded all their OLD videos to youtube and suddenly became the flavour of the month again?

Seems like it's just fans bitching about not getting everything they want for free. Not to mention the fact ALL HIS VIDEOS ARE ONLINE. Instead of searching on Youtube search on Google. Boom! every Prince video. You're welcome.

Can I? Hmm...

Van Morrison:

Montreaux 1980

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9cffwu-Pc0

Belfast 1979

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Akk5Kab9I

Hollywood Bowl 2013:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdMj34aQoZU

Paul McCartney:

Dodger Stadium 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PFH3jbrMgQ

Sting:

Vina Del Mar 2011:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1QAbdIEicw

So you're going to pretend you know nothing about marketing & how exposure helps create brand awareness? Or are you just ignorant of basic business strategies, like your idol?

Did Sting uploading that video result in a top 10 hit? None of these artists have had a sudden resurgence as a result of putting those videos on YouTube. None of the above have done anything for the careers of those artists.

It has little to do with being the flavor of the month & considerably more to do with common sense.

Official or not, these artists (& countless others) don't waste their time & risk the hate & alienation of longtime fans by removing what's posted on YouTube. They also know how to use the medium & post official content regularly, for these same fans (& new ones) to enjoy in a forum that EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT, not in some cryptically typed website that he'll overcharge you for & lose interest in & months, but I guess you enjoy that sort of thing?

Common sense - from the point of view of the artist - is don't give stuff away for free. Prince made himself the poster boy for heavy handed techniques. That's why he can't sell a million albums anymore. It started with Uptown, over the yearts he lost tens of thousands of fans.

Let's not pretend that uploading some music videos to youtube is going to change anything.

"Boom? Google?" That easy, huh? How about a website that Google owns that millions use daily for the sole purpose of finding video content that offers statistics on views & other actually useful content, allows people to comment & connect over the shared experience of watching the videos? I guess you missed that marketing class too, huh?

I'd suspect that VH1/MTV etc pay more than YouTube?

Again... it's not like you're being denied access. All the music videos are available. There is a case that things like "The Undertaker" and some of the PP specials from the 90s could do with a platform. But again, there is some degree of value to them, so I can understand not giving the stuff away.

feeluupp said:

Noodled24 said:

Don't you already have a shitty VHS rip? So what difference does it make if it's on YouTube or not? You're already not watching it... Does it need to be on YouTube so you can not watch it there too? If you want better quality go watch it on VH1

The argument always comes back to the apparent assertation that millions of people will start buying Prince albums again after accidently stumbling onto some old music video. Which just isn't true.

I'm not the one pretending it's impossible to find his music videos.

U don't get it... Ur just too outdated... The point isn't about him selling millions again if he joins YouTube...

What on earth are you talking about?

He's not making much money from album sales, but at least he can make even less money via Youtube?

I dunno man, I've bought plenty of things after getting hipped via YouTube.

Noodled24 said:

feeluupp said:

U don't get it... Ur just too outdated... The point isn't about him selling millions again if he joins YouTube...

What on earth are you talking about?

He's not making much money from album sales, but at least he can make even less money via Youtube?

You really are out of touch. Not everyone is on YouTube to make money, but if you're as obsessed with being "#1 at the bank!" as Prince...

And YouTube is about exposure & easibility. In your earlier post, you stated that if fans wanted to find videos, they could just go to Google. Well, why not go to the most readily available, popular & widely known place on the Internet, where videos are easily searchable, sorted & tagged?

Yours are the arguments of a sycophant.

eyewishuheaven said:

I dunno man, I've bought plenty of things after getting hipped via YouTube.

For the younger generation, it is probably the #1 resource of discovery and research. Oh well, at least he went with TIDAL.

Noodled24 said:

Do you not understand economics? He's got videos, people want videos - So you think he should put them online for free so that in 10 years when he's not performing he can't sell them because he's given away all the gold?

They'll be worth a lot less ten years from now.

He should have been selling them for 20+ years, simple as that.. Like I've said before:

- we should be on the third or fourth round of remastered and expanded releases by now.

- We should have had DVDs and CDs of multiple "classic" gigs, and Prince should be sitting on a huge pile of money in return.

And don't think that money we didn't spend on CDs and DVDs we didn't get is in an account somewhere, ready to be spent en masse when Prince finally gets to his senses. He'll have lost a ton of fans by then, and whoever's left will pick and choose from what's on offer.

eyewishuheaven said:

I dunno man, I've bought plenty of things after getting hipped via YouTube.

I'm not saying it's not a decent content discovery system. The fact is, if you search for Prince on YouTube you will find stuff. Some of it has been there for years. You just won't find EVERYTHING.

[Edited 10/1/15 14:30pm]

LittlePurpleYoda said:

Noodled24 said:

What on earth are you talking about?

He's not making much money from album sales, but at least he can make even less money via Youtube?

You really are out of touch. Not everyone is on YouTube to make money, but if you're as obsessed with being "#1 at the bank!" as Prince...

As the above shows. I haven't once used the term "#! at the bank!". You said that. Not me. What I said was that it's not prudent to make available for free things he might want to cash-in on when he retires.

You're right that not everyone is on YouTube for profit. Most are. The rest are attention seeking, and/or cats.

And YouTube is about exposure & easibility. In your earlier post, you stated that if fans wanted to find videos, they could just go to Google. Well, why not go to the most readily available, popular & widely known place on the Internet, where videos are easily searchable, sorted & tagged?

Google also makes things easily searchable, sorted and tagged. It also doesn't just search YouTube. It searches other video sites.

Yours are the arguments of a sycophant.

I'm not sure they are.

eyewishuheaven said:

I dunno man, I've bought plenty of things after getting hipped via YouTube.

me too.Youtube can be a very valuable promotional tool.Whenever anyone mentions a new artist that I should check out,I head straight to Youtube to check out their music,which I then go out and buy if it's good.This is how I discovered Mayer Hawthorne.

SoulAlive said:

Youtube can be a valuable promotional tool for artists who know how to benefit from it.In many ways,it has become the new MTV.

The YouTube scam has been all about benefitting to the tune of BILLIONS from their users' willingness to embrace that 'Sharing is great! Information should be free!' sentiment (which is all well and good).

Essentially, users share everything they fancy and Google who can say in a really pathetic way that no first grade teacher would let any kid away with, 'It wasn't us who violated this copyright'. Meanwhile, it sells advertising and stock on the back of this ultimate 'audio-visual jukebox', has total control of the accounting surrounding the platform and is making music and film essentially a promotional tool for Google Eternity.

Prince's refusal is sound business sense. He has, of course, been humiliated for it, as is anybody who dares to realise never mind SPEAK the fact that good old Google and Facebook and now Spotify have eaten the entirety of intellectual property in a way that companies used to have to pay for.

I still think a crack team of lawyers devoted to the task could make YouTube pay up but unfortunately Google is now breeding crack teams of lawyers in their top-secret Google Law Lab.

Hmmm...maybe I've been watching too much Continuum re-runs

[Edited 10/1/15 13:44pm]

BartVanHemelen said:

Noodled24 said:

Do you not understand economics? He's got videos, people want videos - So you think he should put them online for free so that in 10 years when he's not performing he can't sell them because he's given away all the gold?

They'll be worth a lot less ten years from now.

Perhaps. I can't see how though. They could be used any number of ways. The SOTT cover mount in the UK likely wouldn't have happened if the video was up on YouTube.

He should have been selling them for 20+ years, simple as that.. Like I've said before:

- we should be on the third or fourth round of remastered and expanded releases by now.

- We should have had DVDs and CDs of multiple "classic" gigs, and Prince should be sitting on a huge pile of money in return.

Off the top of my head 20 years ago puts us in 1995, and as of 1995 there were several VHS tapes available... The Hits/B-sides, SexyMF, The Undertaker, 3 chains... So when he was still having top 10 singles there were plenty of videos for sale. They didn't get the DVD treatment because lets be honest - nobody bought the VHS tapes.

The argument seems to be that Prince should now have these up on Youtube.

I don't agree with your assertion that we should be on 3rd or 4th gen remasters. To his eternal credit, Prince has never cashed in on his back catalog. In the way he easily could have. I suspect in the coming years that will change.

And don't think that money we didn't spend on CDs and DVDs we didn't get is in an account somewhere, ready to be spent en masse when Prince finally gets to his senses. He'll have lost a ton of fans by then, and whoever's left will pick and choose from what's on offer.

Money you didn't spend on CD's you didn't get? I mean I know what you're getting at but come on. You can't be as angry about that as you keep making out.

With a whole generation of music listeners using YouTube to discover their music he has chosen to alienate the youth. That's the bottom line.

A lot of this kids know that he's legendary but they don't know why. They probably just assume he's a weirdo. Meanwhile newer acts that are influenced by his work are putting out music to much acclaim from them

Noodled24 said:

I don't agree with your assertion that we should be on 3rd or 4th gen remasters. To his eternal credit, Prince has never cashed in on his back catalog. In the way he easily could have. I suspect in the coming years that will change.

Whoah, remasters aren't about 'cashing in' - they're about preserving your legacy the way they should sound... because the mastering on those old 80s cds ain't it.

SoulAlive said:

eyewishuheaven said:

I dunno man, I've bought plenty of things after getting hipped via YouTube.

me too.Youtube can be a very valuable promotional tool.Whenever anyone mentions a new artist that I should check out,I head straight to Youtube to check out their music,which I then go out and buy if it's good.This is how I discovered Mayer Hawthorne.

I'm not disagreeing about it being a discovery tool. It is. You can discover Prince on there. If you want more you need to look elsewhere or buy it.

The title of the thread is somewhat ambiguous since the 3EG channel does occasionally still deliver content. Clearly he just isn't happy with YouTubes fraction of a cent deal. I don't really blame him for that. He has nothing to gain by having his videography up there.

eyewishuheaven said:

Noodled24 said:

I don't agree with your assertion that we should be on 3rd or 4th gen remasters. To his eternal credit, Prince has never cashed in on his back catalog. In the way he easily could have. I suspect in the coming years that will change.

Whoah, remasters aren't about 'cashing in' - they're about preserving your legacy the way they should sound... because the mastering on those old 80s cds ain't it.

Yes, but if you're at 3rd or 4th generation remansters inside 20 years as Bart suggested. That's cashing in.

Noodled24 said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Whoah, remasters aren't about 'cashing in' - they're about preserving your legacy the way they should sound... because the mastering on those old 80s cds ain't it.

Yes, but if you're at 3rd or 4th generation remansters inside 20 years as Bart suggested. That's cashing in.

Well ideally we'd get the one perfect set of remasters tomorrow, but for how long would they be perfect? I thought the Rykodisc Bowie cds in the 80s/90s were wonderful, but now that I've got the Five Years box, I see that they are not. Prince could have had similar releases all the way along, but he hasn't.

BUT we're veering wildly off topic here, so I'll just leave that ball on the ground.

[Edited 10/1/15 15:52pm]

eyewishuheaven said:

feeluupp said:

Noodled24 said:

Yes.

As a fan I'd love nothing more than for Prince to dump 3 weeks of videos on YouTube.

However there is no incentive for him to perform this data dump of music/videos that could well be considered his retirement fund. There will come a time when Prince can't or won't perform anymore. He will however still want a car to match his new shoes.

Nobody is falling over themselves to watch the video for 1999. Like most of Prince's music videos, it's dated, low budget and just not very good. Despite that, typing "Prince [insert song] video" into google will in most cases return search results which include a link to the videos. Just not via YouTube.

Where he has underutilized YouTube is in his promotion of 3EG. It's a great place to give the girls some experience on camera, so they don't "do a Prince" and fall appart when interviewed.

[Edited 9/27/15 7:06am]

... IT'S HIS LEGACY.

Everything is dated it's 2015, but 1999 is his legacy. Purple Rain, When Doves Cry, etc... That's his legacy NOT easily ACCESSABLE to the general public and the new genertaion.

I know I get sad when friends go to look up videos to play Prince at a party and they give up.

Cookiefree youtube over here brings me enzoknol or whatever because youtube thinks I am Dutch so I must like that type of garbage.

And of course one cannot blacklist enzoknol garbage without being signed in...

So if they pay not so much...

.

OTOH: I see video bloggers earn a (small?) living from doing videos on youtube with less views than that so how do they do that?

udo said:

OTOH: I see video bloggers earn a (small?) living from doing videos on youtube with less views than that so how do they do that?

A lot of popular channels have sponsors. For example lots of tech channels reach out to local businesses. A local electrical retailer supplies them with products to review, in return they get repeated mentions. You often find vloggers have a favorite drink or snack...

Many popular vloggers will get hired to write articles or create content for other websites. The people who are able to make a living from YouTube, use YouTube to build a following of sorts but rarely make a sustainable income from the money paid to them by YouTube; it's just opens the doors.

What if he uploaded his music to YouTube and sold advertisment space on each upload

That would certainly be an innovative approach

Thizz said:

MotownSubdivision said:

I'm just going to say this: why is Michael Jackson still one of the most famous people in the world? Why are there countless kids of this generation who are so familiar with a now-deceased artist whose peak of popularity was 20-30 years before they were born and whose last album came out around the time or several years before they were born? It isn't the only reason why but his catalog being widely available on YouTube definitely helps to keep his legacy glowing. Prince is damn foolish to not be taking advantage of such a platform and refusing to get with the times. He can obviously do whatever he pleases with his music but that doesn't mean that whatever he does is a good idea.

Thizz said: