i think where a lot of people go wrong is assuming that someone being passionately dissapointed (for want of a better way of putting it) in a prince release means the person isn't really into his music any more and is just looking for an excuse to bag him

i think often the opposite is true... the importance of prince's music to an individual might be the reason they're so passionate when they see him releasing stuff they consider to be phoned-in crap

To be fair, there's a difference between someone expressing they don't like an album, and someone posting 40 times on a single thread that an album is a "steaming pile of shit" or whatever.

The latter is just trolling behavior.

MoBettaBliss said:

dustoff said:

KingSausage said:

dustoff said:

To be fair, there's a difference between someone expressing they don't like an album, and someone posting 40 times on a single thread that an album is a "steaming pile of shit" or whatever.

The latter is just trolling behavior.

Nobody ever says posting something positive 40 times on a single thread is trolling behavior. There's no difference. It's all discussion.

I don't recall that the mostly positive review posts turn into or include "you're dumb" or "you don't know music" towards the people that don't like the album.

Many negative review posts turn into or include "only true believers would like this" (as if to say anyone who likes this album just turns their brain off when Prince releases or says something) or "anybody that likes this album is an imbecil".

Another thing that perplexes me lately is that I have seen several posts, including this one, that makes it seem like people that like Prince's output are somehow bullying those that don't like Prince's output.

To my recollection, it seems like the other way around - by a wide margin. The people that don't like Prince's output seem to be much more hostile and antagonistic about expressing their negative reviews, many times insulting those that do like said output.

pdiddy2011 said:

dustoff said:

To be fair, there's a difference between someone expressing they don't like an album, and someone posting 40 times on a single thread that an album is a "steaming pile of shit" or whatever.

The latter is just trolling behavior.

+1

KingSausage said:

pdiddy2011 said:

Another thing that perplexes me lately is that I have seen several posts, including this one, that makes it seem like people that like Prince's output are somehow bullying those that don't like Prince's output.

To my recollection, it seems like the other way around - by a wide margin. The people that don't like Prince's output seem to be much more hostile and antagonistic about expressing their negative reviews, many times insulting those that do like said output.

It's both sides. But my thread is aiming at something larger. The paradox I mentioned. Why do some people get labeled as "haters" because they don't like the newest album even when they love past albums that most people dislike? It doesn't make any sense. Is there a psychological need for people to get everyone in line to love the newest album? Why's it cool to bash Rave or Planet Earth but not HITNRUN?

That certainly doesn't make sense. But honestly, I don't see that happen very much.

Also, I think the term "hater" might be invoked when the person reviewing is calling the whole album "a steaming pile" or "phoned in" or "the worst album ever" or "craptastic". There may not be a psychological need to get eveyone's "love buy-in", but it can be hurtful to have something you like/love get publically crushed.

KingSausage said:

pdiddy2011 said:

Another thing that perplexes me lately is that I have seen several posts, including this one, that makes it seem like people that like Prince's output are somehow bullying those that don't like Prince's output.

To my recollection, it seems like the other way around - by a wide margin. The people that don't like Prince's output seem to be much more hostile and antagonistic about expressing their negative reviews, many times insulting those that do like said output.

It's both sides. But my thread is aiming at something larger. The paradox I mentioned. Why do some people get labeled as "haters" because they don't like the newest album even when they love past albums that most people dislike? It doesn't make any sense. Is there a psychological need for people to get everyone in line to love the newest album? Why's it cool to bash Rave or Planet Earth but not HITNRUN?

If you really read posts from these people, instead of writing shit every 2 secs and opening a new thread every 5, then you'd understand "haters" are the trolls who post how much they hate Prince and everything he puts out in every single bloody post they write. And also offend whoever dares to like something Prince puts out recently.

No one has anything againsts people who don't like something new, but it just seems like you don't want to understand where the problem is (hating/trolling).

Go back to all threads, read them again and maybe you will understand. For one KCOOL there are 1000 BartVanHemelen on this website. And both sides of the spectrum are really annoying.

[Edited 9/9/15 7:35am]

this thread is entirely too meta and i won't acknowledge it.

pdiddy2011 said:

KingSausage said:

pdiddy2011 said: It's both sides. But my thread is aiming at something larger. The paradox I mentioned. Why do some people get labeled as "haters" because they don't like the newest album even when they love past albums that most people dislike? It doesn't make any sense. Is there a psychological need for people to get everyone in line to love the newest album? Why's it cool to bash Rave or Planet Earth but not HITNRUN?

That certainly doesn't make sense. But honestly, I don't see that happen very much.

Also, I think the term "hater" might be invoked when the person reviewing is calling the whole album "a steaming pile" or "phoned in" or "the worst album ever" or "craptastic". There may not be a psychological need to get eveyone's "love buy-in", but it can be hurtful to have something you like/love get publically crushed.

People who get hurt by something like that are the same people who think everybody should get a trophy just for showing up. Grow a thicker skin and realize not everyone thinks the way you do - and that that's okay. (And by "you," I mean people who get "hurt" by internet opinions - not you, personally.)

KingSausage said:

pdiddy2011 said:

Another thing that perplexes me lately is that I have seen several posts, including this one, that makes it seem like people that like Prince's output are somehow bullying those that don't like Prince's output.

To my recollection, it seems like the other way around - by a wide margin. The people that don't like Prince's output seem to be much more hostile and antagonistic about expressing their negative reviews, many times insulting those that do like said output.

It's both sides. But my thread is aiming at something larger. The paradox I mentioned. Why do some people get labeled as "haters" because they don't like the newest album even when they love past albums that most people dislike? It doesn't make any sense. Is there a psychological need for people to get everyone in line to love the newest album? Why's it cool to bash Rave or Planet Earth but not HITNRUN?

I really don't think the issue that you are talking about exists on a large scale. People becoming upset because someone doesn't think everything Prince does is a "masterpiece" is a common occurence, but most of those people like 20Ten and Rave and everything else.

What I see is it's all about WHICH albums you like. If you dislike HITNRUN or AOA - you're a hater, if you dislike Planet Earth it's ok because it's Planet Earth. Now I like PE, but I'm still a hater because I don't like 3121, 20Ten, Musicology etc. I'm left scratching my head over what makes someone a "hater" or not other than general consensus on certain pop albums

Genesia said:

pdiddy2011 said:

That certainly doesn't make sense. But honestly, I don't see that happen very much.

Also, I think the term "hater" might be invoked when the person reviewing is calling the whole album "a steaming pile" or "phoned in" or "the worst album ever" or "craptastic". There may not be a psychological need to get eveyone's "love buy-in", but it can be hurtful to have something you like/love get publically crushed.

People who get hurt by something like that are the same people who think everybody should get a trophy just for showing up. Grow a thicker skin and realize not everyone thinks the way you do - and that that's okay. (And by "you," I mean people who get "hurt" by internet opinions - not you, personally.)

"Hurt" might be the wrong terminology. I mean get offended; likely responding in kind. And I can understand the offense taken when someone says "this is garbage and you must have your face up Prince's a@% to like this."

Most times I truly doubt that a person cares that much that someone doesn't like Prince's output. It's moreso the delivery of the negative review.

KingSausage said:

I've noticed a strange trend with a lot of Orgers. People who love Prince's newest album go apeshit on anyone who expresses a dissenting, negative opinion. Yet many of those same people will admit to disliking some of Prince's other recent albums (i.e. since WB). Sometimes the "true believers" will even give "naysayers" shit for admitting that they've liked some albums widely seen as turkeys. For example, I've been given shit for admitting I love Rave Un2 and 20ten. At what point is it acceptable on the Org to admit that you don't love a recent Prince album? Is there some reason so many people fiercely defend the latest Prince album? Now that HITNRUN is out and people are defending it (and often getting very sensitive about negative opinions), will these same defenders get thicker skin about people attacking AOA or 20ten? Is it just a matter of time, so that the defenders realize that maybe his other recent albums weren't perfect and now they're okay with more balanced assessments?

I can agree with the criticism --- the bad reviews in this case are as right as the good reviews. It depends on where you sit in your assessment of commerical pop. This doesnt sound any better or worse than whats on the radio now imo.

I agree that Josh is a fish out of water, but I still enjoy the album for the pure fun you can tell they had...its overwrought in spots, clearly enamoured with the software - but its still upbeat and fun in the most cheesy way possible.

Somethings sometimes arent that deep lololol

[Edited 9/9/15 7:52am]

Marco81 said:

SanMartin said:

Here's an opinion:

Sign O' The Times is genius.

Planet Earth is boring.

MPLS Sound is bad.

HitnRun is a miss.

NouveauDance said:

Marco81 said:

KingSausage said:

pdiddy2011 said: It's both sides. But my thread is aiming at something larger. The paradox I mentioned. Why do some people get labeled as "haters" because they don't like the newest album even when they love past albums that most people dislike? It doesn't make any sense. Is there a psychological need for people to get everyone in line to love the newest album? Why's it cool to bash Rave or Planet Earth but not HITNRUN?

If you really read posts from these people, instead of writing shit every 2 secs and opening a new thread every 5, then you'd understand "haters" are the trolls who post how much they hate Prince and everything he puts out in every single bloody post they write. And also offend whoever dares to like something Prince puts out recently.

No one has anything againsts people who don't like something new, but it just seems like you don't want to understand where the problem is (hating/trolling).

Go back to all threads, read them again and maybe you will understand. For one KCOOL there are 1000 BartVanHemelen on this website. And both sides of the spectrum are really annoying.

[Edited 9/9/15 7:35am]

I agree with you Marco81 , it's the same people , saying the same shit, saying certain album is turd or certain album is masterpiece YAWN. If you like something and they don't, its like you must be deaf or your a ass licker Prince fam and love anything he does. Then if something is good to them and you find it overrated or not as great in your opinion, you get you must be new here and you would not know good music if it hit you in the face. Peace

It's ok KingSausage, you don't have to keep up with the denial, you can admit it. I know you're afraid you'll get teased about changing your mind again, especially after the U Know incident of 2014, but it's only in fun. We'll still respect you really.

TheEnglishGent said:

KingSausage said:

SHITSNRUNS

pdiddy2011 said:

Genesia said:

People who get hurt by something like that are the same people who think everybody should get a trophy just for showing up. Grow a thicker skin and realize not everyone thinks the way you do - and that that's okay. (And by "you," I mean people who get "hurt" by internet opinions - not you, personally.)

"Hurt" might be the wrong terminology. I mean get offended; likely responding in kind. And I can understand the offense taken when someone says "this is garbage and you must have your face up Prince's a@% to like this."

Most times I truly doubt that a person cares that much that someone doesn't like Prince's output. It's moreso the delivery of the negative review.

That is rude - no question about it. But to be honest, I haven't seen a whole lot of that. What I see more of is, "You don't like HITNRUN. You hate Prince. " Or, "You're just old and don't get modern music. " Or, "If you hate Prince so much, why are you here?"

I was called a "hater" before AOA even came out, for expressing the opinion that, based on what I had heard at that point (Breakfast Can Wait, and various and sundry snippets), I had serious reservations about whether I'd like the album. Keep in mind that my comments were based on content - not on personalities or any other ad hominem.

Everybody just needs to lighten up. It's entertainment (or should be), for crying out loud.

Genesia said:

Prince politics have the same range as U.S. politics.

You have Far Left, who love every little thing he does (Jughead, Wedding Feast, Animal Kingdom, Resolution, etc). They love every lyric, every note, even love the movie Graffiti Bridge. To them, Prince has done it all "his way" and they applaud him for it. All "masterpieces".

Then you have the Far Right, who criticize Prince's every single move, claiming he should've retired after Lovesexy/D&P/TGE/etc.. Saying his lyrics are trite and stale, and that his music is desperately chasing trends. Wishing he'd hire an outside producer. They even criticise his black clothes for not being the same black.

I've been a fan since 1983 when I first heard 1999 on Detroit radio. I like to think I'm in the middle just slightly to the Right. I was once firmly planted Far Left, but I've been moving farther right over the years. I can't gloss over subpar music just because it's Prince. I gave him several "free passes" with 1999:TNM, NEWS and PE. I've even forgiven him the multiple fanclubs that have come and gone. It all affects my own perception of Prince and what he means to me as an artist.

Also, there's just so much more music out there to be heard and experienced beyond the Prince eco-system. He's not the center of all-things-music.

If Prince still "does it" for you - then great. I loved AOA but thought 2/3 of PlectrumElectrum was awful. I loved LotusFlow3r but thought most of MPLSound was bad. Etc. Like KingSausage, my Prince card is not about to be relinquished anytime soon. I just don't like HNR. I like to think as a 30+ year fan, my opinion counts . . .

Prince made a bad album. Not the end of the world.

Se7en said:

KingSausage said:

MoBettaBliss said:

i think where a lot of people go wrong is assuming that someone being passionately dissapointed (for want of a better way of putting it) in a prince release means the person isn't really into his music any more and is just looking for an excuse to bag him

i think often the opposite is true... the importance of prince's music to an individual might be the reason they're so passionate when they see him releasing stuff they consider to be phoned-in crap

YES. Well said. People act like I need to turn in my Prince fan card because I don't like HITNRUN. Well, if I had turned it in when I didn't like MPLShit, I wouldn't have had it when I loved 20ten and AOA. And if I turn it in now, do I need to reapply when I love Free Urself or Phase Two or whatever the next album is?

I don't recall you repeating like a mantra that Prince hasn't released a decent thing in 20 years, as proven by the part in bold.

I wrote on this very forum that I hated PE when released in 2007, and that I was totally hermetic to Back In Time 6 months ago. Then I'd rave on Mplsound or Superconductor. Similarly I can think Prince behaves like an ass on one thing (lotusflow3r.com) and not condemning everything he does or say as if he was the dictator of a horrible totalitarian regime raping little girls for breakfast!

The people I think are doing little more than trolling are those who create a new thread every week to say that Prince is over and done and bitch on nearly everything he does, says, or releases, continuously, no matter what it is.

Some people like Bart do that but at least Bart often provides usueful information, so he fulfills a purpose in this community.

Certain other people, honestly, it's like they're only here because Prince once slept with their girlfriend.

IDK, say u hate HnR all u want, I'm fine with that. Say u hate everything but 2 or 3 songs since 1995 and I say get outta here u ain't bringing anything to this community.