BartVanHemelen said:

Me too. I would love to read this.

KingSausage said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Don't get your hopes up. I'd say: self-publish. If it is a success, there's always a chance a publisher might get interested. That's what happened to Alan Sepinwall with his book "The Revolution Was Televised: The Cops, Crooks, Slingers, and Slayers Who Changed TV Drama Forever" (see also his FAQ).

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Get it out there, and I'll buy it the second it is released.

Me too. I would love to read this.

Me three. Sounds great.

maplenpg said:

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outstanding singer? Dylan sounds like he ate a bag of razor blades and he shittttin on the toilet and it hurts when he sings!!

Graycap23 said:

TrevorAyer said:

thedance said:

kidmelody2012 said:

all of y'all. Did y'all get an audience with the Pope? The Medal of Honour? The French Legion d'honneur? MusicCares Person of the Year? And, if none of that, a recording carreer of more than 50 years?

But then again, of course, I shouldn't be so stupid. I've heared all of Dylan's and Prince's music and we all know Kidmelody is the greatest musician even though none of us heared his music! But he's a genius! He says so and so it must be true"

NorthC said:

But then again, of course, I shouldn't be so stupid. I've heared all of Dylan's and Prince's music and we all know Kidmelody is the greatest musician even though none of us heared his music! But he's a genius! He says so and so it must be true"

MY music heard all over the world ...have you ever heard the song " I remember" recorded by George Duke? I wrote it sucker!!!

iZsaZsa said:

maplenpg said:

Me three. Sounds great.

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I would love to purchase something like this as well, hope you manage to release it somehow. I have a book that documents the activities of The Who (not that I listen to them a great deal anymore) on a daily basis from their inception to the 80s so I'm sure there must be a market for these meticulously detailed books on music artists somewhere, but I have no idea what the best way is going forward, I wish you every success though!

BartVanHemelen said:

madhouseman said:

Once it is done, I need to find a publisher.

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Don't get your hopes up. I'd say: self-publish. If it is a success, there's always a chance a publisher might get interested. That's what happened to Alan Sepinwall with his book "The Revolution Was Televised: The Cops, Crooks, Slingers, and Slayers Who Changed TV Drama Forever" (see also his FAQ).

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Get it out there, and I'll buy it the second it is released.

Thanx. I'm not sure how I'll do it. I have a few publishers that are expressing interest, but I may self publish it. The benefit of going through a big publisher is that it has a legal department that would go through the book before it is published.

Either way, it is going to come out. You can see some examples of early (and I do mean early!) drafts on the pages of the Org. Looking forward to being finished and getting it out there. Glad there are people who want to read it.

madhouseman said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Don't get your hopes up. I'd say: self-publish. If it is a success, there's always a chance a publisher might get interested. That's what happened to Alan Sepinwall with his book "The Revolution Was Televised: The Cops, Crooks, Slingers, and Slayers Who Changed TV Drama Forever" (see also his FAQ).

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Get it out there, and I'll buy it the second it is released.

Thanx. I'm not sure how I'll do it. I have a few publishers that are expressing interest, but I may self publish it. The benefit of going through a big publisher is that it has a legal department that would go through the book before it is published.

Either way, it is going to come out. You can see some examples of early (and I do mean early!) drafts on the pages of the Org. Looking forward to being finished and getting it out there. Glad there are people who want to read it.

I can't wait to read it! A publisher would of course make things easier but in the worst (?) case self-publishing is indeed a growing model, one that's more and more successful. Putting an ebook online is costless and systems like Lulu.com allow printing on demand and avoid the investment of printing so many copies.

My greatest hope is that you will be able to go beyond this one book and cover in a similarly detailed manner P's whole recording sessions/career, particularly the more than mysterious post-WB years if possible (it seems confidentiality contracts make P's collaborators less eager to talk after 96).

My greatest fear is that it won't be profitable because it's such a niche audience and that you'd be discouraged like it seems Per Nilsen was in the end. This kinda stuff I'm afraid is often a fruit of passion and it's extremely difficult to make enough money to pay for the thousands of hours it takes.

But at this point it seems you are the one and only person still willing to go through the effort (I would help, I swear I would, but I guess u need to live in the US to interview all those folks), so as Leia said: "help us Madhouseman Kenobi, you are our only hope".

Stimpy said:

watch the documentary on "the wrecking crew" and you will see the GREATEST collection of musical session players (including John Blackwell's dad Charley and WEndy's dad as well) EVER.

they played on almost EVERY record released in the 1960's and early 1970's and often did 5 sessions a day often 15 hours at a stretch.

THEY did an album in hours sometimes.

Nonsense. They were a band, not one man in the studio.

Secondly, they were given music sheets (or at least instructions) whereas Prince probably arranged his stuff and mixed it on the fly.

No comparison.

Okay, all kidding aside, I'd love for Mr. Madhouseman to publish his book one way or the other, but is it really only going to be about 1983-84 only? And you put hundreds of hours of research into that? And the Purple Rain reissue didn't even come out? Then I'm sorry to say, I've seen the Future and it will be... Let's not kid ourselves, folks, apart from a few orgers, no one is going to care about this! If good old Prince had started remastering his old albums a few years ago, so that in 2012 we would have had a new 1999 with Moonbeam Levels on it and a full concert on youtube, then yes, there would have been room for a book like this. But we really do need the Purple One to cooperate at least a little bit. If he doesn't give a damn about his legacy, why would anyone else? That's the thing. If Mr. Madhouseman had done the same amount of research on Bob Dylan or Miles Davis, rock and jazz magazines would have gone apeshit about it. And that would have sold some books. But as far as rock and jazz mags are concerned these days, Prince is like a complete unknown...

Funny that Dylan gets spitted on when the only sane thing to do for Ol' Skipper is to start a Columbia-like Bootleg Series with WB.

And 2 Whom It May Concern,
Dylan is up there with Elvis, Nina Simone, Macca&Lennon, Stevie Wonder and such.

Prince can do Adore, and we have a state of grace laid on wax.

But Prince never approached, by far, the level of adultness, wrath and redemption you get from "Blood On The Tracks". On "Idiot Wind" and "If You See Her Say Hello", he's the best singer ever, bar none, everyone back to guts school.

You're talking about the man who revolutionized singing in Pop.
By not singing. And then he sung again.

Prince needs a studio trick for Camille,
wheras Bob can suddenly yodel "Lay Lady Lay" like he's someone else, and it makes you wonder.

You'd better respect Zimmie, otherwise it shows you're not much of a real music lover.
Ain't no way Prince can sing "Political World" or "Most Of The Time".
That's how far Prince's gone. "He's all gone", to quote Springsteen.

Listening to "Baltimore", it makes you wonder, and not in a good way.
Saccharose for guns? "Lovesign" is an FM masterpiece in comparison.

And for the respect of Prince, we ain't gonna mention lyrics, are we?

As far as Prince is my Eternal Hero, that guy that stretched it beyond any known limit,
he's always going to be an autist.

Bob went into the world and embraced it.
Prince created his own.

That long-haired Control Freak.

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Yeah, of course I love Prince, that's why I come here, and it really has nothing to do with one being better than the other, and yes, of course not every artist is to everyone's taste, yadayada, but REALLY? To say that Dylan can't sing is such a hipster cliche I feel embarrassed for those that say it... because if you're a music lover, I fear that you may not really know how to listen to music.

Technical ability is important, of course, but it is only one element of what makes a great singer. Human beings do not sing to express dominance over other human singers with their technical ability.... if they do, then there's really nothing left for us to talk about because as a race we are doomed.

Human beings sing to communicate.

Bob Dylan has been communicating his experience of being on earth and alive with astounding intensity, density and talented wordsmithery for 50 years. Half a century into his career, he can still astound, surprise, move and connect.

Prince is also able to do this, which is why we love him. It's just that he does it more sporadically then he used to. He can drift into autopilot sometimes, renderding a particular album or concert performance asmirable but boring. Of course, when he does connect he stands the hairs on your arm up, but I think its fair to say he's been more hit and miss at this in recent years than Dylan.

Dylan had his time wandering in the wilderness too, in his late 40s, early 50s... he found his way back to inspiration through sheer hard work.

I really hope Prince will do the same.

No one's bothered if someone doesn't like Dylan. But to write him off as 'he can't sing' makes me cringe.... just listen to yourself and then listen again to him.

If you think Dylan can't sing, you've never heard Nashville Skyline.

Or Blood On The Tracks, or Desire, or Slow Train Coming, or Love & Theft, or Time Out Of Mind, or Bringing It All Back Home, or Highway 61 Revisited...

Talking of tracks and trains.... I actually didn't mean to derail the thread, apologies, but sometimes things just need putting right so badly it has to be done...

Anyway, back to the OP's point.... amazing sessions...

Back in the day Prince mainly sang about his tussles with women, love and sex on one hand, or his grappling with his spiritual side on the other. In other words, he sang about Lovesexy long before he coined the phrase. Now he isnt grappling with his spirituality and he has sensored his lust to the point of none existence. He has nothing left to sing about except his money, his parties, PG-Rated love, scriptures and how great he is. His PG rated sex life is pretty boring, the scriptures are niche to only a few and his money and party songs have been done to death. What is left in the well? He needs a new voice with something to say but is looking to 20 year old bible bashers for inspiration.

At least Dylan lives in the same world as we do and has a lot more available material in which to draw from. Dylan probably has more to say on one album than Prince has said in the past 20 years.

Prince lost his Lovesexy, which was in essence his voice, when he became a JW. And even if he is no longer restricted to that faith, the damage seems to have been done. Ive come to accept that Prince lyrically has nothing of much interest to me, but if the music is kicking ass then I dont care. But if there is a smidgen of mundanaity to the music, then the whole thing falls apart for me. Stare is a prime example. There is a good idea in there somewhere looking to break out, but it doesnt quite manage it. There is something mundane within the music that cant save the lyrical content.

Graycap23 said:

TrevorAyer said:

thedance said:

Rebeljuice said:

Back in the day Prince mainly sang about his tussles with women, love and sex on one hand, or his grappling with his spiritual side on the other. In other words, he sang about Lovesexy long before he coined the phrase. Now he isnt grappling with his spirituality and he has sensored his lust to the point of none existence. He has nothing left to sing about except his money, his parties, PG-Rated love, scriptures and how great he is. His PG rated sex life is pretty boring, the scriptures are niche to only a few and his money and party songs have been done to death. What is left in the well? He needs a new voice with something to say but is looking to 20 year old bible bashers for inspiration.

At least Dylan lives in the same world as we do and has a lot more available material in which to draw from. Dylan probably has more to say on one album than Prince has said in the past 20 years.

Prince lost his Lovesexy, which was in essence his voice, when he became a JW. And even if he is no longer restricted to that faith, the damage seems to have been done. Ive come to accept that Prince lyrically has nothing of much interest to me, but if the music is kicking ass then I dont care. But if there is a smidgen of mundanaity to the music, then the whole thing falls apart for me. Stare is a prime example. There is a good idea in there somewhere looking to break out, but it doesnt quite manage it. There is something mundane within the music that cant save the lyrical content.

You nailed it.

Rebeljuice said:

Back in the day Prince mainly sang about his tussles with women, love and sex on one hand, or his grappling with his spiritual side on the other. In other words, he sang about Lovesexy long before he coined the phrase. Now he isnt grappling with his spirituality and he has sensored his lust to the point of none existence. He has nothing left to sing about except his money, his parties, PG-Rated love, scriptures and how great he is. His PG rated sex life is pretty boring, the scriptures are niche to only a few and his money and party songs have been done to death. What is left in the well? He needs a new voice with something to say but is looking to 20 year old bible bashers for inspiration.

At least Dylan lives in the same world as we do and has a lot more available material in which to draw from. Dylan probably has more to say on one album than Prince has said in the past 20 years.

Prince lost his Lovesexy, which was in essence his voice, when he became a JW. And even if he is no longer restricted to that faith, the damage seems to have been done. Ive come to accept that Prince lyrically has nothing of much interest to me, but if the music is kicking ass then I dont care. But if there is a smidgen of mundanaity to the music, then the whole thing falls apart for me. Stare is a prime example. There is a good idea in there somewhere looking to break out, but it doesnt quite manage it. There is something mundane within the music that cant save the lyrical content.

u brilliant!