as was the sacrifice of victor performance...

I thought the performance was UNTOUCHABLE.

... it already had that magic TOUCH!

I don't understand the question!

was the performance "fixed" after ....

by who?

If it has been "retouched," I haven't heard about it--the original is amazing.

I have no idea where I read this (most likely here) but I'm pretty sure someone once explained the tape was leaked by someone who worked at the venue, not afterwards from Paisley Park, in which case it's just the way it was.

I actually can't think of any soundboard boot that was tinkered with anyway and save the City Lights series, I think that anyway most of them were leaked by sound engineers or venue owners who got a copy of the recording as it was being recorded.

databank said:

I actually can't think of any soundboard boot that was tinkered with

.

Editing etc does happen, the 1984 birthday show for isntance is missing a few seconds and that was fixed by using the audience recording. IIRC at least oen of those Lovesexy Live In Japan boots was also tinkered with (drop-outs fixed etc). There are more examples like that.

Yeah it was probably edited in some way or "mastered" by altering the EQ or adding compression and reverb.

If you are asking, did Prince re-record his vocals or change the music performance... almost certainly not.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

I actually can't think of any soundboard boot that was tinkered with

.

Editing etc does happen, the 1984 birthday show for isntance is missing a few seconds and that was fixed by using the audience recording. IIRC at least oen of those Lovesexy Live In Japan boots was also tinkered with (drop-outs fixed etc). There are more examples like that.

^ I meant tinkered with by Prince, sorry. Yeah fans and bootleggers have tinkered with some boots to "fix" some of the original recordings' issues but it's not like the official editing or overdubbing the way some official releases have been through.

Why would Prince tinker/edit/touch a live show, and then "release" it as a bootleg!?

callimnate said:

Why would Prince tinker/edit/touch a live show, and then "release" it as a bootleg!?

Because he should!
Tinkering is his way of life. (as we all know)

It would be a loophole to release stuff without having to acknowledge it came from him.

udo said:

callimnate said:

Why would Prince tinker/edit/touch a live show, and then "release" it as a bootleg!?

Because he should!
Tinkering is his way of life. (as we all know)

It would be a loophole to release stuff without having to acknowledge it came from him.

Oh let's not start with this again! I never even HINTED that P may have been behind any leak. He's been notorious for finishing projects then shelving them: it's likely that some live shows have been edited as if for release, then left off to dust in the vault. I was talking about the (absence of) leaks of such recordings is all.

databank said:

Oh let's not start with this again! I never even HINTED that P may have been behind any leak.

I never indicated that you did hint that P may have been behind any leak.

If he cares about his children it is just a logical result...

well the Sacrifice of victor video was fixed..if u listen to the boot of the show and the released ....

ufoclub said:

With the completely wacked out levels of (mis)arrangement (listen to the horrible soundboard mix of Housequake in that show) I think not. My favorite from this aftershow are simply the first two tracks. Those are perfect! I think the level that the guitar solo comes in on "just my imagination" is rough too.

You're going down in flames .

Man, saving 2 songs from Small Club is like saving 2 songs from SOTT and saying the rest is crap.

I don't understand why everybody nowadays wants to listen only to spectacular or entertaining pieces of music.
An album, or a concert, is made of pauses, transitions and different moods.
It's like nowadays we have to extract only the "Best Of" out of anything, and giving no time

to songs that deserve more than one listen. But I digress.

Here's 3 counts of indictement that will cast you out of the Prince fans on the spot, when it comes to Small Club :

- Omitting Still Would Stand (and its solo) and Rave as must-hear tracks,

- Saying that the mix is wrong (for Pete's sake, it's an aftershow),

- Suggesting that someone post-edited the stuff.

bonatoc said:

ufoclub said:

With the completely wacked out levels of (mis)arrangement (listen to the horrible soundboard mix of Housequake in that show) I think not. My favorite from this aftershow are simply the first two tracks. Those are perfect! I think the level that the guitar solo comes in on "just my imagination" is rough too.

You're going down in flames .

Man, saving 2 songs from Small Club is like saving 2 songs from SOTT and saying the rest is crap.

I don't understand why everybody nowadays wants to listen only to spectacular or entertaining pieces of music.
An album, or a concert, is made of pauses, transitions and different moods.
It's like nowadays we have to extract only the "Best Of" out of anything, and giving no time

to songs that deserve more than one listen. But I digress.

Here's 3 counts of indictement that will cast you out of the Prince fans on the spot, when it comes to Small Club :

- Omitting Still Would Stand (and its solo) and Rave as must-hear tracks,

- Saying that the mix is wrong (for Pete's sake, it's an aftershow),

- Suggesting that someone post-edited the stuff.

I think you misunderstood something... I was saying that the original boot is NOT post-edited ('I think not")... and the poor soundmix from the board at the venue is an indication of authenticity.

Yes it's an aftershow, and yes the mix is all wrong on some of the tracks. But I have heard other aftershows in which the mix is great all the way through.

I've always thought that the first two tracks were the diamond tracks ever since I first got this thing back in 1990 (or was it '89 when it first showed up?). I respect much of the rest of it, but don't think it's as remarkable as the beginning, even the rock vamping of RAVE. But that's not to say it's an excellent boot and document.

I'll go put it on now to hear it. It's been years!

udo said:

databank said:

Oh let's not start with this again! I never even HINTED that P may have been behind any leak.

I never indicated that you did hint that P may have been behind any leak.

If he cares about his children it is just a logical result...

WE are his children

ufoclub said:

bonatoc said:

You're going down in flames .

Man, saving 2 songs from Small Club is like saving 2 songs from SOTT and saying the rest is crap.

I don't understand why everybody nowadays wants to listen only to spectacular or entertaining pieces of music.
An album, or a concert, is made of pauses, transitions and different moods.
It's like nowadays we have to extract only the "Best Of" out of anything, and giving no time

to songs that deserve more than one listen. But I digress.

Here's 3 counts of indictement that will cast you out of the Prince fans on the spot, when it comes to Small Club :

- Omitting Still Would Stand (and its solo) and Rave as must-hear tracks,

- Saying that the mix is wrong (for Pete's sake, it's an aftershow),

- Suggesting that someone post-edited the stuff.

I think you misunderstood something... I was saying that the original boot is NOT post-edited ('I think not")... and the poor soundmix from the board at the venue is an indication of authenticity.

Yes it's an aftershow, and yes the mix is all wrong on some of the tracks. But I have heard other aftershows in which the mix is great all the way through.

I've always thought that the first two tracks were the diamond tracks ever since I first got this thing back in 1990 (or was it '89 when it first showed up?). I respect much of the rest of it, but don't think it's as remarkable as the beginning, even the rock vamping of RAVE. But that's not to say it's an excellent boot and document.

I'll go put it on now to hear it. It's been years!

I think People Without is pretty interesting as well.