thisisreece said:

Noodled24 said:

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I totally get the comparison between MNIP and Jacksons "Bad". Jackson had sensed the "harder" edge that was coming through in music with the "Bad" album. This was "My Name Is Prince (and I'm bad too)". It wasn't even subtle.

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Really? The 'Bad' album was more reactionary to 'Purple Rain', was it not? Jackson wanted to be dirty and gritty and 'bad' like Prince, resulting with songs like 'Dirty Diana' being 'Darling Nikki-lite'.

I think Bad was a calculated image change. Jackson wanted a "harder" image. But I think it was more to do with what he saw happening in black culture at the time, rather than being a direct result of what Prince did on Purple Rain.

But I think the song MNIP is Prince doing the same thing in his own way. There is even a line in the song "you must become a Prince before a king anyway". I'm not saying the whole symbol album. Just the song MNIP seems like an answer to "Bad".

I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but many of the songs people here are listing as being 'bottom' are among my favorites from their respective albums

(not saying they're the best tracks on them though).

I really like "Take Me With U", "Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do", "I Dig U Better Dead", "U Make My Sunshine", "Lemmon Crush", "Scandalous", "The Arms of Orion"...

Hell, I absolutely love "The Ladder"!

To the point that I get goosebumps whenever I watch that part on the "Prince - A Music Portrait" documentary, where he is rehearsing it on the piano.

But one thing that there's no dispute: "Purple and Gold" is really unbearable.

Other songs I do not like:

• "Jughead"
• "Live 4 Love"
• "2 Nigs United 4 West Compton"
• "Loose!"

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Why hasn't nobody mentioned "One Song" yet?

BartVanHemelen said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Why hasn't nobody mentioned "One Song" yet?

In my case, because I've forgotten it.

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I can't remember how it goes; I just know there's something in my brain that says "never listen to this song again".

BartVanHemelen said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

BartVanHemelen said: In my case, because I've forgotten it.

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I can't remember how it goes; I just know there's something in my brain that says "never listen to this song again".

Skip the 5 minute acid speech and the actual song isn't half bad. He just sings it terribly - like, really 'impassioned'. It's better than The Rainbow Children and it has no offensive, but rather inviting lyrics...

Soooo many great songs being listed here (Wherever U Go Whatever U Do, Live 4 Love, Solo, Rave Un2, Strange But True, Blue Light).

I actually think there are very few outright bad Prince songs, but he seemed to go through a bit of a tacky try-hard phase from 89-92.

I don't particularly rate any of these songs highly:

Jughead

The Flow

My Name Is Prince

Daddy Pop

New Power Generation

Lemon Crush

Batdance

Arms Of Orion

BartVanHemelen said:

it was a controversial show and topic to be sure...

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

BartVanHemelen said: In my case, because I've forgotten it.

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I can't remember how it goes; I just know there's something in my brain that says "never listen to this song again".

One Song is not that bad. I will never listen to the intro about him babbling about whatever he is bumbling about, but once the proper song starts and he starts singing, it is a decent song for a free song, and it would be fine as a b-side or a somewhat throwaway album track. My bottom five songs are far more garbage than One Song. Graffitti Bridge is the only one that should not be in the bottom five, but that "love of a boy, love of a girl" crap is so bad, I can't listen to the song anymore. It has some ok music, and nice guitar solo...but I'll probably never listen to it again.

Purple And Gold

Jughead

The Wedding Feast

Push It Up

Graffiti Bridge

stillwaiting said:

Scarfo said:

1) Pomm Pomm was a stupid song.

2) Arms of Orion was a boring as fuck song.

3) Planet Earth was bullshit

4)The Gold Standard was bonified trash.

5)Lolita is lame.

Pomm Pomm? At least get the title right if you're gonna call it the worst ever. It's not that bad...

Arms of Orion is mundane, but bottom 5? No..some nice vocals...

Planet Earth? My god...it's a very good almost great song...

Gold Standard is among the best of the 2 new albums by far

Lolita? Among the better half of 3121, but something is missing...but bottom five?

Purple And Gold

Jughead

The Wedding Feast

Push It Up

Graffiti Bridge

Now those are five pieces of garbage.

I have spoken. My post is right and just.

Any list for this that doesnt start with Life Of the Party is ruled ineligible per se.

Worst 5 of the top of my head:

Life of the Party

Push it Up

Silly Game

Da Da Da

Lion of Judah/Cinnamon Girl

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Noodled24 said:

thisisreece said:

Really? The 'Bad' album was more reactionary to 'Purple Rain', was it not? Jackson wanted to be dirty and gritty and 'bad' like Prince, resulting with songs like 'Dirty Diana' being 'Darling Nikki-lite'.

I think Bad was a calculated image change. Jackson wanted a "harder" image. But I think it was more to do with what he saw happening in black culture at the time, rather than being a direct result of what Prince did on Purple Rain.

But I think the song MNIP is Prince doing the same thing in his own way. There is even a line in the song "you must become a Prince before a king anyway". I'm not saying the whole symbol album. Just the song MNIP seems like an answer to "Bad".

So true. And listen to all the little gasps and grunts between every line of the verses in MNIP - very MJ. He really sounded like an imitator on that one. Luckily, the album went in a better direction...

TheEnglishGent said:

Cloreen Bacon Skin

Cloreen Bacon Skin doesn't deserve to be in this list. It's slightly funky, and funny as all hell.

My bottom five:

Purple And Gold

Jughead

The Wedding Feast

Push It Up

Graffiti Bridge

How could I have forgotten Pope? Not sure what to take out of the five now. Probably Push It Up or G Bridge. I could always have a bottom six, I guess.

I recommend putting on "Push It Up" and giving it a good listen.

I hated it when it came about, but in retrospect, I don't think it's that bad. It's just marred by the NPS / Rave era production, mainly the drums and the chants that sound too detached from the rest of the mix. The melody and the underlying groove are pretty good funk stuff though. I don't think it has the same lameness to it as some other tracks from the same time period as "Mad".

I don't get the wide-spread hate for Life "O" The Party. Can somebody explain it to me in at least somewhat rational terms? The production is really raw and combines elements from "Housequake" and "The Ball". As a piece of funk music from the 00s it sure kicks more ass than what he put on some of the successive albums ("Get On The Boat" sounded pretty damn stale in comparison).

Yeah - very enjoyable podcast, but some strange choices. "Tambourine"?!..."Tick Tick Bang"?!!

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Oh well. My 5 off the top of my head are...

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1. "The Latest Fashion" - so weak and limp-wristed - HATE IT!!

2. "Da Da Da"

3. "Mr Happy"

4. "Act of God"

5. "Big White Mansion"

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Honourable mentions - "Sleep Around", "Incense & candles", "Lemon Crush", "Money don't matter tonight", "The Morning papers", "Lion of Judah", "Resolution"...

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Oh, by the way, what's the song that ends the podcast? Is it a Prince outtake?

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novabrkr said:

I recommend putting on "Push It Up" and giving it a good listen.

I hated it when it came about, but in retrospect, I don't think it's that bad. It's just marred by the NPS / Rave era production, mainly the drums and the chants that sound too detached from the rest of the mix. The melody and the underlying groove are pretty good funk stuff though. I don't think it has the same lameness to it as some other tracks from the same time period as "Mad".

Glad you said that. I've always quite liked "Push it up". I never placed it in the same time period as Mad though. That song I placed as more of a come/gold outtake. I'm almost certain I owned the Deposition boot before NPS was released. Athough I know he pulled Mad back out the vaults around the time of NPS. ("Turn on the dirty switch and back up... far" - then you can hear him kind of beatboxing/exhailing mixed in with the guitar. Thats dope). You don't care for that song?

I don't get the wide-spread hate for Life "O" The Party. Can somebody explain it to me in at least somewhat rational terms? The production is really raw and combines elements from "Housequake" and "The Ball". As a piece of funk music from the 00s it sure kicks more ass than what he put on some of the successive albums ("Get On The Boat" sounded pretty damn stale in comparison).

To me. The intro kills it before it even starts. P's vocals sound forced. It's got some funk but it's got no decent hook. I can't find anything memorable in the song at all.

I just googled the lyrics and despite their lack of depth, there are some really funny lyrics in there. Perhaps and alternate version or a remix would have made the song more memorable.

25 years to life
The judge sentenced me to hard labor with a knife
Makin' cuts for y'all
Keepin' the party packed and wall to wall
I don't care what they say
"He don't play the hits no more
Plus I thought he was gay"

Thats a great little verse.

Lordy said:

Yeah - very enjoyable podcast, but some strange choices. "Tambourine"?!..."Tick Tick Bang"?!!

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Oh well. My 5 off the top of my head are...

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1. "The Latest Fashion" - so weak and limp-wristed - HATE IT!!

2. "Da Da Da"

3. "Mr Happy"

4. "Act of God"

5. "Big White Mansion"

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Honourable mentions - "Sleep Around", "Incense & candles", "Lemon Crush", "Money don't matter tonight", "The Morning papers", "Lion of Judah", "Resolution"...

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Oh, by the way, what's the song that ends the podcast? Is it a Prince outtake?

[Edited 1/15/15 10:00am]

The song at the end of the podcast is track 5 Some Kind of Beautiful [THE DANCE] from my 2nd album: https://michaeldean.bandc...inydayjams

I sampled Wendy & Lisa's Honeymoon Express.

Also you can download for free

Lake Minnetonka aka What I Learned From Prince -
28 Tracks of Purple Inspired music.

[Edited 1/15/15 11:06am]

Noodled24 said:

novabrkr said:

I recommend putting on "Push It Up" and giving it a good listen.

I hated it when it came about, but in retrospect, I don't think it's that bad. It's just marred by the NPS / Rave era production, mainly the drums and the chants that sound too detached from the rest of the mix. The melody and the underlying groove are pretty good funk stuff though. I don't think it has the same lameness to it as some other tracks from the same time period as "Mad".

Glad you said that. I've always quite liked "Push it up". I never placed it in the same time period as Mad though. That song I placed as more of a come/gold outtake. I'm almost certain I owned the Deposition boot before NPS was released. Athough I know he pulled Mad back out the vaults around the time of NPS. ("Turn on the dirty switch and back up... far" - then you can hear him kind of beatboxing/exhailing mixed in with the guitar. Thats dope). You don't care for that song?

I don't get the wide-spread hate for Life "O" The Party. Can somebody explain it to me in at least somewhat rational terms? The production is really raw and combines elements from "Housequake" and "The Ball". As a piece of funk music from the 00s it sure kicks more ass than what he put on some of the successive albums ("Get On The Boat" sounded pretty damn stale in comparison).

To me. The intro kills it before it even starts. P's vocals sound forced. It's got some funk but it's got no decent hook. I can't find anything memorable in the song at all.

I just googled the lyrics and despite their lack of depth, there are some really funny lyrics in there. Perhaps and alternate version or a remix would have made the song more memorable.

25 years to life
The judge sentenced me to hard labor with a knife
Makin' cuts for y'all
Keepin' the party packed and wall to wall
I don't care what they say
"He don't play the hits no more
Plus I thought he was gay"

Thats a great little verse.

True. I forgot that "Mad" is an earlier track. I tend to associate it with NPS, because I think I got it on tape around the time Crystal Ball and NPS were released.

I can say what I think is the worst piece of music Prince ever recorded: Glam Slam '91. I know it's an outtake, but everything about that track is just wrong.

^ From the "Dance with the devil boot"?... It's a guilty pleasure of mine. I've not heard it in years I'll have to dig out that CD. I love that sample from "love machine". I always (incorrectly) think of it as Gett off 91 because he uses the "everybody grab a body" line from what became "Gett off".

Hmm. I think I might have originally gotten it on the "Dance With The Devil" boot back in the day.

It combines elements from "Love Machine", "Gett Off" and "Escape" (never liked "Escape" either and in to me it might be his worst released track from the 1980s). I think the outtakes from this era are just some of the worst music he's ever done in general. The production is just so tinny and the melodies especially during the verses often sound like a kid could have come up with them. One of the guys in the podcast mentions "Round And Round" as one of the worst pieces of music Prince has ever done and I can see where he's coming from. Thankfully, Prince had enough good stuff that ended up on the albums, but when I listen to the outtakes from the period I just have to wonder why did he really even bother recording so much stuff in that vein. It's probably because he had Paisley Park records still to run and thought he needed to write more material for other artists.

Lordy said:

5. "Big White Mansion"

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Honourable mentions - "Sleep Around", "Incense & candles", "Lemon Crush", "Money don't matter tonight", "The Morning papers", "Lion of Judah", "Resolution"...

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novabrkr said:

Hmm. I think I might have originally gotten it on the "Dance With The Devil" boot back in the day.

It combines elements from "Love Machine", "Gett Off" and "Escape" (never liked "Escape" either and in to me it might be his worst released track from the 1980s). I think the outtakes from this era are just some of the worst music he's ever done in general. The production is just so tinny and the melodies especially during the verses often sound like a kid could have come up with them.

I think I know what you mean. I wonder if that's the way it was recorded or somebody tagging their leaks? PrinceV says GS91 was intended to promote the new GS club in mpls which makes sense. Something upbeat that uses the name of the club. I just geek out anytime Prince samples or references himself. I think this song is particularly interesting in that it's a branch in the evolution of "Gett off"

One of the guys in the podcast mentions "Round And Round" as one of the worst pieces of music Prince has ever done and I can see where he's coming from. Thankfully, Prince had enough good stuff that ended up on the albums, but when I listen to the outtakes from the period I just have to wonder why did he really even bother recording so much stuff in that vein. It's probably because he had Paisley Park records still to run and thought he needed to write more material for other artists.

I don't mind "Round and Round". It's nothing special, but it's a catchy little pop song. I remember someone once saying it's as close as we'd ever hear to a Prince/Jackson collaboration. Which is probably accurate. I think you're right about him recording a lot. They sound to me sparse and unfinished. Compared to how he usually lavishes tracks with multilayered instrumentation

SO here's my reasoning for my picks. Mr. Dean mentioned some of my comments, but here the 'unabridged' version. Hopefully others will follow suite and actually explain why they pick their bottom five. HOpefully it simply isn't more than "i just don't like it". Anywhoo....here you go:

#5: This pick is the epitome of overdoing a song. This is the bastard step-son of what was originally a good song. As far as I know, this is “3rd generation” crap. Things were just fine and dandy with My Summertime Thang, sung by Morris. Written by Prince, but sung byMorris. In fact, My Summertime Thang is to the movie Graffiti Bridge what If The Kid Can’t Make You Come was to the movie Purple Rain. My Summertime Thang is a vehicle to showcase Morris’ pimp swagger and game towards a girl, in this case, Aura. It works. But was shelved. Then you have The Latest Fashion – sung by Morris Day and the Time. Again, another song written by prince, with slightly different lyrics from what the final stink pile turned from the album proper. Yet, with this one, all unnecessary fluff is removed. Plus, the music is different. Not so
loud and wild. It has a more sinister/serious tone to it. Sung waaay better by Morris Day and just works. I’ve always imagined this version being played in Morris’ club in the movie instead of ‘Shake’. This version should have been included.

Instead, we get GB’s version of a song, and my #5 on my list: The Latest Fashion. It uses My Summertime Thang’s music, and the lyrics of The Latest Fashion (version 1) and mixes them both with added fluff that takes it over the top, making it a mockery of what it could have been with its stupid rap, with it’s apparent “battle” tone between Morris and The Kid and it just fails in every way. The song is so bad the scene it was attached to was edited out of the movie. Basically, it’s a song that in production morphed from Pimp, to Cool, to shit.

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#1 Everybody Loves Me – When silly goes wrong it goes real wrong. Let me be frank here…prince sounds…what’s the politically correct way to say this? Oh, that’s right…delayed. It’s not fun, it’s not Silly Ass Prince…it’s just plain dumb. No More Candy 4 U did it better and it was a fun song. It’s a short-bus song, plain and simple, and it belongs nowhere but singing lullabies to Purple and Gold when it can’t sleep. There, I said it.

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Dishonorable Mentions:

• · I Rock, Therefore I Am
• · Wedding Feast - barely a song, and embarrassing when it is.
• · Orgasm - though I know that it's not really a song.

molove said:

Lordy said:

Yeah - very enjoyable podcast, but some strange choices. "Tambourine"?!..."Tick Tick Bang"?!!

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Oh well. My 5 off the top of my head are...

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1. "The Latest Fashion" - so weak and limp-wristed - HATE IT!!

2. "Da Da Da"

3. "Mr Happy"

4. "Act of God"

5. "Big White Mansion"

.

Honourable mentions - "Sleep Around", "Incense & candles", "Lemon Crush", "Money don't matter tonight", "The Morning papers", "Lion of Judah", "Resolution"...

.

Oh, by the way, what's the song that ends the podcast? Is it a Prince outtake?

[Edited 1/15/15 10:00am]

The song at the end of the podcast is track 5 Some Kind of Beautiful [THE DANCE] from my 2nd album: https://michaeldean.bandc...inydayjams

I sampled Wendy & Lisa's Honeymoon Express.

Also you can download for free

Lake Minnetonka aka What I Learned From Prince -
28 Tracks of Purple Inspired music.

[Edited 1/15/15 11:06am]

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Nice one - I do like that tune - look forward to listening to the rest of your album.

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Cheers!