...According to Soundscan, with 10.9 millions copies scanned in the US during the 200/2014 era.

http://atrl.net/forums/sh...p?t=722811

It's an interesting piece of information, because it helps to built upon this, his actual catalog sales in this country.

What we knew so far :

2001. VERY BEST OF : 2.150.000

2001. RAINBOW CHILDREN : 160.000

2003. NEWS : 30.000

2004. MUSICOLOGY : 2.050.000

2006. 3121 : 550.000

ULTIMATE : 300.000 (239 k as of july 2012)

2007. PLANET EARTH : 250.000

LOTUS FLOWER : 575.000

2014. AOA : 90.000

2014. PLECTRUM 40.000

Others :

PURPLE RAIN : 1.100.000 (my estimations, 800 k for sure between 2004/2014)

Maybe about 500.000 k of 1999, 150 k of SOTT

RAVEUN2 was released on november 1999, so we may guess that it sold about 150.000 ex after 2000.

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I will try to determine what those other numbers are, based on the 1991/2006 list we already have. Maybe some albums, such as BATMAN, gained a boost in sales with the success of TDK. It would be great, even if rather unrealistic. If you want to help with your analysis, it would be great.

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RODSERLING said:

RAVEUN2 was released on november 1999, so we may guess that it sold about 150.000 ex after 2000.

Highly unlikely. It's not necessarily easy to get ahold of in soundscanned locations. Online outlets like Amazon and others, yes, but that project got dropped pretty fast and went out of print quickly.

Just out of curiosity, Rosderling, why are you so obsessed with sales? Every single post from you on here is about sales. Is that your background or do you have a job that has to do with sales? I'm really just curious, as I'm not into sales, which also means I don't give a damn how many copies AOA or PlectrumElectrum sell, and stuff like that. Thanks

Askani said:

RODSERLING said:

RAVEUN2 was released on november 1999, so we may guess that it sold about 150.000 ex after 2000.

Highly unlikely. It's not necessarily easy to get ahold of in soundscanned locations. Online outlets like Amazon and others, yes, but that project got dropped pretty fast and went out of print quickly.

RAVE was released on 9 november, so it spent 7 weeks on 1999 on the BB 200.

It charted another 8 weeks on the BB 200, and another week on rnb chart album. I don't know the exact chartrun, if someone can help. I would say 70.000 for sure during only the 2000 year.

If those are WORLD sales, Plectrum and AOA numbers are incorrect.

feeluupp said:

If those are WORLD sales, Plectrum and AOA numbers are incorrect.

Please, read the sentences in their entirety ! It's the first sentence of the topic !

RODSERLING said:

feeluupp said:

If those are WORLD sales, Plectrum and AOA numbers are incorrect.

Please, read the sentences in their entirety ! It's the first sentence of the topic !

RAVE was certififed GOLD by RIAA.

feeluupp said:

RODSERLING said:

Please, read the sentences in their entirety ! It's the first sentence of the topic !

RAVE was certififed GOLD by RIAA.

Yes, but he was released on 1999

Most of its sales came from that year

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mynameisnotsusan said:

Aint no way 1999 sold 500k since 2000 - maybe all the rest of the pre-2000 catalog combined - if anything The Very Best of and Ultimate would cannibalize back catalog sales.

Records were selling very well until 2003-4 or so. The demand for older records was still pretty high as well. That was the era when the record stores were full of remasters and reissues. Sure, Prince had no remasters or reissues, but just 500k for his entire back catalog for 15 years is a silly underestimation.

RODSERLING said:

Prince is the #10 best selling rnb act of the 2000/2014 era

AKA the 21st Century

feeluupp said:

Askani said:

feeluupp said:

RAVE was certififed GOLD by RIAA.

That just means they sent out 500,000 copies. that isn't the number of sales.

As of january 2006, RAVE sold 487.000, only according to Soundscan. At the time of the release, music club were about 10 % of total music sales, so RAVE has sold between 550.000 and 600.000 at least, before being out of print.

According to Calhoun Square in 2002, the album sold about 660.000 ex in the USA, maybe the total shipments.

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mynameisnotsusan said:

Aint no way 1999 sold 500k since 2000 - maybe all the rest of the pre-2000 catalog combined - if anything The Very Best of and Ultimate would cannibalize back catalog sales.

In my first post, I made the recap on some albums. There is something like 3.5 millions copies left !

So if 1999 didn't sold 500 k ex in the 21 st century, I don't know what he has been sold in this 3 millions, maybe essentially THE HITS ?

1999 is the only album (besides PR and best ofs) to have enter the top catalog album chart.

1999 sold 641.000 ex according to Soundscan between 1991 and 2005. So, it makes 40.000 ex a year. If that coefficient is applied to 2000/2014, it makes 600 k ex !

Of course sales have decreased in the last few years...But 500 k is i think a sure bet, not overestimated, when you consider there is 3.5 millions ex left unexplained.

According to SS, Between january and 2006 and september 2009 THE HITS 1 sold 33 k ex, THE HITS 2 sold 115 k

With the same coefficient, between 2000 and 2014 :

- THE HITS 1 sold about 200.000 ex

- THE HITS 2 sold about 500.000 ex

Sounds crazy, but it would explain where are those millions of unexplained sales.

Moreover THE HITS 1 AND 2 charted on the catalog charts.

I will post my estimations, albums by albums later this week, hoping it will cover the 10.9 millions figure.

If you have any more informations (chartrun for instance) , don't hesitate to share it !

Oh you FAMS, are at it again. Telling each other lies. Go on then.. I ain't gonna say nothing....

What are the real numbers if you set aside the greatest hits package, because it features no new music? And Musicology because it was forced on everybody that saw Prince live that year as part of the ticket price and counted as a sale regardless of the fact that they didn't choose to purchase. And Planet Earth was forced on unsuspecting readers of The Daily Mail in Europe and counted as a sale, even though most newpaper readers had no intention of purchasing a Prince album. LotusFlower was 3 cd's, one of which is a protoge album, but all count as an individual sale, so those numbers are severely misleading. I mean if you want to say Prince is an expert at finding loopholes and manipulating his sales numbers, I won't argue. But I love the fact that we are saying "R&B" act as a way of lowering the bar to make the numbers seem more impressive. Even then the best anyone can say is #10, which is not good given his level of fame. Seriously... a lot of these records have never seen a release in the R&B market, because they are bad and no label would bother.

But you guys just go ahead with your bullshit.

funksterr said:

Oh you FAMS, are at it again. Telling each other lies. Go on then.. I ain't gonna say nothing....

What are the real numbers if you set aside the greatest hits package, because it features no new music? And Musicology because it was forced on everybody that saw Prince live that year as part of the ticket price and counted as a sale regardless of the fact that they didn't choose to purchase. And Planet Earth was forced on unsuspecting readers of The Daily Mail in Europe and counted as a sale, even though most newpaper readers had no intention of purchasing a Prince album. LotusFlower was 3 cd's, one of which is a protoge album, but all count as an individual sale, so those numbers are severely misleading. I mean if you want to say Prince is an expert at finding loopholes and manipulating his sales numbers, I won't argue. But I love the fact that we are saying "R&B" act as a way of lowering the bar to make the numbers seem more impressive. Even then the best anyone can say is #10, which is not good given his level of fame. Seriously... a lot of these records have never seen a release in the R&B market, because they are bad and no label would bother.

But you guys just go ahead with your bullshit.

Blow it out of your ass. The numbers are the numbers. You do not sell out 50k seats at the Essence Fest if you have no RnB audience. Black audiences love P and AOA moved up to number 12 on the RnB charts. I want you and other naysayers to explain the staying power of AOA on the RnB charts with no promotion or radio airplay.

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

Oh you FAMS, are at it again. Telling each other lies. Go on then.. I ain't gonna say nothing....

What are the real numbers if you set aside the greatest hits package, because it features no new music? And Musicology because it was forced on everybody that saw Prince live that year as part of the ticket price and counted as a sale regardless of the fact that they didn't choose to purchase. And Planet Earth was forced on unsuspecting readers of The Daily Mail in Europe and counted as a sale, even though most newpaper readers had no intention of purchasing a Prince album. LotusFlower was 3 cd's, one of which is a protoge album, but all count as an individual sale, so those numbers are severely misleading. I mean if you want to say Prince is an expert at finding loopholes and manipulating his sales numbers, I won't argue. But I love the fact that we are saying "R&B" act as a way of lowering the bar to make the numbers seem more impressive. Even then the best anyone can say is #10, which is not good given his level of fame. Seriously... a lot of these records have never seen a release in the R&B market, because they are bad and no label would bother.

But you guys just go ahead with your bullshit.

Blow it out of your ass. The numbers are the numbers. You do not sell out 50k seats at the Essence Fest if you have no RnB audience. Black audiences love P and AOA moved up to number 12 on the RnB charts. I want you and other naysayers to explain the staying power of AOA on the RnB charts with no promotion or radio airplay.

Speaking of the Essence festival, Tevin Campbell was there this year, yet no reunion with Prince. Too bad.

When did I say he had no R&B audience? I have no idea how ticketing works at the Esence Festival, but I do know it's a nostalgia festival generally marketed toward middle aged black women. I always had the impression it was a day-pass event, in which case, people bought tickets to see many acts and then Prince was the headliner or something. But assuming 50k people bought Prince tickets then most certainly then paid looking for a Purple Rain experience, not because Prince has so many popular R&B albums since 2000. Nobody's ever heard of Mr Goodnight and There Will Never Be Another Like Me, lol.

And don't call me a Naysayer. I'm a Purple-Truther.

funksterr said:

Oh you FAMS, are at it again. Telling each other lies. Go on then.. I ain't gonna say nothing....

What are the real numbers if you set aside the greatest hits package, because it features no new music? And Musicology because it was forced on everybody that saw Prince live that year as part of the ticket price and counted as a sale regardless of the fact that they didn't choose to purchase. And Planet Earth was forced on unsuspecting readers of The Daily Mail in Europe and counted as a sale, even though most newpaper readers had no intention of purchasing a Prince album. LotusFlower was 3 cd's, one of which is a protoge album, but all count as an individual sale, so those numbers are severely misleading. I mean if you want to say Prince is an expert at finding loopholes and manipulating his sales numbers, I won't argue. But I love the fact that we are saying "R&B" act as a way of lowering the bar to make the numbers seem more impressive. Even then the best anyone can say is #10, which is not good given his level of fame. Seriously... a lot of these records have never seen a release in the R&B market, because they are bad and no label would bother.

But you guys just go ahead with your bullshit.

Go write to Billboard magazine, and explain them that, it's their numbers. And of course this numbers are not only true, but they are minimal sales.

Not every ticket concert was counted on Musicology for instance. Interestingly, there is about 350.000 tickets missing.

There was also music club, and during 2000/2004 they still represented 5 % of total music sales.

Prince has the right to release greatest hits, you made a silly assertion here.

Billboard surely regard Prince as an rnb artist just because he 's black. That's not the point. We've got the numbers, and it's great. To be #10 is good, when you know that :

- he never had any albums reeditions, contrary to MJ

- he never had a hit in the USA, besides CALL MY NAME

- he almost never play the game in promoting properly his material

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funksterr said:

And don't call me a Naysayer. I'm a Purple-Truther.

A truthsayer that is not only insulting, but that is negating true numbers and pure sales. An for your concern, PLANEAT EARTH was only released in stores in the USA, which is the question here.

Nobody knows Mr Goodnight ? lol

Nobody knows each individual track of the new Pink Floyd album, they got no hits at all. But it has already sold 2.4 millions worldwide.

RODSERLING said:

funksterr said:

And don't call me a Naysayer. I'm a Purple-Truther.

A truthsayer that is not only insulting, but that is negating true numbers and pure sales. An for your concern, PLANEAT EARTH was only released in stores in the USA, which is the question here.

Nobody knows Mr Goodnight ? lol

Nobody knows each individual track of the new Pink Floyd album, they got no hits at all. But it has already sold 2.4 millions worldwide.

One thing I know for sure. There is no such thing as "true numbers" or "pure sales". Nothing I said was untrue. I actually could have gone harder on some of the numbers you posted. I was being nice, by letting them slide. Why are you refering to Prince as an R&B act? To me that's the real insult. Prince is pop. To me you are only referring to him as R&B due to his racial heritage. I don't like it. Most of those albums feature next to nothing most would consider R&B.

funksterr said:

laurarichardson said:

Blow it out of your ass. The numbers are the numbers. You do not sell out 50k seats at the Essence Fest if you have no RnB audience. Black audiences love P and AOA moved up to number 12 on the RnB charts. I want you and other naysayers to explain the staying power of AOA on the RnB charts with no promotion or radio airplay.

Speaking of the Essence festival, Tevin Campbell was there this year, yet no reunion with Prince. Too bad.

When did I say he had no R&B audience? I have no idea how ticketing works at the Esence Festival, but I do know it's a nostalgia festival generally marketed toward middle aged black women. I always had the impression it was a day-pass event, in which case, people bought tickets to see many acts and then Prince was the headliner or something. But assuming 50k people bought Prince tickets then most certainly then paid looking for a Purple Rain experience, not because Prince has so many popular R&B albums since 2000. Nobody's ever heard of Mr Goodnight and There Will Never Be Another Like Me, lol.

And don't call me a Naysayer. I'm a Purple-Truther.

You are stating that the numbers are not accurate as if Prince could not be that popular with RnB audiences.

Well I am telling you he is and the tickets for his night at Essence was for him and his two opening acts. Janelle Monae and Nile Rogers do you think people were clamoring for those tickets to see Jannelle and Nile. Back in 2004 he was the first artist to sell out a complete night at the Fest and who care if it is middle age black woman we have all the money to spend so Prince is smart to have us as fans. He is the one laughing his ass off at the bank.

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

Speaking of the Essence festival, Tevin Campbell was there this year, yet no reunion with Prince. Too bad.

When did I say he had no R&B audience? I have no idea how ticketing works at the Esence Festival, but I do know it's a nostalgia festival generally marketed toward middle aged black women. I always had the impression it was a day-pass event, in which case, people bought tickets to see many acts and then Prince was the headliner or something. But assuming 50k people bought Prince tickets then most certainly then paid looking for a Purple Rain experience, not because Prince has so many popular R&B albums since 2000. Nobody's ever heard of Mr Goodnight and There Will Never Be Another Like Me, lol.

And don't call me a Naysayer. I'm a Purple-Truther.

You are stating that the numbers are not accurate as if Prince could not be that popular with RnB audiences.

Well I am telling you he is and the tickets for his night at Essence was for him and his two opening acts. Janelle Monae and Nile Rogers do you think people were clamoring for those tickets to see Jannelle and Nile. Back in 2004 he was the first artist to sell out a complete night at the Fest and who care if it is middle age black woman we have all the money to spend so Prince is smart to have us as fans. He is the one laughing his ass off at the bank.

I wasn't talking about you personally. Didn't know your race or anything. I have no issue with the Essence festival.

funksterr said:

RODSERLING said:

A truthsayer that is not only insulting, but that is negating true numbers and pure sales. An for your concern, PLANEAT EARTH was only released in stores in the USA, which is the question here.

Nobody knows Mr Goodnight ? lol

Nobody knows each individual track of the new Pink Floyd album, they got no hits at all. But it has already sold 2.4 millions worldwide.

One thing I know for sure. There is no such thing as "true numbers" or "pure sales". Nothing I said was untrue. I actually could have gone harder on some of the numbers you posted. I was being nice, by letting them slide. Why are you refering to Prince as an R&B act? To me that's the real insult. Prince is pop. To me you are only referring to him as R&B due to his racial heritage. I don't like it. Most of those albums feature next to nothing most would consider R&B.

The numbers I quoted are true sales, not shipments, so everything you said was indeed untrue.

Of course Prince is not only a rnb act. Billboard (yes, Billboard, and not me, learn to read before answering something) chose to refer to him as an rnb act, because, obviously, well, he's black. That is not shocking.

The matter here is that we've got numbers published, which is great. If they refered as Prince as a pop act, we wouldn't have those sales published, because he 's surely not on the top ten in this category. MJ is too, a pop/funk/rnb act. This is not insulting at all, neither to Prince, nor to MJ. I don't understand why you're caring so much abouth this, fact is that thanks to this we've got the soundscan numbers.

They could have refered to him as folk/country artist, for what I bother.