Aerogram said:

It's like people think Prince doesn't know the industry -- he's been studying it since high school and did some of the biggest deals in the industry

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LMAO. REM were handling ownership of their masters at the same time Prince was signing that ludicrous "$100 million deal" and then spent years bitching about it.

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Yeah, what a great student he was. Completely ignored the advide of his entourage because he wanted "the biggest deal" out there. Of course it was all theoretical and most of that $100 million never left WBR's bank account because Prince utterly failed to fulfill it. A year and a half later PPR was dead and buried, I doubt Prince ever received more than one of the five advances, and the rest of the contract was basically worthless too. Yeah, what a success.

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Let's compare: http://articles.latimes.c...arner-bros

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Representatives for R.E.M. and Warner refused to discuss the pact. But sources said the band will be paid a $10-million signing bonus plus a $20-million royalty advance on future sales of its six-album Warner catalog. The band is also guaranteed an estimated $10-million advance per album plus a blue-chip 24% royalty on the retail price of each record sold--about $2.50 per record.

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R.E.M's contract covers five albums of new material. Under the terms of the deal, ownership of the masters to those albums will revert to R.E.M. seven years after the contract ends. The band already had negotiated reversion of ownership rights to its current six-album Warner catalog.

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But you go on to say:

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Albums today are barely worth your time except as promotion for your brand so you can tour and marchnadize,

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Yeah, the real money is in coffee mugs.

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because music has become this thing you no longer need to buy. You can rent it for a fraction of the price, and little goes to the artist.

Under the best of circumstances, if Prince was really desperate, he could make his next release a Diamond and Pearls and completely whore himself and his talent to sell, say, a million copy. Two if you're really drinking the purple koolaid.

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Ed Sheeran sold one million copies of his album IN THE UK. Note that he was also the most streamed artist in the UK.

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Then what? What does he care, he's already worth over 200 million dollars.

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He isn't. That's utter nonsense.

Adorecream said:

databank said:

Superconductor indeed. It could have bore the names "Prince and Andy Allo" on the cover and not crediting that way was purely a matter of marketing decisions. It was by all means a collaborative efforts between 2 artists no matter who they finally decided to give the official credit to. We ain't gonna have this ridiculous debate about Prince not singing or the name on the cover. It exists, it's an album and it shan't be ignored as a part of P's official canon.

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Well since you use that methodology, the following are all also Prince albums, The Time, What Time is it, Vanity 6, Ice Cream Castles, The Glamorous life, The Family, Romance 1600, Jill Jones, Sheila E, Madhouse 8, Madhouse 16. Madhouse 24, Ingrid Chavez, Taja Sevelle, Carmen Electra, Children of the sun, Exodus, Goldnigga, The Voice, Smell my finger, The Cinderella Theory, Time waits for no one, The War, High, 1-800 New funk, GCS 2000, Come 2 my house, Milk and Honey, Apollonia 6, Pandemonium, Tony Le Mans, and no doubt a few others I have missed out.

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Nonsense. Prince had virtually nothing to do with some of the albums on your list. Several others, however, are EVIDENTLY Prince albums indeed. Richard Bachman novels are Stephen King novels, too, by the way

Trust those who know their textbook on such matters, there really is no need to pretend knowing about stuff when one doesn't (your list above shows you don't know much about the side projects). I don't know a thing about sports or mathematics, I ain't ashamed of saying it

BartVanHemelen said:

Aerogram said:

It's like people think Prince doesn't know the industry -- he's been studying it since high school and did some of the biggest deals in the industry

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LMAO. REM were handling ownership of their masters at the same time Prince was signing that ludicrous "$100 million deal" and then spent years bitching about it.

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Yeah, what a great student he was. Completely ignored the advide of his entourage because he wanted "the biggest deal" out there. Of course it was all theoretical and most of that $100 million never left WBR's bank account because Prince utterly failed to fulfill it. A year and a half later PPR was dead and buried, I doubt Prince ever received more than one of the five advances, and the rest of the contract was basically worthless too. Yeah, what a success.

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Let's compare: http://articles.latimes.c...arner-bros

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Ed Sheeran sold one million copies of his album IN THE UK. Note that he was also the most streamed artist in the UK.

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Then what? What does he care, he's already worth over 200 million dollars.

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He isn't. That's utter nonsense.

We've talked about that deal ad nauseum. It was Prince's Big Mistake, he was clearly over optimistic and he regretted signing it bitterly.

That was 20 years ago and his career spans over 35 years now. He has signed many other deals. He's made many mistakes, all well documented, but as you can see he's still around, still signing deals, still landing records in the top 10, still getting rave reviews, still is a massive draw live...

You're the guy that has been predicting his demise for 15 years. From the mighty seat from which you judge and talk down, do you stop and think: "Hey, that MF did better than I thought he would"?

Because he did. Now the industry he obviously hates is in shambles, there are only a few Ed Sheerans out there and even Taylor Swift feels shortchanged, but don't let that stop you from thinking it's all very simple and Prince did it wrong again, 35 years into his career at age 55.

Coffee mugs? You know record sales at an all time low in the US, touring, merchandising and advertising deals are other ways to derive revenues, because less and less of it comes from the record industry.

As for you knowing for sure the state of his finances, you always did seem to think your hunch was a reality. I also suspect the number is inflated but you've been announcing his financial ruin for years, as if you knew his bank account balance. You don't, so stop overstating your knowledge.

On the topic of "4 years wasted" - - - I have to say that I tried to get into Plectrum and also the AOA album - to really no avail .... and thought the same thing ....

on some level - the album is getting some critical "good press" - but i chalk that up to - the fact that music today kinda sucketh ...

I mean plectrum to me is unlistenable ....

AOA has a nice start .... and a nice finish .... but most of it is so blah for 4 years .... wow .... most of it sounds to me like "emancipation-lyte" ... i feel really sorry for folks that think that this is a "Great prince album" ... i remember the days when he would have a "monumental release" ....

ColAngus said:

On the topic of "4 years wasted" - - - I have to say that I tried to get into Plectrum and also the AOA album - to really no avail .... and thought the same thing ....

on some level - the album is getting some critical "good press" - but i chalk that up to - the fact that music today kinda sucketh ...

I mean plectrum to me is unlistenable ....

AOA has a nice start .... and a nice finish .... but most of it is so blah for 4 years .... wow .... most of it sounds to me like "emancipation-lyte" ... i feel really sorry for folks that think that this is a "Great prince album" ... i remember the days when he would have a "monumental release" ....

It's a twisted logic: some people have pleasure listening to records and you don't, and you feel sorry for them having pleasure when you don't? I say they're the lucky ones and they should be sorry for you because in the end they're having a ball and you don't

Just curious - how is Prince being worth over 200 million dollars utter nonsense when various internet sources including Forbes and Celebrity Net Worth have him listed at 250 or 300 million dollars in net worth?

BartVanHemelen said:

Aerogram said:

It's like people think Prince doesn't know the industry -- he's been studying it since high school and did some of the biggest deals in the industry

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LMAO. REM were handling ownership of their masters at the same time Prince was signing that ludicrous "$100 million deal" and then spent years bitching about it.

.

Yeah, what a great student he was. Completely ignored the advide of his entourage because he wanted "the biggest deal" out there. Of course it was all theoretical and most of that $100 million never left WBR's bank account because Prince utterly failed to fulfill it. A year and a half later PPR was dead and buried, I doubt Prince ever received more than one of the five advances, and the rest of the contract was basically worthless too. Yeah, what a success.

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Let's compare: http://articles.latimes.c...arner-bros

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Ed Sheeran sold one million copies of his album IN THE UK. Note that he was also the most streamed artist in the UK.

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Then what? What does he care, he's already worth over 200 million dollars.

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He isn't. That's utter nonsense.

Aerogram said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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He isn't. That's utter nonsense.

We've talked about that deal ad nauseum. It was Prince's Big Mistake, he was clearly over optimistic and he regretted signing it bitterly.

That was 20 years ago and his career spans over 35 years now. He has signed many other deals. He's made many mistakes, all well documented, but as you can see he's still around, still signing deals, still landing records in the top 10, still getting rave reviews, still is a massive draw live...

You're the guy that has been predicting his demise for 15 years. From the mighty seat from which you judge and talk down, do you stop and think: "Hey, that MF did better than I thought he would"?

Because he did. Now the industry he obviously hates is in shambles, there are only a few Ed Sheerans out there and even Taylor Swift feels shortchanged, but don't let that stop you from thinking it's all very simple and Prince did it wrong again, 35 years into his career at age 55.

Coffee mugs? You know record sales at an all time low in the US, touring, merchandising and advertising deals are other ways to derive revenues, because less and less of it comes from the record industry.

As for you knowing for sure the state of his finances, you always did seem to think your hunch was a reality. I also suspect the number is inflated but you've been announcing his financial ruin for years, as if you knew his bank account balance. You don't, so stop overstating your knowledge.

Well said.

After that sellout foolishness he just released, I could care less if he ever releases another new album.

ColAngus said:

On the topic of "4 years wasted" - - - I have to say that I tried to get into Plectrum and also the AOA album - to really no avail .... and thought the same thing ....

on some level - the album is getting some critical "good press" - but i chalk that up to - the fact that music today kinda sucketh ...

I mean plectrum to me is unlistenable ....

AOA has a nice start .... and a nice finish .... but most of it is so blah for 4 years .... wow .... most of it sounds to me like "emancipation-lyte" ... i feel really sorry for folks that think that this is a "Great prince album" ... i remember the days when he would have a "monumental release" ....

Dude, Art Official Age is way better produced than Emancipation -- you should know that for someone feels sorry for others.

I didnt mean to imply that i liked emancipation ....

and I do like some new music .... just was listening to Simple Minds latest new album ...

its just ... sorry ... Prince has lost it .... i fear ...

Reading through this thread makes turn it louder, "Was it good 4 u? Was I what u wanted me 2 b?"

An artist needs inspiration and Prince's inspirations have changed with time. He can't satify everyone. I'm enjoying the ride along, as always. AOA and PE didn't satisfy every hope of mine but it was more than I deserved and there's been some surprise singles since 20Ten. Groovy Potential and Rock & Roll Love Affair (Remix 7) are classics to me.

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"Lovesex... that's my jam..."

I'd like to point out that between 20Ten and Art Official Age/Plectrum that there was a bunch of music released, tv appearances, concerts (tours), etc. Yes, there was 4 years between albums, but there was a slew of Prince stuff going on. The 3rdeyegirl era is roughly in it's 3rd year.