Graycap23 said:

paulludvig said:

If Prince had relased BM after 14 years, half of the org would say it's terrible - ("where's the song writing"/"what's up with the mumbling"/"bad mixing"). The other half would say the album is great, but only thanks to input by ?love/Jesse Johnson/etc ("they probably wrote the whole album") or having Alan Leeds on board telling Prince straight etc.

Yep.

Yep II

KingSausage said:

The Slate review of Black Messiah is right on. You people just can't recognize the masterpiece right in front of your faces. http://www.slate.com/arti...iewed.html

Ummm.. no. People are so quick to call their fanboy's albums masterpieces, when the reality is masterpieces come along very rarely, and this isn't one. The last "masterpiece" masterpiece in the neo-soul category (although it's not really neo-soul) is Meshel's Theworldhasmademethemanofmydreams. I even like her new album a lot better than BM if Im being honest and I dont even consider that among her best of her last 3 albums.

KingSausage said:

1725topp said:

What's more amazing to me is that after fourteen years, every song on Black Messiah sounds the same, and each of those songs sound like outtakes of Voodoo or outtakes of Brown Sugar. It's difficult to say what a Prince album would be if he only released a record every fourteen years, but it's safe to say that not every song on the album would not sound the same. And, I doubt that it would sound exactly like the other one did fourteen years ago.

They don't come close to sounding the same. Come on. That's hyperbole. You can't tell Ain't That Easy from 1000 Deaths from The Charade from Really Love from Another Life etc? Really? Nonsense.

I continue to be amazed that people even compare a Prince disc to a D'Angelo disc. Sure, there are some obvious comparisons to be made, but not which one is "better". I like both, and for different reasons. Prince's shit, in this case, AOA, makes me want to groove. Snap my fingers. Bob my head, sing along. He always includes something that makes you think and go, "damn". It makes me feel alive. D'Angelo, and this goes for pretty much all of his releases, including Black Messiah, makes me want to spark one up, get lit, and sit back and listen. It's never D'Angelos's lyrics, it's how he puts his shit together. Sounds like everything he does, he does while extrememly high. And I like it because of that. This constant bickering about who's better, to me, is kind of ridiculous. Why the fuck can't you just like both without the ridiculous comparisons?

lezama said:

nobody has answered the question right. If prince released an album every 14 years, in just another 6 years we'd get an album with a track list of

Controversy

Sexuality

Do Me, Baby

Private Joy

Ronnie, Talk to Russia

Let's WOrk

Annie Christaian

Jack U Off

And in another 30 years we'd get Purple Rain.

How could anyone think that would be better?

alandail said:

nobody has answered the question right. If prince released an album every 14 years, in just another 6 years we'd get an album with a track list of

Controversy

Sexuality

Do Me, Baby

Private Joy

Ronnie, Talk to Russia

Let's WOrk

Annie Christaian

Jack U Off

And in another 30 years we'd get Purple Rain.

How could anyone think that would be better?

>

We'd get nothing from that tracklist!

Prince would most likely jettison all of those songs in favor of better songs he would've concocted as time passed.

And D'Angelo is a slow worker, but he doesn't wait 14 years between each album. It was five years between albums one and two. he was working on album 3 a year after album two before life interrupted.

paulludvig said:

If Prince had relased BM after 14 years, half of the org would say it's terrible - ("where's the song writing"/"what's up with the mumbling"/"bad mixing"). The other half would say the album is great, but only thanks to input by ?love/Jesse Johnson/etc ("they probably wrote the whole album") or having Alan Leeds on board telling Prince straight etc.

Not to mention ripping him a new one over all the religious references.

Aerogram said:

What would the tracklists be?

How much would you hurt from the songs he didn't officially release?

I have no clue what he would choose to release but I'm mighty glad he follows his own vision and I think we would miss out on a lot if he didn't.

KingSausage said:

The Slate review of Black Messiah is right on. You people just can't recognize the masterpiece right in front of your faces. http://www.slate.com/arti...iewed.html

Wow So D'Angelo could release the best Rock'n Roll album for years if he wanted to and the reviewer hears McCartney all over BM. I'm speechless.

It's a nice album. I quite enjoy it. But there is absolutely nothing groundbrealing on it. There is a "There is a riot going on" obsession all over BM. But D'Angelo ain't no Sly.

It is nice to have D'Angelo back but he does not have even one tune that will remain for decades like Sly, Stevie and P have.

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Aerogram said:

What would the tracklists be?

How much would you hurt from the songs he didn't officially release?

Well, considering what Prince accomplished in the 14 year period after his second album, he would definitely come stronger than D'Angelo did. BM is laregely a disappointment. A tracklist? Shit, Prince would definitely hit us with a multi-disc set that went in a whole lotta directions. D'angelo is talented and somewhat influenced by Prince, but he ain't, nor will he ever be Prince.

KingSausage said:

1725topp said:

What's more amazing to me is that after fourteen years, every song on Black Messiah sounds the same, and each of those songs sound like outtakes of Voodoo or outtakes of Brown Sugar. It's difficult to say what a Prince album would be if he only released a record every fourteen years, but it's safe to say that every song on the album would not sound the same. And, I doubt that it would sound exactly like the other one did fourteen years ago.

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helloooo i thought i was the only one who felt that way black messiah sucks its nothing like the hype everybody giving it 14 years and it sounds dated and like something left off the voodoo cd. i would seriously recommend he just apply 4 prince band and stop boring me with prince wanna be music

paulludvig said:

If Prince had relased BM after 14 years, half of the org would say it's terrible - ("where's the song writing"/"what's up with the mumbling"/"bad mixing"). The other half would say the album is great, but only thanks to input by ?love/Jesse Johnson/etc ("they probably wrote the whole album") or having Alan Leeds on board telling Prince straight etc.

Or they'd say, "Weird, he sounds a lot like D'Angelo."

paulludvig said:

If Prince had relased BM after 14 years, half of the org would say it's terrible - ("where's the song writing"/"what's up with the mumbling"/"bad mixing"). The other half would say the album is great, but only thanks to input by ?love/Jesse Johnson/etc ("they probably wrote the whole album") or having Alan Leeds on board telling Prince straight etc.

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how come your image of the org doesn't include the large contingent of people who like some of prince's newer stuff?

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if prince released black messiah, i'd think it was awesome and i'd be thrilled to show my friends, 'see?! see?! My favourite artist is still making good/unique stuff!'

cbarnes3121 said:

1725topp said:

What's more amazing to me is that after fourteen years, every song on Black Messiah sounds the same, and each of those songs sound like outtakes of Voodoo or outtakes of Brown Sugar. It's difficult to say what a Prince album would be if he only released a record every fourteen years, but it's safe to say that every song on the album would not sound the same. And, I doubt that it would sound exactly like the other one did fourteen years ago.

[Edited 12/15/14 19:50pm]

helloooo i thought i was the only one who felt that way black messiah sucks its nothing like the hype everybody giving it 14 years and it sounds dated and like something left off the voodoo cd. i would seriously recommend he just apply 4 prince band and stop boring me with prince wanna be music

It is a nice album but nothing groundbreaking for sure. It is a proper musical effort though. But I agree his grooves are pretty much always using the same tricks.

IlLike D'Angelo but I could never consider him as great as Stevie, Sly or Prince.

1. It's likely that D'Angelo would evolve more in 14 years if he actually had an output every year. He knows he can't change his style too much after Voodoo. It had to be just different enough to sound like a good follow up.

2. Saying that Prince would release a purple masterpiece just because of the time invested in it, is just assumption. The fact is that Prince has always been able too make great songs, but not always been able to make great albums. He would probably put 13 years of work in the vault, and release 1 pretty good album with a little bit schizo mix of tracks.


Also if you release often, you'll get feedback often, you'll change along with feedback.

With no release, you'll get no feedback, you'll easily get a bit stuck where you were. D'angelo did the smartest move ever. He changed just about enough to make it sound like a smart followup.

I would rather have 14 albums a year from Prince.

Rebeljuice said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Rebeljuice said:

I would rather have 14 albums a year from Prince.

Hell yeah!

Me 3.

Funny...I was playing this in the car last night (Really Love was playing) and my wife asked "is this the new D'Angelo? Sounds like Brown Sugar." I thought it was an interesting, unsolicited opinion, because after listening to it for a few days, I've come to the conclusion that it's a nice listen, but kinda sounds like they are songs that could easily be included and fit perfectly on "Voodoo", or they were songs he created during that period, updated them a bit, and released them 14 years later.

Not saying that it isn't good, I just don't see this as being a masterpiece, or even a step forward from Voodoo.

1725topp said:

KingSausage said:

1725topp said: They don't come close to sounding the same. Come on. That's hyperbole. You can't tell Ain't That Easy from 1000 Deaths from The Charade from Really Love from Another Life etc? Really? Nonsense.

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Nope...not hyperbole...I can't distinguish one song from the other. It's all the same D'Angelo one-trick pony routine. He writes two different types of songs with the same changes or progressions in the exact same spots. When Brown Sugar was released, I loved it. Then, came Voodoo, which was somewhat cool but sounded like outtakes of Brown Sugar. And, now, Black Messiah sounds like what was left on the cutting room floor. Maybe in another fourteen years he will finally write something that I've never heard by him. Until then, he's just a great talent with no real direction and no variety or diversity in his writing. At the core, D'Angelo is a R&B performer who tries to sprinkle funk and rock in his meal, but they are always sprinkled the same way and in the same amount. Not one time have I ever listened to a D'Angelo song and thought, "Damn, I didn't know you could do that" because it's never different. His pie chart is just too one-dimensional for my tastes.

Voodoo sounded like outtakes of Brown Sugar? I DON'T THINK SO! Like Nine Inch Nails' Downward Spiral and The Fragile albums, Brown Sugar sounds like a less polished version of Voodoo. And if you can listen to those three studio tricks in Sugah Daddy and think it's the same sprinkling, then hon, you need to quit smoking, because your taste buds have been DUUUUUULLLLED by your ego.

Reading these comments make me sad. Because it's clear that the people making these comments don't know much about either D'Angelo or Prince. I haz a sad.

TASKAE said:

Reading these comments make me sad. Because it's clear that the people making these comments don't know much about either D'Angelo or Prince. I haz a sad.

Seems that way.

If you asked every orger to list their ideal playlist for a 14 year time span they would be WILDLY different meaning tons of fans' fav songs would never see the light of the day. I would rather have Prince release everything and let me sift out the gems that appeal to my personal taste.

Prince fans were impatient after 4 years of no releases can't imagine them waiting that long for a release from Prince

[Edited 12/19/14 16:29pm]

1725topp said:

KingSausage said:

1725topp said: They don't come close to sounding the same. Come on. That's hyperbole. You can't tell Ain't That Easy from 1000 Deaths from The Charade from Really Love from Another Life etc? Really? Nonsense.

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Nope...not hyperbole...I can't distinguish one song from the other. It's all the same D'Angelo one-trick pony routine. He writes two different types of songs with the same changes or progressions in the exact same spots. When Brown Sugar was released, I loved it. Then, came Voodoo, which was somewhat cool but sounded like outtakes of Brown Sugar. And, now, Black Messiah sounds like what was left on the cutting room floor. Maybe in another fourteen years he will finally write something that I've never heard by him. Until then, he's just a great talent with no real direction and no variety or diversity in his writing. At the core, D'Angelo is a R&B performer who tries to sprinkle funk and rock in his meal, but they are always sprinkled the same way and in the same amount. Not one time have I ever listened to a D'Angelo song and thought, "Damn, I didn't know you could do that" because it's never different. His pie chart is just too one-dimensional for my tastes.

I think I know what you mean. Compared to Prince whose styles run the gamut D'Angelo may sound like he operates in a narrow band. BM however, while immediately identified as D'Angelo is quite different than his previous works. Its just deeper in the mix IMHO

[Edited 12/19/14 17:17pm]

2funkE said:

1725topp said:

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Nope...not hyperbole...I can't distinguish one song from the other. It's all the same D'Angelo one-trick pony routine. He writes two different types of songs with the same changes or progressions in the exact same spots. When Brown Sugar was released, I loved it. Then, came Voodoo, which was somewhat cool but sounded like outtakes of Brown Sugar. And, now, Black Messiah sounds like what was left on the cutting room floor. Maybe in another fourteen years he will finally write something that I've never heard by him. Until then, he's just a great talent with no real direction and no variety or diversity in his writing. At the core, D'Angelo is a R&B performer who tries to sprinkle funk and rock in his meal, but they are always sprinkled the same way and in the same amount. Not one time have I ever listened to a D'Angelo song and thought, "Damn, I didn't know you could do that" because it's never different. His pie chart is just too one-dimensional for my tastes.

I think I know what you mean. Compared to Prince whose styles run the gamut D'Angelo may sound like he operates in a narrow band. BM however, while immediately identified as D'Angelo is quite different than his previous works. Its just deeper in the mix IMHO

[Edited 12/19/14 17:17pm]

Seriously? Funkadelic had entire albums that sounded pretty much like they were following the same format. So did just about every other 70s funk/groove band. I mean, I hate to be the harbinger of reality, but if Black Messiah sounds the same, it's no different than the music mentioned above.