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BartVanHemelen

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Black Music Research Journal : "Prince, Miles, and Maceo: Horns, Masculinity, and the Anxiety of Influence"

Not a new book, but an article in Black Music Research Journal (Volume 33, Number 2, Fall 2013 -- pp. 117-150 | 10.1353/bmr.2013.0010): "Prince, Miles, and Maceo: Horns, Masculinity, and the Anxiety of Influence", by Griffin Woodworth.

http://muse.jhu.edu/login...worth.html

In lieu of an abstract, here is a brief excerpt of the content:

It is New Year’s Eve of 1987; Prince is performing his Sign ‘O’ The Times stage show on the new soundstage of his recently completed recording complex, Paisley Park. The event, a two-hundred-dollar-a-plate benefit for a local charity, is one of only a handful of occasions when Prince will perform this show in America (having done his Sign ‘O’ the Times tour in Europe during the summer of 1987, Prince elected not to mount an American leg of the tour). Nonetheless, the night will be remembered primarily as the only time that Prince and Miles Davis performed together, the zenith of their on-again, off-again collaboration (Nilsen 1999, 251). Even though he is performing within a framework completely controlled by Prince—Prince’s song, his stage show, his band, even his own building—Miles Davis’s presence shifts the center of gravity for the short time he is onstage.

Davis takes the stage only once, during a half-hour extended jam on the song “Beautiful Night,” and the two artists have a tense interaction. Davis begins tentatively: he strolls on without introduction and begins getting a feel for the groove (a harmonically static D-dorian vamp) by playing and repeating a simple two-bar motive, little more than the flat seventh, fifth, and root. Prince stands downstage, facing away from the audience, his attention focused on his band. Davis paces back and forth across the upstage space between Prince and the band, his horn and eyes angled inscrutably downward. After a twelve-bar elaboration of his initial motive, Davis starts exploring, trilling in his middle register before breaking out some high notes, allowing a few to sound dirty and cracked as he pushes toward a breakthrough.

Throughout their time onstage together, Prince seems to lack the patience required to allow Davis to explore the groove and develop an interesting solo. Just as Davis begins pushing into his upper register, Prince calls an audible, cuing a six-beat turnaround—one of several prearranged riffs that the band plays on Prince’s cue—that interrupts the development of Davis’s solo. Davis is silent for the next six bars, then reenters with a more aggressive version of his first motive, shifted off the beat and played at a higher intensity, full of cracked notes. Two bars later Prince cues a single “hit” on the downbeat of a measure (a trick that he adapted years earlier from James Brown’s live show); three bars after that Prince again cues the six-bar turnaround. This time Davis enters hard on the heels of the turnaround, playing the most aggressive phrase of his solo, sixteenth-note runs that thrust upward and then double back. But after four bars of what could be a spectacular display by Davis, Prince cues another down-beat “hit” and Davis breaks off his sixteenth-note motion, returning to his original motive, during which Prince again cues the turnaround.

Prince is hyperkinetic, cuing his band to play more hits and turnarounds during Davis’s solo: first one, then a double, then a quadruple interrupt the old lion’s melodic exploration. This stop-start interaction eventually turns into a call-and-response between the two men, and they trade two- and four-beat riffs back and forth (starting at 7:38) for sixteen bars before returning to their unspoken struggle. When Davis tries to play longer phrases that build momentum slowly, or leaves one of his trademark pauses, Prince invariably cues the band to do something. At one point, it seems clear that Prince has disrupted Davis in the middle of an interesting idea: the trumpeter reacts by peeling off a high squeak, dropping the horn momentarily from his lips and giving Prince a curt nod (at 8:49). Davis’s solo, which began roughly five and a half minutes into the song, is over by nine minutes and twenty seconds, as Prince thanks the old lion and Davis walks briskly offstage, where, according to Prince’s manager Alan Leeds, he announced, “‘That little motherfucker tried to set me up!’” (Cole 2005a).

This is from the same author as the dissertation I reported on before: http://prince.org/msg/7/408847

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Reply #1 posted 07/15/14 3:05am

FunkDr

Interesting !

I always thought Prince cuing the first turn around was to help disguise some whistling feedback which had just started and which could have disturbed Miles' groove - Prince wanting any feedback to be blocked by his band, rather than having (what could have been prolonged) feedback whistling all over Miles' playing ??

After that, may be Prince / they liked the interplay and P wanted to show Miles his band leadership chops and how tight the band was ??? Either way, I find it fascinating watching - like they are checking each other out live on stage !

[Edited 7/15/14 3:07am]

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Reply #2 posted 07/15/14 3:16am

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FunkDr said:

Interesting !

I always thought Prince cuing the first turn around was to help disguise some whistling feedback which had just started and which could have disturbed Miles' groove - Prince wanting any feedback to be blocked by his band, rather than having (what could have been prolonged) feedback whistling all over Miles' playing ??

After that, may be Prince / they liked the interplay and P wanted to show Miles his band leadership chops and how tight the band was ??? Either way, I find it fascinating watching - like they are checking each other out live on stage !

[Edited 7/15/14 3:07am]

Fascinating counterpoint. There is no shortage of stories showing Prince in a bad light as a bandleader -- as usual being a control freak of the highest order. Anyone knows if Miles was roughly the same -- sure enough the real inspiration for bandleading (JB) was notoriously draconian.

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Reply #3 posted 07/15/14 4:18am

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BartVanHemelen said:

Not a new book, but an article in Black Music Research Journal (Volume 33, Number 2, Fall 2013 -- pp. 117-150 | 10.1353/bmr.2013.0010): "Prince, Miles, and Maceo: Horns, Masculinity, and the Anxiety of Influence", by Griffin Woodworth.

http://muse.jhu.edu/login...worth.html

In lieu of an abstract, here is a brief excerpt of the content:

It is New Year’s Eve of 1987; Prince is performing his Sign ‘O’ The Times stage show on the new soundstage of his recently completed recording complex, Paisley Park. The event, a two-hundred-dollar-a-plate benefit for a local charity, is one of only a handful of occasions when Prince will perform this show in America (having done his Sign ‘O’ the Times tour in Europe during the summer of 1987, Prince elected not to mount an American leg of the tour). Nonetheless, the night will be remembered primarily as the only time that Prince and Miles Davis performed together, the zenith of their on-again, off-again collaboration (Nilsen 1999, 251). Even though he is performing within a framework completely controlled by Prince—Prince’s song, his stage show, his band, even his own building—Miles Davis’s presence shifts the center of gravity for the short time he is onstage.

Davis takes the stage only once, during a half-hour extended jam on the song “Beautiful Night,” and the two artists have a tense interaction. Davis begins tentatively: he strolls on without introduction and begins getting a feel for the groove (a harmonically static D-dorian vamp) by playing and repeating a simple two-bar motive, little more than the flat seventh, fifth, and root. Prince stands downstage, facing away from the audience, his attention focused on his band. Davis paces back and forth across the upstage space between Prince and the band, his horn and eyes angled inscrutably downward. After a twelve-bar elaboration of his initial motive, Davis starts exploring, trilling in his middle register before breaking out some high notes, allowing a few to sound dirty and cracked as he pushes toward a breakthrough.

Throughout their time onstage together, Prince seems to lack the patience required to allow Davis to explore the groove and develop an interesting solo. Just as Davis begins pushing into his upper register, Prince calls an audible, cuing a six-beat turnaround—one of several prearranged riffs that the band plays on Prince’s cue—that interrupts the development of Davis’s solo. Davis is silent for the next six bars, then reenters with a more aggressive version of his first motive, shifted off the beat and played at a higher intensity, full of cracked notes. Two bars later Prince cues a single “hit” on the downbeat of a measure (a trick that he adapted years earlier from James Brown’s live show); three bars after that Prince again cues the six-bar turnaround. This time Davis enters hard on the heels of the turnaround, playing the most aggressive phrase of his solo, sixteenth-note runs that thrust upward and then double back. But after four bars of what could be a spectacular display by Davis, Prince cues another down-beat “hit” and Davis breaks off his sixteenth-note motion, returning to his original motive, during which Prince again cues the turnaround.

Prince is hyperkinetic, cuing his band to play more hits and turnarounds during Davis’s solo: first one, then a double, then a quadruple interrupt the old lion’s melodic exploration. This stop-start interaction eventually turns into a call-and-response between the two men, and they trade two- and four-beat riffs back and forth (starting at 7:38) for sixteen bars before returning to their unspoken struggle. When Davis tries to play longer phrases that build momentum slowly, or leaves one of his trademark pauses, Prince invariably cues the band to do something. At one point, it seems clear that Prince has disrupted Davis in the middle of an interesting idea: the trumpeter reacts by peeling off a high squeak, dropping the horn momentarily from his lips and giving Prince a curt nod (at 8:49). Davis’s solo, which began roughly five and a half minutes into the song, is over by nine minutes and twenty seconds, as Prince thanks the old lion and Davis walks briskly offstage, where, according to Prince’s manager Alan Leeds, he announced, “‘That little motherfucker tried to set me up!’” (Cole 2005a).

This is from the same author as the dissertation I reported on before: http://prince.org/msg/7/408847

Thanks for the excerpt and link, Bart! Interesting read.

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Reply #4 posted 07/15/14 7:29am

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Reminds me of when prince set up Sting and Ron Woods during the Parade show by giving instructions they wouldn't understand to the band. I didn't think he'd dare 2 do that with Miles, though...

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Reply #5 posted 07/15/14 7:45am

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GREAT ARTICLE!

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Reply #6 posted 07/15/14 12:03pm

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How sad that Prince had to set up other famous guest musicians just because he is afraid to be upstaged by them. Pathetic, says a lot about his ego and his insecurities. A shame, as he is a very talented musician and should not be afraid to be upstaged.
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Reply #7 posted 07/15/14 12:29pm

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Shame that not much apparent studio collaboration with Miles took place. Having seen the footage from NYE '87 it would have been interesting to hear where Miles would have taken his solo.

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Reply #8 posted 07/15/14 5:41pm

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fbueller said:

Shame that not much apparent studio collaboration with Miles took place. Having seen the footage from NYE '87 it would have been interesting to hear where Miles would have taken his solo.

Wouldn't necessarly have been so great. 2 geniuses together don't always make so much great music. Ryuichi Sakamoto, Haruomi Hosono and Bill Laswell are 3 of my favorite musicians ever. Laswell did 2 albums with each of the other 2, none of the 4 records stand comparison to the 3 musicians' best albums. Same can be said with prince: his collaborations with George Clinton, Larry Graham, maceo Parker or Stevie Wonder, while enjoyable, don't count as their best works. His work with Chaka was usually impresive, though.

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Reply #9 posted 07/16/14 12:37am

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lol eek
What?
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Reply #10 posted 07/16/14 2:14pm

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This is a very well thought out analysis of Prince's place in music, Black music in particular with a credible argument for his use of horns in the past 20 yrs. Reading the first couple of paragraphs doesn't do it justice. Do yourself a favor and read it all.

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