OldFriends4Sale said:

Bambi82 said:

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Do you know when this happened?
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What's the story with Candy? I thought she just moved on after the tour, didn't know she was fired.

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Whoever said they'd all come back and work with hiim if they could is probably right. Wendy even admitted she would. I think P can be an asshole boss but I also think he has to be. You start playing bff wth your staff and nobody takes their job seriously. This is true in any line of work.

No you don't have to be an asshole boss to have a productive work relationship. Would you like to work with an Asshole boss? I know I wouldn't. People like that get hurt later on in different ways. The people in his band (maybe not the Game boyz) were all professional from the start, they believed in Prince and worked hard, the loved the guy too. Prince has personal/emotional issues that cause him to be an 'asshole' You still have to pay people for the work. Also God is Love Love is God doesn't work well with Asshole Boss lol

It could be my thoughts only, but when I look at who he handled those who were in his band/protege bands prior to 1990 he treated those people very ummm hurtful?? Like because these people were so into him he had to make sure he kept them at a good distance or something.

Just look back at how things ended between Prince and Mico Weaver, Dr Fink, W&L, Sheila, Jill Jones, the Time, Levi Seacer jr Eric Leeds

Dr. Fink (to paraphrase) has went on to say that some band members thought they were bigger stars then they were. Saying that they should remember that they are employees of Prince.

SoulAlive said:

dJJ said:

Exactly. No need to be a bully if you are a good leader.


Leadership does need practice and learning. It's not a skill easily obtained.


Eventhough most bosses think they are good at it. The actually are not.

Self reflection is a pivotal instrument to become a good leader.

I agree.I sometimes wonder how things might have turned out if Prince hadn't been such a dictator.Perhaps some of those bands (The Family,Mazarati,etc) might have stayed together for more than one album.His Paisley Park empire would have been bigger and stronger than ever.

The Family broke up because Paul left because he was offered a solo record deal.

Mazarati broke up because Brownmark was offered a deal at Motown after leaving The Revolution (which was his choice to leave, he wasn't fired like Wendy & Lisa) and he took Mazarati with him because it was his project. They released a second album on Motown (with two different lead singers as they were having problems with Sir Casey Terry) and it bombed and they broke up.

Neither of those break ups are anything to do with Prince being a dictator.

Militant said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.I sometimes wonder how things might have turned out if Prince hadn't been such a dictator.Perhaps some of those bands (The Family,Mazarati,etc) might have stayed together for more than one album.His Paisley Park empire would have been bigger and stronger than ever.

The Family broke up because Paul left because he was offered a solo record deal.

Mazarati broke up because Brownmark was offered a deal at Motown after leaving The Revolution (which was his choice to leave, he wasn't fired like Wendy & Lisa) and he took Mazarati with him because it was his project. They released a second album on Motown (with two different lead singers as they were having problems with Sir Casey Terry) and it bombed and they broke up.

Neither of those break ups are anything to do with Prince being a dictator.

Well.... it is my understanding that one of the main reasons Paul took the solo deal because he was sick of sitting around waiting for Prince to let him do anything.

SoulAlive said:

joyinrepetition said:

Prince had booked Larry Graham and Sheila E. and her family for the same show. Prince let Larry perform and Sheila and her fam were left out in the cold. I think it was out in L.A. From that point Sheila said she wasn't performing with Prince ever again.

I remember this incident.I think it was one of the San Jose shows.Sheila wasn't too happy about it.

It was San Jose.

jaawwnn said:

Militant said:

The Family broke up because Paul left because he was offered a solo record deal.

Mazarati broke up because Brownmark was offered a deal at Motown after leaving The Revolution (which was his choice to leave, he wasn't fired like Wendy & Lisa) and he took Mazarati with him because it was his project. They released a second album on Motown (with two different lead singers as they were having problems with Sir Casey Terry) and it bombed and they broke up.

Neither of those break ups are anything to do with Prince being a dictator.

Well.... it is my understanding that one of the main reasons Paul took the solo deal because he was sick of sitting around waiting for Prince to let him do anything.

No, Prince was shooting UTCM and Paul wanted The Family to be more of a priority than they were, but Prince didn't have the time right then to focus on it since he was so busy himself. So Paul split. That's not Prince being a dictator either. Prince had already invested time, money, promotion and incredibly strong material like "Screams of Passion", "Mutiny" and "Nothing Compares 2 U" to the project. Plus, he was dating Susannah, so it's not like he had any intention of letting the project stagnate.

Given all that, it was a total slap in the face to Prince when Paul split ; hence the "St Paul - Punk Of The Month!" chant on the Parade tour. Think about how many associates have left the camp.... Prince doesn't address that shit publically, so it shows you just how upset he was about it.

kewlschool said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No you don't have to be an asshole boss to have a productive work relationship. Would you like to work with an Asshole boss? I know I wouldn't. People like that get hurt later on in different ways. The people in his band (maybe not the Game boyz) were all professional from the start, they believed in Prince and worked hard, the loved the guy too. Prince has personal/emotional issues that cause him to be an 'asshole' You still have to pay people for the work. Also God is Love Love is God doesn't work well with Asshole Boss lol

It could be my thoughts only, but when I look at who he handled those who were in his band/protege bands prior to 1990 he treated those people very ummm hurtful?? Like because these people were so into him he had to make sure he kept them at a good distance or something.

Just look back at how things ended between Prince and Mico Weaver, Dr Fink, W&L, Sheila, Jill Jones, the Time, Levi Seacer jr Eric Leeds

Dr. Fink (to paraphrase) has went on to say that some band members thought they were bigger stars then they were. Saying that they should remember that they are employees of Prince.

that wasn't about the grou I'm talking about

I know that comment from Dr Fink , and he had more to say, he was talking about the post Revolution new members. I'll post it later, if I'm not mistaken it was more about those who came on board 1989/1990

I will say though that there were many commentaries on Sheila E especially around the Lovesexy period thinking she felt she deserved the same acknowledgement as Prince

Militant said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree.I sometimes wonder how things might have turned out if Prince hadn't been such a dictator.Perhaps some of those bands (The Family,Mazarati,etc) might have stayed together for more than one album.His Paisley Park empire would have been bigger and stronger than ever.

The Family broke up because Paul left because he was offered a solo record deal.

Mazarati broke up because Brownmark was offered a deal at Motown after leaving The Revolution (which was his choice to leave, he wasn't fired like Wendy & Lisa) and he took Mazarati with him because it was his project. They released a second album on Motown (with two different lead singers as they were having problems with Sir Casey Terry) and it bombed and they broke up.

Neither of those break ups are anything to do with Prince being a dictator.

Right, but the Family broke up because as Paul said he was young and hungry. He left because Prince did nothing with them. Susannah said by the time of their 1st Avenue show they rehearsed and rehearsed that so long it was starting to get boring. Paul wanted the group to be on showcase. Prince got caught up in his vanity project UTCM. He called Susannah to Paris (he originally wanted her in the movie) and he had Jerome in the movie, 2 out of 4 key players. So the Family couldn't really do much. Prince should have had his team at least have them doing shows in France and Europe. He should have had the bands somehow in the movie. side note:Tony Christian(Mazarati guitarist) was in Purple Rain the Taste scene

Militant said:

jaawwnn said:

Well.... it is my understanding that one of the main reasons Paul took the solo deal because he was sick of sitting around waiting for Prince to let him do anything.

No, Prince was shooting UTCM and Paul wanted The Family to be more of a priority than they were, but Prince didn't have the time right then to focus on it since he was so busy himself. So Paul split. That's not Prince being a dictator either. Prince had already invested time, money, promotion and incredibly strong material like "Screams of Passion", "Mutiny" and "Nothing Compares 2 U" to the project. Plus, he was dating Susannah, so it's not like he had any intention of letting the project stagnate.

Given all that, it was a total slap in the face to Prince when Paul split ; hence the "St Paul - Punk Of The Month!" chant on the Parade tour. Think about how many associates have left the camp.... Prince doesn't address that shit publically, so it shows you just how upset he was about it.

Well technically it was because Paul was sick of sitting around waiting. The Family really couldn't do anything yet without Prince giving the ok, his team was with him in France. Sheila E had her go ahead. the Family didn't yet. To invest all that, then put it on a shelf wasn't a good move, the album was out, they need to get to work to make it successful.

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I believe up to that point the only associates who left were

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Morris Day: Movie Star

Vanity: Wonderful Ass

the Time wasn't what it was once Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis were fired by Prince(Prince said in 1990 that Morris Day fired them)

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After Purple Rain, Brenda Bennett said Prince was working on some material for her, but UTCM became another priority/maybe the Family, and things were not moving. She did want to continue to work with Prince, and he wanted to work with her.

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If Prince delegated more to those close in his camp who could help keep the momentum going like all those in his band, I think he could have had more successful protege bands. back in 1981/82 he had Lisa Coleman Dez Jesse and a few others working on protege music. Also River Run Dry is another testament of Bobby Z creating/writing skill. And their was David Z, Brown Mark, Susan Rogers. I mean he really had a 'Dream Team' of skilled people who picked up his vision and sound, that could have assisted. No real knock against him, because I understand he still had strong control issues. I don't think he clearly saw who he had around him.

You can't blame him though. Look at how much he had going on in his own life and career. You're talking about a man who had become a megastar just a couple of years earlier, a man more in demand than almost anyone else on the planet, with his own insane work ethic, making riduculous amounts of music and making big budget films.

Honestly, when you consider all the things Prince had going on it's a wonder he managed to put together protege groups on top of that - not to mention giving them such high quality material.

I mean, if Prince wasn't such a huge star to the point where there was media attention on the people surrounding him, then people like Paul and Mark wouldn't have even been offered solo deals in the first place! Paul even said that nobody had really heard him sing before Prince heard him singing on the Purple Rain set.

You know, I'm not saying that Prince can't be held responsible for some parts of the careers of some protege acts, but you can't blame him for the break up of The Family and DEFINITELY not Mazarati which was a project that he didn't even have a great deal of involvement with. Everybody remembers that Prince took back "Kiss" from Mazarati, but they forget that Mazarati turned down "Jerk Out" after doing a demo of it - and that song in an almost identical form would later go on to be The Time's biggest ever hit and only ever #1 song.

Militant said:

You can't blame him though. Look at how much he had going on in his own life and career. You're talking about a man who had become a megastar just a couple of years earlier, a man more in demand than almost anyone else on the planet, with his own insane work ethic, making riduculous amounts of music and making big budget films.

Honestly, when you consider all the things Prince had going on it's a wonder he managed to put together protege groups on top of that - not to mention giving them such high quality material.

I mean, if Prince wasn't such a huge star to the point where there was media attention on the people surrounding him, then people like Paul and Mark wouldn't have even been offered solo deals in the first place! Paul even said that nobody had really heard him sing before Prince heard him singing on the Purple Rain set.

You know, I'm not saying that Prince can't be held responsible for some parts of the careers of some protege acts, but you can't blame him for the break up of The Family and DEFINITELY not Mazarati which was a project that he didn't even have a great deal of involvement with. Everybody remembers that Prince took back "Kiss" from Mazarati, but they forget that Mazarati turned down "Jerk Out" after doing a demo of it - and that song in an almost identical form would later go on to be The Time's biggest ever hit and only ever #1 song.

No I don't think it's as much of a blame game as it is, lack of something-trust delegation? I don't know

It was definately a lost opportunity.

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And Paul also to this day or at least after the reformation of the Family, felt extreme remorse, if not to Prince to those in the Family. He was having a hard time with the decision he made.

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No you can't blame him 100% for the break up but he is 50% and St Paul is 50%

I'm not even talking about Mazarati, that's a totally different issue. Prince didn't put Mazarati together so that's a different story.

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I love Jerk Out, but honestly I didn't know it was a #1 song, I think by GB time after seeing the film out of embarrassment I lost interest over all. So I actually didn't even remember Jerk Out.

Would Mazarati Jerk Out have been #1 in 1986 vs the Time (who were much more popular) probably not? maybe so... I think one difference with Kiss is that David Z BrownMark and Mazarati worked the song so well that Prince took it back. vs Jerk Out . But again Mazarati is a different issue compared to the Time Vanity 6 and the Family

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It's always going to be a 50/50 blame overall when it comes down 2 a prince and his protege bands issues. I mean we all know the personal issues Prince had with the Time and how he treated them. I would say Prince was 95% the reason that band broke up.

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And as much as I love Sheila E on the skins for SOTT/Lovesexy, I so wish there was a Sheila E album era, she was really taking off and owning that frontman spot.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Militant said:

You can't blame him though. Look at how much he had going on in his own life and career. You're talking about a man who had become a megastar just a couple of years earlier, a man more in demand than almost anyone else on the planet, with his own insane work ethic, making riduculous amounts of music and making big budget films.

Honestly, when you consider all the things Prince had going on it's a wonder he managed to put together protege groups on top of that - not to mention giving them such high quality material.

I mean, if Prince wasn't such a huge star to the point where there was media attention on the people surrounding him, then people like Paul and Mark wouldn't have even been offered solo deals in the first place! Paul even said that nobody had really heard him sing before Prince heard him singing on the Purple Rain set.

You know, I'm not saying that Prince can't be held responsible for some parts of the careers of some protege acts, but you can't blame him for the break up of The Family and DEFINITELY not Mazarati which was a project that he didn't even have a great deal of involvement with. Everybody remembers that Prince took back "Kiss" from Mazarati, but they forget that Mazarati turned down "Jerk Out" after doing a demo of it - and that song in an almost identical form would later go on to be The Time's biggest ever hit and only ever #1 song.

No I don't think it's as much of a blame game as it is, lack of something-trust delegation? I don't know

It was definately a lost opportunity.

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And Paul also to this day or at least after the reformation of the Family, felt extreme remorse, if not to Prince to those in the Family. He was having a hard time with the decision he made.

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No you can't blame him 100% for the break up but he is 50% and St Paul is 50%

I'm not even talking about Mazarati, that's a totally different issue. Prince didn't put Mazarati together so that's a different story.

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I love Jerk Out, but honestly I didn't know it was a #1 song, I think by GB time after seeing the film out of embarrassment I lost interest over all. So I actually didn't even remember Jerk Out.

Would Mazarati Jerk Out have been #1 in 1986 vs the Time (who were much more popular) probably not? maybe so... I think one difference with Kiss is that David Z BrownMark and Mazarati worked the song so well that Prince took it back. vs Jerk Out . But again Mazarati is a different issue compared to the Time Vanity 6 and the Family

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It's always going to be a 50/50 blame overall when it comes down 2 a prince and his protege bands issues. I mean we all know the personal issues Prince had with the Time and how he treated them. I would say Prince was 95% the reason that band broke up.

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And as much as I love Sheila E on the skins for SOTT/Lovesexy, I so wish there was a Sheila E album era, she was really taking off and owning that frontman spot.

Sheila's third album came out in 1987, however it was promoted very little as she stopped to play the drums for Prince. Prince and Sheila should have had a joint tour to promote both of their albums. As a sidenote, Rafael Saadiq was also the bassist in her touring band at the time since Prince took Levi and Mico from her band.

Militant said:

jaawwnn said:

Well.... it is my understanding that one of the main reasons Paul took the solo deal because he was sick of sitting around waiting for Prince to let him do anything.

No, Prince was shooting UTCM and Paul wanted The Family to be more of a priority than they were, but Prince didn't have the time right then to focus on it since he was so busy himself. So Paul split. That's not Prince being a dictator either. Prince had already invested time, money, promotion and incredibly strong material like "Screams of Passion", "Mutiny" and "Nothing Compares 2 U" to the project. Plus, he was dating Susannah, so it's not like he had any intention of letting the project stagnate.

Given all that, it was a total slap in the face to Prince when Paul split ; hence the "St Paul - Punk Of The Month!" chant on the Parade tour. Think about how many associates have left the camp.... Prince doesn't address that shit publically, so it shows you just how upset he was about it.

At that point,Prince was spreading himself too thin.He was trying to do too many things all at once.That's why Paul was pissed.Their record was in stores,but there was no promotion,no guidance,no direction.They rehearsed a whole year for a tour that never happened.I can understand Paul's frustration.He and Prince had a heated argument on the phone and Paul told him that he can't do a million things at once.Prince replied "Oh yes I can...I did it with The Time,didn't I? I did it with Vanity 6,didn't I? I did it with Sheila E".

but you're right,that has nothing to do with Prince being a dictator.But it shows us why some of these people probably resent him to this day.Prince is a brilliant musician and producer,but he wasn't really a great leader/manager of other artists.

OldFriends4Sale said:

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If Prince delegated more to those close in his camp who could help keep the momentum going like all those in his band, I think he could have had more successful protege bands. back in 1981/82 he had Lisa Coleman Dez Jesse and a few others working on protege music. Also River Run Dry is another testament of Bobby Z creating/writing skill. And their was David Z, Brown Mark, Susan Rogers. I mean he really had a 'Dream Team' of skilled people who picked up his vision and sound, that could have assisted. No real knock against him, because I understand he still had strong control issues. I don't think he clearly saw who he had around him.

I agree.As I always say,Paisley Park could have been the Motown of the 80s if Prince had done things differently.Instead of firing Jam and Lewis,he should have kept them onboard and gave them a songwriting/production deal.Many of Prince's proteges could have used those songs.Imagine Jill Jones being able to start her career off with a kickass single like "I Didn't Mean To Turn You On".

Militant said:

You know, I'm not saying that Prince can't be held responsible for some parts of the careers of some protege acts, but you can't blame him for the break up of The Family and DEFINITELY not Mazarati which was a project that he didn't even have a great deal of involvement with. Everybody remembers that Prince took back "Kiss" from Mazarati, but they forget that Mazarati turned down "Jerk Out" after doing a demo of it - and that song in an almost identical form would later go on to be The Time's biggest ever hit and only ever #1 song.

Prince definitely had alot of involvement in Mazarati.BrownMark once mentioned that,in 1984,he actually tried to keep the band a secret from Prince,because he knew that once Prince found out about 'em,he would wannna "take control" That's exactly what happened."He made 'em dress like that,"BrownMark says.At first,we all thought that Prince only contributed one track ("100 MPH") to their album,but that's not the case.I don't have my Uptown books handy (lol) but I remember reading that he wrote several other tracks,as well.

I can't really blame any of them for being bitter. Prince doesn't seem to be that nice of a guy....especially with the ego he walks around with.

SoulAlive said:

Militant said:

You know, I'm not saying that Prince can't be held responsible for some parts of the careers of some protege acts, but you can't blame him for the break up of The Family and DEFINITELY not Mazarati which was a project that he didn't even have a great deal of involvement with. Everybody remembers that Prince took back "Kiss" from Mazarati, but they forget that Mazarati turned down "Jerk Out" after doing a demo of it - and that song in an almost identical form would later go on to be The Time's biggest ever hit and only ever #1 song.

Prince definitely had alot of involvement in Mazarati.BrownMark once mentioned that,in 1984,he actually tried to keep the band a secret from Prince,because he knew that once Prince found out about 'em,he would wannna "take control" That's exactly what happened."He made 'em dress like that,"BrownMark says.At first,we all thought that Prince only contributed one track ("100 MPH") to their album,but that's not the case.I don't have my Uptown books handy (lol) but I remember reading that he wrote several other tracks,as well.

I wouldn't say he had a lot of involvement. Mazarati was Mark's project. It's not comparable to the involvement he had with bands like The Time and The Family.

I asked Mark directly once on Twitter about one of the alleged songs and he said it was written before he even brought Mazarati to Paisley Park. I believe it was said that "Strawberry Lover" and "I Guess It's All Over" were lyrically re-written by Prince, and were originally known as "Fear The Shadow" and "We Did Things Our Way" originally. But he didn't write the songs musically.

I do remember reading a report once that the album was mostly Mark and Prince playing everything, but I don't believe that. I think it's possible he might have played some guitar on "Strawberry Lover" and "Stroke".

We won't know unless Mark or the band speak on it, I guess.

Tittypants said:

I can't really blame any of them for being bitter. Prince doesn't seem to be that nice of a guy....especially with the ego he walks around with.

I've met him, and he was incredibly nice and humble too. I think there's just as many people with fond memories of working with Prince as people who feel bitter. Matt Fink, Bobby Z and Cat (just off the top of my head) have nothing but nice things to say about him, as do plenty of others.

Militant said:

Tittypants said:

I can't really blame any of them for being bitter. Prince doesn't seem to be that nice of a guy....especially with the ego he walks around with.

I've met him, and he was incredibly nice and humble too. I think there's just as many people with fond memories of working with Prince as people who feel bitter. Matt Fink, Bobby Z and Cat (just off the top of my head) have nothing but nice things to say about him, as do plenty of others.

You met him?! Great.

SoulAlive said:

dJJ said:

Exactly. No need to be a bully if you are a good leader.


Leadership does need practice and learning. It's not a skill easily obtained.


Eventhough most bosses think they are good at it. The actually are not.

Self reflection is a pivotal instrument to become a good leader.

I agree.I sometimes wonder how things might have turned out if Prince hadn't been such a dictator.Perhaps some of those bands (The Family,Mazarati,etc) might have stayed together for more than one album.His Paisley Park empire would have been bigger and stronger than ever.

I did not label him a dictator.


And he did accomplish a lot in his late teens - twenty something years. Surely, he made mistakes, just like every human being.

And yes, there probably are people who got hurt by that.

It seems that he pays well nowadays.

And he's got a band who he relates to, but to me, it seems it's a healthy connection.

Not symbiotic or emotional dependant of eachother.

If you choose to work for him, you know it's his way or the highway and that he holds a standard that is not 9-5.


I'm not defending him, because I don't know what happened.

But I do think he has learned a few lessons along the way. Just like most of us.

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

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If Prince delegated more to those close in his camp who could help keep the momentum going like all those in his band, I think he could have had more successful protege bands. back in 1981/82 he had Lisa Coleman Dez Jesse and a few others working on protege music. Also River Run Dry is another testament of Bobby Z creating/writing skill. And their was David Z, Brown Mark, Susan Rogers. I mean he really had a 'Dream Team' of skilled people who picked up his vision and sound, that could have assisted. No real knock against him, because I understand he still had strong control issues. I don't think he clearly saw who he had around him.

I agree.As I always say,Paisley Park could have been the Motown of the 80s if Prince had done things differently.Instead of firing Jam and Lewis,he should have kept them onboard and gave them a songwriting/production deal.Many of Prince's proteges could have used those songs.Imagine Jill Jones being able to start her career off with a kickass single like "I Didn't Mean To Turn You On".

I agree. Paisley Park had a glorious beginning and makings of something grand

I was think, if Vanity 6 continued I could see them doing Diamonds (Herb Alpert/Janet Jackson and I believe prod by Jimmy & Terry)

SoulAlive said:

Militant said:

No, Prince was shooting UTCM and Paul wanted The Family to be more of a priority than they were, but Prince didn't have the time right then to focus on it since he was so busy himself. So Paul split. That's not Prince being a dictator either. Prince had already invested time, money, promotion and incredibly strong material like "Screams of Passion", "Mutiny" and "Nothing Compares 2 U" to the project. Plus, he was dating Susannah, so it's not like he had any intention of letting the project stagnate.

Given all that, it was a total slap in the face to Prince when Paul split ; hence the "St Paul - Punk Of The Month!" chant on the Parade tour. Think about how many associates have left the camp.... Prince doesn't address that shit publically, so it shows you just how upset he was about it.

At that point,Prince was spreading himself too thin.He was trying to do too many things all at once.That's why Paul was pissed.Their record was in stores,but there was no promotion,no guidance,no direction.They rehearsed a whole year for a tour that never happened.I can understand Paul's frustration.He and Prince had a heated argument on the phone and Paul told him that he can't do a million things at once.Prince replied "Oh yes I can...I did it with The Time,didn't I? I did it with Vanity 6,didn't I? I did it with Sheila E".

yeah it's totally possible to *get* his frustration and see how a lot of it was down to how Prince was running things without being seen to be hating on Prince about it.

dJJ said:

Militant said:

I've met him, and he was incredibly nice and humble too. I think there's just as many people with fond memories of working with Prince as people who feel bitter. Matt Fink, Bobby Z and Cat (just off the top of my head) have nothing but nice things to say about him, as do plenty of others.

You met him?! Great.

I did, back in 2007 in London It was awesome.

jaawwnn said:

SoulAlive said:

At that point,Prince was spreading himself too thin.He was trying to do too many things all at once.That's why Paul was pissed.Their record was in stores,but there was no promotion,no guidance,no direction.They rehearsed a whole year for a tour that never happened.I can understand Paul's frustration.He and Prince had a heated argument on the phone and Paul told him that he can't do a million things at once.Prince replied "Oh yes I can...I did it with The Time,didn't I? I did it with Vanity 6,didn't I? I did it with Sheila E".

yeah it's totally possible to *get* his frustration and see how a lot of it was down to how Prince was running things without being seen to be hating on Prince about it.

Yeah, I don't think most of the people from the 1980s are bitter and definately not 'hate' Prince

Way into 2009 Lisa Coleman (who with Wendy Melvoin was performing here and there with Prince since 2006) said he is like a brother and would be a cool 'uncle' to her child

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I think the people that have a bitter touch toward Prince are from the Time (Prince was brutal with them) so when he tried to sell that to St Paul, he failed with the Time and he failed with Vanity 6 as successful as they were

thedance said:

^^^ thanks for the reply, Oldfriends4sale...

37, this makes sense now..

You should listen to some of the things Jesse Johnson has to say about the guys in the Time. They do not sound like a bowl of cherries to be around.

He also said that whatever trouble they had with Prince they all learned so much about the industry and making music from him that it was worth it.

NinaB said:

It wasn't cool hearing from The Time & Andre that they were struggling financially when with P.

Andre also said in the MOJO article that Prince wanted to bring him in on his recording contract and he turned it down.

You cannot complain when someone is trying to hand you a recording contract and you decide to walk away. He would have had money coming from Warner Brothers rather than waiting to be paid after P's expenses.

A: So what was the reason you left ... I saw a video of a rehearsal some time ago where you got into a fight with Prince. He seemed pretty upset, stamped his feet with his high-heel and then walked off.

Miko: You've seen that video tape? So what did I do?
A: Well you left him standing there like a little kid.
Miko: I didn't actually know that this was out! How did you get a video tape with that? I remember this event!
A: Well he tapes almost everything and I saw this a while ago at a friend's place.
Miko: Really? I mean I thought that wasn't available to the public.
A: Well, don't panic, it is not circulating.
Miko: What happened to get the right story from my perspective ... I always keep my guitar on volume 10 -- meaning I can not go any louder. I always did that. But what happened was the sound man turned my guitar up so loud in the middle of the 'big thing' -- and I looked at him [the sound man] to tell him 'Hey man don't do that and Prince didn't see me motion to him and he looked at me and said 'Man turn that damned guitar down!' I was like 'It's not me, it's him' but Prince was really getting upset at me and said 'Look man if you wanna talk then you have an office. I'll go with you man and then we can talk about it but please don't yell at me on the microphone over something like this, which is not even my fault.'

You know I took it personal back then and he was still under this thing so I just said: 'Okay see ya!'

But I was just going to go to the office and he followed me around all the way to the door and he said 'Get out' and I said: 'Okay' and I left. He said 'leave' but it was not the kinda 'leave permanently, forever' ... [Later] He came to the club and we talked about it and he explained to me that because he was doing "Graffiti Bridge" at this time, there's a lot of pressure, and the only person that subconsciously he felt could take the pressure was me. I'd already been with him, I knew him, 'cause you don't get to be with somebody like him for so long if you don't know how!
A: So what was actually the reason that you left, or did he ask you to leave?

Miko: No I left on my own not because of him and I don't know if I feel good when I now say that it was because of the other band members. It was like: Prince -- The Band -- and Me. Me and him was cool but me with the band? Because I'm Miko one hundred per cent, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week always, never changing. But they -- when Prince came into the room it was like 'Okay -- lights, camera, action', a whole new personality came out and they weren't true to themselves. That's basically why I left.

Look at Morris, he's biting his nails he's so scared of Prince lol jk