jamiestarr1uk said:

jamiestarr1uk said:

I don't know if this has been picked up before, but Prince is definitely revising some of his previously homophobic material. If you are gay and into Prince, you've always had a bit of a paradox on your hands. I remember writing an article for Uptown magazine back in the day, exploring why so many gay men & women loved Prince - for me, it was the duality of his image back then: straight/gay - black/white - male/female etc etc. The paradox comes when you hear songs like Bambi, a blistering guitar funk masterpiece but pretty offensive to your average lesbian, I would think. And then there's Chaos & Disorder - 'he's gay/used to mean he's happy/nowadays/happy ain't allowed' - an undeniably homophobic lyric which bemoans gay emancipation and sounds like something your nan would say, just after she mumbled on about how 'you can't even call them darkies anymore'!! This has always bothered me a bit, being a Prince fan & gay, and I often wondered whether, in my fantasy meet with Prince, he would be cool about my sexuality. So tonight, at the Electric Ballroom, it was just great to hear him revise the lyric of Chaos & Disorder, to say 'he's gay/used to mean he's happy/nowadays/WE'RE HAPPY AND WE'RE PROUD'. One line. But I clocked it,Prince, and it was cool and it meant the world to me. Thanks for a completely wonderful night. Welcome back to LONDON!

He was talking about the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy (1994-2011) which barred openly gay people from serving in the US military. Hence, the sample of "Reveille" played after the line on the album version.

Nonetheless, I'm glad to hear how much the lyric change meant to you. It would be nice to think his negative attitudes have changed.

You'd hope he's past his "Wendy and Lisa must renounce their lifestyle" stuff but the Bearded Lady references suggests not.

From the hypocrite who leered "Have you ever kissed another woman on the dancefloor?"

Dsoul said:

You'd hope he's past his "Wendy and Lisa must renounce their lifestyle" stuff but the Bearded Lady references suggests not.

From the hypocrite who leered "Have you ever kissed another woman on the dancefloor?"

Truthbomb.

I don't know why people think Prince is homophobic.I don't see bambi as being offensive

towards lesbians.The song is about him trying to get the drawers anyway he can.

In C&D he's speaking out about gay rights with the happy aint allowed line and did I miss

something?When did he say what he said to Wendy & Lisa?Is this a fact because I would think

they would be done with him.They were jamming with The Roots and Elvis Costello doing

moonbeam levels not that long ago.Do gay and lesbian rights activist protest against him?

Plus he does Ellen and rosie o'donell.I just don't see him being homophobic.

I don't believe Prince is a homophobe.

dbpdexter said:

I don't know why people think Prince is homophobic.I don't see bambi as being offensive

towards lesbians.The song is about him trying to get the drawers anyway he can.

In C&D he's speaking out about gay rights with the happy aint allowed line and did I miss

something?When did he say what he said to Wendy & Lisa?Is this a fact because I would think

they would be done with him.They were jamming with The Roots and Elvis Costello doing

moonbeam levels not that long ago.Do gay and lesbian rights activist protest against him?

Plus he does Ellen and rosie o'donell.I just don't see him being homophobic.

Yup. I think, at worst, he may of at one time been conflicted during some of his religious studies, but ultimately, i have never thought of him as a homophobic at all.

And yes, the line in C&D is exactly as you say, completely pro-rights! He's saying being happy isn't allowed anymore in modern society.

jamiestarr1uk said:

With that line it sounds like he is gay now or at least bi. Could he have switched sides over the last couple of years? I have to admit I have even wondered that by what he wears and mannerisms as of late and I have been one who has ALWAYS defended him as not gay. I have honestly had my doubts the last year or so way before reading this. Just sayin he may be now. I still like his music regardless though.

Neither do I, Prince has a lack of real world education, he has never come out blazing against gays, he has reservations about it, but apart from a few minor incidents he has been quite neutral.

I think that he gets upset when people associate him with being gay, and thats natural, as its merely associating gay stereotypes with Prince's more effete and coquettish behaviour. Its degrading to both gays and Prince, most of Prince's so called campy stuff took place during 1988 and earlier. The modern Prince does not come across as gay acting to me.

I am also a gay male Prince fan and apart from a few of us on the org, I have met heaps of great Aussie and a few Kiwi fans, all the men I have met are totally straight, but can appear gay, because they are not that masculine. Still I feel a bit lonely as a true gay male Prince fan.

Adorecream said:

Neither do I, Prince has a lack of real world education, he has never come out blazing against gays, he has reservations about it, but apart from a few minor incidents he has been quite neutral.

I think that he gets upset when people associate him with being gay, and thats natural, as its merely associating gay stereotypes with Prince's more effete and coquettish behaviour. Its degrading to both gays and Prince, most of Prince's so called campy stuff took place during 1988 and earlier. The modern Prince does not come across as gay acting to me.

I am also a gay male Prince fan and apart from a few of us on the org, I have met heaps of great Aussie and a few Kiwi fans, all the men I have met are totally straight, but can appear gay, because they are not that masculine. Still I feel a bit lonely as a true gay male Prince fan.

Trust me, there are tons of us out here. Like, loads.

Adorecream said:

The modern Prince does not come across as gay acting to me.

You sure about that??

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Glad to hear some pro-gay reference in Prince's music too

Da Bourgoisie was shockingly offensive, and I can only hope that he was 'in character' in that song ...

In 'Bambi' he just says: you're gay, but I can do better (mildly amusing boasting)

In 'Da Bourgoisie' he says: you're gay, and I despise you for it ... ... ...

It makes me cringe and fear the worst

luv4u said:

I don't believe Prince is a homophobe.

i don't either. not him, personally. but sadly the JW religion, and many other religions, do not support open minded thinking on this subject.

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The C&D line never struck me as a homophobic - it was just an awkward play on words. Pretty sure it meant "gay" as a word used to have positive conotations, but now there's so much homophobia in the world (which he's mentioning in the context of things that have gone wrong in the world).

Seems like now he's just making his ANTI-homophobia clear, which is great to hear! The heavy JW period definitely got his head twisted a little.

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trax said:

With that line it sounds like he is gay now or at least bi. Could he have switched sides over the last couple of years? I have to admit I have even wondered that by what he wears and mannerisms as of late and I have been one who has ALWAYS defended him as not gay. I have honestly had my doubts the last year or so way before reading this. Just sayin he may be now. I still like his music regardless though.

nothing personal but I don't like response like this.

It reads, if someone supports homosexuality/isn't against it, he/she must be gay

If someone is homophobic, he/she must be str8

MattyJam said:

Adorecream said:

The modern Prince does not come across as gay acting to me.

You sure about that??

[Edited 2/5/14 23:30pm]

straight men cross their legs like that all the time, its according to the setting and how your dressed

A Man in a suite / at a business meeting for example would cross his legs like that.

That same man at a rodeo bar in jeans would cross his legs with the ankle up on the thigh

It all depends on the setting

neither means anything about sexualtiy

Adorecream said:

Neither do I, Prince has a lack of real world education, he has never come out blazing against gays, he has reservations about it, but apart from a few minor incidents he has been quite neutral.

I think that he gets upset when people associate him with being gay, and thats natural, as its merely associating gay stereotypes with Prince's more effete and coquettish behaviour. Its degrading to both gays and Prince, most of Prince's so called campy stuff took place during 1988 and earlier. The modern Prince does not come across as gay acting to me.

I am also a gay male Prince fan and apart from a few of us on the org, I have met heaps of great Aussie and a few Kiwi fans, all the men I have met are totally straight, but can appear gay, because they are not that masculine. Still I feel a bit lonely as a true gay male Prince fan.

I've been watching a lot of what Prince does as far as how he dresses because 2 me it almost mirrors what he's doing with his music.

And I believe that out of the 'spotlight' and in private Prince will wear more flamboyant things.

Just a little example: during the Planet Earth shows his dress was pretty 'plain' 4 Prince ridged even. But I saw pictures of him out on the town and he wore things that were more in line with what I see as 'Prince' like lace shirts underneath his clothing and such..

Even during the W2 shows when they were in Europe his clothing was more loose? he was wearing lace shirts again the ruffled shirts came out, he was showing more skin. By the time he got to America I don't remember seeing him wear it much.

I don't think Prince is homophobic.

at least that's what i believe so.

I mean isn't he also friends with Elton John?? i remember him also going to his ''party'' after the grammys or so in 2012/2011.

also the way you dress hasn't got anything to with your sexuality in my idea. but i never believed in stereotypes or categorizing people.

Dsoul said:

You'd hope he's past his "Wendy and Lisa must renounce their lifestyle" stuff but the Bearded Lady references suggests not.

From the hypocrite who leered "Have you ever kissed another woman on the dancefloor?"

----- He was arguing with them when he said that. He could not have had a problem with them since he was the one pushing their gayness doing the whole PR area. W*L even said so in OUT mag interview.

Maybe some of you need to get a clue most guys like P do not have an issue with Lesibians they feel no threat from someone who likes what they like however, nobody wants to be kicked to the cure for someone else even if it is another woman.

laurarichardson said:

Dsoul said:

You'd hope he's past his "Wendy and Lisa must renounce their lifestyle" stuff but the Bearded Lady references suggests not.

From the hypocrite who leered "Have you ever kissed another woman on the dancefloor?"

----- He was arguing with them when he said that. He could not have had a problem with them since he was the one pushing their gayness doing the whole PR area. W*L even said so in OUT mag interview.

Maybe some of you need to get a clue most guys like P do not have an issue with Lesibians they feel no threat from someone who likes what they like however, nobody wants to be kicked to the cure for someone else even if it is another woman.

who he was in 1984 is much different from Prince now since his JW/Larry Graham conversion

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If a (non black)person get's mad at their black friend/spouse and calls them the N word, that a signal that person still has some prejudice issues.

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Maybe it's not on the level of gay bashing, but no one is going to tell me he doesn't have some homophobia. disliking male homosexuality and being cool with female homosexuality is hypocracy.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

jamiestarr1uk said:

I don't know if this has been picked up before, but Prince is definitely revising some of his previously homophobic material. If you are gay and into Prince, you've always had a bit of a paradox on your hands. I remember writing an article for Uptown magazine back in the day, exploring why so many gay men & women loved Prince - for me, it was the duality of his image back then: straight/gay - black/white - male/female etc etc. The paradox comes when you hear songs like Bambi, a blistering guitar funk masterpiece but pretty offensive to your average lesbian, I would think. And then there's Chaos & Disorder - 'he's gay/used to mean he's happy/nowadays/happy ain't allowed' - an undeniably homophobic lyric which bemoans gay emancipation and sounds like something your nan would say, just after she mumbled on about how 'you can't even call them darkies anymore'!! This has always bothered me a bit, being a Prince fan & gay, and I often wondered whether, in my fantasy meet with Prince, he would be cool about my sexuality. So tonight, at the Electric Ballroom, it was just great to hear him revise the lyric of Chaos & Disorder, to say 'he's gay/used to mean he's happy/nowadays/WE'RE HAPPY AND WE'RE PROUD'. One line. But I clocked it,Prince, and it was cool and it meant the world to me. Thanks for a completely wonderful night. Welcome back to LONDON!

I'm Happy that he made you happy!

I dont think Prince is homophobe, but I do think he has an attitude about people who do it for fun and those who take it too seriously and need to grow up. He probably doesnt care if its to play but eventually you do grow out of it. Which is what I took Da Bourgeoisie as.

All the mature open individuals have done it, David Bowie and so on and move on.

Im one who also believes that its ok to do whatever you want sexually, but dont play around like its not a choice or something or act the victim. Do it confidently and acknowledge it for what it is. The line in Chaos and Disorder I took it as him defending not insulting.

LayzieKiddZ said:

tatocorcu said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

I dont think Prince is homophobe, but I do think he has an attitude about people who do it for fun and those who take it too seriously and need to grow up. He probably doesnt care if its to play but eventually you do grow out of it. Which is what I took Da Bourgeoisie as.

All the mature open individuals have done it, David Bowie and so on and move on.

Im one who also believes that its ok to do whatever you want sexually, but dont play around like its not a choice or something or act the victim. Do it confidently and acknowledge it for what it is. The line in Chaos and Disorder I took it as him defending not insulting.

What do you mean?

Well I think being gay or bisexual is a choice ultimately, for the conscious individual or if you have self awareness. I think a lot of people trick themselves into thinking that theyre only some way because of tramatic experiences in childhood, or because they were raised by women or things of the like. Which is alright, but as long as you realize whats going on, that doesnt mean you dont have the choice to be straight or gay if you choose. Thats my personal view anyway.

Apologies if that sounded offensive by the way.

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LayzieKiddZ said:

LayzieKiddZ said:

I dont think Prince is homophobe, but I do think he has an attitude about people who do it for fun and those who take it too seriously and need to grow up. He probably doesnt care if its to play but eventually you do grow out of it. Which is what I took Da Bourgeoisie as.

All the mature open individuals have done it, David Bowie and so on and move on.

Im one who also believes that its ok to do whatever you want sexually, but dont play around like its not a choice or something or act the victim. Do it confidently and acknowledge it for what it is. The line in Chaos and Disorder I took it as him defending not insulting.

I thought that song was about Women(lesbian)?

And U nor Prince knows what David Bowie does or doesn't do.

Hell how many married men still mess around with other women. What is the 'growing up' you're talking about. If people really did grow up, there wouldn't be so many divorces.

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Ur post sorry is just 'ignorant' and before U get offended, I mean that in the literal sense of the word

What were the ages of the women Prince dated from Anna Garcia 2 Bria Valente?

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And lesbians tend to be more monogamous and 'family' oriented

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I don't know if that's how Prince took it as u say, because his whole life was mostly about messing around.

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And if you think he thinks it's a choice, that is another side of homophobia, I don't believe anyone would choose to be different that way. Knowing all the issues that come from people like u who believe it's a choice.