What I remember from that book is how pretentious and theoretically weak is. Full of unfounded blah, blah, blah.

errant said:

Toure and Prince's Rosebud should have been the title of the book.

I thought this thread was about fisting. So disappointing to find out that it's not.

Toure made a lot of assumptions about Prince that in my opinion are beyond creepy. For example, writing about how Prince was in bed with other women and using those anoynmous quotes from former girlfriends to theorize Toure's thoughts on Prince using his lyrics. As far as Prince's character flaws, unless you were effected by Prince's alleged mistreatment of people, why take it so personally?

Prince is a musician. He may be an icon but at the end of day, he is a musician and ultimately, that's why he is important. Most celebrities have personalities that make seem "messed up".

bashraka said:

This is NOT the thread I thought it would be.

theblueangel said:

errant said:

Toure and Prince's Rosebud should have been the title of the book.

I thought this thread was about fisting. So disappointing to find out that it's not.

I knew it wasn't going to be, but I wanted it to be about fisting too

NouveauDance said:

theblueangel said:

I thought this thread was about fisting. So disappointing to find out that it's not.

I knew it wasn't going to be, but I wanted it to be about fisting too

Yeah, very disappointing!

percy28 said:

I just reading Toure's lecture/book on prince. Well, it's a bit of shock to read how messed up Prince seems to be. I know it's not an autobiography it's opinions and interviews but it's the first book I've read on him that goes in depth on his character . I have met people who worked with him and a ex girlfriend of his and they where very guarded and seemed quite upset with the way he is with people. I've only read the first part I don't know if i want to read anymore as he seems like such a selfish person . Any else read this and thought the same?

It is a shock?

Prince is a disgusting, abusive, controlling, selfish horrible individual. I would call him a sociopath for sure.

He treats people like dirt; always has. The way he has treated women is horrible. The way he has ripped off musicians is horrible. The way he held back members of the Time from working and making money was horrible.

I am still sort of fan because i am hoping he will have an epiphany and change; i truly do. The man has no morals at all. No consideration for others.

DOZENS AND DOZENS of interviews confirm this. Nobody actually like shim as a person other than a few pretty women who don't know him well. He treats his oldest so called friends like garbage.


BTW; i am 100% SURE he did attack Sinead O' Connor because i have studied body language and checked out her interview on it. I see NO deception whatsoever; NONE. She is visibly shaken when recalling those events. I am sure other women have had the same abuse(Jill Jones).

He has no manors, he is rude and he is arrogant.

bashraka said:

Toure made a lot of assumptions about Prince that in my opinion are beyond creepy. For example, writing about how Prince was in bed with other women and using those anoynmous quotes from former girlfriends to theorize Toure's thoughts on Prince using his lyrics. As far as Prince's character flaws, unless you were effected by Prince's alleged mistreatment of people, why take it so personally?

Prince is a musician. He may be an icon but at the end of day, he is a musician and ultimately, that's why he is important. Most celebrities have personalities that make seem "messed up".

I am effected by anybody being mistreated. I feel for them. i do not condone it. Yes i am overly sensitive these days; i can't help it. It makes me angry how Prince treats people.

WE should call him out on it. Anybody interviewing him should. I am sick of people sucking up to him.

Being a good person is what matters; not playing the guitar.

If anybody thinks Prince is going to cop to the aforementioned misbehaviors of the past, is kidding themselves. If he does any interviews, next year, he's going to use the members of 3RD EYE GIRL or NPG to get the word out about new product and tour.

I agree, Prince is guilty of business practices that set former business associates back, but as far as Sinead O' Connor, I'm not taking the word of someone who ripped a picture of the Pope and if memory serves me correctly, she jokingly hinted that it wasn't true. That allegation doesn't do her or Prince any good.

I could give a damn about Prince's character. Just give me the music.

paulmicahel said:

bashraka said:

Toure made a lot of assumptions about Prince that in my opinion are beyond creepy. For example, writing about how Prince was in bed with other women and using those anoynmous quotes from former girlfriends to theorize Toure's thoughts on Prince using his lyrics. As far as Prince's character flaws, unless you were effected by Prince's alleged mistreatment of people, why take it so personally?

Prince is a musician. He may be an icon but at the end of day, he is a musician and ultimately, that's why he is important. Most celebrities have personalities that make seem "messed up".

I am effected by anybody being mistreated. I feel for them. i do not condone it. Yes i am overly sensitive these days; i can't help it. It makes me angry how Prince treats people.

ATTENTION WORLD!!! STOP BEING ASSHOLES!!! YES, YOU MUST STOP BECAUSE PAUL IS AFFECTED BY YOUR ASSHOLISHNESS!!

I apologize on behalf of the planet for affecting you... indirectly.

So what does the word "Rosebud" have to do with anything?

Please do tell!

percy28 said:

I just reading Toure's lecture/book on prince. Well, it's a bit of shock to read how messed up Prince seems to be. I know it's not an autobiography it's opinions and interviews but it's the first book I've read on him that goes in depth on his character . I have met people who worked with him and a ex girlfriend of his and they where very guarded and seemed quite upset with the way he is with people. I've only read the first part I don't know if i want to read anymore as he seems like such a selfish person . Any else read this and thought the same?

There's lots of evidence that Prince is indeed insane. Anecdotes everywhere. It's not a secret. In reality, he may well be mentally ill but he plays guitar really well and is a rockstar, so remains untreated (at least publically).

It's a long time since he was the biggest rock star in the world but he seems oblivious of it and is still full of self importance and entitlement to this day.

Don't know why. He serves up shitty crumbs from his table now. Predictably made of shit.

Classic Prince (You know when) is cool though. Still.

Eye really enjoyed 'Toure's conference he gave here in the beautiful Downtown LA a few months ago! He has a quirky sense of humor. The conference was way better than the book!!!

chriss said:

So what does the word "Rosebud" have to do with anything?

Please do tell!

Figured this would be about Prince & his rosey red asshole. Instead it's about just a figurative asshole

NouveauDance said:

chriss said:

So what does the word "Rosebud" have to do with anything?

Please do tell!

You know what William Randolf Hearst called "Rosebud", right?

ufoclub said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Figured this would be about Prince & his rosey red asshole. Instead it's about just a figurative asshole

u might've seen the word ballon-knot somewhere then...

paulmicahel said:

paulmicahel said:

laurarichardson said:

paulmicahel said:

I am effected by anybody being mistreated. I feel for them. i do not condone it. Yes i am overly sensitive these days; i can't help it. It makes me angry how Prince treats people.

WE should call him out on it. Anybody interviewing him should. I am sick of people sucking up to him.

Being a good person is what matters; not playing the guitar.

-Then get the fuck off of this board. For God'sake it is a fan board.

Exactly!!!!!!!

That book is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. Its all this mumbling about generations and then some anonymous chick going on about Prince banging her and how he likes to watch 2 girls go at it. I mean who cares!!!!! That is private stuff that should remain private. I can just see Prince reading it and thinking WTF!!! .

I mean how would you like it, if someone graphically described your lovemaking and sex preferences in a tell all book about you instead of your achievements (Musical or otherwise). A good friend loaned me a copy and I feel sorry for her as she had to fork out full price for it. It was unreadable after a while but I persevered, it has hardly anything to do with Prince and all I got out of it, was Generation X's fascination with this late Baby Boomer artist and the fact he likes all girl action and menage a trois with two girls.

It was just unreadable and I think its the worst book about Prince ever. It adds nothing new and barely even touches his music. Its probably why Toure is totally unknown in my neck of the woods and when I heard the name I though instantly of Sekou Toure, the barmy Communist president of Guinea in the 1960s.

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paulmicahel said:

bashraka said:

Toure made a lot of assumptions about Prince that in my opinion are beyond creepy. For example, writing about how Prince was in bed with other women and using those anoynmous quotes from former girlfriends to theorize Toure's thoughts on Prince using his lyrics. As far as Prince's character flaws, unless you were effected by Prince's alleged mistreatment of people, why take it so personally?

Prince is a musician. He may be an icon but at the end of day, he is a musician and ultimately, that's why he is important. Most celebrities have personalities that make seem "messed up".

I am effected by anybody being mistreated. I feel for them. i do not condone it. Yes i am overly sensitive these days; i can't help it. It makes me angry how Prince treats people.

WE should call him out on it. Anybody interviewing him should. I am sick of people sucking up to him.

Being a good person is what matters; not playing the guitar.

Bro, why are you even a fan, he is 55, he is never going to change, and what does his personal manners have to do with large country homes. I think the word you want in bold is affected. My spelling and grammar is atrocious, but your posts are one step off text-er language.

How can one pretend to make a deep interpretative effort on an artist, base that effort on the concept of "generation" and not even write three lines discussing the concept itself is beyond me.

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Adorecream said:

That book is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. Its all this mumbling about generations and then some anonymous chick going on about Prince banging her and how he likes to watch 2 girls go at it. I mean who cares!!!!! That is private stuff that should remain private. I can just see Prince reading it and thinking WTF!!! .

I mean how would you like it, if someone graphically described your lovemaking and sex preferences in a tell all book about you instead of your achievements (Musical or otherwise). A good friend loaned me a copy and I feel sorry for her as she had to fork out full price for it. It was unreadable after a while but I persevered, it has hardly anything to do with Prince and all I got out of it, was Generation X's fascination with this late Baby Boomer artist and the fact he likes all girl action and menage a trois with two girls.

It was just unreadable and I think its the worst book about Prince ever. It adds nothing new and barely even touches his music. Its probably why Toure is totally unknown in my neck of the woods and when I heard the name I though instantly of Sekou Toure, the barmy Communist president of Guinea in the 1960s.

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I so agree with this. Ragarding the reactions here, people obviously don't realize how disgusting and inhuman (to quote someone above) it is to be THAT judgemental about someone they've never even met. I've "enjoyed" a certain amount of local celebrity in my home city (it's the second biggest city in France, not a town) back in the late 90's and early 00's and many people I had never met started to speak nonsense about me and draw conclusions from stories they'd heard about how bad, selfish, naughty an individual I was. I was 20-25 years-old, I was not ready for this. I thought all my efforts would get me praise (and it did) but I had no idea it would get me so much undeserved shit as well! Some people that I'd never even spoke with HATED me for chrissakes! Some details from my private life also started to become public, to such a level that I feared to sleep with girls out of fear total strangers would comment about it after a few weeks. There were also lies, too. Not interpretation but sheer, pure factual lies about things I was supposed to have done or said or felt that weren't true. It even happened that some friends came to me asking "is it really true that you did/say such a bad thing?" and I was like " ! I have no idea where this comes from but this sure ain't about me!". These rumors were so mean, so unfair and so undeserved that it fucked me up to such a level that I basically sabotaged my own artistic career to escape that back then. I was hurt, deeply. I regret that now, because I could have kept rising, but that taught me how celebrity can be destructive and if it was so hard to deal with at such a little level I can't imagine the pressure major celebrities have to face. I probably couldn't have done it, I'd have ended in a mental hospital, or a drug addict.

As for writing a book about someone's private, sexual and love life I guess that's your job if u're a journalist but I can't help but wondering how destructive it can be for the concerned person to read this, knowing that some things are real but you don't want the world to know and some are just lies or hasty conclusions but u can't go public and deny it without looking like a fool. Just imagine, all of you moralists who are so happy to say how bad a person Prince is, how you'd feel if the bad things you've done (and who hasn't fucked up and done things they ain't proud of once in a while? certainly not me!) were made public, to the knowledge of thousands of strangers. Just imagine how you'd feel if people would take these things and make a full portait of you, ignoring your good sides, on public forums. Just imagine how you'd feel if the details of your sexual life were told in books and on the internet? Your little secrets, your little obsessions... Just imagine how you'd feel if the things that have been written above about Prince had been written about YOU, by people you've never met. Can you picture this?

I haven't read that one book about Prince but I will eventually, but I've read most of the others, plus dozens if not hundreds of ex collaborators interview, and I certainly don't think Prince is the monstruous, insane, bastard you guys think he is. He's had issues? Damn right! Who wouldn't being one of the most famous person in the Western hemisphere at 25 years old? He certainly has been selfish, emotionally insensitive on many occasions. Many people have also testified about him being kind, polite, generous but this you chose to ignore. You just see what you want to see! Is he insane? Define insanity. He's been living in his own bubble since he's been 20. He's never had a real job, a normal life. He's always been famous, rich, harrassed by the press, secured by bodyguards, surrounded by servants to give him whatever he needed any time of night or day. So yeah as Kevin Smith once stated, he's been living in "Prince world" for far too long to behave like normal folks would in many circumstances. Normal behavior is not a natural talent, it's the result of years of informal training about what's acceptable and what's not in your social circles. Prince's social circles have never been very normal as far as I can tell. Does it make a madman of him? I don't know. Most celebrities are weird in many aspects but in the end Prince never ended-up in jail for woman-beating or in a mental institution for drugs abuse, I think by many standards he's pretty sane compared to many others, both famous and not famous.

Prince is just a man. He's certainly not perfect. He's certainly not the monster some of you describe either. I fully respect that man for what he's accomplished and all the joy and wisdom he's given me over the years through his music, lyrics and even sometimes actions. I think just because he's rich and famous doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the same level of reserve and compassion as any other folk. I think he's just as good or bad as most of us here. And I think if there are monsters on this earth, it's the people who spoke so much crap on this thread! You are the monsters, for such a lack of compassion and humility, for such a haste to condemn others without a trial, for such an incapacity to examine your own behaviours and the bad things you have done and still do because you're so busy examining other people's. This total lack of compassion and self analysis is the main cause of ignorance, selfishness, unhappiness, war, fanatisme and racism among other things in this world. I'd be tempted to say "shame on you" but I won't, because that compassion you're not giving Prince, I will give you. I don't know you and I'm sure that despite the odious, arrogant, inhuman behavior you display on this thread, you certainly are very kind and caring individuals in other circumstances.

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