Please can anybody helo with this? I have asked on other forums and nobody knows so i had to come here.

I have the Canadian version of Sign of the times which is the best avialble and true 5.1 mix.

Is the Blu Ray really HD sound or another fake like Purple Rain blu ray which had a fake 5.1 upmix from Dolby digital 2.0; NOT HD sound by any means.

thanks

paulmicahel said:

This is something I need!! Any idea on UK availability?? Please

fuzzface said:

This is something I need!! Any idea on UK availability?? Please

It is an Australian version. I have no idea though whether it is just the DVD pressed on Blu Ray though? I don't wnat to spend £22 to to see. I would like some feedback first.

kaine said:

paulmicahel said:

Please can anybody helo with this? I have asked on other forums and nobody knows so i had to come here.

I have the Canadian version of Sign of the times which is the best avialble and true 5.1 mix.

Is the Blu Ray really HD sound or another fake like Purple Rain blu ray which had a fake 5.1 upmix from Dolby digital 2.0; NOT HD sound by any means.

thanks

Not sure, but I think it's not worse. I thought the blu sounds great and the picture quality for me was worth the upgrade. But I think PR sounded great so maybe I'm not the one to trust on this one.

Purple Rain Film Blu ray is atrocious!

It's a real blu-ray. There's even a thread here with screenshot comparisons. I can post a comparison here.

I have it. But it's not digitally cleaned up or sharpened to look different then it did projected in the theater.

From what I see, the Purple Rain blu-ray is also decent, an accurate version of what was screened in theaters, not digitally cleaned or manipulated. Maybe they could have done better with adjusting contrast and color. Both SOTT and Purple Rain were grainy dirty movies in the theater.

Here's a pro review of the Purple Rain blu: http://bluray.highdefdige...erain.html

The SOTT blu-ray sounds great and looks great to me, I also have it on VHS, Beta, Laserdisc, and DVD... all gathered over the years. I've thrown out the bootleg DVD's which were awful.

PS... what do you mean by HD sound? Normally HD is referring to the visual aspect of media, specifically the pixel size. I know some companies try to promote all kinds of things by using the term "HD".

XNY said:

^^ Thanks for the info on both movies. Wondering if you found either Blu Ray of SOTT and Purple Rain in stores, or online? Is it available in the US? (I didn't know they had Blu-Ray versions until I read this thread)

Purple Rain is easy to find on blu-ray, like right here: http://www.amazon.com/Pur...urple+rain

But SOTT was only available from down underhttp://www.dvdland.com.au...medium=cpc

or on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/ctg/P.../118425261

ufoclub said:

It's a real blu-ray. There's even a thread here with screenshot comparisons. I can post a comparison here.

I have it. But it's not digitally cleaned up or sharpened to look different then it did projected in the theater.

From what I see, the Purple Rain blu-ray is also decent, an accurate version of what was screened in theaters, not digitally cleaned or manipulated. Maybe they could have done better with adjusting contrast and color. Both SOTT and Purple Rain were grainy dirty movies in the theater.

Here's a pro review of the Purple Rain blu: http://bluray.highdefdige...erain.html

The SOTT blu-ray sounds great and looks great to me, I also have it on VHS, Beta, Laserdisc, and DVD... all gathered over the years. I've thrown out the bootleg DVD's which were awful.

PS... what do you mean by HD sound? Normally HD is referring to the visual aspect of media, specifically the pixel size. I know some companies try to promote all kinds of things by using the term "HD".

Hi Def lossless sound. DolbyTrueHD or DTS masterHD or LPCM 24/96. This Blu Ray in question is advertsied as DolbyTrueHD but so was PR.

SOTT DVD is Dolby Digital 5.1. Dolby sucks and is barely better than an mp3.

Nearly all Blu Rays have Hi Def sound. Purple Rain DID NOT. It has a fake surround mix for a start; NO songs are mixed in 5.1 from original tapes.

ufoclub said:

It's a real blu-ray. There's even a thread here with screenshot comparisons. I can post a comparison here.

I have it. But it's not digitally cleaned up or sharpened to look different then it did projected in the theater.

From what I see, the Purple Rain blu-ray is also decent, an accurate version of what was screened in theaters, not digitally cleaned or manipulated. Maybe they could have done better with adjusting contrast and color. Both SOTT and Purple Rain were grainy dirty movies in the theater.

Here's a pro review of the Purple Rain blu: http://bluray.highdefdige...erain.html

The SOTT blu-ray sounds great and looks great to me, I also have it on VHS, Beta, Laserdisc, and DVD... all gathered over the years. I've thrown out the bootleg DVD's which were awful.

PS... what do you mean by HD sound? Normally HD is referring to the visual aspect of media, specifically the pixel size. I know some companies try to promote all kinds of things by using the term "HD".

In front of a live crowd at the Rotterdam Music Hall, Prince and his band bring to life his Grammy Nominated Album of the Year Sign O the Times. This ground-breaking concert film has been completely digitally restored, enhanced and remastered in Dolby digital TrueHD 5.1 for this magnificent Blu-ray release! Directed with the raw energy of the Minneapolis Rocker himself, the movie is punctuated with specially filmed, dramatic vignettes appearing occasionally between songs. Drummer Shelia E. rocks the house and Sheena Easton makes a special appearance to strut her stuff. You wont want to miss these sizzling live renditions of his hits such as Little Red Corvette and U Got the Look. This is Prince unleashed!

This is from the page on thread. Supposidly it is in HD sound but i am skeptical.

I don't care about picture quality at all.

paulmicahel said:

ufoclub said:

It's a real blu-ray. There's even a thread here with screenshot comparisons. I can post a comparison here.

I have it. But it's not digitally cleaned up or sharpened to look different then it did projected in the theater.

From what I see, the Purple Rain blu-ray is also decent, an accurate version of what was screened in theaters, not digitally cleaned or manipulated. Maybe they could have done better with adjusting contrast and color. Both SOTT and Purple Rain were grainy dirty movies in the theater.

Here's a pro review of the Purple Rain blu: http://bluray.highdefdige...erain.html

The SOTT blu-ray sounds great and looks great to me, I also have it on VHS, Beta, Laserdisc, and DVD... all gathered over the years. I've thrown out the bootleg DVD's which were awful.

PS... what do you mean by HD sound? Normally HD is referring to the visual aspect of media, specifically the pixel size. I know some companies try to promote all kinds of things by using the term "HD".

In front of a live crowd at the Rotterdam Music Hall, Prince and his band bring to life his Grammy Nominated Album of the Year Sign O the Times. This ground-breaking concert film has been completely digitally restored, enhanced and remastered in Dolby digital TrueHD 5.1 for this magnificent Blu-ray release! Directed with the raw energy of the Minneapolis Rocker himself, the movie is punctuated with specially filmed, dramatic vignettes appearing occasionally between songs. Drummer Shelia E. rocks the house and Sheena Easton makes a special appearance to strut her stuff. You wont want to miss these sizzling live renditions of his hits such as Little Red Corvette and U Got the Look. This is Prince unleashed!

This is from the page on thread. Supposidly it is in HD sound but i am skeptical.

I don't care about picture quality at all.

Dolby TruHD is a high bitrate digital transfer of the mastertape, so it could very well be that they just put the uncompressed audio on there. That doesn't mean that the original soundtrack was mixed in anything but the 80's style Dolby Surround in terms of surround mixing. Dolby TruHD does not equal multichannel, or remastered. In fact, you could have an old movie like Casablanca in DolbyTruHD mono.

The 5.1 claim might be a bit of bullshit, unless someone went in and remixed the soundtrack for a 5.1 mix. They might just be spreading the old mix on both Prince movies over all the speakers.

ufoclub said:

paulmicahel said:

In front of a live crowd at the Rotterdam Music Hall, Prince and his band bring to life his Grammy Nominated Album of the Year Sign O the Times. This ground-breaking concert film has been completely digitally restored, enhanced and remastered in Dolby digital TrueHD 5.1 for this magnificent Blu-ray release! Directed with the raw energy of the Minneapolis Rocker himself, the movie is punctuated with specially filmed, dramatic vignettes appearing occasionally between songs. Drummer Shelia E. rocks the house and Sheena Easton makes a special appearance to strut her stuff. You wont want to miss these sizzling live renditions of his hits such as Little Red Corvette and U Got the Look. This is Prince unleashed!

This is from the page on thread. Supposidly it is in HD sound but i am skeptical.

I don't care about picture quality at all.

Dolby TruHD is a high bitrate digital transfer of the mastertape, so it could very well be that they just put the uncompressed audio on there. That doesn't mean that the original soundtrack was mixed in anything but the 80's style Dolby Surround in terms of surround mixing. Dolby TruHD does not equal multichannel, or remastered. In fact, you could have an old movie like Casablanca in DolbyTruHD mono.

The 5.1 claim might be a bit of bullshit, unless someone went in and remixed the soundtrack for a 5.1 mix. They might just be spreading the old mix on both Prince movies over all the speakers.

I know what TruHD is thanks i am a big Blu ray collector; that is why i asked about it in this thread. Just because the label says that does not mean it is true. It may be a case of false advertising.

You do not have to educate me on surround sound. I have hundreds of surround titles. I know what remastering is.

ANyone who has both the Canadian DVD and the Australian Blu Ray would notice a HUGE difference in sound if one was only DD and the other TruHD.

It seems nobody has a clue.

[Edited 11/8/13 7:59am]

paulmicahel said:

ufoclub said:

Dolby TruHD is a high bitrate digital transfer of the mastertape, so it could very well be that they just put the uncompressed audio on there. That doesn't mean that the original soundtrack was mixed in anything but the 80's style Dolby Surround in terms of surround mixing. Dolby TruHD does not equal multichannel, or remastered. In fact, you could have an old movie like Casablanca in DolbyTruHD mono.

The 5.1 claim might be a bit of bullshit, unless someone went in and remixed the soundtrack for a 5.1 mix. They might just be spreading the old mix on both Prince movies over all the speakers.

I know what TruHD is thanks i am a big Blu ray collector; that is why i asked about it in this thread. Just because the label says that does not mean it is true. It may be a case of false advertising.

You do not have to educate me on surround sound. I have hundreds of surround titles. I know what remastering is.

ANyone who has both the Canadian DVD and the Australian Blu Ray would notice a HUGE difference in sound if one was only DD and the other TruHD.

It seems nobody has a clue.

[Edited 11/8/13 7:59am]

Here's a review of the sound on the Purple Rain blu-ray:

"Although the inclusion of a full-blown Dolby TrueHD 5.1 surround mix (48kHz/16-bit) raised hopes that this would be one killer soundtrack, like the video, 'Purple Rain's recently remastered audio is also comparatively disappointing.

As we learn in the included supplements, 'Purple Rain's "song score" included both traditional studio recordings (including "When Doves Cry") as well as tracks that were recorded live to backing tapes. This was also in the age before digital recording was commonplace. The result is that even remastered, 'Purple Rain's classic songs still sound dated in fidelity, and limited in sonic scope. It's particularly unfortunate, because who wouldn't want to crank up this HD DVD and blow out the speakers with earth-shaking rock?

Flipping back and forth between the included Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital-Plus (640kbps) tracks yielded little of the appreciable upgrade I had hoped for. Bass still sounds '80s flat, and upper ranges are also flat and compressed. As the film takes place primarily at clubs and in other loud environments, the dialogue was mostly looped, and it sounds like it. Finer subtleties are often lost, to the point where dialogue is obscured and volume boosting was required. Surround use is also poor, with only processed bleed to the rears and no true sonic separation of instruments in the mix.

To be sure, 'Purple Rain' doesn't sound bad -- it's a clean mix, at least -- but compared to some of the truly phenomenal 5.1 surround music remixes I've heard over the years (some for albums far older than this one), 'Purple Rain' fails to deliver the wallop I'd hoped for."

[Edited 11/8/13 22:03pm]

paulmicahel said:

Please can anybody helo with this? I have asked on other forums and nobody knows so i had to come here.

I have the Canadian version of Sign of the times which is the best avialble and true 5.1 mix.

I seriously doubt the SOTT movie had 5.1 sound in theaters.

BartVanHemelen said:

paulmicahel said:

Please can anybody helo with this? I have asked on other forums and nobody knows so i had to come here.

I have the Canadian version of Sign of the times which is the best avialble and true 5.1 mix.

I seriously doubt the SOTT movie had 5.1 sound in theaters.

It was likely regular Dolby Stereo in theaters. four original channels: Left (L), Center (C), Right (R), and Surround (S)

Common for the 80's.

BartVanHemelen said:

paulmicahel said:

Please can anybody helo with this? I have asked on other forums and nobody knows so i had to come here.

I have the Canadian version of Sign of the times which is the best avialble and true 5.1 mix.

I seriously doubt the SOTT movie had 5.1 sound in theaters.

who cares about cinemas?

I care about the Blu Ray.