RodeoSchro said:

But in my case, I have hundreds of songs, and dozens of hours, of the best music I've ever heard. If I never heard another new Prince song (whether new or newly-released), I'd be satsified. Not happy per se, but satisfied with what I have.

Hear hear. I completely agree. I said something similar in another thread a few weeks ago.

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At this point in my collecting life, I have - almost literally - DAYS of Prince music I can listen to whenever I want. And I do. Often. The newer stuff just isn't doing it for me, and that's okay. I've got tunes that I enjoy.

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I do enjoy it when a new "gem" hits the streets, though. It's always cool to hear an "aural Holy Grail".

GiggityGoo said:

RodeoSchro said:

But in my case, I have hundreds of songs, and dozens of hours, of the best music I've ever heard. If I never heard another new Prince song (whether new or newly-released), I'd be satsified. Not happy per se, but satisfied with what I have.

Hear hear. I completely agree. I said something similar in another thread a few weeks ago.

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At this point in my collecting life, I have - almost literally - DAYS of Prince music I can listen to whenever I want. And I do. Often. The newer stuff just isn't doing it for me, and that's okay. I've got tunes that I enjoy.

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I do enjoy it when a new "gem" hits the streets, though. It's always cool to hear an "aural Holy Grail".

This is true, but when I hear something new from the old days..... mannnn that gets me pumped!

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I want to hear that version of Standing At The Altar with Prince's vocals that BigChick mentioned...

Let's get real, until we have Prince's vocal versions of "the Time" tracks ALL of our lives are horribly incomplete

I'd also pay a hefty price for the vocal version of the 'Possessed' instrumental from the Purple Rain film.

Wildboy said:

Let's get real, until we have Prince's vocal versions of "the Time" tracks ALL of our lives are horribly incomplete

If they ever get remastered when/if Prince gets the masters back, it would be quite fair to have a bonus CD with Prince's renditions of these albums (and same goes for The Family, Jill Jones, etc...)! It would DEFINITELY boost their commercial appeal and besides I can't wait to hear Prince singing Nasty Girl .

AhPook said:

Wasn't there talks of T having a copy of 17 Days Ext Vers?

erik319 said:

AhPook said:

To me this is the most intriguing post on the .org right now. I find the notion that there's a small group of collectors hoarding their loot completely fascinating. They drop a gem every few years as a big fuck you just to remind us that they have the good stuff.

Surely a bigger 'fuck you' would be to not release anything? I'm greatful for any new release. Why have such a negative view of collectors? They've clearly paid top dollar to get this stuff & from time to time we get to hear some. If you have an issue with it, may I suggest you become a collector, pay top dollar & share. Be the change you want to see in the world.

It's true that collectors don't OWE us anything.

I agree: if I don't hear anything new from Prince in my life (official or not), I still have hundreds, if not thousands, of tracks to listen to. Among them some of the most exciting music I've ever heard. That's already a lot. I don't really *need* more. But I think this idea of very rare outtakes circulating only among a "mysterious" circle of collectors is quite fascinating. It's part of what makes Prince exciting. For me, it has always been.

Also, I don't buy into this idea that Prince is necessarily releasing his excellent stuff and keeping his sub-par stuff to himself. He doesn't work that way. Yes, sure, on average, what he releases is *way* better than his outtakes, but take his "bottom 10" released songs and his top 10 unreleased songs and it's obvious he has aces up his sleeve. Maybe not that many, but the idea that we might not have heard the best unreleased songs yet is intriguing.

What I'd like to hear:

• the Flesh sessions
• the Miles Davis sessions, *if* they exist ("I've actually recorded some indescribable music with Miles Davis -- long improvisations that I will release at some point" - Prince, 1998)
• anything from 1985-86

And then there are the live recordings...

olb99 said:

I agree: if I don't hear anything new from Prince in my life (official or not), I still have hundreds, if not thousands, of tracks to listen to. Among them some of the most exciting music I've ever heard. That's already a lot. I don't really *need* more. But I think this idea of very rare outtakes circulating only among a "mysterious" circle of collectors is quite fascinating. It's part of what makes Prince exciting. For me, it has always been.

Also, I don't buy into this idea that Prince is necessarily releasing his excellent stuff and keeping his sub-par stuff to himself. He doesn't work that way. Yes, sure, on average, what he releases is *way* better than his outtakes, but take his "bottom 10" released songs and his top 10 unreleased songs and it's obvious he has aces up his sleeve. Maybe not that many, but the idea that we might not have heard the best unreleased songs yet is intriguing.

What I'd like to hear:

• the Flesh sessions
• the Miles Davis sessions, *if* they exist ("I've actually recorded some indescribable music with Miles Davis -- long improvisations that I will release at some point" - Prince, 1998)
• anything from 1985-86

And then there are the live recordings...

Very doubtful according to Alan Leeds, who says that there's hardly any way this could have happened without him knowing about it. But who knows...

BigChick said:

I wouldn't necessarily consider these songs to be in Bootleg circles (Since a bootlegger would have put them out) but I would say in the hands of serious collectors who had some excellent connections to people that were around Prince in some way. If say Alan Ledds had unreleased songs and alt. versions you wouldn't really consider him to be a bootlegger.There's numerous reasons why some of these tracks haven't surfaced but mainly to protect the person who originally had the tracks since they were doing the collector a solid and some of the tracks could be traced back to the person who had it(especially since if it was on a WB X-reference cassette .

Heres a short but not complete list of tracks that I have listened to that are in collectors hands.

- Housequake #1- A raw demo mix with a different vocal take and different production. This could possibly be the version that was placed on the Camille album. Not to be confused with the Razorback remix.

-Lovesexy Commericial #1 & #2- these are 2 and a half minute tracks that are kinda protypes of the "Shake(the Boom mix)", "2 Whom it May Concern", and "Free the music". The music is totally original and has a very hypnotic groove which sounds somewhere in between a "Positivity" and "Dopeamine Rush Suite" along with the "Water Coda" ending vibe kinda groove. Prince speaks in a low voiced tone the album and song titles and also some lyrics. Theres also samples from the songs as well. The difference in the 2 versions is really what Prince says. The music track is the same. Really Great for what they are.

-Paris 17984530, Uncle Sam & the Halls of Desire- The guide tracks for the songs that appeared on the Tevin Campbell "I'm Ready" album. The backing tracks are the same but with Prince's vocal. "Uncle Sam" has a really good heartfelt delivery.

-We March #1- This has a completly different backing track which is essentially "Free The Music". The vocals are also different but the lyrics are the same.

-Standing at the Altar-Same backing track but with Prince's vocals.

- Bloody Mouth- An utempo track that shares alot in common with "Alphabet St." since there are at least three parts sampled from the track that wound up in 'Alphabet St."(The "put your love down baby" part) "Im gonna hit U in your Bloody Mouth"

-Pink Cashmere #2- Same as one but with a rawer sounding guitar solo and the "Water Coda" from the end of "Positivity" and the "Grafitti Bridge" album.

There's more that I will post about later.

Peace

Big Chick

"Security Ensuring Thee"

[Edited 9/4/13 13:23pm]

THANK YOU!!!

It seems that a new outtake from 1985 Come Elektra Tuesday is on circulation among a little circle!

Come Elektra Tuesday

is an unreleased song recorded on 26 May, 1985 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (two days after Hello, the same day as Heaven and Stella And Charles, two days before Polka-Dot Tiger).

The song features Jill Jones on background vocals.

It is unknown if this song was intended for any project at the time, but during Prince: A Celebration in June, 2000, computer screens at Paisley Park Studios offered names of a selection of tracks which users could vote on for inclusion on Crystal Ball Volume II, but Come Elektra Tuesday was not chosen by fans, and the project was ultimately abandoned.

http://princevault.com/in...ra_Tuesday

PS>Sorry i did not hear the song & i don't own it!!

I'm listening to Tevin's I'm Ready and God I realize that I love P's songs on this and that I'd love to hear P's renditions

databank said:

I'm listening to Tevin's I'm Ready and God I realize that I love P's songs on this and that I'd love to hear P's renditions

Agreed. The associated artists albums from that era, broadly speaking 91-93, contain some quite brilliant Prince tracks, which he strangely just gave away (especially strange given that they would have potentially immeasurably strengthened his own works)!

love2thenines2003 said:

It seems that a new outtake from 1985 Come Elektra Tuesday is on circulation among a little circle!

Come Elektra Tuesday

is an unreleased song recorded on 26 May, 1985 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (two days after Hello, the same day as Heaven and Stella And Charles, two days before Polka-Dot Tiger).

The song features Jill Jones on background vocals.

It is unknown if this song was intended for any project at the time, but during Prince: A Celebration in June, 2000, computer screens at Paisley Park Studios offered names of a selection of tracks which users could vote on for inclusion on Crystal Ball Volume II, but Come Elektra Tuesday was not chosen by fans, and the project was ultimately abandoned.

http://princevault.com/in...ra_Tuesday

PS>Sorry i did not hear the song & i don't own it!!

Is this an assumption or you've been told this?

SpiritOtter said:

databank said:

I'm listening to Tevin's I'm Ready and God I realize that I love P's songs on this and that I'd love to hear P's renditions

Agreed. The associated artists albums from that era, broadly speaking 91-93, contain some quite brilliant Prince tracks, which he strangely just gave away (especially strange given that they would have potentially immeasurably strengthened his own works)!

He seems to have been aware of it cuz he took back some of them - even though some ended-up unreleased: Shhh! but also the NPG's Super Hero and Love... Thy Will Be Done, and Mayte's If Eye Love U 2Nite, Love's No Fun and If I Could Get Your Attention.

This being said his own catalogue was quite full as it was anyway: I can hardly see where he'd have put any additional song sang by himself or one of his "puppets", so some gems had to be given away to others, or left in the vault as always...

databank said:

SpiritOtter said:

Agreed. The associated artists albums from that era, broadly speaking 91-93, contain some quite brilliant Prince tracks, which he strangely just gave away (especially strange given that they would have potentially immeasurably strengthened his own works)!

He seems to have been aware of it cuz he took back some of them - even though some ended-up unreleased: Shhh! but also the NPG's Super Hero and Love... Thy Will Be Done, and Mayte's If Eye Love U 2Nite, Love's No Fun and If I Could Get Your Attention.

This being said his own catalogue was quite full as it was anyway: I can hardly see where he'd have put any additional song sang by himself or one of his "puppets", so some gems had to be given away to others, or left in the vault as always...

He could have simply released a new record, ballads only for example, called OPEN BOOK, featuring tracks like Open Book, I Hear Your Voice, Shhh! (an original version), Love...They Will Be Done, If Eye Love U 2Nite, Allegiance, Get Blue, Pink Cashmere, Empty Room, The Grand Progression etc etc etc. Or perhaps more realistically, he could have simply laced his somewhat overbloated and unfocussed Graffiti Bridge, D&P and LoveSymbol albums with these more superior songs (taking off things like Release It, Round and Round, Love Machine, The Latest Fashion, Daddy Pop, Jughead, Push, Arrogance and The Flow etc etc etc).

SpiritOtter said:

databank said:

He seems to have been aware of it cuz he took back some of them - even though some ended-up unreleased: Shhh! but also the NPG's Super Hero and Love... Thy Will Be Done, and Mayte's If Eye Love U 2Nite, Love's No Fun and If I Could Get Your Attention.

This being said his own catalogue was quite full as it was anyway: I can hardly see where he'd have put any additional song sang by himself or one of his "puppets", so some gems had to be given away to others, or left in the vault as always...

He could have simply released a new record, ballads only for example, called OPEN BOOK, featuring tracks like Open Book, I Hear Your Voice, Shhh! (an original version), Love...They Will Be Done, If Eye Love U 2Nite, Allegiance, Get Blue, Pink Cashmere, Empty Room, The Grand Progression etc etc etc. Or perhaps more realistically, he could have simply laced his somewhat overbloated and unfocussed Graffiti Bridge, D&P and LoveSymbol albums with these more superior songs (taking off things like Release It, Round and Round, Love Machine, The Latest Fashion, Daddy Pop, Jughead, Push, Arrogance and The Flow etc etc etc).

Mmmh... I'm not sure about all that

databank said:

SpiritOtter said:

He could have simply released a new record, ballads only for example, called OPEN BOOK, featuring tracks like Open Book, I Hear Your Voice, Shhh! (an original version), Love...They Will Be Done, If Eye Love U 2Nite, Allegiance, Get Blue, Pink Cashmere, Empty Room, The Grand Progression etc etc etc. Or perhaps more realistically, he could have simply laced his somewhat overbloated and unfocussed Graffiti Bridge, D&P and LoveSymbol albums with these more superior songs (taking off things like Release It, Round and Round, Love Machine, The Latest Fashion, Daddy Pop, Jughead, Push, Arrogance and The Flow etc etc etc).

Mmmh... I'm not sure about all that

No, nor am I.

love2thenines2003 said:

It seems that a new outtake from 1985 Come Elektra Tuesday is on circulation among a little circle!

Come Elektra Tuesday

is an unreleased song recorded on 26 May, 1985 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (two days after Hello, the same day as Heaven and Stella And Charles, two days before Polka-Dot Tiger).

The song features Jill Jones on background vocals.

It is unknown if this song was intended for any project at the time, but during Prince: A Celebration in June, 2000, computer screens at Paisley Park Studios offered names of a selection of tracks which users could vote on for inclusion on Crystal Ball Volume II, but Come Elektra Tuesday was not chosen by fans, and the project was ultimately abandoned.

http://princevault.com/in...ra_Tuesday

PS>Sorry i did not hear the song & i don't own it!!

Did anyone say what it sounds like at least? fast? Slow?

Somebody please leak the 12 inch version of Ballad of Dorothy Parker. That's all I ask of you.

paisleypark4 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

It seems that a new outtake from 1985 Come Elektra Tuesday is on circulation among a little circle!

Come Elektra Tuesday

is an unreleased song recorded on 26 May, 1985 at Sunset Sound, Hollywood, CA, USA (two days after Hello, the same day as Heaven and Stella And Charles, two days before Polka-Dot Tiger).

The song features Jill Jones on background vocals.

It is unknown if this song was intended for any project at the time, but during Prince: A Celebration in June, 2000, computer screens at Paisley Park Studios offered names of a selection of tracks which users could vote on for inclusion on Crystal Ball Volume II, but Come Elektra Tuesday was not chosen by fans, and the project was ultimately abandoned.

http://princevault.com/in...ra_Tuesday

PS>Sorry i did not hear the song & i don't own it!!

I've known about Come Elektra Tuesday, Stella And Charles, and Polka-Dot Tiger for years, but I've never actullay heard them. 1985 is by far my favorite Prince writing period.

....what a brotha wouldn't do....

[Edited 9/20/13 7:24am]

tbag said:

Somebody please leak the 12 inch version of Ballad of Dorothy Parker. That's all I ask of you.

YES!

Theres some really good ones and some bad ones. I have an excellent set called "Princes Ivault" aldo known as the Work 2.0 and other names, its a series of folders for each years with alternative versions and unreleased jams. About 600 songs in all and some are excellent. All the usual suspects are there like Electric Intercourse, Moonbeam Levels and Xtra Lovable, along with versions of we can funk, feel up and heaps of others.

Some of the songs are so good, you will wonder why they never saw the light of day like Grand Progression, wonderful ass and the famous Billy and 15 minute mix of "Computer Blue".

After that are live shows like "Makings of Rain" the show where he debuted several of the Purple Rain cuts and Wendy Melvoin on guitar. He also played a mind blowing version of Electric Intercourse and it was pretty much his greatest show ever.

Another fave is the JULY 18 1986 mix of Dream Factory with Train, All of my dreams, some camille and SOTT era songs on it. Another good one is Charade with Others here with us and the original version of Old friends 4 sale amongst others.

Bootlegs are fun, but don't ever advertise or post links to them here though.

Adorecream said:

Theres some really good ones and some bad ones. I have an excellent set called "Princes Ivault" aldo known as the Work 2.0 and other names, its a series of folders for each years with alternative versions and unreleased jams. About 600 songs in all and some are excellent. All the usual suspects are there like Electric Intercourse, Moonbeam Levels and Xtra Lovable, along with versions of we can funk, feel up and heaps of others.

Some of the songs are so good, you will wonder why they never saw the light of day like Grand Progression, wonderful ass and the famous Billy and 15 minute mix of "Computer Blue".

After that are live shows like "Makings of Rain" the show where he debuted several of the Purple Rain cuts and Wendy Melvoin on guitar. He also played a mind blowing version of Electric Intercourse and it was pretty much his greatest show ever.

Another fave is the JULY 18 1986 mix of Dream Factory with Train, All of my dreams, some camille and SOTT era songs on it. Another good one is Charade with Others here with us and the original version of Old friends 4 sale amongst others.

Bootlegs are fun, but don't ever advertise or post links to them here though.

Ivault and Work It 2.0 are different sets but are both very good and feature some different songs.

Vannormal said:

Don't know if this is old news, but the EXTENDED version of Prince and Miles Davis' "Can I Play With U", I recently discovered is so awesome and Stunning !!! (It's miss spelled "Can't I Play With U" though...) Quality is fairly good to great. Its not to compare with the awful quality (short) version from any earlier boots. I think it's even a different take, at least that's how it sounds to me. Someone should correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm talking about the 6:17 version !!! It's refreshing to hear Miles his trumpet all over it. Also the second part with loads of breaks and bridges is so awesome ! From 2:28 on there's a cool Miles part with jazzy breaks, great Eric Leeds sax. And from 3:34 there's a superb melodic Miles solo with Eric's baritone sax as bass, accompanied with a sparse drum and eerie synth part... (Cant help but say that I love the old days sound. It remains so fresh.) Ongoing from 4:09 is an incredible speeded up guitar and bass solo by Prince, like in Love Or $. Drum sound is similar to Alexa De Paris. All over the song are Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss horn parts that are more exciting than anything the NPG horns ever did (IMHO). From 5:22 there's new lyrics by Prince that bring the song in splendid chaos and jazz to a incredible build up and climax ! Let me try to write the lyrics from this part: "Look at here... In times of desire Baby, U light me up Fuck any way U want 2 I can be... Up ...(can't figure this part) Brother's gonna rock the house. Gonna tie Ur hands behind Ur back, Make U scream and shout Get on the dance floor Going round and round Love Ur body all the way up All the way down Baby baby baby baby. ba-by ba-by ba-by yeah ! Can I play with U mama (Long scream, and) No !" (this is the exact same "No" shout as used for the intro scream of "Alphabet St.") Absolutely DON'T understand why this great song never saw the light of day. (If Ur interested, I found it on the 'Alt vol 3 disc 1') This is info about it from PrinceVault : "The longer version of the track was planned for release (credited to "Miles Davis with Prince") as the twelfth track on a 2001 box-set of Miles Davis's Warner Bros. work, entitled The Last Word, but the track was not included on the eventual 2-disc 2010 release, titled Perfect Way."

yes unfortunately it is. i really like it. I've stuck it at the end of Box O Chocolates.

Vannormal said:

Don't know if this is old news, but the EXTENDED version of Prince and Miles Davis' "Can I Play With U", I recently discovered is so awesome and Stunning !!!

Yes it is! For some reason Eric Leeds didn't like it. He preferred Sticky Wicked.