1) Although maybe via the fingers of an ignorantly brainwashed bot with a cataract in that third eye, that was Prince typing to this Serpan fellow. / 2) Anyone calling Prince an "asshole" all of a sudden is about 5, no, 25 years late. / 3) Musically accomplished notwithstanding, Prince has been an "asshole" for a very long time, damn-near his entire career. Therefore this latest episode of him shooting an ardent [ / 4) LOL @ Prince-apologists just now realizing that Prince is indeed an "asshole!" An arrogant, patronizing, self-righteous "asshole" at that, who doesn't care about how "all y'all Purple people" feel either, even after you've massaged, licked, and then paid his damn feet. / 5) And speaking of that "Purple" nonsense, various nouns are often labeled with that color by the offensively defensive fans around here because of Prince's conceit-filled song lyrics: Purple music...Purple party...Purple hippie...Purple damn Yoda (LucasFilm: Where's YOUR Cease & Desist?). Well...how's that slimy, scalding, Purple egg on your faces? | |
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I for one will no longer be attending these LIve Stream shows. I have no time for power hungry, petty, ill mannered starlets. And as for Prince? He's done this his whole career, but for me...I've had enough. #boycott3EG Keenmeister | |
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It reads to me like the boss from the movie Office Space. "That's when stars collide. When there's space for what u want, and ur heart is open wide." | |
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SpiritOtter,
UR clearly on point. I agree with ur observation.
I can understand Prince's need to keep younger people around. It is the energy that motivates creativity in both the giver and receiver. However, to have inexperience in charge is not the wisest of moves, which was clearly evident in that exchange. As u pointed out it was emotional and to me very very immature. That could have been and should have been handled professionally and way more maturely.
Prince may want to consider peppering his management with people who at least can set some boundaries lest they get out of control like that again. It only reflects badly on him and his brand. Now is also not the time to loose fans no matter how many there are at present. | |
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Oh well. But anyone else is making better music anyway, so...
He might need a Rolling-Stones-Opening-Act moment again. Hey loudmouth, shut the fuck up, right? | |
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Jessie,
You know I have got mad props for you, but really? Let me offer another potential line of thought. I know you can go deeper than the surface.
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"yeaaaaaa.... ummmm, Im gonna need you to come in on your day off..." | |
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3EG seems to be on target with this one, but 3EG should have handled it better and with class. I totally feel for Serp too. You get excited about an artist and you want to share it with the world. But the artist doesn't. So, do what your artist wants, not what you want. 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment | |
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EyeJester7said: I think we all could benefit from the use of 'Context'. We can exhuast this from the perspective, that 3EG intention is to be mean. I don't think that was intended.
Honestly, I have zero beef with 3EG, the concept, the potential and the majority of the reality. However, irrespective of whether that 3rdEyeGirl representative's actions were intended to be mean, the subjective reality and phenomenological response from a small but critical mass of independent thinkers surely demonstrates that at the very least - intended or otherwise - there is a professional approach to PR and LEGAL matters and there is this particular 3rdEyeGirl's representative's approach. I honestly do NOT care if his/her approach was intended to be mean, the subjective reality is that it has been perceived by many independent thinkers as defamatory, condescending, distasteful and childish. The unfortunate consequence for Prince is that these types of words (and far more obscene ones) are now concurrently being utilised about him as a result of this representative's actions at a time when, in another reality, Prince has just delivered to his customer base (fans) - free of charge - a quite supreme 100 minute blend of music from other artists, heavenly conceived and executed. So, intended or not, the actions of the 3rdEyeGirl's representative destroyed that goodwill gesture on Prince's part to the point that few are now willing to focus on the music or the goodwill because an unprofessional approach (and I am being polite) was used. It speaks of an amateur, not befitting Prince's stature. * So, the question then becomes less about intention and more about the consequence of this representative's ill-conceived and ill-thought out actions, especially with regards the potentially debilitating effect it can have upon a celebrity's artistic brand, which Prince himself has spent quite some time (decades, even) creating and cultivating. Furthermore, if you extrapolate from this potentially isolated and minor incident to another reality consisting of similar minor AND major incidents spanning over 10 year's worth of PR mistakes with regards to substantive legal issues, which would have been better handled by a professional team, it becomes difficult to imagine that Prince would enjoy the consequences of these actions, regardless of whether one's intentions remain noble (and that particular aspect is subject for debate, in this particular representative's case, anyhow). I understand Prince's desire for artistic rights to be protected, but how can anyone respect that cause if such consistent, systematically appalling, methods of communication are deployed to achieve results. A relative small investment in time and money towards a professional team of PR, Communication and Legal experts, would have reaped significant financial reward and emotional goodwill from his customer base (fans). However, a lack of foresight and regard about this matter has it would now appear resulted in THIS type of behaviour with THESE types of unintended consequences. From a purely business perspective, it is a disaster. I shall reserve my comments about what this might suggest from a spiritual perspective, but needless to say, it is equally not good. * Surely, Jessie, you can understand this potential line of thought? In fact, I know you well enough from afar to know that you can and do understand. It doesn't mean you are any less of a fan, friend or person for critiquing Prince's methods, but when it's time to call a spade a spade, you can't hide behind potention intentions, when the consistent consequences of these types of actions are so devasting for over a decade (even if the devastation is inflicted upon just one soul, in this case, Serpan). The right kind of actions are required and to deliver the right kind of results for Prince, it would be better for him to take advice from a professional team (and not an amateur one), especially given that he will no doubt often be made aware of the difficulties of operating as an independent artist in a largely unthanking and unforgiving world of business. * Cue the music: THE WALK...as the Otter walks off into the sunset to take a splash in the sea before himself being confronted by the 3rdEyeGirl representative (who does indeed sound like Jar Jar Binks).
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I only got into 3EGTV through Serpan & reading what I missed.
They say they want a small audience, then they'll get their wish, because it's -1 from me.
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I must be getting old, but how sweet, the beauty of youth and innocence. You still rock, Jessie.
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i know what you mean, it was the same for me.
so now it's back to reading about it on prince's official site.
oh, wait.....
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We almost had that situation after that lame Cologne gig in 2011
Hmm, i think you might be right, i guess i will bring some tomtatos to next concert that i will attend...
He just deserves it !! [Edited 7/28/13 3:09am] "ohYeeeeeah" said: I'm a massive Bowie fan. Even on Scary Monsters, I always skip Fame ... | |
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I don't deny that it could have been handled better by Prince or his "team," but if someone has been telling you--the fans in general and not Serpan--not to do something and you consistently do it, then how else do you expect them to react? If I touch a hot stove after I was told not to touch it and get burned, whose fault is that really? And, yes, I don't understand the "emotion" of it all when someone has made it clear what they want and don't want from their fans. After this has been made clear, it just becomes time to "move on" or find an artist that wants the same relationship with one's fans that the fan desires to have.
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* Then, go enjoy someone else and stop wasting time worrying about Prince and his issues. And, remember, what you call crossing the line with Prince's behavior can be seen by him as being tired of having to tell people what type of relationship he wants to have with his fans or what he does not need or want his fans to do. How many times does he have to say, "Don't do ______," before people get the message. And, since you and I have been fans for about the same amount of time, you should know what he wants by now and do as you just stated--find somebody else to enjoy rather than wasting time complaining about the same ole same ole. | |
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Do we know for sure that Serpan has been contacted by Princes legal team prior this?
In the chat Serpan stated that nobody had contacted him... "ohYeeeeeah" said: I'm a massive Bowie fan. Even on Scary Monsters, I always skip Fame ... | |
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Ain't nobody trying to take up for Prince. It's just that some of us don't care to build no personal relationship with Prince. He's been making it clear for years what he wants and does not want. Whether it is right for him to want something or not want something is one thing. But, for years he's said verbally and through his actions what he wants and doesn't want from fans. So, if you continue to do what someone has consistently told you he doesn’t want you to do, even if you think it will help him, what reactions do you think you will get? I’ll keep saying it. Only a child puts their hand on a hot stove and then is surprised when it burns them. How about stop putting your hand on the hot ass stove?
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SpiritOtter said: EyeJester7said: I think we all could benefit from the use of 'Context'. We can exhuast this from the perspective, that 3EG intention is to be mean. I don't think that was intended.
Honestly, I have zero beef with 3EG, the concept, the potential and the majority of the reality. However, irrespective of whether that 3rdEyeGirl representative's actions were intended to be mean, the subjective reality and phenomenological response from a small but critical mass of independent thinkers surely demonstrates that at the very least - intended or otherwise - there is a professional approach to PR and LEGAL matters and there is this particular 3rdEyeGirl's representative's approach. I honestly do NOT care if his/her approach was intended to be mean, the subjective reality is that it has been perceived by many independent thinkers as defamatory, condescending, distasteful and childish. The unfortunate consequence for Prince is that these types of words (and far more obscene ones) are now concurrently being utilised about him as a result of this representative's actions at a time when, in another reality, Prince has just delivered to his customer base (fans) - free of charge - a quite supreme 100 minute blend of music from other artists, heavenly conceived and executed. So, intended or not, the actions of the 3rdEyeGirl's representative destroyed that goodwill gesture on Prince's part to the point that few are now willing to focus on the music or the goodwill because an unprofessional approach (and I am being polite) was used. It speaks of an amateur, not befitting Prince's stature. * So, the question then becomes less about intention and more about the consequence of this representative's ill-conceived and ill-thought out actions, especially with regards the potentially debilitating effect it can have upon a celebrity's artistic brand, which Prince himself has spent quite some time (decades, even) creating and cultivating. Furthermore, if you extrapolate from this potentially isolated and minor incident to another reality consisting of similar minor AND major incidents spanning over 10 year's worth of PR mistakes with regards to substantive legal issues, which would have been better handled by a professional team, it becomes difficult to imagine that Prince would enjoy the consequences of these actions, regardless of whether one's intentions remain noble (and that particular aspect is subject for debate, in this particular representative's case, anyhow). I understand Prince's desire for artistic rights to be protected, but how can anyone respect that cause if such consistent, systematically appalling, methods of communication are deployed to achieve results. A relative small investment in time and money towards a professional team of PR, Communication and Legal experts, would have reaped significant financial reward and emotional goodwill from his customer base (fans). However, a lack of foresight and regard about this matter has it would now appear resulted in THIS type of behaviour with THESE types of unintended consequences. From a purely business perspective, it is a disaster. I shall reserve my comments about what this might suggest from a spiritual perspective, but needless to say, it is equally not good. * Surely, Jessie, you can understand this potential line of thought? In fact, I know you well enough from afar to know that you can and do understand. It doesn't mean you are any less of a fan, friend or person for critiquing Prince's methods, but when it's time to call a spade a spade, you can't hide behind potention intentions, when the consistent consequences of these types of actions are so devasting for over a decade (even if the devastation is inflicted upon just one soul, in this case, Serpan). The right kind of actions are required and to deliver the right kind of results for Prince, it would be better for him to take advice from a professional team (and not an amateur one), especially given that he will no doubt often be made aware of the difficulties of operating as an independent artist in a largely unthanking and unforgiving world of business. * Cue the music: THE WALK...as the Otter walks off into the sunset to take a splash in the sea before himself being confronted by the 3rdEyeGirl representative (who does indeed sound like Jar Jar Binks).
[Edited 7/28/13 3:43am] ...every night another symphony... | |
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Seeing as 3EG are so big on copyright infringement, I'd be interested to know if rights were cleared to play this music and respective writers/performers/family received royalty payments owed for the broadcast... Otherwise, 3EG would be being incredibly hypocritical (not that Prince hasn't been guilty of that in the past).
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* I never said that Serpan had been contacted by Prince or Prince's legal team prior to this point. If you read clearly, you will notice that I typed "the fans in general not Serpan". Thus, I said that Prince has made it clear to "his fans" for years that he does not want people doing what Serpan has been doing. Whether I agree with Prince or not is not the issue for me. If someone tells you not to do something and you continue doing it, how do you expect them to react? | |
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This is a whole other level of arrogant craziness, and blatantly obvious that was Prince talking down to him.
Serpan's right when he said the thrill has gone. When an artist turns from a visionary into a revisionary, and starts acting like his "real fans" are some kind of exclusive cult then it's over. I never thought i'd ever hear myself say this, but after 30 years of supporting this deluded idiot, i'm done. | |
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I expect them to react professional and with just a little bit of class! But thats probably too much to ask for from a grumpy old and washed-up midget...
Prince is not god, this is not a sect, he's not our cult-leader! Life is no picnic!
The best part is where the compare the "symbol" to the "Coca Cola" logo
It's some sort of miracle that he got the copyright on this thing anyway, since it's just a plain copy of some century old alchemical symbols...
[Edited 7/28/13 4:41am] "ohYeeeeeah" said: I'm a massive Bowie fan. Even on Scary Monsters, I always skip Fame ... | |
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what the fuckity fuck? Serpan99 i think you rock. for sure i would have missed out on the paisley park parties had it not been for your 'heads up'. i'm grateful. as you know, i joined twitter specifically to follow your tweets. i know your goal was to promote the fun part of the new projects. sorry it turned out this way. don't let the legal bullshit get you down.
removing copyrighted and trademarked images is a legal requirement for the attorneys who maintain prince's business. i think they chose to tell you 'nicely' in person, instead of sending a cease and desist, letter.
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To the lame 1% of fans that keep trying to justify 3EG's/Princes lousy behavior, have a seat. What exactly has Prince asked his fans NOT to do that Serpan was guilty of? Aside from Serpan saying he did not get any personal memo from management, what has Serpan done except for being an enthusiastic, friendly, dedicated, loyal fan to Prince? He didnt deserve to be talked to that way no matter how you want to legitimize it. He was singled out, amongst thousands of other fans for using a symbol and forbidden to ever use it again. 3EG could have left it alone after the first "demand", but they chose to extend it further than necessary by the other 3 demands that were pompous and petty. I would feel humiliated if I were Serpan. | |
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The old customer service adage of "A satisfied customer will tell 1 person; a dissatisfied customer will ten 10 people" is amplified in this case. They'll lose hundreds of fans from this...not just because of the way they treated Serpan, but also because he was providing a service that's now gone. So what they've effectively done here, if I'm reading this correctly, is to NOT spread the word or tell a friend. Done. | |
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enough is enough, that fan treatment is ridiculous, lets quit!serpan | |
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Here's a thought: at the next Prince concert, just set up a "recycling" bin for all things Symbol. Necklaces, hats, shirts, etc. I doubt most fans would part with their collectibles, but it would send a message. | |
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^^ great idea
Also bring some tomatos just in case he says "We'll be here all night" just to end the concert 10 minutes later again "ohYeeeeeah" said: I'm a massive Bowie fan. Even on Scary Monsters, I always skip Fame ... | |
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