I don't have all the info on what went down, but I think the intention of 3EG was one of concern for Serpan and not one of malice. I saw Serpan type in livestream chat one day that he was not sleeping very much because he spent so much time there. And Yes, I also would check Serpans' pages for up-to-date Prince/3EG info after I had been away for days or longer. (Thank-you Serpan! ) But I'd rather do my own homework and know that Serpan is out enjoying life beyond Prince (at least a little more often than he was). I know most of us can't stay away for long, but it is good to take a breather, even a very brief one depending on the buzz PaisleyRose was here | |
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EXACTLY!!
Prince refuses to have any organized official news type presence on the internet. If it weren't for people like Serpan doing whatever it is they do to find out what's going on, and then making the effort to point it out places like here, very few of us would have ever known about 3EGTV, or many other recent Prince projects. Sure, some of this has made it to more mainstream news sources over the last several years, but often after the fact, once things are no longer available. Maybe he doesn't want amateur PR--but he doesn't seem interested in actually getting anyone to do the job for him professionally.
If Prince wants things to be private for a tiny invited few (which is what this kind of feels like, really)--just set up in the living room and invite a couple people over. But if he's gonna put it on Livestream--well. It ain't in his living room anymore. It's not like Serpan was telling "Hey, let's go stand on the lawn and look in Prince's windows." | |
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Ah....so it seems some of the fans are now riding the whole Serpan-is-a-stalker fan bus...lol
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If not for Serpan and a few other people, most of us (including me) would never have known about the livestreams. You get that, right? No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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I was responding to you, BobGeorge909 and Databank although Databank's quote didn't show.
My point is there are always several people writing as 3EG during a livestream. I agree there was one person writing to Serpan. Either Prince himself or someone typing for Prince ...every night another symphony... | |
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Exactly. I never would have known about the livestreams otherwise. And I am certainly not going anywhere near a 3EG chatroom after reading this thread. Finally, the P/3EG defenders who are trying to paint Serpan as a crazed stalker aren't fooling me. The passive/aggressiveness displayed towards him is sad. | |
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Nope. Let's look at the bolded sections. Prince has created a site 4 fans to have fun & participate in--yeah, sure. Prince has "created" a site (much like he created the symbol)--if you mean the Livestreams, yes, he's using a site to provide some streaming material, unpredictably, such that you have to be in front of your computer ready to go whenever he deigns to do anything--he has specifically chosen not to allow you to see it at other times by not providing the archiving option the site already has, and he's gotten all medieval on someone who did the horrible act of letting people know that something was happening on the site. Some fun--and then on a night when nothing horribly interesting was happening on the livestream, just to spice up the fun, the Prince-surrogate (if not Prince himself) decides to provide the entertaining spectacle of Serpan getting, as you put it "scolded" for his misbehavior. Scolded? Seriously--is Prince Serpan's mama? You don't scold another adult, no matter what you think about them. But you're right--that's almost exactly what happened. And that's a lot of what's wrong with what happened. It was completely inappropriate.
(If you mean the 3rdEye store site--yeah, he's had things like that before. Ooh--a store. How earthshattering. Now, if only he could put even a tiny bit of that "legacy" out there so people could buy it there. The symbol and some photos from the last year or two aren't his "Legacy". His legacy is 40 years of music and videos that he actively works to prevent people from having access to in decent legal ways. Go, Prince!)
You're right that Serpan isn't Prince's publicity agent--but he never pretended to be. He was a fan, who, when Prince did something interesting for other fans, committed the terrible crime of saying "Hey, guys! Check this out--Prince is doing something cool!" Goodness--how dare he? He's lucky they didn't pull out his tongue and poke out his eyes, isn't he?
So, Prince handpicked Dr. Funkenberry? For what, exactly? Is he Prince's press agent? If so, he's a pretty poor one, and he should really concentrate on improving his skills instead of his general bloggy activities. Or is he just a fan that Prince is deciding to use in some unofficial way for a few months and then turn on arbitrarily without warning? Depends--do you think Prince was really upset with Dr. F. putting up that Dance Electric 12-inch a while back? Or some other times when he tweeted things and then was told to kill the tweets? Will that be part of what Prince drags up when it's all over? I certainly hope not--that could turn ugly. But if he is handpicked as Prince's press agent now, I hope he puts him to better use.
The copyright issues? Well, you seem to recognize that they're just a ruse, since you didn't bring them up. But be aware that they are always there, and Prince will use the smallest thing to push a fight when he decides to. Make sure you don't change your avatar, which very cleverly uses the Rude Boy pin that we all associate with Prince, but that he took from someone else, so he can't sue you (or threaten to sue you). Smart move.
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Agreed, to me that sounds exactly like Prince. And he probably put a towel over his head while he typed it. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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And I will repeat my point, which is that I don't think many of us on here are all that surprised...but just because someone has a history of acting like a dick doesn't mean that they shouldn't be called on it.
Nothing surprising here, really. Prince treats his fans like second class citizens and his fans don't like it.
Sad, but not surprising. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Be real for a moment please?!!!!!that is a MOD account...hello?There's a punk in the midst, but that's because "THEY" think they are IN>.....Sheer Stupidity... | |
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Prince is not my friend? Who the heck here thinks he's their friend? I don't get what people are talking about here. Serpan wasn't trying to be Prince's friend--he was being a fan, sharing information with fans. All I think Prince should grow up and realize is that people can talk about what he's doing (as an artist--I only care about this because it prevents people from being able to talk about his performances/releases/streams) without him controlling it. Serpan wasn't sharing recordings or anything--he was just pointing people to Official sources (or as official as things get in Prince world) when something was happening there.
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If not for Serpan and a few other people, most of us (including me) would never have known about the livestreams. You get that, right? Oh no, that went over my head. I didnt understand that. Prince also said something to the effect that the livestreams were for the people who happened to be there. He didnt seemed concerend about the word being spreadspread. Thats what i got from the interview he did in regards to the streams and other thngs...its a sticky i believe. Edit: actually, it was on the front page. Hers what the article said: It is apparent in our conversation that he is having fun with the Livestream concept, which usually start late here in the West Coast, while on the East Coast, it is in the middle of the night. For overseas fans, they have been trying to make their sleeping schedules around it while for some it airs in the middle of the day. He doesn’t want to give people too much of a heads up about it.
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he did the live streams for the 100 people that were online and for the 10,000 which then turn to a bootlegger for a copy of the stream to view or listen to at a godly hour.
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Dang.
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The fact, and I do mean fact, that Prince has done this to many other individuals and organizations over the past twenty years renders your statement of a "single individual" as false. I'm not attacking you, but your points. Serpan is not the only person or group to whom this has happened. Additionally, Prince has also been consistently inconsistent on this issue, which is what makes it so difficult to know what is and what isn't ultimately acceptable. But, what has been consistent is that he has done this to others. So, based on your first sentence, the incident with Serpan is not bullying. Also, the length of the communication does not define something as bullying. Ultimately, the communication was rude but simple: stop using my imaging and stop helping me promote my work. I don't know how that is bullying, especially if the person making the request or demand has been widely known for making this demand for twenty years or more.
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Ah....so it seems some of the fans are now riding the whole Serpan-is-a-stalker fan bus...lol
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also, since the live stream is for 'the fans', wouldn't they rather have a couple thousand people tuning in rather than a shameful 46? we can't all be on iphone email allert 24/7 and jump out of bed at 4 am to watch half an hour's worth of music (well i happen to be able to do so, but still, most people can't or won't).
at first i felt very good about the streams. at least something was happening and with all those instrumental songs being premiered we've already got a small album's worth of stuff out of it. but wait, prince would disapprove of that
it's all so contradictory. here's new stuff. but don't record it. listen to it once and don't share it with other fans. and don't tell them about it. also, don't tell those who have jobs and can't hang around in a chatroom all night what we talked about the 3 minutes a representative of 3ETV actually showed up in the chat and freely answered questions.
because that information is clearly intended only for those in the chat, at that time and never to be repeated or reprinted anywhere. because it's our property, what we say in a chatroom.
once again, prince gives with one hand and then hits you in the face with the other. although i've been one of those who wore shades to work on monday morning and be all "oh no, no, i'm not a prince fan, i just fell down the stairs" i now just opt to not watch the streams or any other shit anymore as it is being played out 'in real time' but just get it from another source once it's neatly filed and catalogued and rather less tained by all the paisley drama
i wonder if other artists are this weird regarding their fans and these issues. i know artists who are selling hundreds of times more albums and singles than prince who release vinyl singles with bsides that are not available elsewhere and who simply don't give a fuck if a fan uploads an audio rip of the vinyl onto a discussion board dedicated to them. simply because they made their money selling a limited print of vinyl and then move on and are ok with all the other fans who didn't get a copy, to then get one for free. and that's just 1 lousy example.
prince isn't stingy with his material. on the one hand he's handing out new stuff on these streams. but i bet that if someone posted a link here to one of them, he'd rip out his hair and throw a world class fit.
it seems like he absolutely fails to see that fans of his music want his music. we don't want to illegally download it or have to even hear about it by word of mouth, we want to buy it and know everything about it. but he doesn't communicate.
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It's funny that when I have an appropriate answer for everything you asked/stated now I'm making more out of it than it is. You were the one who implied or inferred that I was attacking Serpan's character by responding with "Serpan is a stand up guy." I don't know anything that I posted that would warrant that reply from you. So, I'm definitely not the person making more of this than it is. And, yes, it's all good. There is no beef. I'mma keep doing my Mississippi Thang playa. And Prince may need to learn to respect his fans, but people in general need to learn that pit bulls always bite and that hot stoves burn. Prince is an ass whose been saying for years that he doesn’t want fans help with his imaging and promotion. Maybe this will be the straw that will cause more people to just engage the music or find an artist that wants the same help or following that many on this site desire to give.
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i can't believe this! well maybe i can. sucker isn't getting another dime from me until he learns to treat his fans - and FREE PROMOTERS - right. I'm DONE. My is 4Ever | |
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SHAME. That's what I feel. It saddens me to read these post. I think Serpan handled himself well with the request made by 3ig. I really think Prince and his people are wrong to treat his fans the way he does, cause if it wasn't for us he'd be nothing now. His music isn't being played on the radio or in clubs and most people doesn't even realize he's still making music or has a new band. Serpan posting information for people to read is getting the word out there that Prince is still around and has great music. He's telling folks to check it out. How rude to publicly call him out that way. Ask him to remove his pictures....um I maybe wrong but every picture taken of Prince and his bands is not owned by him. It maybe his image but magazines and news papers etc have the rights. So dumb to tell him that. I am so embarrassed to even admit at this moment that I am a fan or even like his music. I will not be going to livestream to get any information. I just don't care to know. Serg hang in there and know that we all appreciate all the info u have given us over the years and u didn't deserve to be disrespected that way in public or really in private. For years u have been giving the guy free press. He should be thanking u. And since he isn't .....I am.....Thank U Serg for letting me know about new music that was coming out or about an up coming concert I appreciate it. | |
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also, why isn't there a gif yet of prince shooting himself in the foot?
lord knows it could be put to good use around here
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Who or what is Serpan? | |
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hey Bria, how u doin' girl?
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I really don't understand how having 46 people check it out is "shameful." Of course, I don't pretend to know what's in Prince's mind, but y'all seem to be projecting onto Prince what y'all view as a successful project or number of followers and fans. Yet, it seems that Prince has a history of doing the thing that is quite anti to building a mass following, like choosing "If I Was your Girlfriend" as a single among other questioned moves, but it also seems that Prince can live with how he communicates or promotes his music to his fans. And if how he communicates or promotes his work to his fans is too limited or frustrating for those fans, then the logical thing would be to find an artist who communicates or promotes his music in a manner that one likes. If for the past twenty years Prince has said: “This is how I’m going to be and this is how I’m going to handle my business, take it or leave it,” and one is dissatisfied with how Prince consistently handles his business, then the best thing to do is just leave it. All this anger and stress over what another human being does with his art is just illogical.
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Ultimately, Prince retains the right to control and promote his art as he sees fit. That is his prerogative.
That's all there is to it.
Disgruntled fans will try and spin it negatively as per usual. But shit, look at the thread title.
It may not seem "right", or "fair", but bear in mind - Prince has a vision, and a plan for how we wants all this to work, and how he wants the information to be disseminated. He should have the freedom to execute that plan in the manner that he sees fit.
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IstenSzek said: also, why isn't there a gif yet of prince shooting himself in the foot?
lord knows it could be put to good use around here
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