1 show/night for production reasons. (for now)

riocoolnes said:

i wish the sampler set was the set and all the songs were played by the band and they sounded as good as the samples and he played the whole songs and even did the 12 " versions to a T ...

jackmitz said:

udo said:

So...

I read that mr P does the sampler set thing again in his 3rdeye girl shows in the USA.

Why would he do such a weak-ass move in smaller concert halls?

Can't the 3rdeye girl band do enough songs? Can't the 3rdeye girl band do songs well enough? Can't the 3rdeye girl band do two shows in one night? I mr P getting old? Or somethign I did not mention yet?

Please discuss.

The difference is that, on this tour, the sampler sets (at least the two that I saw) turned into crazy bass jams.

So it starts out karaoke, and then turns into pointless muso-wanking.

Funny how neither of those things were part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows.

BartVanHemelen said:

jackmitz said:

udo said: The difference is that, on this tour, the sampler sets (at least the two that I saw) turned into crazy bass jams.

So it starts out karaoke, and then turns into pointless muso-wanking.

Funny how neither of those things were part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows.

why should he copy his legendary 80s shows? Imo it actually makes sense that he treats some of it like a piece of history. It's just something he does for fun like he's being a dj playing some of the best music ever recorded . And if it entertains a bunch, why not?

crowd pleaser and in Vegas, it really went over well

one time he played a bit of Shockadelica but the crowd lost interest immediately and he skipped it

in my opinion, these shows are just a way to have fun, make some money and get the new band ready for larger venues

but yeah, I would rather them play all the songs because the people dancing on stage gets really old

BartVanHemelen said:

jackmitz said:

udo said: The difference is that, on this tour, the sampler sets (at least the two that I saw) turned into crazy bass jams.

So it starts out karaoke, and then turns into pointless muso-wanking.

Funny how neither of those things were part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows.

Weren't songs like Sign 'O' the Times, Forever in my life and I wish you heaven , all of which were performed to samples, part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows?

dualboot said:

I just heard the sampler set from 24-2 show 2. It's fun as it Prince DJ-ing and having fun and the crowd seems to love it. However, It's very gimmicky. This is typical Prince. Earlier in the show he jokes about lipsyncing (screwdriver) and 20 min later he starts doing music-syncing. If you want to play the songs, take the band to pull it off. In such a short show and location you can rock the roof of the joint with all 4 bandmembers that Fame along with the ride. It doesn't seem to fit the lol 3rd eye concept. Would be fun as a separate afterparty with Prince hosting. Like show 7 in Dakota. [Edited 4/30/13 21:36pm]

A lot of people are ignorant when it comes to music making and Production-

Prince made all those jams mostly by himself

in the studio and they have distictive sounds that

evoke images and memories the minute they are heard..

ala- the backwards guitar intro to When doves cry..

or the intro guitar strum of kiss..

or the beat to 777-9311 or

Nasty girl..

or the intro to If i were your girlfriend...

I see nothing wrong with Prince reminding his fans of all the amazing Jams he's created over the years..

Its Prince playing the Dj role for a bit and its all good with me.

[Edited 4/30/13 23:42pm]

EMPEROR101 said:

I see nothing wrong with Prince reminding his fans of all the amazing Jams he's created over the years..

But then do it in a band setting (like in 1995 which had quiet some sampling goign on) instead of this Casio setup that sometimes even requires a band member to hold a certain key down.

I saw five main shows last year in Australia, all of which included the sampler set. I really enjoyed the first one. But every one after that was pretty lame. Probably the only disappointing aspect of the entire 'Welcome 2' shows in my opinion. I'd rather he do a strictly piano or guitar set. But that's probably just me being greedy.

Piano sets are wasted time too; people can't keep their mouths shut as they are bored within 15 seconds and go for the loo or for beer.

I think this is your opinion..

Everytime i have seen him do this Live, Its gotten a huge rise out of the audience.

udo said:

EMPEROR101 said:

I see nothing wrong with Prince reminding his fans of all the amazing Jams he's created over the years..

But then do it in a band setting (like in 1995 which had quiet some sampling goign on) instead of this Casio setup that sometimes even requires a band member to hold a certain key down.

EMPEROR101 said:

I think this is your opinion..

Everytime i have seen him do this Live, Its gotten a huge rise out of the audience.

Sure. Does this say something positive about the 'performance'? Or something about the audience?

Now put that in this small try-out tour with 3rd eye girl and their 'rock' feel of the songs.

Why oh why waste time on a sampler set.

You want to showcase the new band, the new songs, so you have a sampler belch out parts of old songs. So apparently mr P has lost interest already with the 3rd eye girl concept, at least for the main part of the the freshness of the concept, and he is fusing them into his decade-old hits, hits I got so many hits show. And this, even at short shows in small venues...

This is at least getting boring. Just like Purple Rain at almost each and every show is.

It looks like P has really lost his focus.

How did P deploy his bumpsquad when the original new power trio was somewhat fresh to the world?

Please compare.

toejam said:

I saw five main shows last year in Australia, all of which included the sampler set. I really enjoyed the first one. But every one after that was pretty lame. Probably the only disappointing aspect of the entire 'Welcome 2' shows in my opinion. I'd rather he do a strictly piano or guitar set. But that's probably just me being greedy.

Does that say something about the quality of the sampler set? or does it say something about the prospect of going to see the same artist 5 times or more in a 2 week period on the same tour?

I thought it was cool when he first started doing it. It was just something that would change the "flow" of the sets, but it's gotten a bit old.

You know, hardware samplers are hardly even manufactured anymore.

errant said:

Replica said:

BartVanHemelen said:

So it starts out karaoke, and then turns into pointless muso-wanking.

Funny how neither of those things were part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows.

why should he copy his legendary 80s shows?

Oh look, you made up shit. Where did I say so?

Imo it actually makes sense that he treats some of it like a piece of history. It's just something he does for fun like he's being a dj playing some of the best music ever recorded . And if it entertains a bunch, why not?

For one, it violates his "real music by real musicians" BS.

paulludvig said:

BartVanHemelen said:

So it starts out karaoke, and then turns into pointless muso-wanking.

Funny how neither of those things were part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows.

Weren't songs like Sign 'O' the Times, Forever in my life and I wish you heaven , all of which were performed to samples, part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows?

None of these involved Prince Prince ACTUALLY TRIGGERING SAMPLES. Sheesh, yeah, some of these invovled sequencers etc, but they also involved actual people playing actual instruments.

In case you hadn't noticed, that's Dr Fink playing keyboards on SOTT live.

The Nude Tour's first couple of songs were all played to a relentless beat coming from a drum computer, but they also had Michael B playing on top of it and the rest of the band playing instruments.

Neither of these things are anything like Prince standing behing a keyboard and TRIGGERING SAMPLES.

EMPEROR101 said:

I think this is your opinion..

Everytime i have seen him do this Live, Its gotten a huge rise out of the audience.

So what? Since when is THAT the measure of a great show? Back in the 1980s Prince had the balls to stage large tours centered squarely around his latest album. Why do I get the feeling you'd be the kind of person who'd return from watching SOTT live bitching about Prince not playing enough of his hits? How come Prince's audience used to be so avant purple back in the days, and now it is ultra-conservative? No swearing cuz it needs to be kid-friendly, no "obscure" songs because the audience might get restless,...

BartVanHemelen said:

Replica said:

Oh look, you made up shit. Where did I say so?

Imo it actually makes sense that he treats some of it like a piece of history. It's just something he does for fun like he's being a dj playing some of the best music ever recorded . And if it entertains a bunch, why not?

For one, it violates his "real music by real musicians" BS.

I think that if the bulk of the actual show was him and his sampler, it would certainly be a violation. However, in this instance, I don't think it is. The bulk of the current shows is him and the girls doing it raw and no frills.

Forever In My Life, Sign, and Hot Thing start with the sample but the band joins in for the rest. Even some of the other extended tracks in the sampler set have band participation which wasn't always the case. But even if they didn't, the bulk of the show is him and the girls only.

I personally think the sampler set is tired. It does get good crowd reaction because for a second people think they are hearing their favorite song, but those of us who know better know that song isn't really coming. I think it causes more frustration in the end. I did think it was kind of cute the first time I heard it, though.

BartVanHemelen said:

paulludvig said:

Weren't songs like Sign 'O' the Times, Forever in my life and I wish you heaven , all of which were performed to samples, part of Prince's LEGENDARY 1980s shows?

None of these involved Prince Prince ACTUALLY TRIGGERING SAMPLES. Sheesh, yeah, some of these invovled sequencers etc, but they also involved actual people playing actual instruments.

In case you hadn't noticed, that's Dr Fink playing keyboards on SOTT live.

The Nude Tour's first couple of songs were all played to a relentless beat coming from a drum computer, but they also had Michael B playing on top of it and the rest of the band playing instruments.

Neither of these things are anything like Prince standing behing a keyboard and TRIGGERING SAMPLES.

So it's better if someone else triggers the samples?

Dr. Fink is standing there. Not sure how much he plays.

The band play on top of the samples on this tour as well.

Just some thoughts:

Would you be a happy camper when the whole show (90m+) was based on this principle (ie the sampler set as it the subject of this topic)

Is this something only longtime fans would appreciate?

Would you accept it from a fairly unknown new group you expect to see live (define live)?

Is it different from artists like Jamie Lidell, Stijn or Mika?

[Edited 5/1/13 6:53am]

dualboot said:

Just some thoughts:

Would you be a happy camper when the whole show (90m+) was based on this principle?

We saw that in 1995.

Is this something only longtime fans would appreciate?

Depends. At the time it was OK because of the new songs. Now it's different.

Would you accept it from a fairly unknown new group you expect to see live (define live)?

Depends on the show. I do not mind samples but they don't have to be much in the foreground. There have to me musicians playing other instruments besides the sampler.

Is it different from artists like Jamie Lidell, Stijn or Mika?

Didn't actuall see too much of them.

Stijn I got some audio from, Lidell was at Werchter?

Who is Mika?

Just because i said that it gets a huge rise out of the audience, that doesn't mean that i particularly like it myself.. I'm thinking about new or (younger fans) -

For instance, Lets say i take my niece who's 6 to see Prince and all she knows is Kiss and When Doves Cry..

What part of the show do you think will excite her most?

Thats what i was trying to say.

BartVanHemelen said:

EMPEROR101 said:

I think this is your opinion..

Everytime i have seen him do this Live, Its gotten a huge rise out of the audience.

So what? Since when is THAT the measure of a great show? Back in the 1980s Prince had the balls to stage large tours centered squarely around his latest album. Why do I get the feeling you'd be the kind of person who'd return from watching SOTT live bitching about Prince not playing enough of his hits? How come Prince's audience used to be so avant purple back in the days, and now it is ultra-conservative? No swearing cuz it needs to be kid-friendly, no "obscure" songs because the audience might get restless,...

[Edited 5/1/13 7:08am]

I hear you.

udo said:

EMPEROR101 said:

I think this is your opinion..

Everytime i have seen him do this Live, Its gotten a huge rise out of the audience.

Sure. Does this say something positive about the 'performance'? Or something about the audience?

Now put that in this small try-out tour with 3rd eye girl and their 'rock' feel of the songs.

Why oh why waste time on a sampler set.

You want to showcase the new band, the new songs, so you have a sampler belch out parts of old songs. So apparently mr P has lost interest already with the 3rd eye girl concept, at least for the main part of the the freshness of the concept, and he is fusing them into his decade-old hits, hits I got so many hits show. And this, even at short shows in small venues...

This is at least getting boring. Just like Purple Rain at almost each and every show is.

It looks like P has really lost his focus.

How did P deploy his bumpsquad when the original new power trio was somewhat fresh to the world?

Please compare.

BartVanHemelen said:

EMPEROR101 said:

I think this is your opinion..

Everytime i have seen him do this Live, Its gotten a huge rise out of the audience.

So what? Since when is THAT the measure of a great show? Back in the 1980s Prince had the balls to stage large tours centered squarely around his latest album. Why do I get the feeling you'd be the kind of person who'd return from watching SOTT live bitching about Prince not playing enough of his hits? How come Prince's audience used to be so avant purple back in the days, and now it is ultra-conservative? No swearing cuz it needs to be kid-friendly, no "obscure" songs because the audience might get restless,...

And his (arguably) greatest tour, Lovesexy, often played to half full arenas in the USA. Ballsy, yet it cost him big time.

skywalker said:

And his (arguably) greatest tour, Lovesexy, often played to half full arenas in the USA. Ballsy, yet it cost him big time.

Currently he is the other way 'round: stuff has to be efficient and low cost.

You see that in choice of local production (and failures like Geneva in 20ten).

Would he break even on the current LOL tour?

Isnt the sampler set more about appeasing the 'casual fans'?

I could do without the sampler set and have a full show of third eye girl rock n roll! But the casual fan would not like that and walk away wondering what happened to all the 'hits' he didnt play.

I see the sampler set as Prince trying to find some 'even ground' to satisfy both the enthusiasts (like me) and the casual fans.

Its a smart move on his part and also shows that he does aim to please the fans/fams. But as we all know , there will always be someobody bitching and complaining about one thing or another.