I just shared a video of this funky girl playing all kinds of craziness. At the end she plays and sings Prince's Lets Work. Im shocked at the performance of Jaco's Teen Town as well.

i'm not surprised... it's an insanely fun bassline to play

robertdroner said:

I just shared a video of this funky girl playing all kinds of craziness. At the end she plays and sings Prince's Lets Work. Im shocked at the performance of Jaco's Teen Town as well.

Prince needs to add Nik to 3rdeyedgirl....she would be great!!!

Nice of her to tribute P, but I thought it sounded a little sloppy. Ida kills her.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Nice of her to tribute P, but I thought it sounded a little sloppy. Ida kills her.

I think the difference is, that Nik West has personality in her stage presence and performance style vs Ida.

2elijah said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Nice of her to tribute P, but I thought it sounded a little sloppy. Ida kills her.

I think the difference is, that Nik West has personality in her stage presence and performance style vs Ida.

I'll give you that.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

2elijah said:

I think the difference is, that Nik West has personality in her stage presence and performance style vs Ida.

I'll give you that.

Cool. I think that for any musician who one day goes 'solo' and have to gain a fan base of their own, that stage presence/image, creativity and personality in your performance style, and of course how skilled you are as a musician, are usually what wins an audience over. That's why Prince survived successfullly as a musician/performer, all these years because he 'gets it', by knowing how to musically seduce and captivate his audience.

For example, out of all the female musicians in 3rdeyegirl, Donna is the one that stands out in my opinion. I'm not taking anything away from the other two, but Donna's image/and performance style shows some personality. Donna doesn't just 'stand there and play, if you know what I mean.

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can i get a link to meshell doin lets work....

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Nice of her to tribute P, but I thought it sounded a little sloppy. Ida kills her.

No.

Graycap23 said:

Not bad.....4 a girl.

actually women make better musicians than men due to the fact that their vaginas are hollow which creates a physical, and spiritual, resonance chamber giving rise to far more synchronous harmonies than a mere man could ever dream of achieving. thanks for listening.

XxAxX said:

Graycap23 said:

Not bad.....4 a girl.

actually women make better musicians than men due to the fact that their vaginas are hollow which creates a physical, and spiritual, resonance chamber giving rise to far more synchronous harmonies than a mere man could ever dream of achieving. thanks for listening.

You realize that Graycap was referencing Prince, right?

Doesn't matter. Two-spirits play better than either

2elijah said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Nice of her to tribute P, but I thought it sounded a little sloppy. Ida kills her.

I think the difference is, that Nik West has personality in her stage presence and performance style vs Ida.

Music sucks today because people think this crap matters. Prince was the rare one that had looks and stage presence. Others use their looks and stage presence to make up for a lack of skill. I don't know anything about Nik West and my crappy computer speakers here at work are not giving me enough low-end to hear what she's doing - maybe she's good - but I don't think looks, personality, stage presence and ESPECIALLY dance moves are things that need to be considered when discussing musical skill.

*I think it all depends on what Prince considers acceptable. I don't think Nik had that much more stage presence, than her look. But I don't think her playing by itself is more 'stylish' than Ida, I think Ida can tap Nik easily, and BrownMark hearing him play Let's Work at the Bobby Z reunion last year ...

* I think Ida is different when she is doing her own thing, vs being in Prince band

but she does get around on stage, but she still has a spot. But she isn't the frontman for the band.

*If you think about it, look at most of the bass players in the last 10yrs in Princes band

(Not talking about playing skills) but they are not giving lots of stage presence while in the band

* I mean keyboardist in the band can only do so much where they are,

*I think Ida's presence and her look stand out enough to accent her bass playing.

When I see images of the 3rd Eye ladies together, my visuals always settle on Ida

Her style is smoother, vs Nik or Donna. I could be mistaken, but guitar playing and cutting loose

is easier than bass playing, probably more expected too

* I also think it depends on the stage set up. Prince has been using that symbol stage set up for a while. And when Ida came in the band for the most part were stationed in particular areas. Most of the band was in a centralized area, Prince was free to move roam play

*I definately hear what 2Elijah is saying, especially if you take frontman to a band or group. But it would still vary according to the music style genre etc. For example Sade is a solo/frontman show but Sade style of music and her stage presence are perfect for her. She does her little moves, she doesn't 'Blow' she might play a little shaker/percussion, do a few moves, but she isn't going to do Chaka Khan. Because it's her music style.

* Luther Vandross or Celine Dion, their style musical genre presence and show should reflect them.

*Nik West as a frontman, and whatever the music style should reflect who she is.

* But Ida is not the frontman in Prince's group. And if she isn't the roll around on the ground and back throwing her head around while playing bass kinda person, then she shouldn't fake it.

I think her look and presence is strong in Prince's band. She compliments him.

*Rhonda had a more mellow stay pop in place presence too when in Prince's band.

steakfinger said:

2elijah said:

I think the difference is, that Nik West has personality in her stage presence and performance style vs Ida.

Music sucks today because people think this crap matters. Prince was the rare one that had looks and stage presence. Others use their looks and stage presence to make up for a lack of skill. I don't know anything about Nik West and my crappy computer speakers here at work are not giving me enough low-end to hear what she's doing - maybe she's good - but I don't think looks, personality, stage presence and ESPECIALLY dance moves are things that need to be considered when discussing musical skill.

I beg to differ on that bolded part. There are many musicians who have 'looks' to go with their talent, so that statement holds no water. Prince used his looks/image/dance music skills, creativity to gain the fan base he successfully achieved, and he was 'genius' at it

Not only did he have the gift of musical skills, but he knew how to use his body language/gestures/facial expressions/dance skills and other improvisations,within his stage performance and stage presence to seduce his audience, captivate them, and own their attention, which led to gaining a major fan base.

On the other hand, no one is saying that looks override talent although, someone probably needs to tell the folks in the music industry that, because it seems that looks are their main requirement, for many who hope to make it in that industry today. I am not saying you have to be beautiful to have talent or that your talent will be determined by your looks. I am talkiing about the way in which a musician/artist presents their talent, that will determine how successful they become. I just think you have to have the creative ability to know how to grasp your fanbase with your talent, in a way that sets you apart from others. That's usually how many musicians/artists stand out from everyone else. I think eventually, your creativity in how you present our talent, will be the determining factor in how successful you will become in your career.

Prince was smart enough to know that in order to gain the fan base he sought, not only did he have to be very good with his music skills, but how he presented himself as a musician/performer to gain that fan base and capture/maintain it, was also important. He not only used his music skills, but he incorporated his dance skills, and body language/gestures/facial expressions, how he sang his songs on stage, presented his music skills, and the mystery he kept of himself among fans, is just some of how he captivated and gained his fan base, and had them coming back and wanting more, which is why he has a history of being one of the best and most respected musicians/performers today. Imagine if he just 'stood there' and played the guitar, without injecting his other talent into his stage presence/performance I remember when leaving the MSG, when a W2A show ended, and hearing two fans talking about how 'captivating' Prince is, so apparently they left the show feeling that way about his performance.

My opinion of Nik West vs Ida was based on the few minutes of that video that I watched, and other vids of Nik. I compared that to Ida's performance that I saw at 3 W2A shows in NYC. My opinion of Ida's bass playing is not 'knocking or bashing Ida in anyway, it is constructive criticism. Obviously if Prince has her in his band, he is satisfied with her bass skills. When I saw her perform at those shows, I just felt she was missing a personality somewhat in her performance. She didn't give me the impression she was 'feeling the bass' so-to-speak, because she basically stayed in one spot and I can only remembrer her moving from that spot, when she walked across the stage when Prince was singing 'U Got the Look'. I saw her perform in 3 shows, and she did the same. Even a mannequin moves when the rack it's standing on shakes.

Here's another comparison. I have seen some clips of Donna Grantis performing and I like her guitar-playing style, because at least, she plays that guitar like she 'feels it' and she stands out among the 3 ladies of 3rdeyegirl.This is just my opinion, and it's fine if you don't agree with me, as I can respectfully agree to disagree.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:53pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

*I think it all depends on what Prince considers acceptable. I don't think Nik had that much more stage presence, than her look. But I don't think her playing by itself is more 'stylish' than Ida, I think Ida can tap Nik easily, and BrownMark hearing him play Let's Work at the Bobby Z reunion last year ...

* I think Ida is different when she is doing her own thing, vs being in Prince band

but she does get around on stage, but she still has a spot. But she isn't the frontman for the band.

*If you think about it, look at most of the bass players in the last 10yrs in Princes band

(Not talking about playing skills) but they are not giving lots of stage presence while in the band

* I mean keyboardist in the band can only do so much where they are,

*I think Ida's presence and her look stand out enough to accent her bass playing.

When I see images of the 3rd Eye ladies together, my visuals always settle on Ida

Her style is smoother, vs Nik or Donna. I could be mistaken, but guitar playing and cutting loose

is easier than bass playing, probably more expected too

* I also think it depends on the stage set up. Prince has been using that symbol stage set up for a while. And when Ida came in the band for the most part were stationed in particular areas. Most of the band was in a centralized area, Prince was free to move roam play

*I definately hear what 2Elijah is saying, especially if you take frontman to a band or group. But it would still vary according to the music style genre etc. For example Sade is a solo/frontman show but Sade style of music and her stage presence are perfect for her. She does her little moves, she doesn't 'Blow' she might play a little shaker/percussion, do a few moves, but she isn't going to do Chaka Khan. Because it's her music style.

* Luther Vandross or Celine Dion, their style musical genre presence and show should reflect them.

*Nik West as a frontman, and whatever the music style should reflect who she is.

* But Ida is not the frontman in Prince's group. And if she isn't the roll around on the ground and back throwing her head around while playing bass kinda person, then she shouldn't fake it.

I think her look and presence is strong in Prince's band. She compliments him.

*Rhonda had a more mellow stay pop in place presence too when in Prince's band.

That's cool, but I just have a different view on both bass players. I like the way Nik plays bass over Ida, just like I like Rhonda's bass playing over Ida's. Just like I like Sheila E's drumming skills over Cora's. Nothing personal. Good lawd...geez. I didn't realize some folks would get that upset with me paying compliment to Nik West. I didn't say Ida was a bad bass player, I just said I'm more impressed with Nik West's bass playing. It's just one person's view, not speaking for everyone else. It's all good.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:55pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

*I think it all depends on what Prince considers acceptable. I don't think Nik had that much more stage presence, than her look. But I don't think her playing by itself is more 'stylish' than Ida, I think Ida can tap Nik easily, and BrownMark hearing him play Let's Work at the Bobby Z reunion last year ...

* I think Ida is different when she is doing her own thing, vs being in Prince band

but she does get around on stage, but she still has a spot. But she isn't the frontman for the band.

*If you think about it, look at most of the bass players in the last 10yrs in Princes band

(Not talking about playing skills) but they are not giving lots of stage presence while in the band

* I mean keyboardist in the band can only do so much where they are,

*I think Ida's presence and her look stand out enough to accent her bass playing.

When I see images of the 3rd Eye ladies together, my visuals always settle on Ida

Her style is smoother, vs Nik or Donna. I could be mistaken, but guitar playing and cutting loose

is easier than bass playing, probably more expected too

* I also think it depends on the stage set up. Prince has been using that symbol stage set up for a while. And when Ida came in the band for the most part were stationed in particular areas. Most of the band was in a centralized area, Prince was free to move roam play

*I definately hear what 2Elijah is saying, especially if you take frontman to a band or group. But it would still vary according to the music style genre etc. For example Sade is a solo/frontman show but Sade style of music and her stage presence are perfect for her. She does her little moves, she doesn't 'Blow' she might play a little shaker/percussion, do a few moves, but she isn't going to do Chaka Khan. Because it's her music style.

* Luther Vandross or Celine Dion, their style musical genre presence and show should reflect them.

*Nik West as a frontman, and whatever the music style should reflect who she is.

* But Ida is not the frontman in Prince's group. And if she isn't the roll around on the ground and back throwing her head around while playing bass kinda person, then she shouldn't fake it.

I think her look and presence is strong in Prince's band. She compliments him.

*Rhonda had a more mellow stay pop in place presence too when in Prince's band.

That's cool, but I just have a different view on both bass players. I like the way Nik plays bass over Ida, just like I like Rhonda's bass playing over Ida's. Just like I like Sheila E's drumming skills over Cora's. Nothing personal. Good lawd...geez. I didn't realize some folks would get that upset with me paying compliment to Nik West. I didn't say Ida was a bad bass player, I just said I'm more impressed with Nik West's bass playing. It's just one person's view, not speaking for everyone else. It's all good.

Hey there, I'm not upset with you, I was just sharing in the discussion

I'm totally comparing either of them, not familiar enough with Nik, but I like her style

I don't think her Let's Work bass was that tight though

She is a frontman so I expect her to be more outward showing putting the bass between her legs and such

I think a lot of the discussion is also about your comment of Ida stage presence or lack

I just see different styles and expressions of music, and that I've seen a lot of Ida vids with Prince and she is pretty active on stage, the pictures too me show a touch of her personality and such

I think Rhonda & Ida sorta play similar

Maybe it's why Prince picked her

2elijah said:

steakfinger said:

Music sucks today because people think this crap matters. Prince was the rare one that had looks and stage presence. Others use their looks and stage presence to make up for a lack of skill. I don't know anything about Nik West and my crappy computer speakers here at work are not giving me enough low-end to hear what she's doing - maybe she's good - but I don't think looks, personality, stage presence and ESPECIALLY dance moves are things that need to be considered when discussing musical skill.

I beg to differ on that bolded part. There are many musicians who have 'looks' to go with their talent, so that statement holds no water. Prince used his looks/image/dance music skills, creativity to gain the fan base he successfully achieved, and he was 'genius' at it

Not only did he have the gift of musical skills, but he knew how to use his body language/gestures/facial expressions/dance skills and other improvisations,within his stage performance and stage presence to seduce his audience, captivate them, and own their attention, which led to gaining a major fan base.

On the other hand, no one is saying that looks override talent although, someone probably needs to tell the folks in the music industry that, because it seems that looks are their main requirement, for many who hope to make it in that industry today. I am not saying you have to be beautiful to have talent or that your talent will be determined by your looks. I am talkiing about the way in which a musician/artist presents their talent, that will determine how successful they become. I just think you have to have the creative ability to know how to grasp your fanbase with your talent, in a way that sets you apart from others. That's usually how many musicians/artists stand out from everyone else. I think eventually, your creativity in how you present our talent, will be the determining factor in how successful you will become in your career.

Prince was smart enough to know that in order to gain the fan base he sought, not only did he have to be very good with his music skills, but how he presented himself as a musician/performer to gain that fan base and capture/maintain it, was also important. He not only used his music skills, but he incorporated his dance skills, and body language/gestures/facial expressions, how he sang his songs on stage, presented his music skills, and the mystery he kept of himself among fans, is just some of how he captivated and gained his fan base, and had them coming back and wanting more, which is why he has a history of being one of the best and most respected musicians/performers today. Imagine if he just 'stood there' and played the guitar, without injecting his other talent into his stage presence/performance I remember when leaving the MSG, when a W2A show ended, and hearing two fans talking about how 'captivating' Prince is, so apparently they left the show feeling that way about his performance.

My opinion of Nik West vs Ida was based on the few minutes of that video that I watched, and other vids of Nik. I compared that to Ida's performance that I saw at 3 W2A shows in NYC. My opinion of Ida's bass playing is not 'knocking or bashing Ida in anyway, it is constructive criticism. Obviously if Prince has her in his band, he is satisfied with her bass skills. When I saw her perform at those shows, I just felt she was missing a personality somewhat in her performance. She didn't give me the impression she was 'feeling the bass' so-to-speak, because she basically stayed in one spot and I can only remembrer her moving from that spot, when she walked across the stage when Prince was singing 'U Got the Look'. I saw her perform in 3 shows, and she did the same. Even a mannequin moves when the rack it's standing on shakes.

Here's another comparison. I have seen some clips of Donna Grantis performing and I like her guitar-playing style, because at least, she plays that guitar like she 'feels it' and she stands out among the 3 ladies of 3rdeyegirl.This is just my opinion, and it's fine if you don't agree with me, as I can respectfully agree to disagree.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:53pm]

My statement holds plenty of water as it is 100% factual. I said OTHERS, not ALL OTHERS. I'd say it's pretty plain to see the vast majority of incredibly talented musicians have average to below-average looks and you don't see too many trying to dance and play jazz at the same time. You're talking entertainment, I'm talking art. Occasionally the two combine, as is the case with some of Prince's work.

I'm not talking about entertainment, I'm talking about music. I'm not saying this is you necessarily, but in my experience most people who talk about a musician playing like they "feel it" wouldn't be able to tell if they weren't SEEING them play. Again, I'm talking about the sound. I think what I responded to was someone preferring Nik because she had stage presence but perceiving it as being a superior musician, (which she may be, I don't know).

I don't actually think we're disagreeing, I just think we're calling the same thing different names.

Luckily, it isn't the least bit important if you're enjoying yourself.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

That's cool, but I just have a different view on both bass players. I like the way Nik plays bass over Ida, just like I like Rhonda's bass playing over Ida's. Just like I like Sheila E's drumming skills over Cora's. Nothing personal. Good lawd...geez. I didn't realize some folks would get that upset with me paying compliment to Nik West. I didn't say Ida was a bad bass player, I just said I'm more impressed with Nik West's bass playing. It's just one person's view, not speaking for everyone else. It's all good.

Hey there, I'm not upset with you, I was just sharing in the discussion

I'm really not comparing either of them, not familiar enough with Nik, but I like her style

I don't think her Let's Work bass was that tight though

She is a frontman so I expect her to be more outward showing

I think a lot of the discussion is also about your talk of Ida not having stage presence

I just see different styles and expressions of music, and that I've seen a lot of Ida vids with Prince and she is pretty active on stage, the pictures too me show a touch of her personality and such

I think Rhonda & Ida sorta play similar

Maybe it's why Prince picked her

Ok, even though I don't agree that Rhonda and Ida's bass styles are the same, but to each their own, and besides, neither of us can speak for the reason Prince picked Ida to perform in his band. With that being said, on the topic of Nik West, she won me over with playing that snippet of 'Teen Town';brought back memories of when I used to listen to Weather Report's music.

steakfinger said:

2elijah said:

I beg to differ on that bolded part. There are many musicians who have 'looks' to go with their talent, so that statement holds no water. Prince used his looks/image/dance music skills, creativity to gain the fan base he successfully achieved, and he was 'genius' at it

Not only did he have the gift of musical skills, but he knew how to use his body language/gestures/facial expressions/dance skills and other improvisations,within his stage performance and stage presence to seduce his audience, captivate them, and own their attention, which led to gaining a major fan base.

On the other hand, no one is saying that looks override talent although, someone probably needs to tell the folks in the music industry that, because it seems that looks are their main requirement, for many who hope to make it in that industry today. I am not saying you have to be beautiful to have talent or that your talent will be determined by your looks. I am talkiing about the way in which a musician/artist presents their talent, that will determine how successful they become. I just think you have to have the creative ability to know how to grasp your fanbase with your talent, in a way that sets you apart from others. That's usually how many musicians/artists stand out from everyone else. I think eventually, your creativity in how you present our talent, will be the determining factor in how successful you will become in your career.

Prince was smart enough to know that in order to gain the fan base he sought, not only did he have to be very good with his music skills, but how he presented himself as a musician/performer to gain that fan base and capture/maintain it, was also important. He not only used his music skills, but he incorporated his dance skills, and body language/gestures/facial expressions, how he sang his songs on stage, presented his music skills, and the mystery he kept of himself among fans, is just some of how he captivated and gained his fan base, and had them coming back and wanting more, which is why he has a history of being one of the best and most respected musicians/performers today. Imagine if he just 'stood there' and played the guitar, without injecting his other talent into his stage presence/performance I remember when leaving the MSG, when a W2A show ended, and hearing two fans talking about how 'captivating' Prince is, so apparently they left the show feeling that way about his performance.

My opinion of Nik West vs Ida was based on the few minutes of that video that I watched, and other vids of Nik. I compared that to Ida's performance that I saw at 3 W2A shows in NYC. My opinion of Ida's bass playing is not 'knocking or bashing Ida in anyway, it is constructive criticism. Obviously if Prince has her in his band, he is satisfied with her bass skills. When I saw her perform at those shows, I just felt she was missing a personality somewhat in her performance. She didn't give me the impression she was 'feeling the bass' so-to-speak, because she basically stayed in one spot and I can only remembrer her moving from that spot, when she walked across the stage when Prince was singing 'U Got the Look'. I saw her perform in 3 shows, and she did the same. Even a mannequin moves when the rack it's standing on shakes.

Here's another comparison. I have seen some clips of Donna Grantis performing and I like her guitar-playing style, because at least, she plays that guitar like she 'feels it' and she stands out among the 3 ladies of 3rdeyegirl.This is just my opinion, and it's fine if you don't agree with me, as I can respectfully agree to disagree.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:53pm]

My statement holds plenty of water as it is 100% factual. I said OTHERS, not ALL OTHERS. I'd say it's pretty plain to see the vast majority of incredibly talented musicians have average to below-average looks and you don't see too many trying to dance and play jazz at the same time. You're talking entertainment, I'm talking art. Occasionally the two combine, as is the case with some of Prince's work.

I'm not talking about entertainment, I'm talking about music. I'm not saying this is you necessarily, but in my experience most people who talk about a musician playing like they "feel it" wouldn't be able to tell if they weren't SEEING them play. Again, I'm talking about the sound. I think what I responded to was someone preferring Nik because she had stage presence but perceiving it as being a superior musician, (which she may be, I don't know).

I don't actually think we're disagreeing, I just think we're calling the same thing different names.

Luckily, it isn't the least bit important if you're enjoying yourself.

Ok, but about Nik's bass playing, which I like, I wasn't insinuating that a musician's looks/stage presence is superior over their music skills. I am saying that often times, especially in the music industry today, that many musicians/artists have to almost be a 'triple threat', and have other talent associated with their music skills. Often times, image/stage presence, and yes 'looks' too, are pretty much 'extras' that some musicians/performers use to their advantage with their talent. Not saying every musician does that. James Brown was far from being the most handsome man, but his talent as a singer/performer was well-respected and remembered because of his performance style;a style he made all his own, with his image/stage presence, and using other parts of his talent besides singing, i.e., dancing, and demonstrated his knowledge/skills of specific music sounds, in the way he conducted/presented the music from the musicians in his band.

Furthermore, I didn't say every musician had to have dance skills while performing. For example, I recently saw a singer perform another singer's song. It was the way he sang the song, his style, his body language/gestures and tone in how he sang the song with strong emotion, that captivated his audience. You can get on stage and sing or play an instrument, but how you captivate your audience will be determined by how you sing/present that song or how good you play that instrument. That's all I'm saying. It's just my opinion, not written in gold, so it's fine to disagree.

[Edited 4/9/13 14:47pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Hey there, I'm not upset with you, I was just sharing in the discussion

I'm really not comparing either of them, not familiar enough with Nik, but I like her style

I don't think her Let's Work bass was that tight though

She is a frontman so I expect her to be more outward showing

I think a lot of the discussion is also about your talk of Ida not having stage presence

I just see different styles and expressions of music, and that I've seen a lot of Ida vids with Prince and she is pretty active on stage, the pictures too me show a touch of her personality and such

I think Rhonda & Ida sorta play similar

Maybe it's why Prince picked her

Ok, even though I don't agree that Rhonda and Ida's bass styles are the same, but to each their own, and besides, neither of us can speak for the reason Prince picked Ida to perform in his band. With that being said, on the topic of Nik West, she won me over with playing that snippet of 'Teen Town';brought back memories of when I used to listen to Weather Report's music.

Cool

I was going to post a few of Rhonda's vids, the reason I said I felt they play similar

No, I'm not saying it's the reason Prince picked her, I just said it could

Nik is cool, I like her expression, I love the bass in all music genre

It's the instrument I usually hear 1st on any song

I'll follow the bass, not having heard the lyrics to a song

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Ida kills her.

after checking out a lot of ida's stuff recently, i'd have to agree with this... she's an incredible bass player

i don't care how she dresses, or how much she jumps around on stage.... (i doubt prince is looking for a bass player with a loud flashy style... and i think she has a quiet confidence about her that is really cool) i'm far more interested in her musicianship... and she can really bring it... she's highly regarded in the bass playing community

make no mistake... ida KILLS on her instrument

MoBetterBliss said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

Ida kills her.

after checking out a lot of ida's stuff recently, i'd have to agree with this... she's an incredible bass player

i don't care how she dresses, or how much she jumps around on stage.... (i doubt prince is looking for a bass player with a loud flashy style... and i think she has a quiet confidence about her that is really cool) i'm far more interested in her musicianship... and she can really bring it... she's highly regarded in the bass playing community

make no mistake... ida KILLS on her instrument

Rhonda kills them BOTH.

Graycap23 said:

MoBetterBliss said:

after checking out a lot of ida's stuff recently, i'd have to agree with this... she's an incredible bass player

i don't care how she dresses, or how much she jumps around on stage.... (i doubt prince is looking for a bass player with a loud flashy style... and i think she has a quiet confidence about her that is really cool) i'm far more interested in her musicianship... and she can really bring it... she's highly regarded in the bass playing community

make no mistake... ida KILLS on her instrument

Rhonda kills them BOTH.

i'm a big fan of rhonda's playing... i was really dissapointed when she was no longer part of his band... probably more than with any musician before her... but have you really checked out ida's playing?

Neither of them is that great, frankly. The last truly great bass player Prince had in his band was Larry Graham.

Somehow I feel I need to clarify my opinion on my comparison between Nik West and Ida, just so no one gets the wrong impression, like I was bashing Ida or disrespecting her as a musician, which was not my intention at all, because I respect her as a musician, regardless of my opinion of her performance style. When I mentioned performance style, I was referencing how both bass players present their bass playing skills on stage, didn't say Ida couldn't play bass or that I didn't like the way she dresses on stage when performing, etc, etc. Just stated my opinion of both bass players-Nik and Ida's-performance styles.

My opinion of Ida, takes nothing away from Prince or Ida, and I doubt Prince would care whether I like the performance style of any of his band members, as I am just one fan, among hundreds of thousands, if not millions of his fans around the world, with their own opinions of his music and band members. At the end of the day, Prince is the boss of his band, and makes the choice on which musicians he likes to work with. So just felt I needed to clarify, what I stated in my earlier posts about the 2 bass players, even if I didn't have to, just so some don't get the wrong impression of what I stated when comparing the two. If I was too harsh, it wasn't meant to come across that way. I respect both musicians.

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TedW said:

Neither of them is that great, frankly. The last truly great bass player Prince had in his band was Larry Graham.

I love Larry's bass playing, grew up on his playing. He CHANGED the sound of bass...he is an originator and inventor on the instrument. That said... Rhonda is WAY more versatile. You should see what she does with Jeff Beck. He lets here so her thing!

I've seen her with Beck. Prince ain't Beck. Versatile is not what's required -- funkiness, pocket is what's required. Larry Graham ftw, clearly.