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lust

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Which songs were written for/about Susannah?

Thinking of seeing how a playlist might sound!
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
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Reply #1 posted 03/09/13 6:11pm

NuPwrSoul

Weren't a some of the Crystal Ball/SOTT tracks inspired by her?

Crystal Ball

If I Was Your Girlfriend

Starfish & Coffee

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Reply #2 posted 03/09/13 6:18pm

lust

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NuPwrSoul said:

Weren't a some of the Crystal Ball/SOTT tracks inspired by her?



Crystal Ball


If I Was Your Girlfriend


Starfish & Coffee



Was sure IIWYG was, didn't know about the other two. Starfish and coffee doesn't sound right though being about a school kid.
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Reply #3 posted 03/09/13 6:26pm

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lust said:

NuPwrSoul said:

Weren't a some of the Crystal Ball/SOTT tracks inspired by her?

Crystal Ball

If I Was Your Girlfriend

Starfish & Coffee

Was sure IIWYG was, didn't know about the other two. Starfish and coffee doesn't sound right though being about a school kid.

it was about a kid Susannah knew in grade school. she told Prince about her. so I suppose you could say Susannah inspired it? but it's not about her.

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Reply #4 posted 03/09/13 6:47pm

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"empty room" and "big tall wall" as well, right?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #5 posted 03/09/13 7:00pm

jimino1

wonderfula ass, forever im my life are 2 more....

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Reply #6 posted 03/09/13 7:08pm

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Susannah's Pajamas razz

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Reply #7 posted 03/09/13 7:18pm

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IstenSzek said:

"big tall wall"

poor Susannah barf

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Reply #8 posted 03/09/13 8:06pm

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"Suzy"

You know it. We all know it. Nobody wants to admit it. But come on.

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Reply #9 posted 03/09/13 8:25pm

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the Beautiful Ones

Nothing Compares 2 U (maybe partially)

a part of Condition of the Heart is about Susannah & Wendy

Screams of Passion

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Reply #10 posted 03/09/13 9:05pm

lust

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IstenSzek said:

"empty room" and "big tall wall" as well, right?




Yep, good call.
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Reply #11 posted 03/09/13 9:06pm

lust

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jimino1 said:

wonderfula ass, forever im my life are 2 more....



Nice
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Reply #12 posted 03/09/13 9:07pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:


the Beautiful Ones



Nothing Compares 2 U



a part of Condition of the Heart is about Susannah & Wendy



Screams of Passion





Beautiful ones! Really? Was that not too early?
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Reply #13 posted 03/09/13 9:45pm

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lust said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the Beautiful Ones

Nothing Compares 2 U

a part of Condition of the Heart is about Susannah & Wendy

Screams of Passion

Beautiful ones! Really? Was that not too early?

Wonderful Ass too, I think. isn't that originally from '82 or '83?

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Reply #14 posted 03/09/13 11:30pm

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lust said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the Beautiful Ones

Nothing Compares 2 U

a part of Condition of the Heart is about Susannah & Wendy

Screams of Passion

Beautiful ones! Really? Was that not too early?

It was the first one. Apparently that was when they met and Susannah was still with someone else (I think she was engaged to him too). The lyrics are pretty heavy stuff if you think about it.

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Reply #15 posted 03/10/13 12:56am

lust

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novabrkr said:



lust said:


OldFriends4Sale said:


the Beautiful Ones



Nothing Compares 2 U



a part of Condition of the Heart is about Susannah & Wendy



Screams of Passion





Beautiful ones! Really? Was that not too early?


It was the first one. Apparently that was when they met and Susannah was still with someone else (I think she was engaged to him too). The lyrics are pretty heavy stuff if you think about it.



Wow. This could be a powerful playlist n
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Reply #16 posted 03/10/13 1:31am

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lust said:

novabrkr said:

It was the first one. Apparently that was when they met and Susannah was still with someone else (I think she was engaged to him too). The lyrics are pretty heavy stuff if you think about it.

Wow. This could be a powerful playlist n

Amazing. Never heard this all put together before, and I have been a fan for over 20 years. Thanks!

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Reply #17 posted 03/10/13 4:11am

Harlepolis

Go

Last Heart

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Reply #18 posted 03/10/13 7:22am

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Thought "Wonderful Ass" was about Vanity?
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Reply #19 posted 03/10/13 8:55am

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scorp84 said:

Thought "Wonderful Ass" was about Vanity?

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Reply #20 posted 03/10/13 9:17am

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AFAIK Wonderful Ass is not (too early).

Yes to all the others except Nothing Compares 2 U.

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Reply #21 posted 03/10/13 9:59am

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NouveauDance said:

AFAIK Wonderful Ass is not (too early).

Yes to all the others except Nothing Compares 2 U.

Why not NC2U? And why "yes" to all the others?

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #22 posted 03/10/13 10:15am

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The "Beautiful Ones" was written about Susannah? Are you sure? Is "Darling Nikki" about her too? Or is that whole album about her?

My questions are more rhetorical than inquisitory, because only Prince really knows who he had in mind when he wrote his songs. The fact is he may have had various aspects of various relationships in mind, sometimes it's like that when you write from your heart. One persons actions may remind you of an event in another relationship and spark a creative flow - the resulting creation can be about hybrid of relationships.
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Reply #23 posted 03/10/13 11:32am

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Reply #24 posted 03/10/13 11:42am

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PaisleyRose said:

The "Beautiful Ones" was written about Susannah? Are you sure? Is "Darling Nikki" about her too? Or is that whole album about her? My questions are more rhetorical than inquisitory, because only Prince really knows who he had in mind when he wrote his songs. The fact is he may have had various aspects of various relationships in mind, sometimes it's like that when you write from your heart. One persons actions may remind you of an event in another relationship and spark a creative flow - the resulting creation can be about hybrid of relationships. [Edited 3/10/13 10:27am]

Agree!

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #25 posted 03/10/13 11:43am

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The "Beautiful Ones" was written about Susannah? Are you sure? Is "Darling Nikki" about her too? Or is that whole album about her? My questions are more rhetorical than inquisitory, because only Prince really knows who he had in mind when he wrote his songs. The fact is he may have had various aspects of various relationships in mind, sometimes it's like that when you write from your heart. One persons actions may remind you of an event in another relationship and spark a creative flow - the resulting creation can be about hybrid of relationships. [Edited 3/10/13 10:27am]

It's just something that's mentioned in several biographies of Prince. While I can't be "sure" myself if he wrote the song about her my first assumption when I read something isn't that people just write bullshit they themselves have made up. Prince biographies are usually based on what his associates have told the writers.

You are right that he might have been influenced by various relationships when he wrote a song like "The Beautiful Ones" and that probably applies to many of his songs. However, lyrics being "about" something doesn't mean that there couldn't be some fiction thrown in too.

You are using the word "fact" and the phrase "the fact is" incorrectly, btw.

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Reply #26 posted 03/10/13 12:04pm

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paulludvig said:

NouveauDance said:

AFAIK Wonderful Ass is not (too early).

Yes to all the others except Nothing Compares 2 U.

Why not NC2U? And why "yes" to all the others?

Yes to all the others because it's been stated in sources that these songs are about her (Beautiful Ones, Go, Empty Room, Big Tall Wall, Condition Of The Heart, IIWYG and input inc. Crystal Ball, Starfish & Coffee etc) - No to NC2U because it has been stated in sources that it was about his personal assistant.

Prince was inspired to write the song about Sandy Scipioni, his personal assistant in 1980, who had to leave suddenly after her father's death (Prince and Scipioni were not in a romantic relationship, however).

source: http://www.princevault.co...mpares_2_U

These sources are interviews and books etc - nothing is 100% of course, unless you're going to ask Prince and he's going to a) cooperate, b) remember c) tell the truth and be civil, not cryptic. But I think now we're as close to 100% as you're going to get without that.

[Edited 3/10/13 12:06pm]

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errant said:

lust said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Beautiful ones! Really? Was that not too early?

Wonderful Ass too, I think. isn't that originally from '82 or '83?

I believe Wonderful Ass was from that time about Vanity

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Reply #28 posted 03/10/13 12:27pm

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PaisleyRose said:

The "Beautiful Ones" was written about Susannah? Are you sure? Is "Darling Nikki" about her too? Or is that whole album about her? My questions are more rhetorical than inquisitory, because only Prince really knows who he had in mind when he wrote his songs. The fact is he may have had various aspects of various relationships in mind, sometimes it's like that when you write from your heart. One persons actions may remind you of an event in another relationship and spark a creative flow - the resulting creation can be about hybrid of relationships. [Edited 3/10/13 10:27am]

Yes, he wrote this song which replaced G-Spot & Electric Intercourse in Purple Rain about her.

It was a song he wrote 2 her to woo her from her current boyfriend

Darling Nikki as far as we know is just for the film, not about a real person.

Why do you doubt that song particularly?

According to (Susan)Rogers, "The Beautiful Ones" was Prince's favorite. "That song meant a lot to him," she says. "It was written for Susannah Melvoin [Wendy's sister and, at the time, Prince's girlfriend]. A lot of songs were written about her, but that was the first one."

-Rolling Stones Interview

The album also contains one of Prince's most heartbreaking ballads, "The Beautiful Ones." Written for Susannah Melvoin, twin sister of guitarist Wendy -whom Prince had met in May 1983, while she was still in another relationship - it builds around gentle synths and slow drum patterns to the coy question: "If we get married, would that be cool?" Having concluded that you always lose the beautiful ones, Prince lets go for a moment of pure passion, screaming relentlessly to his unrequited love.

From Prince: Chaos, Disorder and Revolution, (c) 2011 by Jason Draper. Published by Backbeat Books, an imprint of Hal Leonard. ISBN: 978-0-87930-961-9

The Beautiful Ones” is the third track on Prince and the Revolution’s soundtrack album Purple Rain. Produced, arranged, composed, and performed by Prince, the song was recorded at Sunset Sound in Los Angeles by Peggy Mac and David Leonard in early September 1983.

“The Beautiful Ones” is a haunting musical tale of emotional longing and unrequited love. Starting out as a slow falsetto ballad, with Dr. Fink’s piano and organ-sounding synthesizers providing a lush backdrop, it gradually builds in volume and intensity, and by the end of the song, Prince is screaming out “Do you want him, or do you want me? ‘Cause I want you. ” The song comes to a quiet close, with Fink’s and Bobby Z’s drums serving as the closing instrumentation.

The song replaced “Electric Intercourse” on the Purple Rain album. It was originally written for Susannah Melvoin (Revolution band member Wendy’s twin sister) to woo her away from her current boyfriend.

In the film, Prince sings the song directly from the stage to Apollonia, who is sitting with his rival Morris Day. The song is a direct and urgent appeal to Apollonia to choose Prince as her lover — and it is a direct challenge to Day. Ultimately, as the song ends and Prince lies, apparently spent, on the floor of the stage, Apollonia leaves in tears.

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lust said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the Beautiful Ones

Nothing Compares 2 U

a part of Condition of the Heart is about Susannah & Wendy

Screams of Passion

Beautiful ones! Really? Was that not too early?

Wendy was already in the Prince scene back in 1980, she was doing some work with Prince on the 1999 project, she officially joined the band early 1983, Prince met Susannah mid-late 1983, the song replaced Electric Intercourse(performed @ 1st Avenue May 1983(Susannah was at the 1983 Benefit Show) Prince began the recording of the song early Fall 1983 right after the August 1983 Benefit Show

According to Rogers, "The Beautiful Ones" was Prince's favorite. "That song meant a lot to him," she says. "It was written for Susannah Melvoin [Wendy's sister and, at the time, Prince's girlfriend]. A lot of songs were written about her, but that was the first one."

Now where I come from
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