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Reply #30 posted 10/08/12 9:30am

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Lianachan said:

The fact that a gubmint does something bad to its population does not neccessarily mean that they also do every other bad thing possible to them.

This is why it's best to have a government that is empowered to do as little as possible.

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Reply #31 posted 10/08/12 9:32am

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Maybe he was right about the presidents before George Washington too?
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Reply #32 posted 10/08/12 9:56am

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Lianachan said:

The fact that a gubmint does something bad to its population does not neccessarily mean that they also do every other bad thing possible to them.

No, but it surely should mean that those that casually brush off the possibility because "that's crazy, they wouldn't do that" are naive and far too trusting, while those that distrust and question are actually being wise and logical.

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Reply #33 posted 10/08/12 9:57am

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Genesia said:

Lianachan said:

The fact that a gubmint does something bad to its population does not neccessarily mean that they also do every other bad thing possible to them.

This is why it's best to have a government that is empowered to do as little as possible.

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Reply #34 posted 10/08/12 10:17am

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djThunderfunk said:

Genesia said:

This is why it's best to have a government that is empowered to do as little as possible.

yeahthat

Except "defense" of course

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Reply #35 posted 10/08/12 11:43am

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If it were true, what would people do about it?


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Reply #36 posted 10/08/12 1:23pm

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^ Interesting. This is a serious matter than needs investigation.

It shocks me how people can easily brush this off as a conspiracy theory when there is documented evidence from declassified military files this has been done in the past.

If you have any suspicion it's happening to you, petition your local government.

It's convenient they seem to be testing over the poorest areas where the locals are not likely to be believed (ie. dismissed as rednecks) or taken seriously by the mainstream if they report it.

[Edited 10/8/12 13:26pm]

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Reply #37 posted 10/08/12 2:41pm

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aerosol crimes (chemtrails) appear to be multi-purpose. i realise that most people these days are braindead television zombies but for those of you who care about what goes on in the world these two documentaries are worth your time.

"The Pentagon controls every word and image the American people reads or sees in mass media."
Richard Perle 2004, at a press conference in the Pentagon.
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Reply #38 posted 10/08/12 2:43pm

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^ Great thanx....I was just wondering if this has any connection to Morgellons....

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Reply #39 posted 10/08/12 2:46pm

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^ Great thanx....I was just wondering if this has any connection to Morgellons....

you're welcome - yes, frighteningly that seems to be one of the purposes of chemtrailing.

"The Pentagon controls every word and image the American people reads or sees in mass media."
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Reply #40 posted 10/08/12 4:34pm

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Another thing folks seemed to have missed is that Prince was reffering to a statement Dr Cornel West made on the subject of chemtrails. This was not a concept Prince made up himself, and as you can see from the news report it has already received media attention and normal everyday citizens have voiced concern.
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Reply #41 posted 10/08/12 4:57pm

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"The Pentagon controls every word and image the American people reads or sees in mass media."
Richard Perle 2004, at a press conference in the Pentagon.
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Reply #42 posted 10/09/12 8:27am

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^

Thanx

This part was interesting:

Interestingly, the United Nations (UN) and various Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation-backed groups have recently been forced to admit that such sprayings are taking place, and that the emitted particles are not normal contrails. But their excuse for why chemtrail sprayings are being done is that they will somehow save the planet from the devastating effects of so-called "global warming," that ever-present, pseudoscientific environmental theory that is often used as justification for all sorts of outlandish policy proposals.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.co...z28oeSCYkC

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Reply #43 posted 10/10/12 9:01am

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^ Yes, the more i learn about it the more I realise that the President etc is just a figurehead, the people with the real power are not visible. The lobbyists and the military industrial complex have way too much power. This is why there is still a 'war' against ? despite promises to end the way years ago.

Politics are complex and there are too many people involved in each choice being made no matter how corrupt the system is. Especially where thee's democracy and powerful investors. One nation cannot change that much with each President, but if they are good leaders with charisma, they are at least capable of slowly influencing the system in some ways. No matter how great of a leader you are, you'll have to make "friends" with as many supporters, as well as non supporters as possible.

It's kinda like pop music. One will quite seldom find pop music daring, innovative, being groundbreaking or original. But the greatest ones in pop music manage to both make friends with those who liked them for what they were, as well as introducing some sort of originality to the open minded. Artists such as Frank Ocean is one of those embracing what's hot now, as well as introducing some new styles and eccletism to the game that makes him kinda semi avant garde. He does interesting things, but are never too far away for most of the general public to grasp. Politics are also like that, but since most people value this as more important than our daily entertainment, we react with more emotions towards the system than Katy Perry scoring high on the Billboard. Katy Perry does maybe have some indirect influence on the society, like everybody else. But Obama has to take blame for everything.

All types of communities are built up around money, power, trends etc... Is there really any person that could just change the entire system through democracy? I guess only if half the people automatically just change their political view in the direction Obama favor. Sometimes if one really does hate the system, the best thing is to choose the lesser evil.

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Reply #44 posted 10/10/12 8:30pm

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Replica said:

Sometimes if one really does hate the system, the best thing is to choose the lesser evil.

Ummm.... The lesser of two evils, is.... EVIL!

No thanks.

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Reply #45 posted 10/10/12 10:08pm

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djThunderfunk said:



Replica said:



Sometimes if one really does hate the system, the best thing is to choose the lesser evil.


Ummm.... The lesser of two evils, is.... EVIL!



No thanks.



Then I recommend you to take a greater part in politics, so that you can help change what is wrong today. Whining doesn't help. It doesn't make you important, it doesn't change the world. I'm not saying that one more vote for the lesser evil is a good thing either. The lesser evil thing was also put there just to prove a point. I don't consider Obama evil. We just know he doesn't have the power to change opinions of every American. Just introducing the health care program was almost political suicide for him both on Republican side, as well as for some Democrats.
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Reply #46 posted 10/11/12 8:58am

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Replica said:

djThunderfunk said:

Ummm.... The lesser of two evils, is.... EVIL!

No thanks.

Then I recommend you to take a greater part in politics, so that you can help change what is wrong today. Whining doesn't help. It doesn't make you important, it doesn't change the world. I'm not saying that one more vote for the lesser evil is a good thing either. The lesser evil thing was also put there just to prove a point. I don't consider Obama evil. We just know he doesn't have the power to change opinions of every American. Just introducing the health care program was almost political suicide for him both on Republican side, as well as for some Democrats.

What makes you think I don't take part in politics? Where do I whine?

I've come close to losing friends because I'm too political and expect everyone else to be more active.

Here's the thing:

The lessor of two evils is bullshit. Our false left/right paradigm of a political system is bullshit. The democrats and the republicans work for the same people.... and it's NOT us!!

The lessor of two evils leads to more war, more restrictions of our rights, more debt, more blaming the "other side".

"Go back to bed America."

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Reply #47 posted 10/11/12 9:26am

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Replica said:

djThunderfunk said: Then I recommend you to take a greater part in politics, so that you can help change what is wrong today. Whining doesn't help. It doesn't make you important, it doesn't change the world. I'm not saying that one more vote for the lesser evil is a good thing either. The lesser evil thing was also put there just to prove a point. I don't consider Obama evil. We just know he doesn't have the power to change opinions of every American. Just introducing the health care program was almost political suicide for him both on Republican side, as well as for some Democrats.

What makes you think I don't take part in politics? Where do I whine?

I've come close to losing friends because I'm too political and expect everyone else to be more active.

Here's the thing:

The lessor of two evils is bullshit. Our false left/right paradigm of a political system is bullshit. The democrats and the republicans work for the same people.... and it's NOT us!!

The lessor of two evils leads to more war, more restrictions of our rights, more debt, more blaming the "other side".

"Go back to bed America."

Sorry, I didn't really mean it as a personal attack. I just know that so many complain about politics, and how corrupt it is etc. I just don't think that it will change anything if we just complain over dinner tables and internet forums. We have to take part in influencing the system. I was also just trying to explain how difficult it must be in a President position, when it's probably not much you can change right away. One will have to bend the politics in one direction over time, at the same time as one can't push it too far. This is not a civil war/revolution ending with one dictator that can force new rules and a different view on the people. Even small contries have the same problem. It takes time. Leaders will never satisfy us, but one leader might do a lil better job than another. And that is enough for some atleast to choose whom they prefer.

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Reply #48 posted 10/11/12 10:53am

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An excerpt from The Puranas (from ancient India) ..... 'The barbarians will be masters of the banks of the Indus...There will be contemporary monarchs reigning over the earth,kings of churlish spirit,violent temper,& ever addicted to falsehood & wickedness.They will inflict death on women,children,they will seize upon the property of their subjects,& be intent upon the wives of others; they will be of unlimited power,their lives will be short,their desires insatiable....People of various countries intermingling with them,will follow their example; & the barbarians being powerful in the patronage of their princes while the purer tribes of the earth are neglected....Spirtual wealth & piety will decrease until the world will be wholly depraved. Property alone will confer rank; material wealth will be the only source of devotion; passion will be the sole bond of union between the sexes; falsehood will be the only means of success in litigation; & women will be objects merely of sensual gratification...External type will be the only distinction of the several orders of life;...a man if rich will be reputed pure; dishonesty will be the universal means of subsistence,weakness the cause of dependence,menace & presumption will be substituted for learning; liberality will be devotion. He who is strongest will reign; the people unable to bear the heavy burden,khara bhara (the load of taxes), will take refuge among the valleys....Thus,in the Kali age will decay constantly proceed....'
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #49 posted 10/11/12 1:48pm

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...'The reverent will be thought mad, the irreverent wise; the lunatic will be thought brave, & the scoundrel will be taken as a decent person. Soul & all teachings about soul will be considered not simply laughable but even illusory....They will establish new laws, new justice. Nothing holy, nothing reverent nor worthy of heaven or heavenly beings will be heard of or believed in the mind. They will be driven to every outrageous crime - war, looting, trickery, & all that is contrary to the nature of souls...' - The Book of Asclepius(/Imhotep) (from Ancient Egypt)
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #50 posted 10/11/12 8:27pm

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Replica said:

djThunderfunk said:

What makes you think I don't take part in politics? Where do I whine?

I've come close to losing friends because I'm too political and expect everyone else to be more active.

Here's the thing:

The lessor of two evils is bullshit. Our false left/right paradigm of a political system is bullshit. The democrats and the republicans work for the same people.... and it's NOT us!!

The lessor of two evils leads to more war, more restrictions of our rights, more debt, more blaming the "other side".

"Go back to bed America."

Sorry, I didn't really mean it as a personal attack. I just know that so many complain about politics, and how corrupt it is etc. I just don't think that it will change anything if we just complain over dinner tables and internet forums. We have to take part in influencing the system. I was also just trying to explain how difficult it must be in a President position, when it's probably not much you can change right away. One will have to bend the politics in one direction over time, at the same time as one can't push it too far. This is not a civil war/revolution ending with one dictator that can force new rules and a different view on the people. Even small contries have the same problem. It takes time. Leaders will never satisfy us, but one leader might do a lil better job than another. And that is enough for some atleast to choose whom they prefer.

Fair enough.

In my not-so-humble opinion, "both" our options this year fail in both their rhetoric and their records when it comes to all of the issues that are important to me:

War

the drug war

protecting the bill of rights and upholding the constitution

economics

health care

These are just my top five. The only candidate that comes close to my views on any of these topics was Ron Paul. But, according to the media, he was "crazy" and never had a chance. The Robomneys have made and will make all of these issues worse, not better. Can't vote for either of them. My conscience leaves me with no choice but to vote for a third party and "waste" my vote. Oh, well. Won't be the first time...

Libertarian or Green Party, here I come. Again.

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Reply #51 posted 10/12/12 8:17am

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Chemtrails actually are real and I've heard about them way before I saw that interview which was why I was surprised that he mentioned them.

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Reply #52 posted 10/12/12 8:25am

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I wonder if p & Jesse ventura exchanged views on this when he was on the view awhile back
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Reply #53 posted 10/12/12 12:01pm

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djThunderfunk said:

Replica said:

Sorry, I didn't really mean it as a personal attack. I just know that so many complain about politics, and how corrupt it is etc. I just don't think that it will change anything if we just complain over dinner tables and internet forums. We have to take part in influencing the system. I was also just trying to explain how difficult it must be in a President position, when it's probably not much you can change right away. One will have to bend the politics in one direction over time, at the same time as one can't push it too far. This is not a civil war/revolution ending with one dictator that can force new rules and a different view on the people. Even small contries have the same problem. It takes time. Leaders will never satisfy us, but one leader might do a lil better job than another. And that is enough for some atleast to choose whom they prefer.

Fair enough.

In my not-so-humble opinion, "both" our options this year fail in both their rhetoric and their records when it comes to all of the issues that are important to me:

War

the drug war

protecting the bill of rights and upholding the constitution

economics

health care

These are just my top five. The only candidate that comes close to my views on any of these topics was Ron Paul. But, according to the media, he was "crazy" and never had a chance. The Robomneys have made and will make all of these issues worse, not better. Can't vote for either of them. My conscience leaves me with no choice but to vote for a third party and "waste" my vote. Oh, well. Won't be the first time...

Libertarian or Green Party, here I come. Again.

wink

I truly see your point! Thanks

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Reply #54 posted 10/12/12 12:09pm

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Right on! cool

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Reply #55 posted 10/13/12 11:26am

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Most of the chemtrails vids/movies etc are really poorly made. Would it really be a suprise that the government is allowing the disposal of toxins in airplane fuel when they have promoted and forced something as deadly as fluoride in our water supply?

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