One was in it 4 the Art of music

One was in it 4 the Love of money

One was in it 4 the Approval of others...............

Graycap23 said:

One was in it 4 the Art of music

One was in it 4 the Love of money

One was in it 4 the Approval of others...............

all 3 had fathers who extremely helped the outcome of their fame

their fathers play a large part of who they are

Because Madonna remained with a major . Point blank.

If Prince remained on a major, he would have his output marketed still, concert sponsorship, etc etc. He would not have went off the grid so to speak which would have put him up there on the "so n so has a new one and here's the first single" level of awareness. This would have proven to make several songs as top 20 hits, keeping him just as relevant as Madonna and others.

To be on Madonnas level you have to be part of the machine..all the time.

Prince had brass balls to do what he did.

Graycap23 said:

scorp84 said:

Graycap23 said:

One was in it 4 the Art of music

One was in it 4 the Love of money

One was in it 4 the Approval of others...............

No, that applies to all 3 artists, like it or not...shit, that applies to EVERY artist

yup

[Edited 9/30/12 18:42pm]

StonedImmaculate said:

thedance said:

^

yeah it was fantastic to be a fan in the 80's.

Prince was a chameleon, with his ever changing images and styles, Prince = delivering 9 excellent albums in 1 decade (and incl. 2 double albums), I count The Black Album as a 87 album, even it wasn't release until 94.

(no artist has been that prolific in 1 decade ever before or ever since, as far as I am aware, not even The Beatles).

80 Dirty Mind

81 Controversy

82 1999

84 Purple Rain

85 Around The World

86 Parade

87 Sign O' The Times

88 Lovesexy

(The Black Album) the bootleg(s) = was a major succes in the purple underground in 88

89 Batman

82 Thriller

87 Bad

MJ did only release 2 fantastic and excellent pop album in the eighties.

I have never liked Madonna, her album "Like A Prayer" would be her only "good": imo.

And dont forget...

81 The Time

82 Vanity 6

82 What Time Is It?

84 The Glamorous Life

84 Ice Cream Castle

85 Romance 1600

85 The Family

86 Madhouse 8

87 Jill Jones

87 Madhouse 16

Simply put, there's a big difference between an artist and a pop star.

as a performer, Johnny Mathis is 2nd to none in one or more decades : http://www.discogs.com/ar...leases_All

about the BIG 3 : MJ will remain the #1 by far ,with only 2 albums, SURE !but on the one hand : Thriller shook the planet as an earthquake as you know (don't need to give figures) ; on the other hand , The Bad TOur included 123 concerts to 4.4 million fans across 15 countries. At the Time , he could strike 21 sold out concerts in a row only at Wembley (instead, he only did 7) The tour grossed $125 million ($247 million in 2012 currency , still the biggest grossing in the history for a single act). In the early 90s , he achieved another path with Dangerous (the best selling album in the world outside the US; still today)

when you said Big 3, big 4 ... you talk about Figures , and MJ has always Meant THE BIGGEST in this field.

justdavit said:

about the BIG 3 :

MJ will remain the #1 by far ,..and MJ has always Meant THE BIGGEST in this field.

^

nah.. here we go again:

recordsales maybe, otherwise: not really, both Prince and MJ were/are amazing.

MJ was the true king of "pop".

Prince still is the true king of "sexual funk".

btw Prince is ranked higher, a more important artist than MJ - ranked by the Rolling StonE:

Rolling Stone: 100 Greatest Artists of All Time: The Immortals

• This is RS magazine's list of the 100 greatest artists of all time.
• 1. The Beatles
• 2. Bob Dylan
• 3. Elvis Presley
• 4. Rolling Stones
• 5. Chuck Berry
• 6. Jimi Hendrix
• 7. James Brown
• 8. Little Richard
• 9. Aretha Franklin
• 10. Ray Charles
• 11. Bob Marley
• 12. The Beach Boys
• 13. Buddy Holly
• 14. Led Zeppelin
• 15. Stevie Wonder
• 16. Sam Cooke
• 17. Muddy Waters
• 18. Marvin Gaye
• 19. The Velvet Underground -
• 20. Bo Diddley
• 21. Otis Redding
• 22. U2
• 23. Bruce Springsteen
• 24. Jerry Lee Lewis
• 25. Fats Domino
• 26. The Ramones
• 27. Nirvana -
• 28. Prince
• 29. The Who
• 30. The Clash
• 31. Johnny Cash
• 32. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
• 33. The Everly Brothers
• 34. Neil Young
• 35. Michael Jackson

http://www.rollingstone.c...e-19691231

http://www.rollingstone.c...n-19691231

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[Edited 10/1/12 4:02am]

thedance said:

justdavit said:

about the BIG 3 :

MJ will remain the #1 by far ,..and MJ has always Meant THE BIGGEST in this field.

^

nah.. here we go again:

recordsales maybe, otherwise: not really, both Prince and MJ were/are amazing.

MJ was the true king of "pop".

Prince still is the true king of "sexual funk".

btw Prince is ranked higher, a more important artist than MJ - ranked by the Rolling StonE:

Rolling Stone: 100 Greatest Artists of All Time: The Immortals

• This is RS magazine's list of the 100 greatest artists of all time.
• 1. The Beatles
• 2. Bob Dylan
• 3. Elvis Presley
• 4. Rolling Stones
• 5. Chuck Berry
• 6. Jimi Hendrix
• 7. James Brown
• 8. Little Richard
• 9. Aretha Franklin
• 10. Ray Charles
• 11. Bob Marley
• 12. The Beach Boys
• 13. Buddy Holly
• 14. Led Zeppelin
• 15. Stevie Wonder
• 16. Sam Cooke
• 17. Muddy Waters
• 18. Marvin Gaye
• 19. The Velvet Underground -
• 20. Bo Diddley
• 21. Otis Redding
• 22. U2
• 23. Bruce Springsteen
• 24. Jerry Lee Lewis
• 25. Fats Domino
• 26. The Ramones
• 27. Nirvana -
• 28. Prince
• 29. The Who
• 30. The Clash
• 31. Johnny Cash
• 32. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
• 33. The Everly Brothers
• 34. Neil Young
• 35. Michael Jackson

http://www.rollingstone.c...e-19691231

http://www.rollingstone.c...n-19691231

.

[Edited 10/1/12 4:02am]

Not really shocking considering it's Rolling Stone. They say some really stupid stuff. The fact Elvis is 3 says a lot actually

scorp84 said:

Graycap23 said:

One was in it 4 the Art of music

One was in it 4 the Love of money

One was in it 4 the Approval of others...............

No, that applies to all 3 artists, like it or not...shit, that applies to EVERY artist

Lol............2 some degree I suppose u are right.

Gomp said:

Even though I love Prince more than any artist, Madonna was able to do something after the 80's andn 90's, that Prince wasn't able to... She remained *relevant*. For a 50+ year old artist who always aimed for the charts, I think it's an amazing feet, and she doesn't deserve the disrepect she gets a lot.

this is true

it reflected a lot of her being still connect and involved in 'everyday life' and social life

she challenged things addressed thing exposed things and that is a big part of what 'artists' do

Michael & Prince became very detached from 'everyday life' in the 1990s... Madonna still washes her own dishes and cleans up her own house vs P & MJ having someone do it for them (not saying one is bad or good) but shes very much in living, even her spiritual/religious searchings were a lot more touchable to people doing the same

Some of this could be the result of gender

You can't be still relevant and a part of pop culture still be in high demand by the top fashion designers and photographers as well us up coming dj and underground producers and not have talent and smarts. showing boob or butt doesn't do that

Graycap23 said:

scorp84 said:

Graycap23 said: No, that applies to all 3 artists, like it or not...shit, that applies to EVERY artist

Lol............2 some degree I suppose u are right.

lol I would say Michael having started out so young being a vessel 4 fame via his father was probably the one that didn't do it for the approval of others(outside 'FATHER') or for money

Who doesn't want to make money, Prince was poor and living home 2 home in Minneapolis and Madonna left home moved to NYC and lived poor ... so Money would have to be a part of it, nothing wrong with it

Ok, Madonna managed 2 stay in the picture but what she did on this last

tour could destroy that legacy....a lot of people thought it was silly 2 show "flesh" 4 a +50y old artist!!!! I think Prince gets more respect 4 his talent these days, thanx 2 his concerts

and musicianship.

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[Edited 10/1/12 8:17am]

Gomp said:

Even though I love Prince more than any artist, Madonna was able to do something after the 80's andn 90's, that Prince wasn't able to... She remained *relevant*. For a 50+ year old artist who always aimed for the charts, I think it's an amazing feet, and she doesn't deserve the disrepect she gets a lot.

I'm not sure how "staying relevant" has 2 do with making good music. Madonna has 3 or 4 songs in her whole career that I'd actually listen 2.

So my name is Endorphin
I can make U happy, U see
I come from Planet Venus and I'll take U there
U can be my ecstasy

The 80's are over and the time has come

4 a new proclamation of love and fun
Monogamy and trust is what I'm talkin' 'bout
I'll give up all my lovers if U can make me shout

Oh, S is 4 scandalous
E is 4 exciting
X is 4 adults-only
Let's do something frightening

Sex, sex
Can't stop the feelin' baby, nobody should
Sex, sex
Anything this dangerous has 2 be good

Now I'm the type of alien
Who knows just what he wants
But U're the type who plays in the trees
U got it maybe that's why U flaunt
Oh, I'll climb a thousand trees if I have 2
But baby I'm warning U
One of us is gonna end up on our knees

Sex, sex
Just can't stop the feeling baby, nobody should
Sex, sex
Anything this dangerous has 2 be good, good, good

Just has 2 be
Sex, sex

(Get up) On the chair baby
Let me dance under your skirt
(Get up) (Everybody on the dance floor now)
C'mon now
(Get up) Get up on the table now
Let me show U how 2 flirt
(Get up) (Ooh feels good, ooh feels good)
Ahh, ooh
I like it baby, when U let me touch U there
I like it girl, I knew U weren't wearin' any underwear (Get up)
Baby, is it wrong that I want U so?
I want U baby
I want U now
S. E. X.

Sex, sex
Can't stop the feeling baby, nobody should
Sex, sex
Anything this dangerous has 2 be good, good, good
Just has 2 be good

Fellas, all the boys that know about the good thing say, "Yeah yeah!"
And all the girls with no underwear on say, "Yes!" (Yes)
We gettin' funky 2night
Sex
Yo! Peep this out
Fellas, I want everybody saying it on the one, come on
S.E.X.
Say it (S.E.X.)
Come on, say S.E.X, say it (S.E.X.)
Keep that going fellas, come on (S.E.X.)
Yeah (S.E.X.)
Come on (S.E.X.)
Ladies back'em up one time (S.E.X.)
(S.E.X.) Is the best, (S.E.X.) is the best, come on
(S.E.X.) (Is the best) (S.E.X.) (Is the best)

One lover - sex
I don't think U heard me
One lover - sex
Yeah
2 lovers - death
Wit it?
2 lovers - death

So my name is Endorphin
I can make U happy, U see
I come from Planet Venus and I'll take U there
And U can be my ecstasy
Ooh sex (La la la la...) {x2}
Ooh sex, sex (La la la la...)
Ooh sex (La la la la...)

Now's the time 4 new proclamation of love and fun
U can be nasty with only one love, but only one
Ooh sex

© 1989 Controversy Music -

chopingard said:

Madonna is worth more than Prince because she has a very different approach to her work.

Prince will just record and record and record and release 10% if that of what he did then when it finally see's the light of day tosses it aside as he's got another idea in his head. He will think nothing of spending a million bucks on something that will never see the light of day.

Madonna famously is a scheduled task master who is constantly thinking about the cost of making the album and how to make it as profitable as possible. She's good at taking an idea and distiling it into a commercialy viable product that still holds the original point of the art. This is how she is consistantly making bigger profits

Prince makes it and puts it out with seemingly little editorial process or regard for commercial viablility.

I love them both and think they are both amazing perfomers artists and songwritters but they approach it in a very different way.

Princes approach to his label was mearly to get more of his songs released wether it made a profit or not. Madonna had nothing beyond executive involvment in the acts her label distributed and was more like a gallery curator than the all controlling svengali Prince was.

Horses for courses that has produced two very succesfull, rewarding and interesting careers

Very interesting assessment!

rdhull said:

Because Madonna remained with a major . Point blank.

If Prince remained on a major, he would have his output marketed still, concert sponsorship, etc etc. He would not have went off the grid so to speak which would have put him up there on the "so n so has a new one and here's the first single" level of awareness. This would have proven to make several songs as top 20 hits, keeping him just as relevant as Madonna and others.

To be on Madonnas level you have to be part of the machine..all the time.

Prince had brass balls to do what he did.

I heard that!

udo said:

So my name is Endorphin
I can make U happy, U see
I come from Planet Venus and I'll take U there
U can be my ecstasy

The 80's are over and the time has come

4 a new proclamation of love and fun
Monogamy and trust is what I'm talkin' 'bout
I'll give up all my lovers if U can make me shout

Oh, S is 4 scandalous
E is 4 exciting
X is 4 adults-only
Let's do something frightening

Sex, sex
Can't stop the feelin' baby, nobody should
Sex, sex
Anything this dangerous has 2 be good

Now I'm the type of alien
Who knows just what he wants
But U're the type who plays in the trees
U got it maybe that's why U flaunt
Oh, I'll climb a thousand trees if I have 2
But baby I'm warning U
One of us is gonna end up on our knees

Sex, sex
Just can't stop the feeling baby, nobody should
Sex, sex
Anything this dangerous has 2 be good, good, good

Just has 2 be
Sex, sex

(Get up) On the chair baby
Let me dance under your skirt
(Get up) (Everybody on the dance floor now)
C'mon now
(Get up) Get up on the table now
Let me show U how 2 flirt
(Get up) (Ooh feels good, ooh feels good)
Ahh, ooh
I like it baby, when U let me touch U there
I like it girl, I knew U weren't wearin' any underwear (Get up)
Baby, is it wrong that I want U so?
I want U baby
I want U now
S. E. X.

Sex, sex
Can't stop the feeling baby, nobody should
Sex, sex
Anything this dangerous has 2 be good, good, good
Just has 2 be good

Fellas, all the boys that know about the good thing say, "Yeah yeah!"
And all the girls with no underwear on say, "Yes!" (Yes)
We gettin' funky 2night
Sex
Yo! Peep this out
Fellas, I want everybody saying it on the one, come on
S.E.X.
Say it (S.E.X.)
Come on, say S.E.X, say it (S.E.X.)
Keep that going fellas, come on (S.E.X.)
Yeah (S.E.X.)
Come on (S.E.X.)
Ladies back'em up one time (S.E.X.)
(S.E.X.) Is the best, (S.E.X.) is the best, come on
(S.E.X.) (Is the best) (S.E.X.) (Is the best)

One lover - sex
I don't think U heard me
One lover - sex
Yeah
2 lovers - death
Wit it?
2 lovers - death

So my name is Endorphin
I can make U happy, U see
I come from Planet Venus and I'll take U there
And U can be my ecstasy
Ooh sex (La la la la...) {x2}
Ooh sex, sex (La la la la...)
Ooh sex (La la la la...)

Now's the time 4 new proclamation of love and fun
U can be nasty with only one love, but only one
Ooh sex

© 1989 Controversy Music -

What does the music in this song sound like?

So do some of you all think it really matters to own your masters?

Astasheiks said:

What does the music in this song sound like?

Very sparse stripped down synth-funk.

The Purple People on here know these tracks,ND.

thedance said:

NouveauDance said:

Prince was churning out albums too, not letting one breath before another one was hot off the press, overloading the market - great for us, bad for business.

^

yeah it was fantastic to be a fan in the 80's.

Prince was a chameleon, with his ever changing images and styles, Prince = delivering 9 excellent albums in 1 decade (and incl. 2 double albums), I count The Black Album as a 87 album, even it wasn't release until 94.

(no artist has been that prolific in 1 decade ever before or ever since, as far as I am aware, not even The Beatles).

80 Dirty Mind

81 Controversy

82 1999

84 Purple Rain

85 Around The World

86 Parade

87 Sign O' The Times

88 Lovesexy

(The Black Album) the bootleg(s) = was a major succes in the purple underground in 88

89 Batman

82 Thriller

87 Bad

MJ did only release 2 fantastic and excellent pop album in the eighties.

I have never liked Madonna, her album "Like A Prayer" would be her only "good": imo.

Michael was quite prolific in the 70s, if you include his J5 & Jacksons work. lol...

• ABC (1970)
• Third Album (1970)
• The Jackson 5 Christmas Album (1970)
• Maybe Tomorrow (1971)
• Goin' Back to Indiana (1971)
• Lookin' Through the Windows (1972)
• Skywriter (1973)
• G.I.T.: Get It Together (1973)
• Dancing Machine (1974)
• Moving Violation (1975)
• Joyful Jukebox Music (1976)

• The Jacksons (1976)
• Goin' Places (1977)
• Destiny (1978)
• Got to be there (1972)
• Ben (1972)
• Music & Me (1973)
• Forever Michael (1975)
• Off The Wall (1979)

I agree with you though, Madonna isnt quite on MJs & Prince's level. Prince was very prolific in the 80s!!!

aardvark15 said:

thedance said:

^

nah.. here we go again:

recordsales maybe, otherwise: not really, both Prince and MJ were/are amazing.

MJ was the true king of "pop".

Prince still is the true king of "sexual funk".

btw Prince is ranked higher, a more important artist than MJ - ranked by the Rolling StonE:

Rolling Stone: 100 Greatest Artists of All Time: The Immortals

• This is RS magazine's list of the 100 greatest artists of all time.
• 1. The Beatles
• 2. Bob Dylan
• 3. Elvis Presley
• 4. Rolling Stones
• 5. Chuck Berry
• 6. Jimi Hendrix
• 7. James Brown
• 8. Little Richard
• 9. Aretha Franklin
• 10. Ray Charles
• 11. Bob Marley
• 12. The Beach Boys
• 13. Buddy Holly
• 14. Led Zeppelin
• 15. Stevie Wonder
• 16. Sam Cooke
• 17. Muddy Waters
• 18. Marvin Gaye
• 19. The Velvet Underground -
• 20. Bo Diddley
• 21. Otis Redding
• 22. U2
• 23. Bruce Springsteen
• 24. Jerry Lee Lewis
• 25. Fats Domino
• 26. The Ramones
• 27. Nirvana -
• 28. Prince
• 29. The Who
• 30. The Clash
• 31. Johnny Cash
• 32. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
• 33. The Everly Brothers
• 34. Neil Young
• 35. Michael Jackson

http://www.rollingstone.c...e-19691231

http://www.rollingstone.c...n-19691231

.

[Edited 10/1/12 4:02am]

Not really shocking considering it's Rolling Stone. They say some really stupid stuff. The fact Elvis is 3 says a lot actually

Isnt this the same people who did the same list some years ago and had Alicia Keys, Timberlake, Coldplay and other contemporary artist as the top 100 ?

"There's something about those movies, I have to say, that is very endearing . I don't think that the acting is so great a lot of the times, but it has that excitement of youth, that I go, 'Yeah I get that!'" Andrew McCarthy (St Elmo's Fire, Pretty In Pink etc)

This is who I feel about the Big 3 and the 1980s

StonedImmaculate said:

thedance said:

^

yeah it was fantastic to be a fan in the 80's.

Prince was a chameleon, with his ever changing images and styles, Prince = delivering 9 excellent albums in 1 decade (and incl. 2 double albums), I count The Black Album as a 87 album, even it wasn't release until 94.

(no artist has been that prolific in 1 decade ever before or ever since, as far as I am aware, not even The Beatles).

80 Dirty Mind

81 Controversy

82 1999

84 Purple Rain

85 Around The World

86 Parade

87 Sign O' The Times

88 Lovesexy

(The Black Album) the bootleg(s) = was a major succes in the purple underground in 88

89 Batman

82 Thriller

87 Bad

MJ did only release 2 fantastic and excellent pop album in the eighties.

I have never liked Madonna, her album "Like A Prayer" would be her only "good": imo.

And dont forget...

81 The Time

82 Vanity 6

82 What Time Is It?

84 The Glamorous Life

84 Ice Cream Castle

85 Romance 1600

85 The Family

86 Madhouse 8

87 Jill Jones

87 Madhouse 16

Simply put, there's a big difference between an artist and a pop star.

"Simply put, there's a big difference between an artist and a pop star." - Very good statement IMO. Good Show Stoned!

thedance said:

justdavit said:

about the BIG 3 :

MJ will remain the #1 by far ,..and MJ has always Meant THE BIGGEST in this field.

^

nah.. here we go again:

recordsales maybe, otherwise: not really, both Prince and MJ were/are amazing.

MJ was the true king of "pop".

Prince still is the true king of "sexual funk".

btw Prince is ranked higher, a more important artist than MJ - ranked by the Rolling StonE:

Rolling Stone: 100 Greatest Artists of All Time: The Immortals

• This is RS magazine's list of the 100 greatest artists of all time.
• 1. The Beatles
• 2. Bob Dylan
• 3. Elvis Presley
• 4. Rolling Stones
• 5. Chuck Berry
• 6. Jimi Hendrix
• 7. James Brown
• 8. Little Richard
• 9. Aretha Franklin
• 10. Ray Charles
• 11. Bob Marley
• 12. The Beach Boys
• 13. Buddy Holly
• 14. Led Zeppelin
• 15. Stevie Wonder
• 16. Sam Cooke
• 17. Muddy Waters
• 18. Marvin Gaye
• 19. The Velvet Underground -
• 20. Bo Diddley
• 21. Otis Redding
• 22. U2
• 23. Bruce Springsteen
• 24. Jerry Lee Lewis
• 25. Fats Domino
• 26. The Ramones
• 27. Nirvana -
• 28. Prince
• 29. The Who
• 30. The Clash
• 31. Johnny Cash
• 32. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
• 33. The Everly Brothers
• 34. Neil Young
• 35. Michael Jackson

http://www.rollingstone.c...e-19691231

http://www.rollingstone.c...n-19691231

.

[Edited 10/1/12 4:02am]

Is there really only one women in the top 35?

chopingard said:

thedance said:

^

nah.. here we go again:

recordsales maybe, otherwise: not really, both Prince and MJ were/are amazing.

MJ was the true king of "pop".

Prince still is the true king of "sexual funk".

btw Prince is ranked higher, a more important artist than MJ - ranked by the Rolling StonE:

Rolling Stone: 100 Greatest Artists of All Time: The Immortals

• This is RS magazine's list of the 100 greatest artists of all time.
• 1. The Beatles
• 2. Bob Dylan
• 3. Elvis Presley
• 4. Rolling Stones
• 5. Chuck Berry
• 6. Jimi Hendrix
• 7. James Brown
• 8. Little Richard
• 9. Aretha Franklin
• 10. Ray Charles
• 11. Bob Marley
• 12. The Beach Boys
• 13. Buddy Holly
• 14. Led Zeppelin
• 15. Stevie Wonder
• 16. Sam Cooke
• 17. Muddy Waters
• 18. Marvin Gaye
• 19. The Velvet Underground -
• 20. Bo Diddley
• 21. Otis Redding
• 22. U2
• 23. Bruce Springsteen
• 24. Jerry Lee Lewis
• 25. Fats Domino
• 26. The Ramones
• 27. Nirvana -
• 28. Prince
• 29. The Who
• 30. The Clash
• 31. Johnny Cash
• 32. Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
• 33. The Everly Brothers
• 34. Neil Young
• 35. Michael Jackson

http://www.rollingstone.c...e-19691231

http://www.rollingstone.c...n-19691231

.

[Edited 10/1/12 4:02am]

Is there really only one women in the top 35?

Is Nirvanna seriously ranked above MJ and Prince?

in general, i think the more naturally gifted you are, the less willing you are to compromising your talent. and so the less universal and marketable you become.

which is to say the really gifted artists are never the richest. and money really doesn't matter as far as art goes.

Astasheiks said:

So do some of you all think it really matters to own your masters?

Why wouldn't they? There's money involved.

Also it's not hard to see about the fortunes of the always-mentioned threesome and their outcomes. It's become a broken record to discuss this really.