vainandy said:

GustavoRibas said:

- I didnt understand it too. Prince seemed free to do what he wanted to, lately. Cds with newspapers, Target promotion, etc...

And he is still releasing less amount of music/DVDs than in Warner days...

His latest fresh and new idea is being kept hush hush for the moment. He's planning to include his new album in "The Watchtower" magazine. The only way to get it, is to not slam the door in the Jehovah Witnesses' faces when they knock. It's Prince's way of fulfilling his door to door obligations without actually having to go through the act.

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Controversy said:

Smartest thing I have read on here for ages. Prince loves playing the victim and I am sick of his complaining. It's Warners, the record industry, the internet, mtv, ticketmaster, the gate keepers etc. Always someone else holding him back in his mind. He has been 'emancipated' for years yet the quality of his work and his relationship with his fans is worse than it ever was. Npg website and club is closed, he tried to take off youtube clips, no promotion on new music, barely any videos, no downloads, no singles, no remasters, no live dvd's, promotion of his girlfriends who can't sing, snippets of video which end up in the vault and nothing for the real fans. Thank god for bootlegs and his live shows.

I can see why people feel this way - I despair at no nice official DVDs for my collection - the drought should be broken on that by now - and it is so disappointing. But I have to say 2012 was fantastic for me being in Australia and seeing him live, it has rekindled my enthusiasmt - and all I can say is "thank goodness for bootlegs" too - because that has kept my enthusiasm flowing since seeing him live, or else it would have been a real downer after such wondeful live shows.

Thanks for keeping us up to date, Gav. Still miss MoQuake...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

daPrettyman said:

Does anyone think he will try to go back to WB (for music publishing)?

How many other companies are out there that you know of? I know Sony exists (other than Universal and WB). Are there any more big ones that you guys can think of?

Yes! BMI Publishing is a very popular publishing company that a lot of artist use. He may go with them. The part that the deal was done & finish weeks ago. Proves that Prince is up to something big. I think its all tied in to his masters. In a year and a half he will have ownership of the big "Purple Rain" masters. He is getting his house in order now..

No matter what people say about him here. which i don't really care. Prince is a brilliant business man & has made major strides in owning & controlling his brand. I can't wait to hear what Princey's next move is..Hopefully it will include his very own music channel & slay Magic & Diddy's new channels out the way..He should take notes what Lionel did & sell his product on a HSN network. Lionell was very successful at that. Plus 80's artist are back in now..People want to hear real music by real musicians again.....

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A MasterPiece...

Anything could happen because of this, whether its good or bad. Its a little too early to tell what Prince is planning on doing, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did somthing rediculous. I also think its pretty interesting that some of u guys are speculating a return to WB. Interesting... I thought the same thing for a second but I doubt anything of the sort would ever happen. But then again, its not like Prince HATED WB. Who really knows what or if anything is going to come out of this. But many of us agree that in the end, we just want a new album.

I really wish people on this thread would / could differentiate between a record label deal and a publishing agreement.

Prince's publishing agreements with Warner Chappell, and then Universal Music Publishing, had nothing to do with his music releases. These were deals with administrators who would handle the collection of royalties for use of an existing music catalog, including policing the 'net and other media for unlicensed uses. A publishing company could also be empowered to license the use of existing music in films, televesion, commercials; as well as approve samples, and the like. That's if the artist allowed it... We all know Prince is very restrictive when it comes to licensing his music--it's very rare that he does.

This has NOTHING to do with future releases, a record label, or new music. A publishing agreement is primarily concerned about managing the artist's catalog.

Of course, Kiran Sharma's statement about "fresh and new ideas for all his music" is quite vague (typical Prince) and lends itself to the speculation about new music. A publishing agreement (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with how new music will be released.

NuPwrSoul said:

I really wish people on this thread would / could differentiate between a record label deal and a publishing agreement.

Prince's publishing agreements with Warner Chappell, and then Universal Music Publishing, had nothing to do with his music releases. These were deals with administrators who would handle the collection of royalties for use of an existing music catalog, including policing the 'net and other media for unlicensed uses. A publishing company could also be empowered to license the use of existing music in films, televesion, commercials; as well as approve samples, and the like. That's if the artist allowed it... We all know Prince is very restrictive when it comes to licensing his music--it's very rare that he does.

This has NOTHING to do with future releases, a record label, or new music. A publishing agreement is primarily concerned about managing the artist's catalog.

Of course, Kiran Sharma's statement about "fresh and new ideas for all his music" is quite vague (typical Prince) and lends itself to the speculation about new music. A publishing agreement (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with how new music will be released.

Exactly!

Don`t know why people celebrate this as if he would now release more music....

onecrush said:

Gav said:

...passing on a message from Prince's manager, Kiran Sharma.

"We are pleased to announce that Prince and Universal have reached a mutual agreement in terminating their long standing publishing deal. It is an exciting opportunity for Prince to consider fresh and new ideas for all his music."

Remember, this is for Prince's PUBLISHING contract, not a record deal.

thanks for keeping us all informed Lord Gav, you're my hero

Ahhh I've missed you my lovely little prince-troll

I have loved prince and his music for many years as a fan.i seriously hope whatever this means we see some new work even through a new internet medium.i personally think if he doesnt use i-tunes,zune,and the like he is going to have problems.millions of others seem to do alright so i cant understand why he is so difficult.lets face it.the internet is here to stay.

linus4000 said:

NuPwrSoul said:

I really wish people on this thread would / could differentiate between a record label deal and a publishing agreement.

Prince's publishing agreements with Warner Chappell, and then Universal Music Publishing, had nothing to do with his music releases. These were deals with administrators who would handle the collection of royalties for use of an existing music catalog, including policing the 'net and other media for unlicensed uses. A publishing company could also be empowered to license the use of existing music in films, televesion, commercials; as well as approve samples, and the like. That's if the artist allowed it... We all know Prince is very restrictive when it comes to licensing his music--it's very rare that he does.

This has NOTHING to do with future releases, a record label, or new music. A publishing agreement is primarily concerned about managing the artist's catalog.

Of course, Kiran Sharma's statement about "fresh and new ideas for all his music" is quite vague (typical Prince) and lends itself to the speculation about new music. A publishing agreement (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with how new music will be released.

Exactly!

Don`t know why people celebrate this as if he would now release more music....

Maybe I'm blind, but I don't see many people on this thead "celebrating" this.

Controversy said:

Prince loves playing the victim and I am sick of his complaining. It's Warners, the record industry, the internet, mtv, ticketmaster, the gate keepers etc. Always someone else holding him back in his mind. He has been 'emancipated' for years yet the quality of his work and his relationship with his fans is worse than it ever was. Npg website and club is closed, he tried to take off youtube clips, no promotion on new music, barely any videos, no downloads, no singles, no remasters, no live dvd's, promotion of his girlfriends who can't sing, snippets of video which end up in the vault and nothing for the real fans. Thank god for bootlegs and his live shows.

I agree

SoulAlive said:

Controversy said:

Prince loves playing the victim and I am sick of his complaining. It's Warners, the record industry, the internet, mtv, ticketmaster, the gate keepers etc. Always someone else holding him back in his mind. He has been 'emancipated' for years yet the quality of his work and his relationship with his fans is worse than it ever was. Npg website and club is closed, he tried to take off youtube clips, no promotion on new music, barely any videos, no downloads, no singles, no remasters, no live dvd's, promotion of his girlfriends who can't sing, snippets of video which end up in the vault and nothing for the real fans. Thank god for bootlegs and his live shows.

I agree

Maybe he has retired and just not saying so. (from the recording and releasing game)

Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree

Maybe he has retired and just not saying so. (from the recording and releasing game)

I've been thinking the same way...

laurarichardson said:

Genesia said:

Has anyone else noticed how it's always someone else who keeps Prince from doing what he wants to do? He's never in the wrong - or to blame for anything.

Surely, he entered this arrangement willingly - just as he was a willing participant in his contracts with WB - and his marriages. Yet, when things go sour, it's because the other party is "holding him back."

Prince, ever the victim.

I do not recall any statement that he was forced to enter a deal with UMPG. Somebody has to collect the royalties. Like any business arrangement it came to an end. I am sure he will find another company to handle things perhaps even work out a better deal for himself.

I think you are the one putting a negative spin on it.

@ laurarichardson remarking on anyone else's negativity

this must be why no releases...he was waiting on this to happen...now something WILL happen

Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree

Maybe he has retired and just not saying so. (from the recording and releasing game)

I don't think he has yet. I would think we would get a lot of hoopla surrounding this is my last album of new material etc.

He is just waiting for a demand for his product to increase and thus his revenue. (Not from us, the hardcore fans, but the general casual fan.)

Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree

Maybe he has retired and just not saying so. (from the recording and releasing game)

Interesting point. I had a feeling even from his 2010-11 interviews that he was tired of "playing the game".

Genesia said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

language matters and I totally agree with you. Prince's statement are calculated and does paint him as the victim which is the only way his ego can comprehend life.

<-- runs to check the temperature in hell

It's pretty toasty. Bring some booze and we'll have a party

He's an egotist who loves money and recgnition... of course he'll release something soon, he can't help himself.

this is just bidniz

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince is a brilliant business man

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Quite possibly the funniest thing that has ever been posted on prince.org since its inception.

Gav said:

onecrush said:

thanks for keeping us all informed Lord Gav, you're my hero

Ahhh I've missed you my lovely little prince-troll

ahh i aint got no beef with u Gav. I guess after travelling across the globe between '88 and 2011 following the Purple Yoda i've burnt myself out... bottom line I don't think he is v relevant anymore...i feel he's boxed himself in2 a corner...where can he go from here? How will he release new music?

Anyway enough of that...if you're still into the whole Prince thing good luck to you. All the best. Take care

MikeA said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince is a brilliant business man

[Edited 7/9/12 16:05pm]

Quite possibly the funniest thing that has ever been posted on prince.org since its inception.

NuPwrSoul said:

KeithyT said:

I read this as him and UMPG just ending their deal, and he will now (if he has not already) go and shop around for a new deal with another publishing administering company.

I didnt read it as he, and/or his staff, now administering it all themselves.

Agreed... There is no way Prince will take on the responsibility of administering his publishing royalties and licenses all by himself. Who would he get to police the internet so strictly the way UMPG did for him?

More than likely he is shopping a new publishing deal. That, or his publishing will fall into disarray--and unlikely option since it would mean a lag in Prince getting royalties for his back-catalog, something valued at 8-10million a year last time I read. That's a lot of money to miss while he searches for a new option in adminstration.

(And I wish people would stop confusing publishing deals with record deals.)

Prince will probably try to do it himself, but not spend the money it takes to to it right. The result is his publishing will fall into the same disarray as his post warners catalog.

Here's what I'm hoping/dreaming: Prince has been in a hiatus recently, as he has been taking his time writing a new album, making sure it's going to be the best he's done in years. He's then going to approach Warner with this outstanding album, to sweeten a new record contract, which includes ownership of his back catalogue.

Probably won't happen, but who knows?

Whiskas31 said:

Here's what I'm hoping/dreaming: Prince has been in a hiatus recently, as he has been taking his time writing a new album, making sure it's going to be the best he's done in years. He's then going to approach Warner with this outstanding album, to sweeten a new record contract, which includes ownership of his back catalogue.

Probably won't happen, but who knows?

He already did that with "20T3N DELUXE"...But Warners offer wasn't good enough..So he scrapped it...

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Graycap23 said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree

Maybe he has retired and just not saying so. (from the recording and releasing game)

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Whiskas31 said:

Here's what I'm hoping/dreaming: Prince has been in a hiatus recently, as he has been taking his time writing a new album, making sure it's going to be the best he's done in years. He's then going to approach Warner with this outstanding album, to sweeten a new record contract, which includes ownership of his back catalogue.

Probably won't happen, but who knows?

He already did that "20T3N DELUXE"...But Warners offer wasn't good enough..So he scrapped it...

Probably because it wasn't an outstanding album, just a good one.

Wow...typical Prince thread... A little info and a lot of conjecture...

I just checked, this is the longest we've gone without a proper Prince album (by just a few months, but still, no news or anything. And yes, I get the difference between publishing and distribution...I'm just joneseing

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