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Thread started 05/24/12 8:01pm

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So Prince still isn't letting folks sing his songs on tv

Jessica Sanchez has "no regrets" about time on 'Idol'

http://usat.ly/KDsDrb
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Reply #1 posted 05/24/12 8:19pm

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Fury said:

Jessica Sanchez has "no regrets" about time on 'Idol' http://usat.ly/KDsDrb

For those who don't want to read the whole article:

Is there any song you wanted to sing this season but didn't get to?

I really wanted to sing How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore by Prince, I love that song and I really wanted to do it, but Prince isn't really clearing songs for shows right now.

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Reply #2 posted 05/24/12 8:25pm

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I'm actually okay with that.
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Reply #3 posted 05/24/12 8:51pm

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I think Prince messed up on that one. Like it or hate it, American Idol has a huge audience. If Prince had let Sanchez sing that song, a lot of people would have been curious about what the original sounded like and googled it. Prince could have gotten himself a bunch of new fans - especially since How Come U Don't Call Me wasn't a pop hit (even though it is a great song).

Short sighted. Besides, Prince already let The Voice judges do a medley of his songs easlier this year, so why say "no" to American Idol?

[Edited 5/24/12 20:51pm]

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Reply #4 posted 05/24/12 9:21pm

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One of the contestants in the blind audtions for The Voice here in Australia did How Come You Donlt Call Me

Saddest thing is I heard people say it was an Alicia Keys song!!!!!

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Reply #5 posted 05/24/12 9:34pm

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2 of the gals on the Voice here is Oz did Purple Rain.

They murdered it, took it out back, shot it again, and then ran over it in their cars 10 times.

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Reply #6 posted 05/24/12 9:47pm

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67TBirdHeartAttack said:

One of the contestants in the blind audtions for The Voice here in Australia did How Come You Donlt Call Me

Saddest thing is I heard people say it was an Alicia Keys song!!!!!

That must've been Eric Benet. smile

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Reply #7 posted 05/25/12 4:06am

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CarolineC said:

I think Prince messed up on that one. Like it or hate it, American Idol has a huge audience. If Prince had let Sanchez sing that song, a lot of people would have been curious about what the original sounded like and googled it. Prince could have gotten himself a bunch of new fans - especially since How Come U Don't Call Me wasn't a pop hit (even though it is a great song).

Short sighted. Besides, Prince already let The Voice judges do a medley of his songs easlier this year, so why say "no" to American Idol?

[Edited 5/24/12 20:51pm]

Yes, you are so much more visionary than Prince, eh? I mean, seeing as he's already actually performed himself on American Idol, its so obvious that he misses all the "tricks" confused

Regardless, as far as I'm aware, they don't have to ask for his permission (as long as they are not making significant changes to the lyrics or arrangement), but perhaps they are doing so out of courtesy?

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Reply #8 posted 05/25/12 8:42am

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Good point Mindflux. Personally, I think others should sing any song. There is a lot of undiscovered talent on there and Adele is winning when it comes to her covers. True though that few ever know who actually wrote the original. I was one who though Howcome u don't call was Alicia's. Ha ha. But does it really matter in the big scheme of things? Are we still praising Thomas Edison's lightbulb though we've moved onto solar panels? It's like water wearing down rock and forming the future. All natural. cool

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Reply #9 posted 05/25/12 5:21pm

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Mindflux said:

CarolineC said:

I think Prince messed up on that one. Like it or hate it, American Idol has a huge audience. If Prince had let Sanchez sing that song, a lot of people would have been curious about what the original sounded like and googled it. Prince could have gotten himself a bunch of new fans - especially since How Come U Don't Call Me wasn't a pop hit (even though it is a great song).

Short sighted. Besides, Prince already let The Voice judges do a medley of his songs easlier this year, so why say "no" to American Idol?

[Edited 5/24/12 20:51pm]

Yes, you are so much more visionary than Prince, eh? I mean, seeing as he's already actually performed himself on American Idol, its so obvious that he misses all the "tricks" confused

Regardless, as far as I'm aware, they don't have to ask for his permission (as long as they are not making significant changes to the lyrics or arrangement), but perhaps they are doing so out of courtesy?

The songs have to be cleared in order to be performed by the copyright holder of the composition. I believe they have to pay a certain fee to play it.

Another reason I think he may not have wanted it done is that Idol here sells downloads of the songs immediately after the show broadcasts. Maybe Prince didn't want the song distributed that way by an unknown.

In the past, Stephanie Edwards performed "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore" on American Idol, so the song has been done on there.

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Reply #10 posted 05/25/12 8:15pm

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Mindflux said:

CarolineC said:

I think Prince messed up on that one. Like it or hate it, American Idol has a huge audience. If Prince had let Sanchez sing that song, a lot of people would have been curious about what the original sounded like and googled it. Prince could have gotten himself a bunch of new fans - especially since How Come U Don't Call Me wasn't a pop hit (even though it is a great song).

Short sighted. Besides, Prince already let The Voice judges do a medley of his songs easlier this year, so why say "no" to American Idol?

[Edited 5/24/12 20:51pm]

Yes, you are so much more visionary than Prince, eh? I mean, seeing as he's already actually performed himself on American Idol, its so obvious that he misses all the "tricks" confused

Regardless, as far as I'm aware, they don't have to ask for his permission (as long as they are not making significant changes to the lyrics or arrangement), but perhaps they are doing so out of courtesy?

Idol typically does make significant changes to arrangements. Contestants who don’t change the arrangement are derided.

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Reply #11 posted 05/25/12 8:32pm

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I have no problem with him not letting people sing his songs on these shows.

If Amer Idol was more about good music and less about appealing to ten year old girls I wouldn't

have any problem with it. But it's not. The performances take up about 10% of each show, while the background stories, the judges, the voting - are all bullshit filler.

At the very inform us who the composers/original artists are (or play the original songs for comparison)and educate the masses.

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Reply #12 posted 05/26/12 12:51am

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daPrettyman said:

Mindflux said:

Yes, you are so much more visionary than Prince, eh? I mean, seeing as he's already actually performed himself on American Idol, its so obvious that he misses all the "tricks" confused

Regardless, as far as I'm aware, they don't have to ask for his permission (as long as they are not making significant changes to the lyrics or arrangement), but perhaps they are doing so out of courtesy?

The songs have to be cleared in order to be performed by the copyright holder of the composition. I believe they have to pay a certain fee to play it.

Another reason I think he may not have wanted it done is that Idol here sells downloads of the songs immediately after the show broadcasts. Maybe Prince didn't want the song distributed that way by an unknown.

In the past, Stephanie Edwards performed "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore" on American Idol, so the song has been done on there.

Hey smile

You're partially right. The songs don't have to be cleared by the copyright holder - songs can be performed, covered and even recorded and sold without the owner's permission. It happens all the time. So, Prince could not stop American Idol using his songs. The bit that you are right about is they have to pay a licence fee to use the music (which is always the case).

So, I did a bit of research and it turns out that it is actually Fox's budget constraints on the show which prevent certain artist's songs being performed. For example, you won't hear any Beatles on AI, because they're way too expensive. It seems this is also the case with Prince tracks. However, Fox can (and do) negotiate deals with the publishers to pay a lower fee in return for the exposure they would get. It would seem, in this case, Prince didn't feel the exposure was worth it.

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Reply #13 posted 05/26/12 12:52am

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jpnyc said:

Mindflux said:

Yes, you are so much more visionary than Prince, eh? I mean, seeing as he's already actually performed himself on American Idol, its so obvious that he misses all the "tricks" confused

Regardless, as far as I'm aware, they don't have to ask for his permission (as long as they are not making significant changes to the lyrics or arrangement), but perhaps they are doing so out of courtesy?

Idol typically does make significant changes to arrangements. Contestants who don’t change the arrangement are derided.

See my post above wink

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Reply #14 posted 05/26/12 5:55am

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XNY said:

I have no problem with him not letting people sing his songs on these shows.

If Amer Idol was more about good music and less about appealing to ten year old girls I wouldn't

have any problem with it. But it's not. The performances take up about 10% of each show, while the background stories, the judges, the voting - are all bullshit filler.

At the very inform us who the composers/original artists are (or play the original songs for comparison)and educate the masses.

So you must have been over the moon when Prince himself performed on the show.

Oh, what's that? Does that FACT contradict your opinion? What are you going to do now?

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Reply #15 posted 05/26/12 6:40am

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Mindflux said:

daPrettyman said:

The songs have to be cleared in order to be performed by the copyright holder of the composition. I believe they have to pay a certain fee to play it.

Another reason I think he may not have wanted it done is that Idol here sells downloads of the songs immediately after the show broadcasts. Maybe Prince didn't want the song distributed that way by an unknown.

In the past, Stephanie Edwards performed "How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore" on American Idol, so the song has been done on there.

Hey smile

You're partially right. The songs don't have to be cleared by the copyright holder - songs can be performed, covered and even recorded and sold without the owner's permission. It happens all the time. So, Prince could not stop American Idol using his songs. The bit that you are right about is they have to pay a licence fee to use the music (which is always the case).

So, I did a bit of research and it turns out that it is actually Fox's budget constraints on the show which prevent certain artist's songs being performed. For example, you won't hear any Beatles on AI, because they're way too expensive. It seems this is also the case with Prince tracks. However, Fox can (and do) negotiate deals with the publishers to pay a lower fee in return for the exposure they would get. It would seem, in this case, Prince didn't feel the exposure was worth it.

[Edited 5/26/12 0:54am]

Ahhh....Thanx. smile

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Reply #16 posted 05/26/12 5:53pm

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So, I did a bit of research and it turns out that it is actually Fox's budget constraints on the show which prevent certain artist's songs being performed. For example, you won't hear any Beatles on AI, because they're way too expensive.

Beatles songs have been performed many, many times on AI. They even had a Beatles week in 2010.

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Reply #17 posted 05/28/12 2:22pm

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daPrettyman said:

Mindflux said:

Hey smile

You're partially right. The songs don't have to be cleared by the copyright holder - songs can be performed, covered and even recorded and sold without the owner's permission. It happens all the time. So, Prince could not stop American Idol using his songs. The bit that you are right about is they have to pay a licence fee to use the music (which is always the case).

So, I did a bit of research and it turns out that it is actually Fox's budget constraints on the show which prevent certain artist's songs being performed. For example, you won't hear any Beatles on AI, because they're way too expensive. It seems this is also the case with Prince tracks. However, Fox can (and do) negotiate deals with the publishers to pay a lower fee in return for the exposure they would get. It would seem, in this case, Prince didn't feel the exposure was worth it.

[Edited 5/26/12 0:54am]

Ahhh....Thanx. smile

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Reply #18 posted 05/28/12 8:08pm

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Good for their asses. Least they won't be allowed to butcher his shit. lol

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Reply #19 posted 05/28/12 10:01pm

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dplatt said:

So, I did a bit of research and it turns out that it is actually Fox's budget constraints on the show which prevent certain artist's songs being performed. For example, you won't hear any Beatles on AI, because they're way too expensive.

Beatles songs have been performed many, many times on AI. They even had a Beatles week in 2010.

I think the point is they don't sing them very often do to budget constraints. The beatles week was used to promote the VEGAS Beatles show.

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Reply #20 posted 05/29/12 5:37am

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kewlschool said:

dplatt said:

Beatles songs have been performed many, many times on AI. They even had a Beatles week in 2010.

I think the point is they don't sing them very often do to budget constraints. The beatles week was used to promote the VEGAS Beatles show.

Quite right.

Consider that it can cost around US$500,000 to use a Beatles song and you'll understand why you won't be hearing them that often. Of course, the show makes a lot of money, but it won't if it continually has to fork out that kind of money! (by the way, that's PER PERFORMANCE!).

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Reply #21 posted 05/29/12 7:40am

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BartVanHemelen said:

XNY said:

I have no problem with him not letting people sing his songs on these shows.

If Amer Idol was more about good music and less about appealing to ten year old girls I wouldn't

have any problem with it. But it's not. The performances take up about 10% of each show, while the background stories, the judges, the voting - are all bullshit filler.

At the very inform us who the composers/original artists are (or play the original songs for comparison)and educate the masses.

So you must have been over the moon when Prince himself performed on the show.

Oh, what's that? Does that FACT contradict your opinion? What are you going to do now?

did you not see the apperance? it was garbage! if anything it confirms what XNY said about the poor quality of the show.

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Reply #22 posted 05/29/12 8:11am

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I think Prince messed up on that one. Like it or hate it, American Idol has a huge audience. If Prince had let Sanchez sing that song, a lot of people would have been curious about what the original sounded like and googled it. Prince could have gotten himself a bunch of new fans - especially since How Come U Don't Call Me wasn't a pop hit (even though it is a great song).

Short sighted. Besides, Prince already let The Voice judges do a medley of his songs easlier this year, so why say "no" to American Idol?

[Edited 5/24/12 20:51pm]

U think Prince is short sighted after 30 plus years in the entertainment business?

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Reply #23 posted 05/29/12 9:07am

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Personally I kind of love that about him. He protects his work rather than lines his pockets. Too many artists are desperate to license their music to whatever horrible show or product wants to use it.

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Reply #24 posted 05/29/12 2:48pm

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CarolineC said:

I think Prince messed up on that one. Like it or hate it, American Idol has a huge audience. If Prince had let Sanchez sing that song, a lot of people would have been curious about what the original sounded like and googled it. Prince could have gotten himself a bunch of new fans - especially since How Come U Don't Call Me wasn't a pop hit (even though it is a great song).

Short sighted. Besides, Prince already let The Voice judges do a medley of his songs easlier this year, so why say "no" to American Idol?

[Edited 5/24/12 20:51pm]

U think Prince is short sighted after 30 plus years in the entertainment business?

Well if someone were judging based on that decision, then he's without a doubt short sighted, and its not his past business affairs say do anything to contradict this lol

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Reply #25 posted 05/29/12 3:12pm

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Prince doesn't mind copying other musicians'their ideas, now does he?

** He copied the name of one of his albums from a Dutch band. He had no problem with doing that.

Golden Earring released N.E.W.S. in 1984. About 19 years before Prince released his N.E.W.S. album.

** He copied the idea of two sisters in one band: http://www.loislane.nl/

To be honest, he wrote a great song for them, that was a hit. So, you would never hear Loislane complain wink

And there sure are a lot of more examples than just these two.

However, I think copying or 'being inspired by', is not a bad thing. It just shows he has a sharp and sensitive antenna for what works and is good.


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Reply #26 posted 05/30/12 10:00am

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johnrare123 said:

Personally I kind of love that about him. He protects his work rather than lines his pockets. Too many artists are desperate to license their music to whatever horrible show or product wants to use it.

But its not Prince's decision confused

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dJJ said:

Prince doesn't mind copying other musicians'their ideas, now does he?

** He copied the name of one of his albums from a Dutch band. He had no problem with doing that.

Golden Earring released N.E.W.S. in 1984. About 19 years before Prince released his N.E.W.S. album.

** He copied the idea of two sisters in one band: http://www.loislane.nl/

To be honest, he wrote a great song for them, that was a hit. So, you would never hear Loislane complain wink

And there sure are a lot of more examples than just these two.

However, I think copying or 'being inspired by', is not a bad thing. It just shows he has a sharp and sensitive antenna for what works and is good.


I hope there are more examples, because those 2 you've provided are terrible! Please try harder wink

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Reply #28 posted 05/30/12 10:10am

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ManlyMoose said:

Graycap23 said:

U think Prince is short sighted after 30 plus years in the entertainment business?

Well if someone were judging based on that decision, then he's without a doubt short sighted, and its not his past business affairs say do anything to contradict this lol

Did you actually read the thread? If you had, you would know that this "decision" (as, it wasn't a decision) has already been dealt with.

Furthermore, you're implying that he's shit at business. Right - 35 years in the game, made multiple millions of dollars, in the top 30 best-selling artists of all time, still makes huge amounts from touring.....erm, excuse me if I question your judgement at all!

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Reply #29 posted 05/30/12 3:24pm

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Mindflux said:

dJJ said:

Prince doesn't mind copying other musicians'their ideas, now does he?

** He copied the name of one of his albums from a Dutch band. He had no problem with doing that.

Golden Earring released N.E.W.S. in 1984. About 19 years before Prince released his N.E.W.S. album.

** He copied the idea of two sisters in one band: http://www.loislane.nl/

To be honest, he wrote a great song for them, that was a hit. So, you would never hear Loislane complain wink

And there sure are a lot of more examples than just these two.

However, I think copying or 'being inspired by', is not a bad thing. It just shows he has a sharp and sensitive antenna for what works and is good.


I hope there are more examples, because those 2 you've provided are terrible! Please try harder wink

lol lol

No, need help with that. There sure are orgers who can complete the list.

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