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Thread started 03/19/12 9:16am

Jatrig

Wish List for Prince Relevancy

1. Stop working with Andy Allo.

2. Recognize that "working with" talented artists doesn't have to mean producing a waterered-down album w/ the artist's vocals as the only thing distinquishing the album from a half-hearted prince effort

3. go back (yes, to be relevant now, dig deep) and watch your live shows from 1993-1994, and listen to Parade. Listen to it again.

4. Listen to four artists: Santogold, MIA, Azealia Banks and Janelle Monae.

5. Make an album w/ these four artists as collaborators - bring on ?Love as executive producer to keep you in check from making another indulgent hallow shell of what made you innovative.

6. Release the album purely on youtube - and allow the artists you collaborated with (above) to work to distribute and push the material. stay back.

7. Stop giving interviews to the media - go back to how you were before - mysterious. You're above it. No need to talk about your faith, your disbelief in the internet, or any other personally held view that is irrelevant to your music and that only makes you seem kinda cooky. Remember - you're cool as hell - but because of the music you play.

8. Pick up the purpleaxxe - and use it often, and in public. Continue picking up the bass guitar. play it often. keep avoiding horns.

9. Listen to "Exodus." Pay attention to "hallucination rain" and "Exodus has begun." - People weren't ready for that shit in 1996. The public is more ready for it now. Lay it on us.

10. Get back to the remixes. No, they may not sell as "maxi-singles" anymore - but if you use the artists listed above, and even enlist the help of some NYC acts -- you can release them as mixtapes....and get back on the underground radio tip.

[Edited 3/19/12 9:20am]

[Edited 3/19/12 10:04am]

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Reply #1 posted 03/19/12 9:27am

rdhull

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It's not 1982, but 2012, and Prince is 53, not 25.

Relevancy? Yall need to just stop and log off into reality.

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #2 posted 03/19/12 9:30am

80spfantwp

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Jatrig said:

1. Stop working with promoting Andy Allo as a talented guitar player; while we're at it she can't draw wink

2. Recognize that "working with" talented artists doesn't have to mean producing waterered-down album w/ the artist's vocals as the only thing distinquishing the album from a half-hearted prince effort

yeahthat

3 and 7

headbang

8. Pick up the purpleaxxe - and use it often, and in public. Continue picking up the bass guitar. play it often. keep avoiding horns.

9. Listen to "Exodus." Pay attention to "hallucination rain" and "Exodus has begun." - People weren't ready for that shit in 1996. The public is more ready for it now. Lay it on us. Just remove Sonny T vocals and never let him on lead vocals again

[Edited 3/19/12 9:20am]

[Edited 3/19/12 9:30am]

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Reply #3 posted 03/19/12 9:30am

Jatrig

rdhull said:

It's not 1982, but 2012, and Prince is 53, not 25.

Relevancy? Yall need to just stop and log off into reality.

totally disagree man. I hear where you're coming from..... and I agree that you can't expect an old man w/ a 30+ year career to ever be "hip" - but talent is timeless, and if the man tapped in to the extent to which new artists are using what he innovated, he could become relevant - not in the "american idol" kinda way. There's no examples to point to -- because there's not many other people w/ his musical talent - it's not just his age, persona, and showmanship I'm talking about.

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Reply #4 posted 03/19/12 9:32am

Jatrig

80spfantwp said:

Jatrig said:

1. Stop working with promoting Andy Allo as a talented guitar player; while we're at it she can't draw wink

2. Recognize that "working with" talented artists doesn't have to mean producing waterered-down album w/ the artist's vocals as the only thing distinquishing the album from a half-hearted prince effort

yeahthat

3 and 7

headbang

8. Pick up the purpleaxxe - and use it often, and in public. Continue picking up the bass guitar. play it often. keep avoiding horns.

9. Listen to "Exodus." Pay attention to "hallucination rain" and "Exodus has begun." - People weren't ready for that shit in 1996. The public is more ready for it now. Lay it on us. Just remove Sonny T vocals and never let him on lead vocals again

[Edited 3/19/12 9:20am]

[Edited 3/19/12 9:30am]

Agreed on Sonny T!!! The nerd in me is coming through - but oh how I long for a rock version of Love They Wil Be Done w/ out Sonny T's vocals

[Edited 3/19/12 9:32am]

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Reply #5 posted 03/19/12 9:41am

TheDigitalGard
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Jatrig said:

4. Listen to four artists: Janelle Monae.

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Reply #6 posted 03/19/12 10:04am

Jatrig

TheDigitalGardener said:

Jatrig said:

4. Listen to four artists: Janelle Monae.

Don't know what you're talking about. Move on, nothing to see here. wink

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Reply #7 posted 03/19/12 10:06am

TrevorAyer

yeah m i a is pretty great .. he could listen to die antwoord and here some real bangin shit

bjork would be a good influence as well

antony and the johnsons .. what a voice

instead of playing with CRAP like autotune ..

prince could stop rapping .. stop braggin .. stop name dropping in songs .. stop writing songs like they are a chapter in a boring religious textbook or a halmark card

he could stop wearing makup and bea arthurs wardrobe

he could stop playing cover tunes

he could hire a REAL band .. with REAL talent .. sorry but there are cover bands at bars in new orleans that play tighter than prince line up

PLEASE FIRE RENATO .. PLEASE!!!!

start writing poetry again .. not songs that rhyme .. POETRY!!!!!

experiment with sounds EXTERNALLY .. please we dont need stock beats stock sounds and the stupid notion that prince used autotune creatively .. come on princey .. wtf too many prescription pills and wine .. something is deeply missing from this guys personality these days ..

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Reply #8 posted 03/19/12 10:07am

Genesia

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rdhull said:

It's not 1982, but 2012, and Prince is 53, not 25.

Relevancy? Yall need to just stop and log off into reality.

Exactly.

Prince will always be relevant, to me. The fuck do I care if 14-year-olds dig him? shrug

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
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Reply #9 posted 03/19/12 10:13am

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Exodus is great HR is one of my favourite tracks ever - he has done stuff like that since - The War, some of TRC, Colonized Mind, off the top of my head, there's probably a couple more.

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Reply #10 posted 03/19/12 10:15am

NouveauDance

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TrevorAyer said:

he could stop wearing makup and bea arthurs wardrobe

spit So that's who got it after she passed!

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Reply #11 posted 03/19/12 10:44am

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pray "God, please make Prince relevant to the mainstream masses so my friends won't think I'm uncool for listening to his music, Amen."

When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #12 posted 03/19/12 11:03am

Jatrig

HonestMan13 said:

pray "God, please make Prince relevant to the mainstream masses so my friends won't think I'm uncool for listening to his music, Amen."

Missing the point, and my definition of relevance. Relevance is not being cool to 14 year olds, nor does it entail being "popular" to the mainstream masses. It's about music. Today, being musically relevant has very little to do with being popular or appealing to teenagers. I was referring to the former, not the latter.

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Reply #13 posted 03/19/12 12:29pm

Romeoblu

His music is still relevant to me, Mia etc are not relevant to me or any the people of various ages and tastes I know.

Who decides what is relevant, you, Pitchfork, MTV?
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Reply #14 posted 03/19/12 2:03pm

TheDigitalGard
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Romeoblu said:

Who decides what is relevant, you, Pitchfork, MTV?

........Shona at Greggs?

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Reply #15 posted 03/19/12 2:16pm

HonestMan13

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Jatrig said:

HonestMan13 said:

pray "God, please make Prince relevant to the mainstream masses so my friends won't think I'm uncool for listening to his music, Amen."

Missing the point, and my definition of relevance. Relevance is not being cool to 14 year olds, nor does it entail being "popular" to the mainstream masses. It's about music. Today, being musically relevant has very little to do with being popular or appealing to teenagers. I was referring to the former, not the latter.

That term could mean anything and everything under the sun. The artists you mentioned are essentially rappers and Prince has been there and done that. Just because they might be hot now doesn't make the collaboration 'relevant' any more than when he worked with Eve. It's all in the ear of the listener what is and isn't relevant. As for the appealing to teenagers I never said that. Frankly it seems the adult fans have problems with Prince's 'relevancy' and the younger fans just want to listen to the music. I met a 19 year old in Minneapolis for the revolution show. She wasn't even alive when Prince was at his height of fame and he still is extremely relevant to her.

When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #16 posted 03/19/12 2:21pm

NDRU

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Prince, please only talk about religion when it is in a form that your fans can relate to. Any more makes their brains hurt.

Please use the instruments that I like best

Please copy the specific songs from your past that I like best

Please become younger so that I may see you dance like you used to.

Go back to more talented proteges, such as you had with Vanity and Carmen.

In fact, why not just send me back to the 80's so that I can doscover you for the first time, again?

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Reply #17 posted 03/19/12 2:23pm

uuhson

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really theres only one thing he would need, actual desire to be marketed to people. you cant be relevant if you keep all your work locked up

Bogey and Bacall, peanut butter and jelly, Wall being on fucking point, is "classic" dipshit. An iphone is top shelf technology. Get it straight. This thing is 4g. -Wall the great
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Reply #18 posted 03/19/12 2:24pm

swanny

I see this place is as mad as ever. So OP, you tell Prince to listen to Parade and then listen to it again, But then tell him to keep avoding horns?

Loon.

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Reply #19 posted 03/19/12 2:27pm

Jatrig

HonestMan13 said:

Jatrig said:

Missing the point, and my definition of relevance. Relevance is not being cool to 14 year olds, nor does it entail being "popular" to the mainstream masses. It's about music. Today, being musically relevant has very little to do with being popular or appealing to teenagers. I was referring to the former, not the latter.

That term could mean anything and everything under the sun. The artists you mentioned are essentially rappers and Prince has been there and done that. Just because they might be hot now doesn't make the collaboration 'relevant' any more than when he worked with Eve. It's all in the ear of the listener what is and isn't relevant. As for the appealing to teenagers I never said that. Frankly it seems the adult fans have problems with Prince's 'relevancy' and the younger fans just want to listen to the music. I met a 19 year old in Minneapolis for the revolution show. She wasn't even alive when Prince was at his height of fame and he still is extremely relevant to her.

typing Monae, Santogold, MIA and Banks as nothing but mere "rappers," and equating them to EVE is a fundamental error IMO. The artists I mentioned are heads and shoulders more cutting edge w/ their "music" (not just rapping). In fact, only a small minority of Monae's songs contain "rap." I think each of them would feel insulted at such comparisons and being called "rappers." Sorta like calling Lenny Kravitz a R&B act. I could've thrown Radiohead in the mix also, but I didn't.

Yes, I get that "relevance" is a subjective term - and heck neil diamond is "relevant" to my dad to this day - but I was speaking more broadly in terms of cutting edge music that is impacting the overall game -- not whether particular 19 year olds listen to them. If that were the argument - I'd be the first to say he's relevant. I'm 31 - and started listening to prince when I was 14 - in 1994 -- his old shit was way relevant to me then, and remains so to this day. But his sound isn't on a broader level. If that's too abstract and general then point taken and fair enough.

[Edited 3/19/12 14:28pm]

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Reply #20 posted 03/19/12 3:51pm

EyeJester7

Jatrig said:

1. Stop working with Andy Allo.

WHY? She's Pretty Talented... mad Haha

2. Recognize that "working with" talented artists doesn't have to mean producing a waterered-down album w/ the artist's vocals as the only thing distinquishing the album from a half-hearted prince effort

yeahthat In some essence...It's true that those talented artists, only lend their vocals. WOW, I never thought about that, even though that is OBVIOUS AS O B V I O U S can get.lol. I think that his latest 'Elixer' was excellent with the exception of maybe 3 songs. The rest is heaven, I don't care what anyone says..lol

3. go back (yes, to be relevant now, dig deep) and watch your live shows from 1993-1994, and listen to Parade. Listen to it again.

hmm Makes no sense...The past is OVER. Why repeat the same steps only to get the same results, to only a new audience. A tad bit pointless to me...

4. Listen to four artists: Santogold, MIA, Azealia Banks and Janelle Monae.

O THE HUMANITY! sigh

5. Make an album w/ these four artists as collaborators - bring on ?Love as executive producer to keep you in check from making another indulgent hallow shell of what made you innovative.

Same As Above...Althought ?Love would be cool as an executive producer. BUT when has Prince allowed anyone else other than himself produce a whole album? disbelief It ain't happening.

6. Release the album purely on youtube - and allow the artists you collaborated with (above) to work to distribute and push the material. stay back.

nod ...That would be cool..With the exception of those he collaborated with...

7. Stop giving interviews to the media - go back to how you were before - mysterious. You're above it. No need to talk about your faith, your disbelief in the internet, or any other personally held view that is irrelevant to your music and that only makes you seem kinda cooky. Remember - you're cool as hell - but because of the music you play.

nod biggrin ..I actually love his interviews, but I rather he kept a more mysterious persona. When he is asked about world events, he seems out of touch! This is all due to the fact that he doesn't allowed his voice to be recorded..SHAME! lol

8. Pick up the purpleaxxe - and use it often, and in public. Continue picking up the bass guitar. play it often. keep avoiding horns.

Keep avoiding Horns??? Sometimes it's out of hand, than their times when it's slamming! I agree about the purpleaxxe though! smile

9. Listen to "Exodus." Pay attention to "hallucination rain" and "Exodus has begun." - People weren't ready for that shit in 1996. The public is more ready for it now. Lay it on us.

headbang Hecks YEAH!! I want that now! He has release songs similar to that though! smile Boom/Colonized Mind/Etc..NouveauDance hit on some of those jams!

10. Get back to the remixes. No, they may not sell as "maxi-singles" anymore - but if you use the artists listed above, and even enlist the help of some NYC acts -- you can release them as mixtapes....and get back on the underground radio tip.

NO... ill

I know this is a 'Wish List' but your wishlist is outside reality. I thought wishes had to have some sense of realness...lol

[Edited 3/19/12 9:20am]

[Edited 3/19/12 10:04am]

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Reply #21 posted 03/20/12 1:37am

jonylawson

Jatrig said:

1. Stop working with Andy Allo.

2. Recognize that "working with" talented artists doesn't have to mean producing a waterered-down album w/ the artist's vocals as the only thing distinquishing the album from a half-hearted prince effort

3. go back (yes, to be relevant now, dig deep) and watch your live shows from 1993-1994, and listen to Parade. Listen to it again.

4. Listen to four artists: Santogold, MIA, Azealia Banks and Janelle Monae.

5. Make an album w/ these four artists as collaborators - bring on ?Love as executive producer to keep you in check from making another indulgent hallow shell of what made you innovative.

6. Release the album purely on youtube - and allow the artists you collaborated with (above) to work to distribute and push the material. stay back.

7. Stop giving interviews to the media - go back to how you were before - mysterious. You're above it. No need to talk about your faith, your disbelief in the internet, or any other personally held view that is irrelevant to your music and that only makes you seem kinda cooky. Remember - you're cool as hell - but because of the music you play.

8. Pick up the purpleaxxe - and use it often, and in public. Continue picking up the bass guitar. play it often. keep avoiding horns.

9. Listen to "Exodus." Pay attention to "hallucination rain" and "Exodus has begun." - People weren't ready for that shit in 1996. The public is more ready for it now. Lay it on us.

10. Get back to the remixes. No, they may not sell as "maxi-singles" anymore - but if you use the artists listed above, and even enlist the help of some NYC acts -- you can release them as mixtapes....and get back on the underground radio tip.

[Edited 3/19/12 9:20am]

[Edited 3/19/12 10:04am]

i f u c k i n g hate these kind of threads..............STOP LIVING IN THE PAST


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Reply #22 posted 03/20/12 4:24am

tobydavies

Jatrig said:

4. Listen to four artists: Santogold, MIA, Azealia Banks and Janelle Monae.

Janelle Monae is a talented young lady.

Santagold, MIA and Azealia Banks? I'd rather someone took a dump in my ears than listen to that tuneless shit.

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Reply #23 posted 03/20/12 4:26am

FunkySideEffec
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1. Learn to separate his religious beliefs from his creativity
2. Realize again that u don't have 2 be married to a girl before u have sex, hence start dating again & get inspired!!
3. Get your own website
4. Grow your hair long again
5. Realize we don't want new artists (ie Andy) we want YOU & ONLY YOU
pray Peace in the House of Prince.
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Reply #24 posted 03/20/12 10:38am

Jatrig

jonylawson said:

Jatrig said:

1. Stop working with Andy Allo.

2. Recognize that "working with" talented artists doesn't have to mean producing a waterered-down album w/ the artist's vocals as the only thing distinquishing the album from a half-hearted prince effort

3. go back (yes, to be relevant now, dig deep) and watch your live shows from 1993-1994, and listen to Parade. Listen to it again.

4. Listen to four artists: Santogold, MIA, Azealia Banks and Janelle Monae.

5. Make an album w/ these four artists as collaborators - bring on ?Love as executive producer to keep you in check from making another indulgent hallow shell of what made you innovative.

6. Release the album purely on youtube - and allow the artists you collaborated with (above) to work to distribute and push the material. stay back.

7. Stop giving interviews to the media - go back to how you were before - mysterious. You're above it. No need to talk about your faith, your disbelief in the internet, or any other personally held view that is irrelevant to your music and that only makes you seem kinda cooky. Remember - you're cool as hell - but because of the music you play.

8. Pick up the purpleaxxe - and use it often, and in public. Continue picking up the bass guitar. play it often. keep avoiding horns.

9. Listen to "Exodus." Pay attention to "hallucination rain" and "Exodus has begun." - People weren't ready for that shit in 1996. The public is more ready for it now. Lay it on us.

10. Get back to the remixes. No, they may not sell as "maxi-singles" anymore - but if you use the artists listed above, and even enlist the help of some NYC acts -- you can release them as mixtapes....and get back on the underground radio tip.

[Edited 3/19/12 9:20am]

[Edited 3/19/12 10:04am]

i f u c k i n g hate these kind of threads..............STOP LIVING IN THE PAST


Then I recommend you stop f u c k i n g clicking on the links to these threads.........STOP CLICKING HYPERLINKS OF TOPICS THAT YOU HATE

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Reply #25 posted 03/20/12 11:40am

rdhull

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Jatrig said:

rdhull said:

It's not 1982, but 2012, and Prince is 53, not 25.

Relevancy? Yall need to just stop and log off into reality.

totally disagree man. I hear where you're coming from..... and I agree that you can't expect an old man w/ a 30+ year career to ever be "hip" - but talent is timeless, and if the man tapped in to the extent to which new artists are using what he innovated, he could become relevant - not in the "american idol" kinda way. There's no examples to point to -- because there's not many other people w/ his musical talent - it's not just his age, persona, and showmanship I'm talking about.

Ah, I gotcha. Yeah we had a thread here a few months ago about using diferent producers. I for one am all for it just to have a change and see what comes up. I mean at this stage in the game, why not?

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #26 posted 03/20/12 1:23pm

kishi

Paint the planet purple with a world tour! smile

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Reply #27 posted 03/20/12 4:42pm

mzsadii

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kishi said:

Paint the planet purple with a world tour! smile

Naw...We just need to have him in Michigan

Prince's Sarah
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Reply #28 posted 03/21/12 8:19am

Darshy

Jatrig said:

1. Stop working with Andy Allo.

2. Recognize that "working with" talented artists doesn't have to mean producing a waterered-down album w/ the artist's vocals as the only thing distinquishing the album from a half-hearted prince effort

3. go back (yes, to be relevant now, dig deep) and watch your live shows from 1993-1994, and listen to Parade. Listen to it again.

4. Listen to four artists: Santogold, MIA, Azealia Banks and Janelle Monae.

5. Make an album w/ these four artists as collaborators - bring on ?Love as executive producer to keep you in check from making another indulgent hallow shell of what made you innovative.

6. Release the album purely on youtube - and allow the artists you collaborated with (above) to work to distribute and push the material. stay back.

7. Stop giving interviews to the media - go back to how you were before - mysterious. You're above it. No need to talk about your faith, your disbelief in the internet, or any other personally held view that is irrelevant to your music and that only makes you seem kinda cooky. Remember - you're cool as hell - but because of the music you play.

8. Pick up the purpleaxxe - and use it often, and in public. Continue picking up the bass guitar. play it often. keep avoiding horns.

9. Listen to "Exodus." Pay attention to "hallucination rain" and "Exodus has begun." - People weren't ready for that shit in 1996. The public is more ready for it now. Lay it on us.

10. Get back to the remixes. No, they may not sell as "maxi-singles" anymore - but if you use the artists listed above, and even enlist the help of some NYC acts -- you can release them as mixtapes....and get back on the underground radio tip.

[Edited 3/19/12 9:20am]

[Edited 3/19/12 10:04am]

Monae is class. Santogold, MIA, and Azealia are the most overrated supposedly cool and trendy acts of absolute awfulness!

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Reply #29 posted 03/21/12 8:37am

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I have no wish for Prince relevency.

As long as he is happy with his situation, then I am, as I allows me to see him in smaller venues.

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