thedance said:

When you compare what was written in The Guardian and what was written in Le Parisian, I am now blaming The Guardian for being in-correct:

imo, what has been printed in the french interview, in Le Parisian - isn't that "sensational",

Prince seems quite reasonable.

1. I can't see Prince is praising the muslim culture, the lifestyle - like the way it was portrayed in The Guardian.

2. Prince is not exactly saying "I have no more plans to record another album", is he?

I believe if Prince had another recording contract, where he is payed, he would release a new album maybe tomorrow. That's is mainly what he is saying, isn't it?

The Guardian... they have a huge problem the way they were quoting Prince, imo.

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[Edited 6/25/11 9:31am]

Yep, and it was like a fox jumped in a henhouse up in here... when it so obvious that The Guardian stuff was not a reliable source for the context and meaning of what Prince was saying. It's like a while back when he said that musicians were not making money on the internet and it was a dead for them as a viable business arena... and the paper just quoted "the internet is dead" - Prince....

and all the squawking and ridiculing that happened everywhere... and it was not in context.

I'd only put faith in a true question-by-answer recorded /transcribed interview or video interview. And even those can be edited... I edit video interviews all the time to make people sound smarter! I'll even from better sentences for them. I cover the edits with relevant b-roll stuff (shots of the person doing something, or close ups of things/people they were dealing with)

Prince defends radical islam. Good God.

thedance said:

When you compare what was written in The Guardian and what was written in Le Parisian, I am now blaming The Guardian for being in-correct:

imo, what has been printed in the french interview, in Le Parisian - isn't that "sensational",

Prince seems quite reasonable.

1. I can't see Prince is praising the muslim culture, the lifestyle - like the way it was portrayed in The Guardian.

2. Prince is not exactly saying "I have no more plans to record another album", is he?

I believe if Prince had another recording contract, where he is payed, he would release a new album maybe tomorrow. That's is mainly what he is saying, isn't it?

The Guardian... they have a huge problem the way they were quoting Prince, imo.

[Edited 6/25/11 9:30am]

[Edited 6/25/11 9:31am]

Actually, no matter how much you try to pretty it up, he is saying the same thing in both articles. The 2nd article doesn't say anything about the reporter pushing the question about a lack of choice, but the rest is pretty much the same.

He knows that he doesn't have it in him to do any more good music, so he is being smart and letting Cee Lo and Amy Winehouse steal his crown.

Spinlight said:

thedance said:

When you compare what was written in The Guardian and what was written in Le Parisian, I am now blaming The Guardian for being in-correct:

imo, what has been printed in the french interview, in Le Parisian - isn't that "sensational",

Prince seems quite reasonable.

1. I can't see Prince is praising the muslim culture, the lifestyle - like the way it was portrayed in The Guardian.

2. Prince is not exactly saying "I have no more plans to record another album", is he?

I believe if Prince had another recording contract, where he is payed, he would release a new album maybe tomorrow. That's is mainly what he is saying, isn't it?

The Guardian... they have a huge problem the way they were quoting Prince, imo.

[Edited 6/25/11 9:30am]

[Edited 6/25/11 9:31am]

Actually, no matter how much you try to pretty it up, he is saying the same thing in both articles. The 2nd article doesn't say anything about the reporter pushing the question about a lack of choice, but the rest is pretty much the same.

Exactly.

Spinlight said:

thedance said:

When you compare what was written in The Guardian and what was written in Le Parisian, I am now blaming The Guardian for being in-correct:

imo, what has been printed in the french interview, in Le Parisian - isn't that "sensational",

Prince seems quite reasonable.

1. I can't see Prince is praising the muslim culture, the lifestyle - like the way it was portrayed in The Guardian.

2. Prince is not exactly saying "I have no more plans to record another album", is he?

I believe if Prince had another recording contract, where he is payed, he would release a new album maybe tomorrow. That's is mainly what he is saying, isn't it?

The Guardian... they have a huge problem the way they were quoting Prince, imo.

[Edited 6/25/11 9:30am]

[Edited 6/25/11 9:31am]

Actually, no matter how much you try to pretty it up, he is saying the same thing in both articles. The 2nd article doesn't say anything about the reporter pushing the question about a lack of choice, but the rest is pretty much the same.

With regards to the Muslim thing, it sounds like Prince was making a strategic barb at the French decision to outlaw women form wearing their shit. That's the likely context. You know? http://www.dw-world.de/dw...47,00.html

Prince is fully Jehovah's Witness propgating... he's not Muslim! lol.

With regards to the studio thing it sounds like he's trying to draw attention to putting more copyright control on the part of the author.

Spinlight said:

I guess everyone knew this is how it'd end up - with Prince a lonely old miser, hoarding his music away because no one gives him what he feels its worth.

Fuck that guy. There's too much good music still being released (and having been released while he spent 10 years on autopilot) to worry about his drama. When he says nobody is getting paid or making money - who is he talking about? Who are these mysterious artists. Tons of people make money.

Maybe its just him.

I totally agree with you!! YES, sure some people aren't...But I don't believe all artists aren't. The question is Prince. How much do you want to make? How much do YOU think it's worth. I love you Prince, but seriously...There is much to do than to complain and compile all of your questions as if they can not be answered. It's not hard to read between the lines...seriously..

Well maybe that's WHY he should've been RECORDED. If he was against recorded interviews, we wouldn't get it. So answer me this, what's better? An interview with "misquoted words" or a televised interview/recorded interview? Because obviously the printed interviews don't make it any better. In fact that's a reason some fans have turned their back. If he wanted to be CLEAR, why don't he just be recorded? Or is it a damn if he did, damn if he didn't scenario? Because if so that don't make sense either.

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Timmy84 said:

Well maybe that's WHY he should've been RECORDED. If he was against recorded interviews, we wouldn't get it. So answer me this, what's better? An interview with "misquoted words" or a televised interview/recorded interview? Because obviously the printed interviews don't make it any better. In fact that's a reason some fans have turned their back. If he wanted to be CLEAR, why don't he just be recorded? Or is it a damn if he did, damn if he didn't scenario? Because if so that don't make sense either.

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True, he should go back to recorded interviews... or just stick to music opinions... or no interviews.

ufoclub said:

Timmy84 said:

Well maybe that's WHY he should've been RECORDED. If he was against recorded interviews, we wouldn't get it. So answer me this, what's better? An interview with "misquoted words" or a televised interview/recorded interview? Because obviously the printed interviews don't make it any better. In fact that's a reason some fans have turned their back. If he wanted to be CLEAR, why don't he just be recorded? Or is it a damn if he did, damn if he didn't scenario? Because if so that don't make sense either.

[Edited 6/25/11 10:40am]

True, he should go back to recorded interviews... or just stick to music opinions... or no interviews.

Hell he let the music do the talking for so many years. I still wonder who convinced him to do more interviews.

sweething said:

Posted this in GD but I think it also fits with this discussion.

Can't have it both ways--either all people should be allowed to express themselves as they see fit whether discussing or wearing saggin pants, bikinis or burqas, or not.

US Airways lets man fly wearing women's panties

This is a June 9, 2011 photo provided by airline passenger Jill Tarlow.

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

SAN FRANCISCO -- Days before a college football player was arrested on a US Airways flight at San Francisco airport following a dispute over his saggy pants, the airline allowed another man wearing skimpy women's panties and mid-thigh stockings to fly, according to a passenger and airline spokeswoman.

Information from: San Francisco Chronicle, http://www.sfgate.com/chronicle

Equality for all.

WOW! This is Hilarious. LOL. If they can let this man come through, the person with the saggy pants should have been allowed too!!! If it's really equality for all, they need to refund the one with the saggy pants...ANYWAYS the picture has me rolling. hahahha.

electricberet said:

Chiquetet said:

I don't think he's even necessarily saying that he likes it when women wear burqas. He's saying that he can't understand why people are trying to stop them from wearing them when the women themselves are saying they are doing it by choice.

I realise that's a huge topic and yes, he probably regrets entering into it, but now that I've seen the French interview (original at http://www.leparisien.fr/...506286.php) and have done a bit of searching, I realise that he was most likely commenting directly on an issue that's obviously very current in France, where he was doing the interview.

France has recently "banned the burqa", making it illegal for women to wear it in a public place (http://moroccoworldnews.c...-europe-2/).

We could debate the rights and wrongs of this forever (please, let's not) but the point is that Prince was most likely making a comment about something that's presumably pretty big news where he was at the time of the interview, but when something so potentially controversial is paraphrased and condensed into a couple of sentences in an interview that then goes out to all corners of the world at the click of a button, the meaning is not only usually lost, but often becomes twisted and taken to mean all sorts of things, completely out of context of the original discussion.

I noticed that the author of the Guardian article had answered some questions on Twitter, including responding to a tweet about how a Minnesota native wouldn't say 'move house' with the comment, "Good point. He doesn't allow tape recording, only notes so some unintentional paraphrasing is inevitable." Well, obviously, considering how different the two interviews were.

In any case, it's an interesting exercise in seeing how quickly energy can shift, gain momentum, change direction, etc... as information is revealed. A number of places other than here have commented on how "the org's going crazy over this article". I realise it's an old question, but why is it that his most active internet fan site is the place that is always the most critical and unforgiving?

No wonder he doesn't like the internet.

I think you know the answer. Over the past ten years, he's done pretty much everything he can do to alienate his fans. What other major artist has released a song trashing his own fan base? Or sued fan websites? Or come up with as many ways of getting people to pay for content that never materializes? I doubt there are many longtime Prince fans who haven't been jerked around by him at one time or another. If a large majority of your own fans don't admire you as a person, then the most active and popular fan site is likely to be the one with the most vitriol directed at you.

The tragedy (or comedy) of Prince reminds me of what Daniel Barenboim had to say about conducting Wagner in Israel:

"Wagner, the person, is absolutely appalling, despicable, and, in a way, very difficult to put together with the music he wrote, which so often has exactly the opposite kind of feelings. It is noble, generous, etc."

http://www.danielbarenboi....php?id=52

A relative of mine is coming to visit soon who thinks Prince is "creepy." I'm not exactly looking forward to the jokes he's going to make when he sees the 30 or so Prince CDs on my shelf. But I'm used to it, as most of us are. I'm glad I have the music and wish others appreciated it, but Prince is working as hard as he can to make sure that he's just remembered as that skinny motherfucker with a high voice.

This is one of the best posts for my reasoning. I like this & I totally agree with you! The end sentence summarizes it up perfectly. It seems he is just making himself to be remembered like that...Hahaha..This is JUST PRINCE.

omg enough, for fuck's sake

too many geeks on this thread

shut up already

A reporter asks him a question. He gives an answer.

Why is everyone so hung up on this?

The only thing I'm interested in is his music - which is pretty darn awesome. Everything else is nondescript.

What sort of mentality do you have to have to go onto a Prince website, read about Prince, and then take the time to comment to - Oh I think he's still an arseho**. Why are you here in the first place? Set up princehaters.com com and then bitch when no-one starts a thread.

Princey baby - I'll see you in Paris. Bring it on.

groomboom said:

A reporter asks him a question. He gives an answer.

Why is everyone so hung up on this?

The only thing I'm interested in is his music - which is pretty darn awesome. Everything else is nondescript.

What sort of mentality do you have to have to go onto a Prince website, read about Prince, and then take the time to comment to - Oh I think he's still an arseho**. Why are you here in the first place? Set up princehaters.com com and then bitch when no-one starts a thread.

Princey baby - I'll see you in Paris. Bring it on.

I guess you don't like his lyrics from the 80s, or don't care that what he's saying now is the opposite of what he said then. Some of us like to hear sincerity in our music.

As for princehaters.com, why don't you set up princelovers.com and then censor any negative comments? This site doesn't belong to you any more than it belongs to me.

LOVEVERY1 said:

Actually Prince (has) met in person, face to face,

numerous Muslim women, men and children.

[Edited 6/24/11 19:24pm]

He certainly did not meet a woman wearing a burka face to face.

I was talking to my stepkids (ages 18 and 22) the other day about different artists and somehow we got on the subject of raunchy music, which lead me to mention that Prince got started doing raunchy music, but he has now cleaned up his act. One of my stepkids said that they can't find Prince's music "out there" like they can other artists. They said that often times they may download or view the pirated stuff, but then later go and buy the stuff they really like.

I don't believe in stealing other people's intellectual property, but I myself have listened to music or excerpts of movies or whatever and then gone out to buy a high quality legal version, be it on iTunes or in the store.

Personally, I think Prince needs to loosen the reigns on his perspective about digital music, for 1) He needs to get with the the 21st century - the internet is not going anywhere, it's like rock and roll, it's here to stay. Work with it, not against it. 2)Having videos on YouTube, and the like is great promotion for your music. Too many youngsters don't even know who Prince is because he is not making himself available to the next generation.

I also think that Prince has not learned that he cannot reach his full potential alone - no one can. When working in as a team, people accomplish much more than when working alone - that's a proven fact. He needs the help of the record companies to fine tune his products and to promote. Prince has put out music in recent years that I know were hit potentials, but they went nowhere because only his die hard fans knew about.

Now, my next $.02 about Prince: Dude is a CONTROL FREAK. The reason he admires the Islamic culture is that the men have total control of the women. That's what he wants. A woman that will be at his beck and call and do anything he says. Not healthy at all. Prince is in a wacky religion that promotes those types of views. And don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-religion. Done right, religion is really a good thing, but done wrong, it's destructive.

JoeTyler said:

omg enough, for fuck's sake

too many geeks on this thread

shut up already

Lol, I agree, already 800 comments here. wow.

Another $.02. Over the years I've grown sceptical of the British media. I would take everything they say as gospel.

I agree with joe, this thread should be locked. Prince is not the president of any country, he is not a politician, he is a musician, thats all. While there were some funny posts in this thread, it also is quite ugly because of the steryotypes and bigoted comments on this thread. Seems like alot of closet racists/bigots are using Prince as an excuse to show their hatred. Besides its a pointless discussion at this point.

electricberet said:

groomboom said:

A reporter asks him a question. He gives an answer.

Why is everyone so hung up on this?

The only thing I'm interested in is his music - which is pretty darn awesome. Everything else is nondescript.

What sort of mentality do you have to have to go onto a Prince website, read about Prince, and then take the time to comment to - Oh I think he's still an arseho**. Why are you here in the first place? Set up princehaters.com com and then bitch when no-one starts a thread.

Princey baby - I'll see you in Paris. Bring it on.

I guess you don't like his lyrics from the 80s, or don't care that what he's saying now is the opposite of what he said then. Some of us like to hear sincerity in our music.

As for princehaters.com, why don't you set up princelovers.com and then censor any negative comments? This site doesn't belong to you any more than it belongs to me.

I don't really fault him for saying the opposite now. People change. He has grown up. That's OK.

JoeTyler said:

omg enough, for fuck's sake

too many geeks on this thread

shut up already

Why would this thread be locked? Stop hating. It's a big deal that Prince says he isn't gonna release anymore new albums.

babynoz said:

ThreadBare said:

bless his heart

At the end of the day, that's all the acknowledgement his comments deserve sometimes.

Sometimes, the best expression is a Southern expression.

I wonder if Howard Hughes traveled a similar path.

tmo1965 said:

I was talking to my stepkids (ages 18 and 22) the other day about different artists and somehow we got on the subject of raunchy music, which lead me to mention that Prince got started doing raunchy music, but he has now cleaned up his act. One of my stepkids said that they can't find Prince's music "out there" like they can other artists. They said that often times they may download or view the pirated stuff, but then later go and buy the stuff they really like.

I don't believe in stealing other people's intellectual property, but I myself have listened to music or excerpts of movies or whatever and then gone out to buy a high quality legal version, be it on iTunes or in the store.

Personally, I think Prince needs to loosen the reigns on his perspective about digital music, for 1) He needs to get with the the 21st century - the internet is not going anywhere, it's like rock and roll, it's here to stay. Work with it, not against it. 2)Having videos on YouTube, and the like is great promotion for your music. Too many youngsters don't even know who Prince is because he is not making himself available to the next generation.

I also think that Prince has not learned that he cannot reach his full potential alone - no one can. When working in as a team, people accomplish much more than when working alone - that's a proven fact. He needs the help of the record companies to fine tune his products and to promote. Prince has put out music in recent years that I know were hit potentials, but they went nowhere because only his die hard fans knew about.

Now, my next $.02 about Prince: Dude is a CONTROL FREAK. The reason he admires the Islamic culture is that the men have total control of the women. That's what he wants. A woman that will be at his beck and call and do anything he says. Not healthy at all. Prince is in a wacky religion that promotes those types of views. And don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-religion. Done right, religion is really a good thing, but done wrong, it's destructive.

And that's just it, isn't it? His new stuff won't get much, if any, airplay because he isn't playing the game within the system by the "big boys" rules. So, not much will be heard by those that aren't already looking for it. YouTube is an obvious route around this problem, but he won't go that route because YouTube will make money off the advertisements they sell and won't give him any. How about they get the ad revenue, Prince gets the exposure? Sounds like a good deal to me.

I don't know about everyone else here, but if it weren't for seeing '1999' & 'Little Red Corvette' on MTV and hearing them on the radio, I would NEVER have purchased the 1999 LP. That purchase led to literally hundreds of future purchases! I say, put some vids on YouTube, use them to promote yourself, get new fans, make more money.... Too simple really.

tmo1965 said:

electricberet said:

I guess you don't like his lyrics from the 80s, or don't care that what he's saying now is the opposite of what he said then. Some of us like to hear sincerity in our music.

As for princehaters.com, why don't you set up princelovers.com and then censor any negative comments? This site doesn't belong to you any more than it belongs to me.

I don't really fault him for saying the opposite now. People change. He has grown up. That's OK.

To each his own. I'm just glad I got some Bob Marley CDs in the mail yesterday because I sure don't want to listen to any Prince right now.

tmo1965 said:

electricberet said:

I guess you don't like his lyrics from the 80s, or don't care that what he's saying now is the opposite of what he said then. Some of us like to hear sincerity in our music.

As for princehaters.com, why don't you set up princelovers.com and then censor any negative comments? This site doesn't belong to you any more than it belongs to me.

I don't really fault him for saying the opposite now. People change. He has grown up. That's OK.

To me it isn't ok that he's grown to a narrow minded religious nutcase.

What this means is that Prince didn't mean the stuff he said in the 80's, it means the best songs he made "controversy" "uptown", almost all of his work, he didn't mean a darn thing when he talked about freedoms and individual expression. The things he say are so fucked up that no true prince fan can never look him as the same. He's absolutely burned down all the good things he's ever tryied to build.

He will go down as the example of a person who started as the most coolest dude on the planet, who cared about the message of peace, love and individuality and changed to an evil cold blooded murderer of freedom and expression in the name of sadistic order. (if he really means the things he said in the interviews.)

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Spinlight said:

JoeTyler said:

omg enough, for fuck's sake

too many geeks on this thread

shut up already

Why would this thread be locked? Stop hating. It's a big deal that Prince says he isn't gonna release anymore new albums.

Didn't he say he wasn't going to release any new albums until he sees some change in copyright enforcement?

Timmy84 said:

Well maybe that's WHY he should've been RECORDED. If he was against recorded interviews, we wouldn't get it. So answer me this, what's better? An interview with "misquoted words" or a televised interview/recorded interview? Because obviously the printed interviews don't make it any better. In fact that's a reason some fans have turned their back. If he wanted to be CLEAR, why don't he just be recorded? Or is it a damn if he did, damn if he didn't scenario? Because if so that don't make sense either.

[Edited 6/25/11 10:40am]

Better yet a preprepared press statement which can't later be regarded a misunderstood or misquoted information.

I started feeling bad for the "religious nutcase", want to take that back.Correction: He's a very religious man these days.. maybe when he says "I am music" should be now "I am religion"

[Edited 6/25/11 12:52pm]

jobinkirja said:

I started feeling bad for the "religious nutcase", want to take that back.Correction: He's a very religious man these days.. maybe when he says "I am music" should be now "I am religion"

[Edited 6/25/11 12:52pm]

I don't mind that he's religious. He's always been religious. But it used to be a positive spirituality; now it's about negativity and imposing order and control. Someone needs to slip a plus sign into his Captain Crunch once in a while.