Dewrede said:

vitriol said:

Can't help you on this one.

Hate The Beatles. Especially hate Macca.

can't take you seriously then anymore

all your comments on music are irrelevant then as far as i'm concerned

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Those were my thoughts too... All this talk about "Prince has a lot to learn before he can hang with Esperanza and George Benson" and his music theory/jazz references--I thought we were dealing with some real muso...

To be fair, it's his and everybody's right to not like The Beatles.... But, considering that they're my #1, favorite musical artist EVER means that I can ignore the musical opinions of someone who "hates" them...as if the constant Prince bashing wasn't enough.

whoaoo....opened a can of worms here....i agree with most of the orgers here....prince is my favourite artist of all time (no surprise)...but if anyone can come close to him..for me...its the beatles....and in the beatles...lennon and mccartney were almost equal in importance to the great music they made....i prefer lennon myself only because i prefered his songs more than pauls but paul was his equal ..no doubt...

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now if someone says the beatles are crap ...or mccartney is the tony m of the 60s

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wtf

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then i treat that person with the same contempt that i give people who come out with the 'prince is gay ' comment when i mention prince ....if someone cant see something great in the beatles work then i think they should have their ears chewed off by one of those pigs in the hannibal movie because they are of no use to you.....

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oh ..and just to add...i am pretty sure mccartney attended the first musicology gig in 2004....i remember reading that...yes..he is a big fan...

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not paul mccartney..............o lord!! over rated or what!!

davetherave6767 said:

not paul mccartney..............o lord!! over rated or what!!

he's not overrated..believe me..he is a very good all round musician and one of the great songwriters...yes...he has a bad habit of writing utter crap sometimes (like someone else i could mention)but that is far outweighted by his brilliant songs...most of them written when lennon was his partner..yes..but you cant take away from his back catalogue...

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i saw him at hampden park last year and he played for 3 hours almost non stop and he was brilliant....at 67 years of age...hearing all those great beatles songs live is something i will never forget..

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blackbob said:

davetherave6767 said:

not paul mccartney..............o lord!! over rated or what!!

he's not overrated..believe me..he is a very good all round musician and one of the great songwriters...yes...he has a bad habit of writing utter crap sometimes (like someone else i could mention)but that is far outweighted by his brilliant songs...most of them written when lennon was his partner..yes..but you cant take away from his back catalogue...

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i saw him at hampden park last year and he played for 3 hours almost non stop and he was brilliant....at 67 years of age...hearing all those great beatles songs live is something i will never forget..

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Its not the music its just him!!??i just dont get him??his appeal??Eye got the beatles No 1s cd recently its great.but ive always felt like this about him???

Poplife88 said:

I am not a huge fan of Paul's solo work. But there are some real gems in the mix. Ram in particular is a great album as is Band on the Run. I personally like George's solo stuff more than any of them...All Things Must Pass is as good as any Beatle album, which I can't say fabout any of Paul or John's solo stuff. Now when it comes to the Beatles, they all held their own...Paul's stuff is always considered fluff...but um...Helter Skelter anyone? But give Ram a chance, its worth checking out.

But also cool to hear McCartney is such a Prince fan...didn't know that before.

^^^ this^^^ RAM is amazing!

as far as the beatles haters go.... try to wrap your brain around the fact that their entire recording career was 8 YEARS. everything that they accomplished, all of the different musical stylings, vast catalogue of classic songs and image changes that they went through, they did so from 1962 to 1970 when they broke up.

this alone is a staggering fact considering an average current band or artist releases 3 albums in that time, 4 if they're ambitious.

overrated they're not, if anything they're still underrated. people pick on paul because his personality is so goofy and whimsical, he's an easy target... but at the end of the day the motherfucker wrote 'eleanor rigby.'

the worst thing i could say about paul mccartney is he doesn't know when to call it quits with marrying chicks.

electric said:

Kinda useless story, but worth a share for those who care...

I'm at the unofficial start of the Musicology concert in Reno, March 2004. Just before the concert starts I take one last trip to the bathroom...I'm doing my thing at the urinal...I start to hear girls screaming at the door (door was wide open). When I take a look back I see security trying to block them from getting in. My instant thought was "The girls' bathroom must be full." All of sudden my peripheral senses tell me someone takes the spot to the left of me...Without looking sideways to see who it is (or not wanting him to think I'm trying to check out his package) I zip up, go to wash my hands. As I'm drying up I look in the mirror and see that the person next to me was Paul F'in McCartney! It's only me, him and his bodyguard guarding the door against the group of women trying to bust through. I was a bit buzzed and slow in my response. I just remember thinking, "Oh shit, Paul McCartney!" But it all happened so fast and the bodyguard was really having a hard time keeping those women back. So I forced my way through the chaos and made it back to my wife. I think it wasn't until I told her what happened I started to trip out a bit about the whole thing. Then the concert began!!!

And that's my story

purpledoveuk said:

electric said:

^^^ this^^^ RAM is amazing!

as far as the beatles haters go.... try to wrap your brain around the fact that their entire recording career was 8 YEARS. everything that they accomplished, all of the different musical stylings, vast catalogue of classic songs and image changes that they went through, they did so from 1962 to 1970 when they broke up.

this alone is a staggering fact considering an average current band or artist releases 3 albums in that time, 4 if they're ambitious.

overrated they're not, if anything they're still underrated. people pick on paul because his personality is so goofy and whimsical, he's an easy target... but at the end of the day the motherfucker wrote 'eleanor rigby.'

the worst thing i could say about paul mccartney is he doesn't know when to call it quits with marrying chicks.

I'm not sure if you meant me after by foolish throw away comment about McCartneys solo career but I'm not a Beatles hater - I have a lot of their stuff. As for his 'probmem' with marrying too much... I think the real problem there is probably more tragic - he loves Linda so much and whT they had was so good that no one can compare.

no, sorry. i didn't mean u at all, i just responded because u brought up RAM and that's an album i never hear get enough respect.... sorry for the confusion... the beatles haters stuff was directed at the peeps saying the beatles suck. which is just lazy.

JustANoNameReporter said:

Kinda useless story, but worth a share for those who care...

I'm at the unofficial start of the Musicology concert in Reno, March 2004. Just before the concert starts I take one last trip to the bathroom...I'm doing my thing at the urinal...I start to hear girls screaming at the door (door was wide open). When I take a look back I see security trying to block them from getting in. My instant thought was "The girls' bathroom must be full." All of sudden my peripheral senses tell me someone takes the spot to the left of me...Without looking sideways to see who it is (or not wanting him to think I'm trying to check out his package) I zip up, go to wash my hands. As I'm drying up I look in the mirror and see that the person next to me was Paul F'in McCartney! It's only me, him and his bodyguard guarding the door against the group of women trying to bust through. I was a bit buzzed and slow in my response. I just remember thinking, "Oh shit, Paul McCartney!" But it all happened so fast and the bodyguard was really having a hard time keeping those women back. So I forced my way through the chaos and made it back to my wife. I think it wasn't until I told her what happened I started to trip out a bit about the whole thing. Then the concert began!!!

And that's my story

pissing with paul mccartney... .... ' oh..hi paul... shake..shake..love your stuff in the beatles....zipppp ' ' but that ebony and ivory was f**king crap....wash...wash...dry ' .....

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great story... ....i knew he was at the musicology concert...

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davetherave6767 said:

blackbob said:

he's not overrated..believe me..he is a very good all round musician and one of the great songwriters...yes...he has a bad habit of writing utter crap sometimes (like someone else i could mention)but that is far outweighted by his brilliant songs...most of them written when lennon was his partner..yes..but you cant take away from his back catalogue...

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i saw him at hampden park last year and he played for 3 hours almost non stop and he was brilliant....at 67 years of age...hearing all those great beatles songs live is something i will never forget..

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Its not the music its just him!!??i just dont get him??his appeal??Eye got the beatles No 1s cd recently its great.but ive always felt like this about him???

he can come over as smarmy but i know a fair bit about him and most people who have met him say he is genuinely a nice guy...that sort of fame HAS to affect you somehow...he must be one of the most famous people alive now...but ...at the end of the day...its all about the music to me...and he was brilliant with the beatles and some of his solo career....prince can be an asshole as we all know but its all about the music for me...i dont really care who he is upsetting or who is suing him now....

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the music..thats all that really matters..

LittlePurpleYoda said:

His legacy & contribution to popular music will long outlast Prince's, that's a certainty.

Now look what you've done.....

gemari77 said:

Dewrede said:

can't take you seriously then anymore

all your comments on music are irrelevant then as far as i'm concerned

[Edited 5/31/11 11:30am]

Those were my thoughts too... All this talk about "Prince has a lot to learn before he can hang with Esperanza and George Benson" and his music theory/jazz references--I thought we were dealing with some real muso...

To be fair, it's his and everybody's right to not like The Beatles.... But, considering that they're my #1, favorite musical artist EVER means that I can ignore the musical opinions of someone who "hates" them...as if the constant Prince bashing wasn't enough.

ditto to all that

LittlePurpleYoda said:

purpledoveuk said:

vitriol said: Sort of...I appreciate some of the Beatles stuff but looking at it retrospectively I don't think they are that great...but at the time I'm sure they would. Cant stand McCartney and his 'don't you know who I am?' attitude....yeah, you're quarter of a defunct very successful band, half of an aclsimed writing partnership and nothing on your own - you're the Tony M of the 60s [Edited 5/31/11 4:38am]

Nothing on his own? Funny how idiocy can classify an amazingly successful 40 year career as a solo artist as "nothing."

His legacy & contribution to popular music will long outlast Prince's, that's a certainty.

the beatles will be remembered for all time...no doubt about that...but prince will be remembered as an important figure in 20th century music as well...no doubt about that either...

NouveauDance said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

His legacy & contribution to popular music will long outlast Prince's, that's a certainty.

Now look what you've done.....

I know, I know...

But I speak the truth. As much as we all enjoy the music of Prince & can appreciate his talent & contributions to the careers of many other artists, his success will likely be remembered as a cult favorite who had a significant commercial peak before largely disappearing from the scene. He continues to put on a great live show, but his recent recorded output goes nowhere & risks eroding his legacy still further.

McCartney not only has nearly a decade of extraordinary work with The Beatles, but plenty of hits on his own right, as well as experiments into various other forms of music, ranging from the symphonic to the electronic. He's pushing 70 & still doing 3 hour shows.

LittlePurpleYoda said:

NouveauDance said:

Now look what you've done.....

I know, I know...

But I speak the truth. As much as we all enjoy the music of Prince & can appreciate his talent & contributions to the careers of many other artists, his success will likely be remembered as a cult favorite who had a significant commercial peak before largely disappearing from the scene. He continues to put on a great live show, but his recent recorded output goes nowhere & risks eroding his legacy still further.

McCartney not only has nearly a decade of extraordinary work with The Beatles, but plenty of hits on his own right, as well as experiments into various other forms of music, ranging from the symphonic to the electronic. He's pushing 70 & still doing 3 hour shows.

if prince will be remembered as a cult favourite, i dont know why he is still selling out shows without and why he continues to remain popular. Come on, P will be remembered as one of the greatest solo musicians of all time- and he deserves to be.

I dont think paul can match his peak output either, doesnt mean it takes anything away from his peak.

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LittlePurpleYoda said:

NouveauDance said:

Now look what you've done.....

I know, I know...

But I speak the truth. As much as we all enjoy the music of Prince & can appreciate his talent & contributions to the careers of many other artists, his success will likely be remembered as a cult favorite who had a significant commercial peak before largely disappearing from the scene. He continues to put on a great live show, but his recent recorded output goes nowhere & risks eroding his legacy still further.

McCartney not only has nearly a decade of extraordinary work with The Beatles, but plenty of hits on his own right, as well as experiments into various other forms of music, ranging from the symphonic to the electronic. He's pushing 70 & still doing 3 hour shows.

i think you underestimate prince's impact and lasting legacy a bit...he was voted the 7th greatest artist of all time recently by his music peers and the acts above him are either dead or ..in the case of the beatles and led zeppelin..broken up...the only music artist above him still going is bob dylan..i think that speaks volumes for his impact on modern music...once he is gone...his legacy will only become greater...

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as far as saying prince recent output is eroding his status...its not up to his great work in the 80s but he still makes great music...i believe that mccartney had a bigger fall in the standard of his work than prince has had since he left the beatles...i dont judge artists greatness in commercial terms but mccartney hasnt had a top ten hit since 1987 in the uk....

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they will both be remembered as important figures in 20th century music...

hhhhdmt said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

I know, I know...

But I speak the truth. As much as we all enjoy the music of Prince & can appreciate his talent & contributions to the careers of many other artists, his success will likely be remembered as a cult favorite who had a significant commercial peak before largely disappearing from the scene. He continues to put on a great live show, but his recent recorded output goes nowhere & risks eroding his legacy still further.

McCartney not only has nearly a decade of extraordinary work with The Beatles, but plenty of hits on his own right, as well as experiments into various other forms of music, ranging from the symphonic to the electronic. He's pushing 70 & still doing 3 hour shows.

if prince will be remembered as a cult favourite, i dont know why he is still selling out shows without and why he continues to remain popular. Come on, P will be remembered as one of the greatest solo musicians of all time- and he deserves to be.

I dont think paul can match his peak output either, doesnt mean it takes anything away from his peak.

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Prince's legacy will be as a cult genius. Similar to David Bowie or Stevie Wonder.

But he will never rise to the top table in the publics eyes. Elvis, The Beatles and MJ are sitting up there.

Even Modonna hasn't been invited in yet, and she's ahead of Prince in the queue.

SquirrelMeat said:

hhhhdmt said:

if prince will be remembered as a cult favourite, i dont know why he is still selling out shows without and why he continues to remain popular. Come on, P will be remembered as one of the greatest solo musicians of all time- and he deserves to be.

I dont think paul can match his peak output either, doesnt mean it takes anything away from his peak.

[Edited 6/1/11 4:27am]

Prince's legacy will be as a cult genius. Similar to David Bowie or Stevie Wonder.

But he will never rise to the top table in the publics eyes. Elvis, The Beatles and MJ are sitting up there.

Even Modonna hasn't been invited in yet, and she's ahead of Prince in the queue.

i dont think you could call stevie wonder or david bowie 'cult figures'...bowie has been through many changes similar to prince...stevie and bowie will be remembered as well...if you are talking commercial success then ..yes...the beatles, elvis and mj are well ahead but prince took a different route when he released 'around the world in a day ' ..that album made sure that prince was never to become a slave to what was always popular..he wanted to follow a different path...that what makes him soo much better and interesting than mj or madonna or almost anyone else...

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he will be remembered as a huge 20th century music talent and i think, in time, he will become a more important figure than mj...the beatles will always be remembered and rightly so....

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SquirrelMeat said:

hhhhdmt said:

if prince will be remembered as a cult favourite, i dont know why he is still selling out shows without and why he continues to remain popular. Come on, P will be remembered as one of the greatest solo musicians of all time- and he deserves to be.

I dont think paul can match his peak output either, doesnt mean it takes anything away from his peak.

[Edited 6/1/11 4:27am]

Prince's legacy will be as a cult genius. Similar to David Bowie or Stevie Wonder.

But he will never rise to the top table in the publics eyes. Elvis, The Beatles and MJ are sitting up there.

Even Modonna hasn't been invited in yet, and she's ahead of Prince in the queue.

hmm stevie wonder and david bowie, thats a good group to be in

I agree that commercially he isnt that big, but then again if music ic judged by how much it sold, people would be missing out on alot of great music. While P may not be that highly regarded in the eyes of the public, musicians and critics will probably always hold him in high regard.

blackbob said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Prince's legacy will be as a cult genius. Similar to David Bowie or Stevie Wonder.

But he will never rise to the top table in the publics eyes. Elvis, The Beatles and MJ are sitting up there.

Even Modonna hasn't been invited in yet, and she's ahead of Prince in the queue.

i dont think you could call stevie wonder or david bowie 'cult figures'...bowie has been through many changes similar to prince...stevie and bowie will be remembered as well...if you are talking commercial success then ..yes...the beatles, elvis and mj are well ahead but prince took a different route when he released 'around the world in a day ' ..that album made sure that prince was never to become a slave to what was always popular..he wanted to follow a different path...that what makes him soo much better and interesting than mj or madonna or almost anyone else...

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he will be remembered as a huge 20th century music talent and i think, in time, he will become a more important figure than mj...the beatles will always be remembered and rightly so....

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Yeah, I prefer Prince's route. He's be in the Musical Heaven anti chamber, with Bowie, Stevie, Bruce , Little Richard, Dylan and The Rolling Stones.

Outside the Elvis/Beatle/MJ Temple you've have Mandonna and U2 asking for a table.

And I predict.....Lady Gaga will be fighting for a place in 20 years time somewhere......

SquirrelMeat said:

blackbob said:

i dont think you could call stevie wonder or david bowie 'cult figures'...bowie has been through many changes similar to prince...stevie and bowie will be remembered as well...if you are talking commercial success then ..yes...the beatles, elvis and mj are well ahead but prince took a different route when he released 'around the world in a day ' ..that album made sure that prince was never to become a slave to what was always popular..he wanted to follow a different path...that what makes him soo much better and interesting than mj or madonna or almost anyone else...

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he will be remembered as a huge 20th century music talent and i think, in time, he will become a more important figure than mj...the beatles will always be remembered and rightly so....

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Yeah, I prefer Prince's route. He's be in the Musical Heaven anti chamber, with Bowie, Stevie, Bruce , Little Richard, Dylan and The Rolling Stones.

Outside the Elvis/Beatle/MJ Temple you've have Mandonna and U2 asking for a table.

And I predict.....Lady Gaga will be fighting for a place in 20 years time somewhere......

remember that prince has still sold a hell of a lot of records...around 90 million albums and 40 million singles worldwide....he is in the top 40 all time sellers...not to be sniffed at...

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he was always too electic for the general public...

About a year ago, I suggested that Prince should do a collabaration with Sir Paul. Most reactions then were negative (as some are on this topic). But still I would like to see that happen.

Please be open minded in this, one can never predict what happens when two of those geniuses work together. It can be fantasic, total sh*t, or something in between. It would be great alone to have McCartney play bass on a Prince song...

Around Lovesexy, McCartney mentioned seeing Prince live and that he was one of his & Linda's favorite artists, but that he was disappointed that they used tapes (stuff like "rain is wet and sugar is sweet" IIRR)

Anybody that belittles either Prince or the Beatles, I question your humanity.

Timmy84 said:

Anybody that belittles either Prince or the Beatles, I question your humanity.

I could be better than them I just don't want to!

NDRU said:

Timmy84 said:

Anybody that belittles either Prince or the Beatles, I question your humanity.

I could be better than them I just don't want to!

Prove it.

blackbob said:

LittlePurpleYoda said:

I know, I know...

But I speak the truth. As much as we all enjoy the music of Prince & can appreciate his talent & contributions to the careers of many other artists, his success will likely be remembered as a cult favorite who had a significant commercial peak before largely disappearing from the scene. He continues to put on a great live show, but his recent recorded output goes nowhere & risks eroding his legacy still further.

McCartney not only has nearly a decade of extraordinary work with The Beatles, but plenty of hits on his own right, as well as experiments into various other forms of music, ranging from the symphonic to the electronic. He's pushing 70 & still doing 3 hour shows.

i think you underestimate prince's impact and lasting legacy a bit...he was voted the 7th greatest artist of all time recently by his music peers and the acts above him are either dead or ..in the case of the beatles and led zeppelin..broken up...the only music artist above him still going is bob dylan..i think that speaks volumes for his impact on modern music...once he is gone...his legacy will only become greater...

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as far as saying prince recent output is eroding his status...its not up to his great work in the 80s but he still makes great music...i believe that mccartney had a bigger fall in the standard of his work than prince has had since he left the beatles...i dont judge artists greatness in commercial terms but mccartney hasnt had a top ten hit since 1987 in the uk....

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they will both be remembered as important figures in 20th century music...

Agreed for the most part however I think McCartney's solo work since the late 80's is alot better and more consistent than Prince has had. McCartney had a longer stretch of both creative and commercial success. His CD's have remained more critically accepted as well as done better commercially than Prince in recent years. I think the only thing holding McCartney back from another top 10 hit is a greatly eroded singing voice and the musical stigma of 'age'. Unfortunately though I LOVE Prince his solo work in the last 20 years has been for the most part uncommercial sounding crap...he certainly still has his voice intact.

Actually Prince & McCartney are good comparisons in some ways. Both have had a string of hugely disappointing albums after a string of masterpieces which nobody could be expected to match.

But among those "lesser" albums are a bunch of really good songs.

And they both have enough classics that their legacy remains ssecure no matter what they do at this point.

NDRU said:

Actually Prince & McCartney are good comparisons in some ways. Both have had a string of hugely disappointing albums after a string of masterpieces which nobody could be expected to match.

But among those "lesser" albums are a bunch of really good songs.

And they both have enough classics that their legacy remains ssecure no matter what they do at this point.

Agreed. When you have songs like Purple Rain and Band On The Run in your catalog you have pretty much secured musical legacy.