jackson35 said:

someone came on here and posted that roger troutman can't perform the diffrent styles of music that prince is able to do and i'm telling all of you that is pure hogwash. there are plenty of artist back then and today that can do what prince can do and better. i just don't think other artist have to be put down to keep prince up. they aer both talented.

no body said that. One poster said that while roger was versatile, prince was even more versatile'

no body said that. One poster said that while roger was versatile, prince was even more versatile''

and there were not "many" artists who were better than prince or more versatile. Prince was widely regarded as the best pop/rock musician betweden 1980-88 , and he was

Shango said:

jackson35 said: wb marketing

I also enjoy this topic although

comparisons never seem to mix well on this side of org-town lol. I've seen similar discussions about Jimi Hendrix

getting heated up in here, so the non-Prince would be imo a better place with maybe more variety of feedback.

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Being a prince fan, you should know that all these homo phobic square minded people won't even give Prince a chance. Most young people think Prince was just a pop star that had one or two killer hits Kiss and When Doves Cry. Some even forget that he made Purple Rain, which by many is referred to as a overrated power ballad.

I know probably one person not in my family and about the same age that I know has heard Parade, and got teased at school when I was younger for listening to him.

Roger Troutman on the other hand easier gets the thumbs up because he's more accesible and not as flamboyant and androgyne stylistic. A random hip hop or funk fan would give him the props easily without being afraid of what people would say. I'ts to be said that I love Troutmans music though.

Prince would record and produce a song from start to finish in a day. This playing all his instruments by himself. In maybe one take pr instrument with few to no changes. When thinking about how many tracks he has, that shit is pretty strong.

Composing stuff like God and Condition of The Heart and playing it entirely by himself. Completely different from all of his funk stuff, which isnt as many instruments at once as Roger, but using space and simplicity to create a unique sound that never got boring.

Roger was maybe even more technically talented in many of the instruments. Being able to perform more rythmically correct etc. But Prince had an incredible mind when it comes to composing and performing with emotion and making classic music that never dies and will be loved by both fans of prince and general music fans as well.

prodigalfan said:

babynoz said:

I think he mentioned something a while back about P mistreating some people he was associated with...I guess he still mad.

I suspect that either he or someone close believes he/she was burned by association with with Prince.

He actually said something to that effect on a thread about Prince and Tom Joyner a while back, so he's still holding a grudge or something.

hhhhdmt said:

jackson35 said:

someone came on here and posted that roger troutman can't perform the diffrent styles of music that prince is able to do and i'm telling all of you that is pure hogwash. there are plenty of artist back then and today that can do what prince can do and better. i just don't think other artist have to be put down to keep prince up. they aer both talented.

no body said that. One poster said that while roger was versatile, prince was even more versatile'

no body said that. One poster said that while roger was versatile, prince was even more versatile''

and there were not "many" artists who were better than prince or more versatile. Prince was widely regarded as the best pop/rock musician betweden 1980-88 , and he was

are you kidding? after purple rain, he got steamrolled by every act in the 80s from bobby brown to sting.its makes perfect sense that his popularity would go down for the simple fact that he didnt known how to give good interveiws and made terrible videos and release the wrong singles to push his albums.

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt said:

no body said that. One poster said that while roger was versatile, prince was even more versatile''

and there were not "many" artists who were better than prince or more versatile. Prince was widely regarded as the best pop/rock musician betweden 1980-88 , and he was

are you kidding? after purple rain, he got steamrolled by every act in the 80s from bobby brown to sting.its makes perfect sense that his popularity would go down for the simple fact that he didnt known how to give good interveiws and made terrible videos and release the wrong singles to push his albums.

am i kidding? No, sign of the times was widely acclaimed and selected as the best album of 1987. Fact is no other solo artist showed so much diversity and wrote so many hits between 1980-88. No one. Comparing bobby brown to prince is comical

Popularity and music videos mean nothing except to those who lack musicial knowledge. Which you very clearly dont understand.

"streamrolled" by every musical act lol. The likes of bobby brown could only dream of having one tenth of prince's talent.

now bobby brown is more talented than prince? Not only did prince write far more hits, he wrote far many good songs, far more good albums and his ability to play multiple instruments is rivaled by very few. What instrument did bobby play and was he better than prince on anything? Was he more versatile? Does he have a better discography? The answer to all of this is an astounding NO

hhhhdmt said:

now bobby brown is more talented than prince? Not only did prince write far more hits, he wrote far many good songs, far more good albums and his ability to play multiple instruments is rivaled by very few. What instrument did bobby play and was he better than prince on anything? Was he more versatile? Does he have a better discography? The answer to all of this is an astounding NO

Hell, in Bobby's prime of say '88 to '92. Prince had more hit singles and sold more records.

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt said:

no body said that. One poster said that while roger was versatile, prince was even more versatile''

and there were not "many" artists who were better than prince or more versatile. Prince was widely regarded as the best pop/rock musician betweden 1980-88 , and he was

are you kidding? after purple rain, he got steamrolled by every act in the 80s from bobby brown to sting.its makes perfect sense that his popularity would go down for the simple fact that he didnt known how to give good interveiws and made terrible videos and release the wrong singles to push his albums.

why are u on this site?

Paris9748430 said:

hhhhdmt said:

now bobby brown is more talented than prince? Not only did prince write far more hits, he wrote far many good songs, far more good albums and his ability to play multiple instruments is rivaled by very few. What instrument did bobby play and was he better than prince on anything? Was he more versatile? Does he have a better discography? The answer to all of this is an astounding NO

Hell, in Bobby's prime of say '88 to '92. Prince had more hit singles and sold more records.

which hits are you talking about? kiss!!! you mean the hit song he took away from terry casey, put his little two cents on it and now all of a sudden he compose the song and the lyrics? how rich. did he give jessie johnson credit for contribution to the ice cream castle album. he also took credit for the success for the sign of the times lp, even though hare core prince fans known that this was a band callab from each member of the band left over from the dream factory sessions.

jackson35 said:

Paris9748430 said:

Hell, in Bobby's prime of say '88 to '92. Prince had more hit singles and sold more records.

which hits are you talking about? kiss!!! you mean the hit song he took away from terry casey, put his little two cents on it and now all of a sudden he compose the song and the lyrics? how rich. did he give jessie johnson credit for contribution to the ice cream castle album. he also took credit for the success for the sign of the times lp, even though hare core prince fans known that this was a band callab from each member of the band left over from the dream factory sessions.

kiss is a prince song, he wrote it. He wrote the lyrics for the song.

Sign of the times- he gave co writing credit to doctor fink and eric leeds for its gonna be a beautiful night, carole davis for slow love and susannah melvoin for starfish and coffee. The rest of it was all prince's genius. No one else co wrote the rest of the songs. Therefore it was his genius

And which hits am i talking about? How about 1999, little red corvette, when doves cry, thieves in the temple, diamonds and pearls, manic monday, did wendy and lisa write those as well?

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Why are you even encouraging jackson35 to post here? He's not to be taken seriously.

Anybody that believes Prince's backup had anything to do with WRITING his hits, well, they need help for that.

I liked Bobby and love Roger but come on, why compare them to Prince, who's more talented than the two of them (though Roger is a genius on his own merit; Bobby was NEVER a genius lol).

i know i shouldnt be resposding to trolls. I used to go on another forum where there were alot of trolls so they really irritate me. I wish they simply didnt exist

The two threads that he has repeatedly posted in have so much nonense written in them, Prince's father writing "most" of the music on purple rain and parade, prince being unable to do anything on his own except "watered down funk", wendy and lisa being the real geniuses behind his work, and bobby brown being better than prince. Its ridicolous that i am even responding to such nonsense I wish trolls were permenantly banned from this site, because this is a great site (minus the trolls)

Co-sign

hhhhdmt said:

i know i shouldnt be resposding to trolls. I used to go on another forum where there were alot of trolls so they really irritate me. I wish they simply didnt exist

The two threads that he has repeatedly posted in have so much nonense written in them, Prince's father writing "most" of the music on purple rain and parade, prince being unable to do anything on his own except "watered down funk", wendy and lisa being the real geniuses behind his work, and bobby brown being better than prince. Its ridicolous that i am even responding to such nonsense I wish trolls were permenantly banned from this site, because this is a great site (minus the trolls)

Virgo92 said:

jackson35 said:

It is a known fact that prince does not give proper credit to any of his band members for ideas and songs they submit to his albums. thats why his music is suffering now. you do known that musicology is remake right? you do known that the music for life of the party is pure jame brown? as for being able to perform all types of music... that pure hogwash. if it wasnt for eric leeds, sheila e, wendy and lisa, tony m, he would not be able to do anything but watered down funk music

You really sound stupid now. Prince was making funk classic before they even came in the picture. "Head","Sexy Dancer","I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "Soft & Wet" are just some examples. You even have the nerve to include Tony M!! WTF. Prince made "When You Were Mine","I'm Yours","Controversy","Let's Work" and "Do Me Baby" without any of those people, so you need to stop sounding ignorant. Watered down funk? Get out of here.

Did Dre' Cymone claimed he wrote that?

Somethng about being influence by an Eddie Hazel tune..

Also, was it said that Morris wrote Party Up?

HuMpThAnG said:

Virgo92 said:

jackson35 said: You really sound stupid now. Prince was making funk classic before they even came in the picture. "Head","Sexy Dancer","I Wanna Be Your Lover" and "Soft & Wet" are just some examples. You even have the nerve to include Tony M!! WTF. Prince made "When You Were Mine","I'm Yours","Controversy","Let's Work" and "Do Me Baby" without any of those people, so you need to stop sounding ignorant. Watered down funk? Get out of here.

Did Dre' Cymone claimed he wrote that?

Somethng about being influence by an Eddie Hazel tune..

Also, was it said that Morris wrote Party Up?

If Andre claimed it I hadn't heard nothing about it and Morris is credited with Prince in Partyup.

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Did Dre' Cymone claimed he wrote that?

Somethng about being influence by an Eddie Hazel tune..

Also, was it said that Morris wrote Party Up?

If Andre claimed it I hadn't heard nothing about it and Morris is credited with Prince in Partyup.

Not on the album, he isn't.

Only Fink is giving credit for co-writing "Dirty Mind"

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

If Andre claimed it I hadn't heard nothing about it and Morris is credited with Prince in Partyup.

Not on the album, he isn't.

Only Fink is giving credit for co-writing "Dirty Mind"

Maybe I need to check again... could've sworn I saw his name. Maybe I was seeing things.

2freaky4church1 said:

Prince is more talented than Stevie Wonder. Troutman doesn't come close. Funk for funk sake vs changing the history of music. I know what side I'm on.

Both Stevie & Roger could play all of Prince's tunes on their harmonicas...

Enuff said...

Graycap23 said:

jackson35 said:

are you kidding? after purple rain, he got steamrolled by every act in the 80s from bobby brown to sting.its makes perfect sense that his popularity would go down for the simple fact that he didnt known how to give good interveiws and made terrible videos and release the wrong singles to push his albums.

why are u on this site?

I already told you...

BTW, this whole conversation is extremely silly. Roger admired and respected Prince a great deal, and I'm sure the feeling was mutual.

For example...

This 1st song sounds very influenced by Prince. It sounds a lot like Sexy Dancer and DMSR. The 2nd Song mentions Prince by name and it shows how much Roger dug Prince.

So, it doesn't really matter who you think is more talented. One of them was taken from this world entirely too soon, and we should celebrate his legacy.

We should also celebrate and embrace Prince because he's still around.

yup

Roger Troutman was super talented like Prince and were the same type of artist in many respects. Roger just never achieved the star power Prince got after PR. Roger had a rejuvenation with Tupac, where he was exposed to a new generation, but he died before he could reach unknown heights. Prince and Roger are both great artist and both incredibly talented, and respected each other, which is the most important thing.

Ok here is the real deal I am Roger Lynch's cousin. Roger Lynch who is from St Paul is Roger Troutman's son and he played in Zapp. When me and little roger were teens we set up stages for Roger. Roger toured with Prince and the Time in the early 80's. This is a true story I asked roger who he looked up to and he mentioned Prince. Now this is very relevant cause Roger musically did not have any equals at the time except prince.

Musically I think Roger was better because Roger could play all the instruments Prince could and more. Roger was exceptional on everything and could also play all the wind/horn instruments including harmonica.

Creatively Prince was obviously better and had more commercial qualities.

Vocally No contest Prince.

Bottom line if you put both guys in a room Roger is a more polished all around musician with the ability to play all instruments. You very rarely see Prince credited with playing horns in fact he brings in Miles Davis and Maceo Parker when he needs horns, Roger plays his own, Ive seen him do it personally. I also met Prince when Roger toured with him, but I never talked to Prince.

Another note Roger and Prince were both signed gto Warners around the same time, and Roger had a very successful R/B funk career but never really cross over cause he never had that rock edge and couldnt really sing.

All around no one in the world has ever compared to Prince's ability to write sing produce and make music nobody.

so who better looking?

JACKSON80 said:

Ok here is the real deal I am Roger Lynch's cousin. Roger Lynch who is from St Paul is Roger Troutman's son and he played in Zapp. When me and little roger were teens we set up stages for Roger. Roger toured with Prince and the Time in the early 80's. This is a true story I asked roger who he looked up to and he mentioned Prince. Now this is very relevant cause Roger musically did not have any equals at the time except prince.

Musically I think Roger was better because Roger could play all the instruments Prince could and more. Roger was exceptional on everything and could also play all the wind/horn instruments including harmonica.

Creatively Prince was obviously better and had more commercial qualities.

Vocally No contest Prince.

Bottom line if you put both guys in a room Roger is a more polished all around musician with the ability to play all instruments. You very rarely see Prince credited with playing horns in fact he brings in Miles Davis and Maceo Parker when he needs horns, Roger plays his own, Ive seen him do it personally. I also met Prince when Roger toured with him, but I never talked to Prince.

Another note Roger and Prince were both signed gto Warners around the same time, and Roger had a very successful R/B funk career but never really cross over cause he never had that rock edge and couldnt really sing.

All around no one in the world has ever compared to Prince's ability to write sing produce and make music nobody.

Militant, Thank you for educating me!

In the Netherlands P has been P, not related to R&B so much (as far as I know). Therefore, other R&B and Funk artists that are famous in the US or UK haven't had airplay, and are unknown.

The way you always explain on threads why a song or artist is relevant for music history and you back it up with material, is just great.

In Holland there is a tv series called "classical albums"**. A program like that, however more educational and explaining it from the context of that time and a few songs or album, would be perfect for you. I really think you would be good at making a program like that. You know a lot about music and can explain it clearly!

**I'll post the link, don't pay attention to the Dutch underline, it's in English, so you should be able to understand the whole program .

Bob Marley; Catch a fire

Of bekijk de flash versie.

Virgo92 said:

These are my two favorite artists of all time. And I just wanna know who do u think is more talented? Roger can play guitar, bass, drums, keyboard obviously and he can sing, so can Prince. I can't choose.

1. Prince is more talented than Roger.

HOWEVER........

2. Roger was a better true funk solider than Prince. In addition, Roger stay committed to the synth-funk sound a lot longer than Prince ever did.

prince is more talented then every singer, musician, dancer, actor, in hollywood. CAN WE PLEASE SHUT THIS TOPIC DOWN.

jackson35 said:

prince is more talented then every singer, musician, dancer, actor, in hollywood. CAN WE PLEASE SHUT THIS TOPIC DOWN.

no we dont need to. Unlike you, none of us are making absurd claims (you know, wendy playing the solo on wdc, prince's father writing most of the songs on purple rain and parade, prince not being able to do anything except watered down funk). You dont like prince, we get it. However most of us here do. And most professional musicians regard him as a highly gifted artist too. This is a Prince fansite and therefore his fans are going to praise him for his talents. Same with an MJ fansite, or a Beatles fansite or a fansite of any artist.

JACKSON80 said:

Ok here is the real deal I am Roger Lynch's cousin. Roger Lynch who is from St Paul is Roger Troutman's son and he played in Zapp. When me and little roger were teens we set up stages for Roger. Roger toured with Prince and the Time in the early 80's. This is a true story I asked roger who he looked up to and he mentioned Prince. Now this is very relevant cause Roger musically did not have any equals at the time except prince.

Musically I think Roger was better because Roger could play all the instruments Prince could and more. Roger was exceptional on everything and could also play all the wind/horn instruments including harmonica.

Creatively Prince was obviously better and had more commercial qualities.

Vocally No contest Prince.

Bottom line if you put both guys in a room Roger is a more polished all around musician with the ability to play all instruments. You very rarely see Prince credited with playing horns in fact he brings in Miles Davis and Maceo Parker when he needs horns, Roger plays his own, Ive seen him do it personally. I also met Prince when Roger toured with him, but I never talked to Prince.

Another note Roger and Prince were both signed gto Warners around the same time, and Roger had a very successful R/B funk career but never really cross over cause he never had that rock edge and couldnt really sing.

All around no one in the world has ever compared to Prince's ability to write sing produce and make music nobody.

Much love to the Roger Troutman family.

Anyone who was around at the time and had a love for that unique groove that Zapp and Roger put down at the time knows what they brought to the Funk/R&B game so there is really no discussion. There was room for both and with the way music is now we need new breed Roger and Prince to show up and the baton can be passed.