Kindness

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madness said:

Serious said:

Sorry

Well I can understand that people might have special experiences, but that they happen at a Prince concert is pretty weird to me. Maybe weird is not the best word, but English is not my first language...

But I am sure you will find fams here on that forum who will totally understand you and who see Prince as some kind of messiah or medium for God or whatever....

Have you ever been to church in Africa? I lived in Zambia briefly and definitely what I experienced at the show paralleled what I saw (but never experienced) in Lusaka. I think that the relationship between God and music has been intertwined for longer than we can imagine....

Though I will say that this is not an experience I even expected to have in my life, much less at a concert...

I think we all have the capacity to tap into God/channel, but most of us choose not to... But we all can (watch the video I linked to in my original post)

Prince in't the Messiah, I'm not trying to say that... but he vibrates at a VERY high frequency, and if you tap into that frequency, surrender, and vibrate there... the experience is completely transformative and beyond words.

I hope you are able to have this experience, though music, or through anything!

Love.

I totally get it....

As an atheist I can't relate to your spiritual experiences, but I am happy you had them. You seem positive and that is the key. Don't worry about the negativity on this thread. Some of us have the ability to be be happy for others and don't spend our time laughing at others for no reason.

I can definitely relate to music being profoundly life changing on a very deep level, the only difference between you and I is that I don't attribute any of that stuff on a mystic or unexplainable level. We're all just having chemical experiences in one way or another in our brains, and there are some things capable of controlling the flow of that experience

i get whay your saying my guru sathya sai baba taught me 2 c god in every 1 good or bad

all experiences r down 2 him. let the haters hate until u hve discovered that true love

they will continue 2 doubt. much respect 2 ur honesty the beetles

said it best

all u need is love

Shorty said:

Serious said:

Are you talking about me ?

Well judging from the number of views and posts for this thread I guess most peoeple are just kinda speechless....

yes. I was actually surprised because you're usually so nice. perhaps...speechless is the best option...

Well I was actually trying to be nice .

Actually there's only one thing i want to add to this thread. But that one thing is very, very important IMHO:

If you have a therapist, and if that "therapist" really, i mean REALLY said you had "a kundalini awakening"... then somebody MUST strike off this "therapist", period.

Really, i'm totally serious, and as somebody that spent years on studying psychology, psychological therapy and psychoanalysis, this upsets me to the greatest extent!

Your post and everything you say is ridiculous, of course. But if somebody claims to be a "therapist" and talks such major nonsense, it is not only eminently disgraceful, but the fact that this certain somebody is still allowed to be in work is extremely dangerous.

Stupid bullshit like this may lead weaker minds into serious problems with reality, which again may lead into depressions and even suicide. Hope you'll be fine again soon, but to get there, PLEASE STOP listening to that so-called "therapist".

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madness said:

I had a life changing experience at the Prince concert on Wednesday 2/23 in Oakland. From what I have researched and my discussion with my (open-minded) therapist, I had a kundalini awakening (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini)... saw God, saw my own narrow, limiting ego and the abritrary rules I live by, and saw Prince, a profoundly shy, honest, deep, open, loving man who is unbelievably strong-- so strong that God flows through him like water flows through a powerful river. The process of the kundalini arising was physically, emotionally, and psychologically frightening, but once I decided to accept the process I saw the infinite love that was within me, and especially, expressed in Prince though his gift of music... so much love and so much God in his music that the brillance and intensity bordered on pain. After the kundilini had been released and I reached this new level of consciousness, I began dancing as though someone else was moving me. And no, I wasn't on acid, though i had smoked one puff of weed.

Anyway, I bring up my story for 2 reasons: the first: has anyone had anything like this occur (especially at a Prince show)? From what I can understand about this, the expression of God through Prince, his energy, the energy of the crowd, and my openness enabled the experience to occur.

The second thing is the prevalence of God (Christianity) and Hinduism throughout Prince's body of work. I think he has always known that God works through him. Almost every song on Purple Rain has a God/or Christ reference... the more recent work (1990s + ) has references to Hinduism (Lotusflow3r). Really I see him as much as a spiritual leader/healer as a complete musical genius (and these two things might not be unrelated, see Elizabeth Gilbert of Eat Pray Love discuss the relationship between genius and God: http://www.ted.com/talks/...enius.html

It should be no surprise that someone who is divinely inspired prioritizes religion, whatever form that religion takes...

I was agnostic before I saw the Wednesday show. I feel that this concert was the greatest gift. How is he able to share so much love and so much divinity with so much openness, and with no fear? Amazing amazing amazing...

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I was at the Wednesday show and I would just like to confirm that you are, indeed, trippin'.

madness, what an absolutely fantastic experience to have. The fact that you had a kundalini awakening during a Prince concert doesn't surprise me in the least. There is definitely something special about that man and the energy he exudes. I've experienced him in meditations. Since you have had the kundalini awakening, you may want to look into certain yogic practices to be able to raise that energy through your spine at will. Since the door is open, so to speak, don't let it close again.

For those that are questioning the experience, just because you don't understand the experience, or what is involved with the experience, doesn't make it any less real. In fact, I would argue that it is much more real than anything else one could experience.

Forgiveness.

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FunkyDissCo said:

Actually there's only one thing i want to add to this thread. But that one thing is very, very important IMHO:

If you have a therapist, and if that "therapist" really, i mean REALLY said you had "a kundalini awakening"... then somebody MUST strike off this "therapist", period.

Really, i'm totally serious, and as somebody that spent years on studying psychology, psychological therapy and psychoanalysis, this upsets me to the greatest extent!

Your post and everything you say is ridiculous, of course. But if somebody claims to be a "therapist" and talks such major nonsense, it is not only eminently disgraceful, but the fact that this certain somebody is still allowed to be in work is extremely dangerous.

Stupid bullshit like this may lead weaker minds into serious problems with reality, which again may lead into depressions and even suicide. Hope you'll be fine again soon, but to get there, PLEASE STOP listening to that so-called "therapist".

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I disagree with this. A lot of therapists are using meditation as a very viable option to aide their clients with anxiety, depression, chronic pain, bipolar, ADD/ADHD symptoms. Research has shown that meditation is very beneficial in assisting a client in over-coming and coping with a myriad of disorders. However, I think it is crucial for a therapist to understand the kundalini energy and chakras, what kind of an impact that may have on an individual, and be trained to assist and promote that kind of awakening, since it is possible to have a kundalini awakening (deeply so) in meditation. Many therapists today are studying Eastern religions/philosophies because they are finding (and research supports it) that those practices are extremely valuable and beneficial to the human psyche and consciousness.

madness said:

I had a life changing experience at the Prince concert on Wednesday 2/23 in Oakland. From what I have researched and my discussion with my (open-minded) therapist, I had a kundalini awakening (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini)... saw God, saw my own narrow, limiting ego and the abritrary rules I live by, and saw Prince, a profoundly shy, honest, deep, open, loving man who is unbelievably strong-- so strong that God flows through him like water flows through a powerful river. The process of the kundalini arising was physically, emotionally, and psychologically frightening, but once I decided to accept the process I saw the infinite love that was within me, and especially, expressed in Prince though his gift of music... so much love and so much God in his music that the brillance and intensity bordered on pain. After the kundilini had been released and I reached this new level of consciousness, I began dancing as though someone else was moving me. And no, I wasn't on acid, though i had smoked one puff of weed.

Anyway, I bring up my story for 2 reasons: the first: has anyone had anything like this occur (especially at a Prince show)? From what I can understand about this, the expression of God through Prince, his energy, the energy of the crowd, and my openness enabled the experience to occur.

The second thing is the prevalence of God (Christianity) and Hinduism throughout Prince's body of work. I think he has always known that God works through him. Almost every song on Purple Rain has a God/or Christ reference... the more recent work (1990s + ) has references to Hinduism (Lotusflow3r). Really I see him as much as a spiritual leader/healer as a complete musical genius (and these two things might not be unrelated, see Elizabeth Gilbert of Eat Pray Love discuss the relationship between genius and God: http://www.ted.com/talks/...enius.html

It should be no surprise that someone who is divinely inspired prioritizes religion, whatever form that religion takes...

I was agnostic before I saw the Wednesday show. I feel that this concert was the greatest gift. How is he able to share so much love and so much divinity with so much openness, and with no fear? Amazing amazing amazing...

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I think it's awesome that you posted this. A lot of the jaded folks are going to give you shit, but just ignore them and their negative energy. Everyone has their own experiences in life that others may not understand and it sounds like you just had a wonderful one.

xlr8r said:

This post is easy to clown but I understand it oddly. Ive had several.."religious experiences" at certain concets (from different artists not just a prince one). This is why I think so many musicians are truly gifted (and hardworking) but also in some ways part of the divine at times.

Yeah, I get what you mean too and it's one reason why I quit getting drunk before concerts, you lose a lot of the experience when you're fucked up and not just from bathroom breaks.

xlr8r said:

vitriol said:

The last time I went to a Prince concert I saw him do amazing things.

He turned water into wine, he multiplied breads and fishes for a whole population, he healed the crippled, cleaned the leppers, there was even one guy who had died and decided to come back to life so as not to miss the concert (I think Lazarus was his name), and just after the piano medley Prince trode over water.

Now, seriously, TOO MUCH LSD on this thread.

goddamn will you go sit down somewhere for few weeks please? take haterina with ya'

They're fucking annoying.

In the future it might be a good idea not to bring your Spiritual awakening to the Org.

You should know this place is overrun with heathens.

FunkyDissCo said:

Actually there's only one thing i want to add to this thread. But that one thing is very, very important IMHO:

If you have a therapist, and if that "therapist" really, i mean REALLY said you had "a kundalini awakening"... then somebody MUST strike off this "therapist", period.

Really, i'm totally serious, and as somebody that spent years on studying psychology, psychological therapy and psychoanalysis, this upsets me to the greatest extent!

Your post and everything you say is ridiculous, of course. But if somebody claims to be a "therapist" and talks such major nonsense, it is not only eminently disgraceful, but the fact that this certain somebody is still allowed to be in work is extremely dangerous.

Stupid bullshit like this may lead weaker minds into serious problems with reality, which again may lead into depressions and even suicide. Hope you'll be fine again soon, but to get there, PLEASE STOP listening to that so-called "therapist".

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Yeah, instead listen to some close-minded, anonymous person on a Prince site!

Madness, thank you so much for sharing your experience

I was excited to read your post, but admit that I cringed, knowing what was likely to follow. I thought perhaps this was not a good place to post about it, but now I see it differently.

Providing you're genuinely ok with whatever follows, I think it's awesome that you've shared such a beautiful experience here - maybe if more of us did so, the energy of this place might shift a little.

Like yourself and prettypriss, I have had spiritual experiences that involve Prince's music in some way.

Anyone who's had these sorts of experiences will know straight away what you're talking about. Those that haven't (and aren't open to it), will dismiss, mock, worry, etc... and that's ok - they honestly don't need to understand.

My spiritual teacher has experienced intense kundalini awakenings at times and I have just started to become aware of the energy movement, some which have been more than a little uncomfortable, but I understand the transformation that's taking place and I'm open to it.

I was amazed though to see that you were agnostic before you went to the concert - that's an extremely sudden transformation and I can understand it would be frightening and confusing, so I'm glad you have an open-minded therapist to talk to about it.

One suggestion I would make (yes, I know others have made it in jest, but it's still valid) is to avoid any drugs while this is taking place. Drugs, even alcohol and weed, can have heightened effects when you're in such a sensitive and vulnerable space - they can also change your vibrational frequency, which I won't go into here, but suffice to say that it's a much smoother ride without them.

I do believe we are all Divine vessels, it's just up to us to get out of the way, so to speak, to allow God/Source/our Higher Selves to work through us. All human dramas aside, I do believe that Prince has opened himself up to this experience more than most, and much more than many here would give him credit (understandably so, given said human dramas).

Through his music he holds a very strong Light vibration, and it's inspiring to hear of others who have allowed for their own vibration to lift through experiencing this music. I agree that he has surely always known this and his expression of such has simply changed over the years (and continues to do so).

Thanks again for sharing and I wish you all the best in your newfound spiritual journey

I tried to be factual and honest. What i got back was bashing for being a "close minded person". I would be rolling over the floor laughing if this wasn't so serious.

Please. I want you to know that this type of shit is incredibly wrong. And it's dangerous, as i mentioned before. Believe me, i'm not only professionally trained in psychology, analysis and the likes, I also know more about meditation and non-western kinds of approaches to reality than all of you blatherskites together. Plus, I've "seen things" in my life due to my intense interest in such issues, all you toddlers wouldn't even believe they existed. Meditation of all sorts? Been there. Halucinogenes, taken with and without spiritual supervision? Done that. Out-of-body experiences, strange foresight encounters, etc., I've been digging very deep into ALL that. Besides, like i mentioned before, I'm a man of science. If you're telling me all the stuff described by the OP would be acknowledged by a "therapist", i really would like to know which country you're from. In the country I'm living in, stuff like that wll get ANY "therapist" sued instantly for involuntary assault. Doubt all that, i don't care...

This thread is so full of bullshit, it stinks like a defecator. And like i said: It's dangerous. This shit ain't funny. Younger Prince fans might read this and actually believe all this nonsense. This isn't just stupid talk, it's threatening real people's real lifes.

PLEASE close this thread, i'm totally serious about that!

FunkyDissCo said:

I tried to be factual and honest. What i got back was bashing for being a "close minded person". I would be rolling over the floor laughing if this wasn't so serious.

Please. I want you to know that this type of shit is incredibly wrong. And it's dangerous, as i mentioned before. Believe me, i'm not only professionally trained in psychology, analysis and the likes, I also know more about meditation and non-western kinds of approaches to reality than all of you blatherskites together. Plus, I've "seen things" in my life due to my intense interest in such issues, all you toddlers wouldn't even believe they existed. Meditation of all sorts? Been there. Halucinogenes, taken with and without spiritual supervision? Done that. Out-of-body experiences, strange foresight encounters, etc., I've been digging very deep into ALL that. Besides, like i mentioned before, I'm a man of science. If you're telling me all the stuff described by the OP would be acknowledged by a "therapist", i really would like to know which country you're from. In the country I'm living in, stuff like that wll get ANY "therapist" sued instantly for involuntary assault. Doubt all that, i don't care...

This thread is so full of bullshit, it stinks like a defecator. And like i said: It's dangerous. This shit ain't funny. Younger Prince fans might read this and actually believe all this nonsense. This isn't just stupid talk, it's threatening real people's real lifes.

PLEASE close this thread, i'm totally serious about that!

It's only dangerous to an untrained/unprepared mind. That is why it is always important to seek out a true Guru. Without a Guru, one is flying blind.

As for the counselors, therapists, that are being trained and seeking training in Eastern philosophies, that is happening in the US. Not sure of other countries but empirical evidence shows how beneficial it is.

Transcendence.

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FunkyDissCo said:

I tried to be factual and honest. What i got back was bashing for being a "close minded person". I would be rolling over the floor laughing if this wasn't so serious.

Please. I want you to know that this type of shit is incredibly wrong. And it's dangerous, as i mentioned before. Believe me, i'm not only professionally trained in psychology, analysis and the likes, I also know more about meditation and non-western kinds of approaches to reality than all of you blatherskites together. Plus, I've "seen things" in my life due to my intense interest in such issues, all you toddlers wouldn't even believe they existed. Meditation of all sorts? Been there. Halucinogenes, taken with and without spiritual supervision? Done that. Out-of-body experiences, strange foresight encounters, etc., I've been digging very deep into ALL that. Besides, like i mentioned before, I'm a man of science. If you're telling me all the stuff described by the OP would be acknowledged by a "therapist", i really would like to know which country you're from. In the country I'm living in, stuff like that wll get ANY "therapist" sued instantly for involuntary assault. Doubt all that, i don't care...

This thread is so full of bullshit, it stinks like a defecator. And like i said: It's dangerous. This shit ain't funny. Younger Prince fans might read this and actually believe all this nonsense. This isn't just stupid talk, it's threatening real people's real lifes.

PLEASE close this thread, i'm totally serious about that!

So a couple of people mentioned you being negative and close-minded, but you've resorted to referring to those trying to discuss this as blatherskites and toddlers.

You've also assumed that you know more about the subject than anyone else, so I'm wondering what you would advise a client who brought so much anger and name-calling into a session with you?

Madness isn't suggesting that people 'try' something - she was describing an experience that happened to her.

I understand what you're getting at - ie. many delusional people cite religious/spiritual experiences as grounds for what amounts more to genuine instability, but there's no reason to assume that in this case.

I think it's great that people having these sorts of experiences have a non-judgemental therapist/teacher/friend that they can talk to, as it's often the denial, suppression or simple hiding of a genuine experience that can lead to major problems.

I have concerns too for younger Prince fans on this site - always have. But this thread is the least of their worries IMO.

prittypriss said:

It's only dangerous to an untrained/unprepared mind. That is why it is always important to seek out a true Guru. Without a Guru, one is flying blind.

Been a loooong time i heard somebody mentioning "a guru" on a serious note.

So you really think you're "flying blind" without "a guru", yeah?

I think that's where our little discussion has to be ended, since i only talk to people that think for themselves. Shit, i can't believe i'm even answering that...

BTW: Who's YOUR guru? There were a lot of impressive "gurus" in history. Jim Jones was cool. Manson wasn't bad either. Oh, and there was Hitler. The greatest "guru" of all times, eh?

Seriously, what once was a website where fans of the music of Prince would come together, has become a total mental home. Unbelievable. You lot is c-r-a-z-y, literally.

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Chiquetet said:

I understand what you're getting at

No, you're not. Not at all.

Seriously, i'm out.

FunkyDissCo said:

Chiquetet said:

I understand what you're getting at

No, you're not. Not at all.

Seriously, i'm out.

Ok, fair enough.

Faith.

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See? We, over here in Europe, stopped "following people" the way you do in 1789, after the French Revolution. Exceptions aside, that's when we decided to stop following "gurus" and think for ourselves.

[C]an we get FunkyDissCo to leave this thread?

No, you can't.

madness said:

Hmmmm... can we get FunkyDissCo to leave this thread?

I sometimes want to clear the 'peanut gallery' from a thread, but in fairness, FunkyDissCo was legitimately engaging in the discussion. Granted, the name-calling wasn't really necessary, but I wouln't be calling for them to leave the thread.

That said, given their last second last post (), it's a moot point anyway.

I do think most people are good (all people can be good!) at the same time i would expect that most Prince fans on't necessarily get (yet) all that I am saying... but those of you that do--who have posted and sent me emails--make me feel so fortunate to have shared this experience with you all. and this thing that happened was so powerful, i really wanted to share it... and given his energy, i would be really surprised if i am the only one who has had such a spiritual experience at his show.

I'm glad you had some positive responses and agree that you would not be even close to the only one who has had a spiritual experience at his show. People joke about the "purple high" after a concert, but even that in itself is a spiritual experience of sorts (depending on your perception).

I believe all people already are good (Divine, even) - some are just better at hiding it

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Chiquetet said:

I believe all people already are good (Divine, even) - some are just better at hiding it

exactly!!!!

Madness, one final question:

You joined this site only to post your "experience", am i right?

Have you ever thought about this being the wrong place to talk about stuff like that?

Don't you think it's weird to join a fan community and start by unboxing your most intimate illusions? Is it straight from-the-therapist-to-the-org? Why do you think this site could be working as a secondary therapist? Why do you think that Prince fans, most of which are totally pissed off about what he's doing in recent years, thereby not at all buying your "he's so beautiful inside"-story, would be interested in your fam chatter? This is a real question, because up to now, i'm totally clueless as to what you're motivation is to behave like this / post this here at all.

EDIT: There is one single question in your OP that is pretty spot on: WHY the hell does he seem so "fearless", with respect to the shows he's delivering lately? Now THAT is an interesting questing!

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Clarity

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FunkyDissCo said:

prittypriss said:

It's only dangerous to an untrained/unprepared mind. That is why it is always important to seek out a true Guru. Without a Guru, one is flying blind.

Been a loooong time i heard somebody mentioning "a guru" on a serious note.

So you really think you're "flying blind" without "a guru", yeah?

I think that's where our little discussion has to be ended, since i only talk to people that think for themselves. Shit, i can't believe i'm even answering that...

BTW: Who's YOUR guru? There were a lot of impressive "gurus" in history. Jim Jones was cool. Manson wasn't bad either. Oh, and there was Hitler. The greatest "guru" of all times, eh?

Seriously, what once was a website where fans of the music of Prince would come together, has become a total mental home. Unbelievable. You lot is c-r-a-z-y, literally.

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That's a great way to talk to people, VERY professional!