silkylee said:

I find it amazing how Prince fans think's he can do no wrong.

As if he's the second coming.

Some of yall would probably slice your fuckin throats if you found out Prince wasn't perfect.

I don't give a DAMN what he does.

Just keep me entertained and don't molest children.

I don't think it's that, Prince has always projected an aura of control, now, that don't mean he hasn't faltered but i think that's just part of his persona. At the end of the day, we're all junkies to something, mine's is pussy and caffeine, a guy like Prince's is Music, control, maybe adrenaline and women of course.

mozfonky said:

Being the fan that I've been, I've read every book out on Prince and by most accounts he was anti-drug and alcohol the first several years of his career. I think he may have drank a little wine in the early days but nothing crazy. There are many reasons I don't believe P ever went too far into any addiction, He spoke against it many times in his early career for one thing, criticized drugs in lyrics and the people who did them. That in itself is meaningless but I don't believe he would have been capable of getting as much work done if he'd been heavily addicted to anything other than music. Addicts always, always eventually pay for their vice. Prince has always been fairly predictable and consistent as far as his workrate. In fact, until I read the anectdotes by Krattinger and heard the many stories about the bad ecstasy trip, i doubted everything I heard. On the whole, I think Prince dabbled in some drugs, usually with the encouragement of a woman, I've seen some square men do what a woman tell him to do in regard to drink and drugs. As far as him being heavy into the shit? Nah, no way.

Oh dang, you met Adam too?

purplemookiebut said:

mozfonky said:

Being the fan that I've been, I've read every book out on Prince and by most accounts he was anti-drug and alcohol the first several years of his career. I think he may have drank a little wine in the early days but nothing crazy. There are many reasons I don't believe P ever went too far into any addiction, He spoke against it many times in his early career for one thing, criticized drugs in lyrics and the people who did them. That in itself is meaningless but I don't believe he would have been capable of getting as much work done if he'd been heavily addicted to anything other than music. Addicts always, always eventually pay for their vice. Prince has always been fairly predictable and consistent as far as his workrate. In fact, until I read the anectdotes by Krattinger and heard the many stories about the bad ecstasy trip, i doubted everything I heard. On the whole, I think Prince dabbled in some drugs, usually with the encouragement of a woman, I've seen some square men do what a woman tell him to do in regard to drink and drugs. As far as him being heavy into the shit? Nah, no way.

there is such a thing as a functioning addict

I've heard the term, applied to alcoholics but stuff like coke and even marijuana have different effects. It's not like the guy who drinks all day long, coke and harder drugs like heroin will eventually catch up to anyone I think. Marijuana is tame compared to all of them but i notice that potheads change, get lazy, sloppy, mellow, Prince has never been any of those.

Superfunkycalifragisexy...anyone else in Cali? I have a chair... ha-ha

LadyCasanova said:

mozfonky said:

Being the fan that I've been, I've read every book out on Prince and by most accounts he was anti-drug and alcohol the first several years of his career. I think he may have drank a little wine in the early days but nothing crazy. There are many reasons I don't believe P ever went too far into any addiction, He spoke against it many times in his early career for one thing, criticized drugs in lyrics and the people who did them. That in itself is meaningless but I don't believe he would have been capable of getting as much work done if he'd been heavily addicted to anything other than music. Addicts always, always eventually pay for their vice. Prince has always been fairly predictable and consistent as far as his workrate. In fact, until I read the anectdotes by Krattinger and heard the many stories about the bad ecstasy trip, i doubted everything I heard. On the whole, I think Prince dabbled in some drugs, usually with the encouragement of a woman, I've seen some square men do what a woman tell him to do in regard to drink and drugs. As far as him being heavy into the shit? Nah, no way.

Oh dang, you met Adam too?

well, i guess the same story been around since then, sounds like bashing but most men I know are run around by women, when i say such things, the feminists go nuts but it's not radical, women have power, i'm scared shitless of them but I never let them make me do something like that stuff.

dalsh327 said:

Prince also goes for days without sleeping. If you stay up for a few days, you'll get that sense of disorientation.

But keep in mind everyone has a different definition on what drugs are.

Had he released it as planned, I don't know if it would've gotten rave reviews.

i can relate to that. i don't sleep good at all

mozfonky said:

LadyCasanova said:

Oh dang, you met Adam too?

well, i guess the same story been around since then, sounds like bashing but most men I know are run around by women, when i say such things, the feminists go nuts but it's not radical, women have power, i'm scared shitless of them but I never let them make me do something like that stuff.

Make you? Thats funny. Autonomy, ever heard of it?

As far as Prince goes...I don't see him letting any woman tell him what to do. Back in the day, and maybe even now, women lined up to rim him. He was young, hot, and had lots of money. Its more likely Prince had, (insert female here), crawl on her knees to his , snort a line off of it, then laughed as she choked on it.

Additional insight and more of what Scouser posted from DMSR:

NightGod said:

http://prince.org/msg/7/301440

OldFriends4Sale said:

LadyCasanova said:

mozfonky said:

well, i guess the same story been around since then, sounds like bashing but most men I know are run around by women, when i say such things, the feminists go nuts but it's not radical, women have power, i'm scared shitless of them but I never let them make me do something like that stuff.

Make you? Thats funny. Autonomy, ever heard of it?

As far as Prince goes...I don't see him letting any woman tell him what to do. Back in the day, and maybe even now, women lined up to rim him. He was young, hot, and had lots of money. Its more likely Prince had, (insert female here), crawl on her knees to his , snort a line off of it, then laughed as she choked on it.

autonomy? I don't let them influence me at all, how's that? But, my point is, I've seen strong men get jerked around, hen-pecked, cajoled to do things, in fact most men I know are like that. I'm just telling you what I've seen. What happened with Prince, you and i really don't know. The story goes that Ingrid Chavez gave him the stuff, if that's true, it's not like Prince hunted the stuff down. Anyway, a chemical engineer I know told me that exctasy is what they used to tranquilize animals, nothing to play with.

mozfonky said:

LadyCasanova said:

Make you? Thats funny. Autonomy, ever heard of it?

As far as Prince goes...I don't see him letting any woman tell him what to do. Back in the day, and maybe even now, women lined up to rim him. He was young, hot, and had lots of money. Its more likely Prince had, (insert female here), crawl on her knees to his , snort a line off of it, then laughed as she choked on it.

autonomy? I don't let them influence me at all, how's that? But, my point is, I've seen strong men get jerked around, hen-pecked, cajoled to do things, in fact most men I know are like that. I'm just telling you what I've seen. What happened with Prince, you and i really don't know. The story goes that Ingrid Chavez gave him the stuff, if that's true, it's not like Prince hunted the stuff down. Anyway, a chemical engineer I know told me that exctasy is what they used to tranquilize animals, nothing to play with.

I agree, we can't know, which is why I said "likely." I've met, and spoken with, Prince. From that, i'd say the man is/was all about experience.

And speaking of the black album, I recently listened to Bob George, I think I notice things I didn't when I was younger and the Album being black meant black in terms of mood, black in terms of music, black in terms of skin. In some ways, I don't think I've ever heard Prince quite as clever on a psychological, lyrical level than he is on Bob George. You know, what many people do not understand is that top black artists have almost always been tortured souls, Richard Pryor, Sly Stone, Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke, the list goes on forever. As much as they get out of success, they sense that they lost or are in danger of losing their souls. This is where some of the best of black art gets made. Sly's There's a Riot Goin' On is his statement on this conflict. Prince spent years crafting a perfect utopia of multi-racial, ambisexualness,only to come closer and closer to what the black album, or what his dark,rejected side created. I think Bob George, which was supposedly the name of nelson george and one of his managers combined is just brilliant and subversive, it's really more prince vs. prince, prince's black self battling the guy who wanted to ignore race and sex. Krattinger was dissapointed with it's cancellation and thought that was the point where fell off the cutting edge. Had he pursued it further, he would have certainly predicted gangsta rap, whether or not he would have been a major player is doubtful though. The rap on the Black album was clearly by a guy who limited respect for the new form and it came across as jealousy when he sang "dead on it".

purplemookiebut said:

Spinlight said:

Cannabis has had a billion dollar industry doing a fantastic smear campaign for about 80 years now. It's interesting to read about how Cannabis (and its resulting harvest materials like hemp, the reefer you smoke, THC extracts/oils, etc) used to be a darling crop and then (for both racist and xenophobic reasons) came under intense scrutiny.

Back in the day during the first prohibiton of Cannabis, it was said that weed would be used by African American men to enslave their masters, so to speak. Or to rape white women, basically. It was given the name "Marijuana" which is a Mexican slang term. If you check google, you can actually see when the true mentions of the word "Marijuana" began (~1930). Up until that point, it was called Cannabis (for ingestibles) and Hemp (for the cultivated fibers to make clothes and industrial strength bonds).

After about WWI, hemp was back in fashion because typically you could harvest hemp to make high quality clothing (instead of using synthetics or even cotton which was more expensive) and other materials. However, it was pushed back into prohibition again in order to defend against Communism. (lol)

Thankfully, we're coming out of the dark ages again and I think this time it will stick. California has been a Compassionate state for just about 17 years now, maybe a lil less.

i got alot of medical problems and pains. between the pinched nerves in my back,leg and my carpel tunnels along with not having an appetite and always feeling sick with this stomach. it helped me. my stomach is basically like one big ulcer. i never sleep much either. i wish i could get a card to get it legally. only drawback are the bad coughing spells it'll give me and the anxiety attacks. never get anxiety attacks unless i'm smoking regularly. b4 my ex i had a friend i worked with and we would have occasionally smoke out too....

i was looking for weed at a party recently but they smoked it all and offered me a Ecstasy cause he was out of weed. i said no.i thought of prince and the black album and that i had to drive home in a few hours. hear too much bad shit about that stuff.. almost went to try mushrooms with coworkers once. my friend couldn't be reached. the idiot drank himself to pass out that night...he was born with that fetal alcohol syndrome and very sensitive to booze. i baby drinks but i can drink like a fish and never get a buzz. hence why i don't barely ever drink. pff pff pass. weed is so much easier. no hangover! i only had 2 ever....

Try using a vaporizer. No coughing.

Someone dear to me is a legal receipient of medical cannabis. He vaporizes. No cough, and more importantly no foul smell in house.

prodigalfan said:

purplemookiebut said:

i got alot of medical problems and pains. between the pinched nerves in my back,leg and my carpel tunnels along with not having an appetite and always feeling sick with this stomach. it helped me. my stomach is basically like one big ulcer. i never sleep much either. i wish i could get a card to get it legally. only drawback are the bad coughing spells it'll give me and the anxiety attacks. never get anxiety attacks unless i'm smoking regularly. b4 my ex i had a friend i worked with and we would have occasionally smoke out too....

i was looking for weed at a party recently but they smoked it all and offered me a Ecstasy cause he was out of weed. i said no.i thought of prince and the black album and that i had to drive home in a few hours. hear too much bad shit about that stuff.. almost went to try mushrooms with coworkers once. my friend couldn't be reached. the idiot drank himself to pass out that night...he was born with that fetal alcohol syndrome and very sensitive to booze. i baby drinks but i can drink like a fish and never get a buzz. hence why i don't barely ever drink. pff pff pass. weed is so much easier. no hangover! i only had 2 ever....

Try using a vaporizer. No coughing.

Someone dear to me is a legal receipient of medical cannabis. He vaporizes. No cough, and more importantly no foul smell in house.

yeah its not so much that i cough while smoking its just random throughout the day. yeah i've only heard good things about about vaporizers. are they expensive? are they like huge hooka's? i mean none of my family know i ever tried weed b4. i know my dad used to a bit but my mom's a square and tried it once and coughed and mocked it since. she was dating a guy in a rockband whose brother thought she was a square and spiked her drink with something. she said the trees had faces like the wizard of oz as fid the sidewalk and pavement and they were talking to her.

shit i had a old mans pipe, a corncob pipe from my ex which broke and my stepcosin made a pipe with tinfoil...never tried it as a joint. if it can be hidden in like a old purse with a vibrator then thats about the only spot my snopping mother won't look in is my sex toy purse....I HAVE NO PRIVACY

i should go to a ozzfest an buy a glass bowl.

where i worked everyone sold or grew. the supervisor even had a deal with my ex that if they did a good job she's toss him a nic or dimebag sometimes. ohh that was good shit too. but that was like 2 yrs ago. if i had a source i'm sure i'd have weed in the house more often...

u know what it makes even more fun

If that story is true, I have a feeling it's not the X but the crowd's reaction as to why he shelved it. Let's assume he just had the DJ throw this batch of songs on no one's heard, and how a crowd would react to it, and it's not an album release party??

I'm going to assume the dance floor was not moving all that much. People prob. went to get another drink or hit the bathroom. Assuming Prince was feeling the effects from X and seeing this disinterest, prob. didn't go over well. And maybe he just heard it and went "I'm not confident in this". Even though it was an expensive bath he and WB took.

It was a time when a lot of people weren't sure if rap was a fad or an art form. Aerosmith and Run DMC.. some people thought it was a novelty hit.

A lot of artists were also annoyed by someone who was using a familiar beat or guitar riff on a song they didn't get credit for.

Any album that gets that unreleased status becomes a cult favorite, so the best thing to do is get a take on those songs by someone who just sees it as part of the back catalog. Edge from U2 had mentioned it was one of his favorite albums, so you also had the U2 contingency looking for copies of it.

i often wonder if acid can make u see faces in trees like the wizard of oz could that or another drug say makes your tattoos appear to come alive and start moving? ohhh fuck!i got 85 of em. could u imagine?!!! i'd be in a rubber room if i ever tried it and that happened

purplemookiebut said:

i often wonder if acid can make u see faces in trees like the wizard of oz could that or another drug say makes your tattoos appear to come alive and start moving? ohhh fuck!i got 85 of em. could u imagine?!!! i'd be in a rubber room if i ever tried it and that happened

Acid was the drug of choice for a lot of 60s and 70s rockers, so put on some Jimi, Jefferson Airplane, or The Doors and go wild.

Spinlight said:

purplemookiebut said:

i often wonder if acid can make u see faces in trees like the wizard of oz could that or another drug say makes your tattoos appear to come alive and start moving? ohhh fuck!i got 85 of em. could u imagine?!!! i'd be in a rubber room if i ever tried it and that happened

Acid was the drug of choice for a lot of 60s and 70s rockers, so put on some Jimi, Jefferson Airplane, or The Doors and go wild.

i read if u take morning glory plant seeds and soak it in booze overnight when u drink it you'll have effects similar to acid. fuck it. it only made me pass out,piss and barf on myself... . fuck that shit!!

Prince's Ecsatcy trip is well documented and comes from people that were close to him at the time. Furthermore, its NOT A BIG DEAL!

Also, particularly to Francis7 - listen to ANNASTESIA - that song is totally about his ecstacy experience and the resultant epiphany he experienced.

Mindflux said:

Prince's Ecsatcy trip is well documented and comes from people that were close to him at the time. Furthermore, its NOT A BIG DEAL!

Also, particularly to Francis7 - listen to ANNASTESIA - that song is totally about his ecstacy experience and the resultant epiphany he experienced.

so now annastesia is slang for ecstasy too as is squirrelmeat?

purplemookiebut said:

Mindflux said:

Prince's Ecsatcy trip is well documented and comes from people that were close to him at the time. Furthermore, its NOT A BIG DEAL!

Also, particularly to Francis7 - listen to ANNASTESIA - that song is totally about his ecstacy experience and the resultant epiphany he experienced.

so now annastesia is slang for ecstasy too as is squirrelmeat?

No, Annastesia actually means "re-birth" or "resurrection".

And the song contains more lyrics than just the word Annastesia

Consider the lyrics - even just the opening few lines;

"Between white and black,

Night and day,

Black night seemed like the only way,

So I danced

Music late, nothing great,

No way to differentiate,

I took a chance

If you could just learn to smile"

When you take all those words and then apply the evidence that's already been written (about Prince getting all lovey dovey with a woman, but also having a scary experience, it is clear this song is about that drug experience.

He then has an epiphany where he realises that God is the important thing in his life and, well, the rest is history.

It is CRYSTAL clear!

swdee said:

There is no concrete evidence and these rumours if examined seem to fall apart.

The night when Susan Rogers saw him with dilated pupils.. erm IT WAS DARK with only a couple of candles, and that makes your pupils dilate!

Susan interpreting that as 'beings on drugs' means she doesn't understand this basic human response to darkness.

The reporter who claimed Cat told him she gave Prince extascy, firstly why should we believe anything a reporter tells us and secondly he was told that by an ex (disgruntled) employee...

Same principal applies to the Matt Fink comfirming some drugs story.

I'm not saying I don't think Prince never did drugs (we can never be 100% sure) but based on the very flimsy 'evidence' above plus that fact that up to and always after he has always sung AGAINST drug taking (and didn't he sack a bodyguard for taking drugs?), it seems very very unlikely.

The whole situation is just like say a Christian singer making albums promoting christianity and some reporter telling us on one night that singer denounced their religion and worshipped the devil then carried on being christian again, I think that would seem very unlikely too.

[Edited 2/3/11 10:21am]

Firstly, she said the room that was dark was the rehearsal room and that the room was EMPTY. She then says she "came out of the room" and saw Prince, so it wasn't necessarily dark where she saw him.

Secondly, there is a MASSIVE difference between pupils which are dilated due to poor light and those which are dilated due to drugs. A massive difference. Not only that, she says he looked like she had never seen him look before and like he was "tripping" - have YOU ever seen anyone who is tripping? It is easy to tell apart from someone who is just drunk, or who is just in a dark room lol. Your comment that Susan doesn't even know about basic human functions is laughable, naive and makes you look like the ignorant one.

Why do people have such a hard time accepting this story? Its not like Prince is being accused of being an habitual junky. Its a story of him trying a drug ONCE! What's so unbelievable about that? Given the industry he's been in, it makes it more unbelievable that he's actually only tried drugs once!

And, as I've said above - listen to Annastesia, it is completely about that experience and his resultant epiphany.

You can really tell who has experience with drugs/"drugs" and who does not in this thread. Prince ASKED for the ecstacy. Cat got it from Anthony Keidis of The Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ecstacy is NOT what they traquilize animals with, it's KETAMINE, called Special K on the street, and although I've never done X, I have tried K and I highly doubt the effects are at all similar. I HATED Special K, and would never recommend it to anybody. Like somebody earlier said, maybe Prince doesn't consider pot to be a "drug", which it isn't anymore than tobacco is, which it is.

In conclusion: It is what it is.

What it is...

[Edited 2/4/11 6:33am]

Dogsinthetrees said:

You can really tell who has experience with drugs/"drugs" and who does not in this thread. Prince ASKED for the ecstacy. Cat got it from Anthony Keidis of The Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ecstacy is NOT what they traquilize animals with, it's KETAMINE, called Special K on the street, and although I've never done X, I have tried K and I highly doubt the effects are at all similar. I HATED Special K, and would never recommend it to anybody. Like somebody earlier said, maybe Prince doesn't consider pot to be a "drug", which it isn't anymore than tobacco is, which it is.

In conclusion: It is what it is.

What it is...

[Edited 2/4/11 6:33am]

Yup - indeed!

mozfunky's "chemical enigineer" mate either needs to check his facts or mozfunky got a little confused!

Ecstacy (or rather MDMA) was first synthesized by the Germans before World War I, as they were looking for a chemical that would pacify their enemy. MDMA was then used substantially by psychologists and doctors as an anti-depressant and was regularly prescribed to people.

Of course, by the 1940s there was a general demonising of drugs by governments (incidentally, pretty much started by the US) and we have since seen more than 70 years of FAILED prohibition and the resultant build up of wealth by massive criminal organisations as a direct result of government ignorance. Cheers!

Ecstacy - or use of any other drug is so cool.

... NOT!

I have never takin any drugs, and never will.

Drugs leads to nothing good.

Despite what's written by Per Nilsen:

I am still in doubt Prince was taking ecstacy back then.

But on the other hand - Prince believes in Jehovah.

I have it hard to believe this as fact, too.

thedance said:

Ecstacy - or use of any other drug is so cool.

... NOT!

I have never takin any drugs, and never will.

Drugs leads to nothing good.

Despite what's written by Per Nilsen:

I am still in doubt Prince was taking ecstacy back then.

But on the other hand - Prince believes in Jehovah.

I have it hard to believe this as fact, too.

You're lying!

Firstly, you will have taken drugs at some point in your life. You will have taken painkillers, you will have drunk tea, coffee, or alcohol - you're just taking drugs that your government says are "ok"! (mind you, you live in Netherlands if I'm not mistaken, so you're government is actually a bit more lenient than others!).

Secondly, people who take drugs to be "cool" are stupid! There are many other reasons to take drugs and if they are POSITIVE reasons then lots of good can come from them. Taking drugs to escape the depression of poverty and such is not a good thing.

And, if you really believe that drug-taking leads to nothing good, then I'll leave Bill Hicks to answer that one for you;

"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal fucking high on drugs. The Beatles were so fucking high they let Ringo sing a few tunes."

Listen, if you don't want to take "illegal" drugs, that's fine - its a PERSONAL choice. Just don't start lecturing anyone else on how bad they are. For a start, you haven't taken them, so you DON'T KNOW!

People without experience don't know of which they speak.

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Mindflux said:

Dogsinthetrees said:

You can really tell who has experience with drugs/"drugs" and who does not in this thread. Prince ASKED for the ecstacy. Cat got it from Anthony Keidis of The Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ecstacy is NOT what they traquilize animals with, it's KETAMINE, called Special K on the street, and although I've never done X, I have tried K and I highly doubt the effects are at all similar. I HATED Special K, and would never recommend it to anybody. Like somebody earlier said, maybe Prince doesn't consider pot to be a "drug", which it isn't anymore than tobacco is, which it is.

In conclusion: It is what it is.

What it is...

[Edited 2/4/11 6:33am]

Yup - indeed!

mozfunky's "chemical enigineer" mate either needs to check his facts or mozfunky got a little confused!

Ecstacy (or rather MDMA) was first synthesized by the Germans before World War I, as they were looking for a chemical that would pacify their enemy. MDMA was then used substantially by psychologists and doctors as an anti-depressant and was regularly prescribed to people.

Of course, by the 1940s there was a general demonising of drugs by governments (incidentally, pretty much started by the US) and we have since seen more than 70 years of FAILED prohibition and the resultant build up of wealth by massive criminal organisations as a direct result of government ignorance. Cheers!

You´re right. Here´s a comprehensive list (in German, but you don´t necessarily have to understand German in order to understand the list). What´s being sold as "ecstasy" these days can be anything from amphetamine to MDMA, or a mix, or just plain old caffeine in high doses.

There´s even the infamous "Prince symbol" pill in that list, and it contains MDMA and MDE.

http://www.eve-rave.net/a...len_97.pdf

Mindflux said:

Dogsinthetrees said:

You can really tell who has experience with drugs/"drugs" and who does not in this thread. Prince ASKED for the ecstacy. Cat got it from Anthony Keidis of The Red Hot Chili Peppers. Ecstacy is NOT what they traquilize animals with, it's KETAMINE, called Special K on the street, and although I've never done X, I have tried K and I highly doubt the effects are at all similar. I HATED Special K, and would never recommend it to anybody. Like somebody earlier said, maybe Prince doesn't consider pot to be a "drug", which it isn't anymore than tobacco is, which it is.

In conclusion: It is what it is.

What it is...

[Edited 2/4/11 6:33am]

Yup - indeed!

mozfunky's "chemical enigineer" mate either needs to check his facts or mozfunky got a little confused!

Ecstacy (or rather MDMA) was first synthesized by the Germans before World War I, as they were looking for a chemical that would pacify their enemy. MDMA was then used substantially by psychologists and doctors as an anti-depressant and was regularly prescribed to people.

Of course, by the 1940s there was a general demonising of drugs by governments (incidentally, pretty much started by the US) and we have since seen more than 70 years of FAILED prohibition and the resultant build up of wealth by massive criminal organisations as a direct result of government ignorance. Cheers!

You guys are probably right, I wouldn't know. When I think of drugs, I think of the symbol of medicine, the two snakes around a pole which is a greek symbol meaning "what can cure can kill". Personally, I hate taking drugs even when I know I need them, I don't like being reliant on anything and I don't like putting them into my body. I guess I love myself too much or something, but I instinctively know that when I say take a codeine for a migraine it may get rid of the migraine but it isn't too good for my liver. But I don't get high and mighty about it, a drug can be anything, it can be the high you get being around someone, or work, or attention, none of it any different.

Mindflux said:

thedance said:

Ecstacy - or use of any other drug is so cool.

... NOT!

I have never takin any drugs, and never will.

Drugs leads to nothing good.

Despite what's written by Per Nilsen:

I am still in doubt Prince was taking ecstacy back then.

But on the other hand - Prince believes in Jehovah.

I have it hard to believe this as fact, too.

You're lying!

Firstly, you will have taken drugs at some point in your life. You will have taken painkillers, you will have drunk tea, coffee, or alcohol - you're just taking drugs that your government says are "ok"! (mind you, you live in Netherlands if I'm not mistaken, so you're government is actually a bit more lenient than others!).

Secondly, people who take drugs to be "cool" are stupid! There are many other reasons to take drugs and if they are POSITIVE reasons then lots of good can come from them. Taking drugs to escape the depression of poverty and such is not a good thing.

And, if you really believe that drug-taking leads to nothing good, then I'll leave Bill Hicks to answer that one for you;

"You see, I think drugs have done some good things for us. I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor. Go home tonight. Take all your albums, all your tapes and all your CDs and burn them. 'Cause you know what, the musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years were rrreal fucking high on drugs. The Beatles were so fucking high they let Ringo sing a few tunes."

Listen, if you don't want to take "illegal" drugs, that's fine - its a PERSONAL choice. Just don't start lecturing anyone else on how bad they are. For a start, you haven't taken them, so you DON'T KNOW!

No man, I mean, it's a choice but I've seen too many musicians end up ruined because of drugs. The stuff is more bad than good. I'm sure some good music came out of it but it usually ain't worth the price. Just think of all the talent we lost.