purplemookiebut said:

the mj managers and ppl are jealous prince is gonna do a tour and is in the news. lets ride prince' coattails

Its not that case especially when MJ even in death still destroying your favorite

It was interesting to see a prince symbol on an mj album.....they respected eachother

thedance said:

I think this thread should be locked now, most of us don't need the heated discussions about MJ.

Mars and the Mod team: feel free to lock this now...

those who likes to continue those discussions can do so in the MJ sticky....

Much to Sony for removing the Prince symbol from the new MJ album.... I really hope that is the case.

Let this be the end of discussions here in Prince : Music & More....

Why are you constantly telling people what to do? is there something wrong with you? Maybe they should make you a mod. You've obviously got the credentials.

Bohemian67 said:

Paedofiles don't just molest selectively, it's a sickness where everyone is prey. Why did other kids spend time with MJ and were never touched?

Not every peodophile molests every kid they see. If they did, they'd be caught a lot sooner. Court documents or not, that's just a silly defense.

Didn't have a childhood, blah blah.

So every person who grew up in the spotlight should have license to sleep in the same bed with children who aren't theirs?

I still can't grasp why people want to play up a child molesting drug addict as some sort of wide-eyed innocent Christ figure.

But to each his own.

Sham-on! Sham-on! EE-hee!

Why are people hating on Michael for something he had absolutely nothing to do with? I thought people had more common sense than that. I know with the re-birth of Michael's popularity brings undue jealousy from committed haters, but did everyone forget that this guy is no longer alive?! Damn, he must be good to have people obsessing about him even in death! He wasn't even hear to approve the album cover let alone the entire album. You honestly think Michael would even care about some Prince symbol? Have you noticed anything Prince-related on any of Michael's album covers while he WAS alive?

It's all a product of decisions made by businessmen who clearly don't a rat's ass for Michael OR Prince. There's no "Michael's camp." It's Sony. So if you want to send some negative energy and post clear evidence of your jealousy, please grab a pair of balls and write a note to the record label. That has more integrity and respect than stirring up some childish, fictional comments on some forum.

Marrk said:

Mars23 said:

All this speculation is just that; meaningless speculation. Clearly this artist does not understand MJ. There is a winged naked baby on the cover and Michael is not molesting it. Symbol or not, the cover is not accurate.

Wow.

That's just a horrible, baiting comment from a moderator at that. Utterly disgraceful.

I know..right? talking about abusing the power.....

dead @ prince fans being upset about the prince symbol being on the cover.....mockery.

NouveauDance said:

Bohemian67 said:

Paedofiles don't just molest selectively, it's a sickness where everyone is prey. Why did other kids spend time with MJ and were never touched?

I'm not saying Michael's thoughts on the matter were normal. MJ's problem was that he himself was an absolute child. But that's also psychologically understandable because he never had a childhood.

This thread will just get locked if we continue this line of discussion. But I want to say that I believe this is incorrect - paedophiles can be selective, they don't just walk around slobbering and drooling over every minor they see - they find certain qualities, traits and types attractive just like anyone.

And the "poor Michael never had a childhood, he was a sweet child trapped inside a man's body" is just tired old B.S. of an excuse I'm sorry. We know that abusers usually have a history as a victim of abuse themselves - so let's not give MJ a (literal) get of jail free card on that one just because he was rich and made a few great pop songs.

I replied before seeing your quote, but yes. 100% yes.

Back on topic, having a Prince symbol on a Michael CD makes no sense to begin with.

Prince probably didn't want to be associated with a drug addicted child molester and sent a cease and desist letter.

Either that, or he didn't want to be associated with a drug addicted child molester without receiving compen$ation for it.

seeingvoices12 said:

purplemookiebut said:

the mj managers and ppl are jealous prince is gonna do a tour and is in the news. lets ride prince' coattails

Its not that case especially when MJ even in death still destroying your favorite

It was interesting to see a prince symbol on an mj album.....they respected eachother

Shoulda left it on. Something with on might've had a chance of selling a few copies for once.

Marrk said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Its not that case especially when MJ even in death still destroying your favorite

It was interesting to see a prince symbol on an mj album.....they respected eachother

Shoulda left it on. Something with on might've had a chance of selling a few copies for once.

Marrk said:

thedance said:

I think this thread should be locked now, most of us don't need the heated discussions about MJ.

Mars and the Mod team: feel free to lock this now...

those who likes to continue those discussions can do so in the MJ sticky....

Much to Sony for removing the Prince symbol from the new MJ album.... I really hope that is the case.

Let this be the end of discussions here in Prince : Music & More....

Why are you constantly telling people what to do? is there something wrong with you? Maybe they should make you a mod. You've obviously got the credentials.

^ Only becuz I was the thread starter, and I think this has gone off topic... don't you?

thedance said:

Marrk said:

Why are you constantly telling people what to do? is there something wrong with you? Maybe they should make you a mod. You've obviously got the credentials.

^ Only becuz I was the thread starter, and I think this has gone off topic... don't you?

I think you'll find i started the original thread on this particular subject, but it was locked early doors.

As this should've been.

^ I think the reason why this thread wasn't locked to begin with could be it includes Prince's camp answer to the whole thing - the copyrights infringement, the mis-use of the symbol, which is relevant here in the Prince : Music & More forum.

Your thread was about the new MJ album and maybe more relevant in the MJ sticky..... therefor locked right away.

just guessing, but isn't it so....?

thedance said:

^ I think the reason why this thread wasn't locked to begin with could be it includes Prince's camp answer to the whole thing - the copyrights infringement, the mis-use of the symbol, which is relevant here in the Prince : Music & More forum.

Your thread was about the new MJ album and maybe more relevant in the MJ sticky..... therefor locked right away.

just guessing, but isn't it so....?

No it wasn't about the album, it was entitled 'Prince makes it onto new MJ album'. The discussion was about the symbol appearance itself. I understand why it was locked, but if it was left, it would've evolved better than this one has.

I've always believed the intelligence of the OP determines the quality of the thread.

^ whatever.... Marrk, I have no comments to the reply about intelligence.

I love Prince's music, and I love the 3 big albums from MJ....... OTW, Thriller & Bad.

that's the reason to me, to be here in the first place.

I understand why threads get locked - cuz the subject Prince/ MJ always (often) turns sour.

right?

Mars23 said:

Rorywan said:

Mars23 said: That's pretty disgraceful talk from a mod. I don't really give a ---- one way or another about this MJ album or the prince symbol, but that's just plain juvenile and idiotic coming from someone who is supposed to set a standard of behaviour on a forum like this. Not impressed Mars, not impressed. Not funny, not clever, just ill informed.

That's just how I feel. Being a mod does not mean I must be devoid of an opinion.

I love Michael Jackson's music and I hate that when I hear it, I have to think about what kind of a person he was. This album is a blatant cash grab and the cover is just more bullshit elevating of a jacked up guy to god like status.

To put Prince's symbol in there was bullshit when if the artist was being honest he could have used an image of a plastic surgon, or a contract to buy some children, or a courtroom, or any of the other jacked up things that were "important in his life"

Not going to apologize for how I feel. I apologize that that could have derailed the thread and I'm glad it didn't, but the use of the symbol on that cover pissed me off and those are the thoughts it brought up.

Childish? Maybe, but all I can say is I would expect the same to be said about me if I had fucked up some children's lives and someone painted a picture of me being crowned by cherubs. If that ever happens, please be the first to post that.

I've read some pretty ridiculous comments on the org, and this one is up there with the most ridiculous of them. I'm not a hardcore MJ fan, but jesus, this is kind of beyond the pale and rife with utter bullshit. A contract to buy some children? Another clear sign of just how mundane the org has become.

I think the use of the symbol on the cover was quite cool; he obviously respected Prince.

thedance said:

^ whatever.... Marrk, I have no comments to the reply about intelligence.

I love Prince's music, and I love the 3 big albums from MJ....... OTW, Thriller & Bad.

that's the reason to me, to be here in the first place.

I understand why threads get locked - cuz the subject Prince/ MJ always (often) turns sour.

right?

Lighten up dude. That's why you got a

No, they get locked cause people have a stick up their ass when it comes to MJ and are incapable of discussing him in a civil, adult manner. Simple as that.

But it's a shame he can't be discussed as a peer of Prince's back in the day. I could start a Prince/Springsteen/Madonna thread and it wouldn't get an auto lock. Frankly, I find it ridiculous.

There's no reason a Prince symbol should be anywhere near an MJ album unless there is a collaboration or a Prince song represented on the album.

By all accounts, they were not "friends" but were friendly acquaintances who the media pitted against each other.

What's most obvious to me is how the Jackson 5/Jacksons are relegated to mere silhouettes (and small silhouettes at that) over Michael's shoulder. Hell, the butterfly ON his shoulder gets more real estate than all 5 brothers that he performed with.

Se7en said:

There's no reason a Prince symbol should be anywhere near an MJ album unless there is a collaboration or a Prince song represented on the album.

By all accounts, they were not "friends" but were friendly acquaintances who the media pitted against each other.

What's most obvious to me is how the Jackson 5/Jacksons are relegated to mere silhouettes (and small silhouettes at that) over Michael's shoulder. Hell, the butterfly ON his shoulder gets more real estate than all 5 brothers that he performed with.

It's a gatefold cover, we're only seeing the middle section. The J5 stuff will be to the left.

Marrk said:

Se7en said:

There's no reason a Prince symbol should be anywhere near an MJ album unless there is a collaboration or a Prince song represented on the album.

By all accounts, they were not "friends" but were friendly acquaintances who the media pitted against each other.

What's most obvious to me is how the Jackson 5/Jacksons are relegated to mere silhouettes (and small silhouettes at that) over Michael's shoulder. Hell, the butterfly ON his shoulder gets more real estate than all 5 brothers that he performed with.

It's a gatefold cover, we're only seeing the middle section. The J5 stuff will be to the left.

If that's true then I'm curious to see it.

unkleg said:

Whatever your views on MJ, it's a bit odd to produce an album sleeve with the imagery related to another artist on. Doesn't that detract from MJ's own achievements?

This isn't a Sgt Pepper style sleeve, it's an amalgam of images of MJ through the years. Prince's symbol doesn't really have a place on that cover, so it's right they've removed it.

its equally odd to name you son Prince... when you are Michael Jackson

I'm never going to let that go people because its downright weird that he would do it for no other reason than completed adoration of his Royal Badness

I have been saying it all along

Are the MJ boards having as much fun with this?

QuasarOfRock said:

NouveauDance said:

This thread will just get locked if we continue this line of discussion. But I want to say that I believe this is incorrect - paedophiles can be selective, they don't just walk around slobbering and drooling over every minor they see - they find certain qualities, traits and types attractive just like anyone.

And the "poor Michael never had a childhood, he was a sweet child trapped inside a man's body" is just tired old B.S. of an excuse I'm sorry. We know that abusers usually have a history as a victim of abuse themselves - so let's not give MJ a (literal) get of jail free card on that one just because he was rich and made a few great pop songs.

I replied before seeing your quote, but yes. 100% yes.

Back on topic, having a Prince symbol on a Michael CD makes no sense to begin with.

Prince probably didn't want to be associated with a drug addicted child molester and sent a cease and desist letter.

Either that, or he didn't want to be associated with a drug addicted child molester without receiving compen$ation for it.

/yawn

Give it up, bro.

Alexandernvrmind said:

Are the MJ boards having as much fun with this?

Yes, I would like to know this too.

dalsh327 said:

I did see a thread regarding all things MJ, and this was only relevant to the album cover and symbol. The topic about what MJ did or didn't do should be discussed on there. This is just about artwork that was done in tribute to Jackson and he threw the symbol in there.

I don't see the point in discussing the accusations from 15 years ago regarding this.

All I know is per Pee Wee Herman, Michael kept saying "Prince is mean" over and over (although I never knew Prince and La Toya dated until I read that) , Michael wanted to work with Prince, but at that time, Prince felt it was better to avoid working with him and getting any possible "guilt by association" from it. Keep in mind that Michael wanted to go on Howard Stern because he saw the crowds Stern drew from his book signing, but wanted his crew to take to the streets saying MJ is innocent... they had the meeting in Dolly Parton's apartment, so I can only imagine how surreal this had to have been for Howard!. Diane Sawyer wound up getting the interview.

This is just about his work, and what Sony is planning on putting out.

But if you've read the updates, now they're saying that it might not even be Michael singing those songs.

But I always wondered if there was ever talk of Janet and Prince working together, or he did and didn't take credit for it...

I too wondered abut a Janet and Prince connection and found it odd that she seemed to never mention Prince. I think I can recall her talking about Prince 3 times. In a SNL clip on the "Prince Show" and before she became famous she talked about seeing Prince live with her mother. The third thing I can remember before he musical success and she signed to work with Jimmy and Terry she said her dad didn't want her sounding like Prince because he was so dirty. Of course she did anyhow.... lol

Alexandernvrmind said:

unkleg said:

Whatever your views on MJ, it's a bit odd to produce an album sleeve with the imagery related to another artist on. Doesn't that detract from MJ's own achievements?

This isn't a Sgt Pepper style sleeve, it's an amalgam of images of MJ through the years. Prince's symbol doesn't really have a place on that cover, so it's right they've removed it.

its equally odd to name you son Prince... when you are Michael Jackson

I'm never going to let that go people because its downright weird that he would do it for no other reason than completed adoration of his Royal Badness

I have been saying it all along

Are the MJ boards having as much fun with this?

- If your grandfather is named Prince like Michael's father was, it makes sense

-Plus if your moniker is "The King of Pop"........

-Most fans on boards just shrugged it off or thought it was kinda cool

Marrk said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Its not that case especially when MJ even in death still destroying your favorite

Shoulda left it on. Something with on might've had a chance of selling a few copies for once.

QuasarOfRock said:

Bohemian67 said:

Paedofiles don't just molest selectively, it's a sickness where everyone is prey. Why did other kids spend time with MJ and were never touched?

Not every peodophile molests every kid they see. If they did, they'd be caught a lot sooner. Court documents or not, that's just a silly defense.

Didn't have a childhood, blah blah.

So every person who grew up in the spotlight should have license to sleep in the same bed with children who aren't theirs?

I still can't grasp why people want to play up a child molesting drug addict as some sort of wide-eyed innocent Christ figure.

But to each his own.

Sham-on! Sham-on! EE-hee!

Oh my GAWD...the shit that people write on here is is fucking ridiculous.

KidaDynamite said:

QuasarOfRock said:

Not every peodophile molests every kid they see. If they did, they'd be caught a lot sooner. Court documents or not, that's just a silly defense.

Didn't have a childhood, blah blah.

So every person who grew up in the spotlight should have license to sleep in the same bed with children who aren't theirs?

I still can't grasp why people want to play up a child molesting drug addict as some sort of wide-eyed innocent Christ figure.

But to each his own.

Sham-on! Sham-on! EE-hee!

Oh my GAWD...the shit that people write on here is is fucking ridiculous.

Ain't it though? It gets more and more laughable every time Michael is mentioned on this side of this site. The absurdity is endless over here.

Argh just read they pulled it

Couldnt you guys keep it to yourselves till AFTER it hit shelves.. boo.. now we cant own the recalled SUPER RARE EDITION

The internet ruins everything!

thedance said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

Are the MJ boards having as much fun with this?

Yes, I would like to know this too.

Some thought it was interesting/confusing. Most of them don't care, others could care less. I can say for certain that they were definitely civilized about it, unlike here.

SOOPER said:

Argh just read they pulled it

Couldnt you guys keep it to yourselves till AFTER it hit shelves.. boo.. now we cant own the recalled SUPER RARE EDITION

The internet ruins everything!

It's prince fans who don't want it

seeingvoices12 said:

SOOPER said:

Argh just read they pulled it

Couldnt you guys keep it to yourselves till AFTER it hit shelves.. boo.. now we cant own the recalled SUPER RARE EDITION

The internet ruins everything!

It's prince fans who don't want it

Well Prince actually. I'm sure the artist included it with respect but if he doesn't want it too bad.