robinhood said:

it would be great if we could focus on all the positive things but i also suspect that prince receives the fanbase he deserves.

Having said that, I'll add that we ALL receive what we 'deserve' whether we like it or not. Meanwhile trying to place blame and cry like little children not getting our way doesn't change a single thing. Trust what is happening and do the best that U can.

I honestly don't care what U or anyone says, Prince has given more people a positive experience than U or I ever will. We all have faults so go right ahead and try to pin all your problems on Prince. Most likely the faults U see with him, lie within yourself. I know from experience, trust me, we only need to take care of our own character defects. That's why we're here, not to judge others but to improve our own understanding and way of life. IMO

I think the irony is that it is Prince who has accepted himself and that is why the music seems less magical to many. Prince wasn't just genius because of musical experimentation but he was also on a journey, full of anger , love, curiosity and it was a joy to behold. It informed everything he did in my opinion. Prince is nolonger searching, which for him is great news, An audience always prefers a tortured artist but it ain't so great for the artist

colorblu said:

I honestly don't care what U or anyone says, Prince has given more people a positive experience than U or I ever will. We all have faults so go right ahead and try to pin all your problems on Prince. Most likely the faults U see with him, lie within yourself.

safe to say his faults are his faults and his fanbase is entitled to voice as much disappointment as they like whether anyone like it or not.

it cant be controlled, and it certainly wont go away by judging them in his defence.

people are on their own journey and its not anyone's right to interfere with that by elevating prince as somehow superior to them simply because he has given people positive experiences.

we're all born equal, and who knows who there is among us that may have lots to give to the world?

in my opinion, the mirror works the other way around: prince has attracted the fanbase that directly reflects his personality and his art. he is the common denominator.

if he doesnt like it then he knows where to look and who to change

scififilmnerd said:

I think what many fans would have liked was for Prince to continually have reinvented himself and his music like he did in the 80´s and in 1993/94 and like Madonna has managed to keep doing for longer than he has. That means the exact opposite of us wanting him to do the same thing as he did in the past. We'd like to see him back at the head of the game, doing something new.

But, alas, Prince seems happy just doodling like Back In The Day, Ol' Skool style. That makes for a great party band playing nostalgic songs that we all remember from our childhood/youth, giving us That Ol' Feeling, but it's not new.

Amen. Stick it on the front page.

jaybendy said:

Even on his bad days P's musical output is 100000000 times better than most of the current music.

Absolute rubbish.

Once upon a time you could get away with that old adage, but it hasn't been even remotely true for YEARS.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

nosajd said:

kaine said: I`m w/ you here... Personally, I think if an artist I liked hadn`t released what I thought was a good album in over 5 years I would move on... case closed, they have lost the mojo that I loved so much... but not here. People have been hating on albums for 10 plus years putting down other orgers positive reviews of current output. It`s beyond me but it`s very much the case here. I also understand still liking an artist`s music of the past & not their current output, but to dedicate so much of your free time constantly hating seems like a very sad waste of time to me. I`m also all for a constructive critique/review, but they`re generally quite over the top here in terms of ripping stuff to shreads. For however much annoying negativity there is here there is also a wide abundancy of very helpful & very knowledgable folks, however disgruntled they may or not be.

I agree, I was a huge Bryan Adams and Aerosmith fan for a few years, but don't spend any time on their fanboards since I'm not much into the recent stuff. I may pop in and discuss an old ablum or something, but I definately don't waste time criticizing newer music. Life is so much more valuable than spending time being so negative. You can't be a happy person being so hateful right? Love is so much easier to give. I agree, I love knowledgeable people and appreciate all that I've learned about Prince that I didn't know, and until it get's nasty, the debates are fun. So there is good...

To be honest I think with prince it is more than just music. He fascinates as an individual. With Bryan Adams etc what would discuss realistically

robinhood said:

safe to say his faults are his faults and his fanbase is entitled to voice as much disappointment as they like whether anyone like it or not.

it cant be controlled, and it certainly wont go away by judging them in his defence.

people are on their own journey and its not anyone's right to interfere with that by elevating prince as somehow superior to them simply because he has given people positive experiences.

we're all born equal, and who knows who there is among us that may have lots to give to the world?

in my opinion, the mirror works the other way around: prince has attracted the fanbase that directly reflects his personality and his art. he is the common denominator.

if he doesnt like it then he knows where to look and who to change

There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, it isn't

necessary, or advantageous for any of us to speak evil of anyone ( even Prince)

But each to their own, I won't stand in your way...

kaine said:

I just find it funny that you read alot of cats on here complaing they haven't liked his output for over a decade, but they are still here. If you no longer love the music, move on. It will be ok.

Then they might miss whatever it is they've been waiting for for 10+ YEARS!!!

Well..Me as an individual i toatally agreee. I mean this seems ike the stage of his life when hes turning to religion.. A lot of people when their usuallly at this stage of life they turn to it..

Most of the disappointment comes from those wanting Prince to be/do the same thing he did in the 80's, during the celebrations-Friday night parties, while he was with Mayte, and much more.

It's exactly the contrary. Disappointment comes from the fact he used to be a progressive & inovative musician and now is (incredibly gifted but) conservative musician.

colorblu said:

robinhood said:

it cant be controlled, and it certainly wont go away by judging them in his defence.

people are on their own journey and its not anyone's right to interfere with that by elevating prince as somehow superior to them simply because he has given people positive experiences.

we're all born equal, and who knows who there is among us that may have lots to give to the world?

in my opinion, the mirror works the other way around: prince has attracted the fanbase that directly reflects his personality and his art. he is the common denominator.

if he doesnt like it then he knows where to look and who to change

There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, it isn't

necessary, or advantageous for any of us to speak evil of anyone ( even Prince)

But each to their own, I won't stand in your way...

assuming i'd speak evil of prince? depends on interpretation. some people just say what they feel with no intent to do harm.

but i'm glad we agree that everyone is entitled to their view, no matter how 'evil' or 'loving' as the case may be.

This thread is same old circularly shit.

People also have the problem of ..."if you love Prince..".

I don't love Prince. I

really love his music. At least much of his older output. Being critical or pointing out that you are disappointed is a note on someones current artistic output. It is not commentary on whether you LOVE them or not. Seems to me if you DO love someone you tell the truth rather than just being a "yes" person.

My biggest issue is that Prince has not grown outside of what he could do 15 years ago. I attribute it to his inability to work with others and the fact that he was so good early on. There are tons of people he can learn from- he may be musically brilliant- but everyone can learn and grow. The minute you think you're at the top of your artistic heap people are racing by you and leaving you in the dust. i think that is what happened to Prince. Ego got in the way of growth.

jaybendy said:

Even on his bad days P's musical output is 100000000 times better than most of the current music.

Nah, there's plenty of excellent music circulating everywhere (but in the charts).

I would say that even in Prince most dispensable songs there's (almost) always something (a gimmick, an arrangement, a guitar lick) worth, original... but a 5 seconds brilliance doesn't make a good song.

In his bad days Prince produces boring ballads he should never release.

robinhood said:

it would be great if we could focus on all the positive things but i also suspect that prince receives the fanbase he deserves.

So it's his fault the malcontents here are so negative?! HA! That's the funniest thing I've ever read. It is our responsibility as human beings to look for the positive AND be constructive in everything we do, even here on the Org. I will remind you Prince has never personally hurt any one person on here. Yeah, he hasn't been great at cancelling concerts(Dublin for example), or his website direction has been hit or miss, IMO. I, too, have purchased concert tickets only to have the venue changed or cancelled on the last day- travel plans in place, etc. But that is NO justification for the personal attacks and vitriol I see here everyday. And, by so called "fans" of his music...huh? With fans like that, who needs enemies right?

That doesn't mean you can't be constructive or dislike a song. But personally attacking him, calling him names, is just wrong and indicative only of the people that come here. I call myself a Prince fan, not because I visit prince.org, but because I love his music, and while coming to Org has it's merits, it hasn't added to my love of his or any artist's music in any way.

XNY said:

robinhood said:

it would be great if we could focus on all the positive things but i also suspect that prince receives the fanbase he deserves.

So it's his fault the malcontents here are so negative?! HA! That's the funniest thing I've ever read. It is our responsibility as human beings to look for the positive AND be constructive in everything we do, even here on the Org. I will remind you Prince has never personally hurt any one person on here. Yeah, he hasn't been great at cancelling concerts(Dublin for example), or his website direction has been hit or miss, IMO. I, too, have purchased concert tickets only to have the venue changed or cancelled on the last day- travel plans in place, etc. But that is NO justification for the personal attacks and vitriol I see here everyday. And, by so called "fans" of his music...huh? With fans like that, who needs enemies right?

That doesn't mean you can't be constructive or dislike a song. But personally attacking him, calling him names, is just wrong and indicative only of the people that come here. I call myself a Prince fan, not because I visit prince.org, but because I love his music, and while coming to Org has it's merits, it hasn't added to my love of his or any artist's music in any way.

sure, i agree that no one has to resort to that kind of behavior, but if they do, it is their right to do it, if they want to.

if you dont agree with it, then you dont have to partake in it.

my comment is paraphrasing something prince once said himself:

"every artist gets the audience they deserve"

i agree with him 100%

robinhood said:

assuming i'd speak evil of prince? depends on interpretation. some people just say what they feel with no intent to do harm.

but i'm glad we agree that everyone is entitled to their view, no matter how 'evil' or 'loving' as the case may be.

The only 'evil' I was only speaking of are the bad raps Prince gets here constantly. I don't know if it's what's keeping him from a US tour or a party at Paisley but it's too bad.

Of all the 'real' bad stuff going on in the world, the last thing that I would guess that would help any of us is to put down any another person, esp Prince. I didn't mean to let all the negativity get to me and I don't think U r 'evil' robinhood

his fine the way he is. dudes in his 50's what more do u xpect

colorblu said:

robinhood said:

assuming i'd speak evil of prince? depends on interpretation. some people just say what they feel with no intent to do harm.

but i'm glad we agree that everyone is entitled to their view, no matter how 'evil' or 'loving' as the case may be.

The only 'evil' I was only speaking of are the bad raps Prince gets here constantly. I don't know if it's what's keeping him from a US tour or a party at Paisley but it's too bad.

Of all the 'real' bad stuff going on in the world, the last thing that I would guess that would help any of us is to put down any another person, esp Prince. I didn't mean to let all the negativity get to me and I don't think U r 'evil' robinhood

i understand. it might help if you try to tune into what 'all the negativity' really is.

people get frustrated, they have an idea in their head of what they think prince is or what they want him to be

and when reality doesnt match the expectation then of course people are going to voice their point of view.

sometimes they have very good reason for being negative about prince because of things prince actually does and says that they simply dont agree with

and i think its important for everyone to feel free to voice what they think.

for me its more about respecting everyone's right to express themselves however they want.

after all, this is something prince has demonstrated himself through his entire career, not holding back and callin it how you see it and having the balls to lay it on the line.

there's no real reason for any of us to feel the need to defend prince too greatly imo. he's a big boy and i'm sure he's heard it all before and then some,

and while i do agree that hostile ridicule is unhealthy, its real important to let it be and if you dont like the negative vibes, then counteract it with something loving.

light does not fight darkness, it simply occupies the space where darkness used to dwell.

in the face of negative assault, take positive action in a different direction without attacking anyone for their views.

robinhood said:

XNY said:

So it's his fault the malcontents here are so negative?! HA! That's the funniest thing I've ever read. It is our responsibility as human beings to look for the positive AND be constructive in everything we do, even here on the Org. I will remind you Prince has never personally hurt any one person on here. Yeah, he hasn't been great at cancelling concerts(Dublin for example), or his website direction has been hit or miss, IMO. I, too, have purchased concert tickets only to have the venue changed or cancelled on the last day- travel plans in place, etc. But that is NO justification for the personal attacks and vitriol I see here everyday. And, by so called "fans" of his music...huh? With fans like that, who needs enemies right?

That doesn't mean you can't be constructive or dislike a song. But personally attacking him, calling him names, is just wrong and indicative only of the people that come here. I call myself a Prince fan, not because I visit prince.org, but because I love his music, and while coming to Org has it's merits, it hasn't added to my love of his or any artist's music in any way.

sure, i agree that no one has to resort to that kind of behavior, but if they do, it is their right to do it, if they want to.

if you dont agree with it, then you dont have to partake in it.

my comment is paraphrasing something prince once said himself:

"every artist gets the audience they deserve"

i agree with him 100%

I remember when he said that.

mayrain said:

robinhood said:

sure, i agree that no one has to resort to that kind of behavior, but if they do, it is their right to do it, if they want to.

if you dont agree with it, then you dont have to partake in it.

my comment is paraphrasing something prince once said himself:

"every artist gets the audience they deserve"

i agree with him 100%

I remember when he said that.

I do, too. And Marc David Chapman was a fan of John Lennon. Being a fan of someone doesn't justify ripping an artist like Prince or anyone else for that matter. Sure, everyone has the right to do that - just like I have a right to beat off into my roommate's open mouth while he's sleeping but it only says something about that person- (or me) , not the artist(my roommate).

XNY said:

mayrain said:

I remember when he said that.

I do, too. And Marc David Chapman was a fan of John Lennon. Being a fan of someone doesn't justify ripping an artist like Prince or anyone else for that matter. Sure, everyone has the right to do that - just like I have a right to beat off into my roommate's open mouth while he's sleeping but it only says something about that person- (or me) , not the artist(my roommate).

part of life (or death) as a public figure. a self-chosen position in society, to be famous, as prince chose, as a musician.

i'm not sayin people arent responsible for their own actions, of course they are, and of course there are instances where many lines are crossed, but in my view, this is not a one way street.

ask any understandably jaded prince fan what they think prince deserves, for apprenty deceiving people with the lotusflower site, for example, or for the numerous times he has threatened and harassed his fan base, or some of his musical colleagues over the years who claim to have been mistreated by him, or lets ask Charlene Friend.

better still, lets ask prince what he thinks of himself.

NouveauDance said:

jaybendy said:

Even on his bad days P's musical output is 100000000 times better than most of the current music.

Absolute rubbish.

Once upon a time you could get away with that old adage, but it hasn't been even remotely true for YEARS.

I kinda didn't believe it when I typed it either. I was just trying to be nice, support the brother a little. He's getting bashed left and right on the org, I was trying to be objective.

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This website has very little to do w/ P and alot to do w/ a group of people who have found each other (yikes) myself included(although some of these posters find out stuff quicker than I would). Nobody and nothing will ever be the same, but the glitch to getting money from people for a sevice is that some folx cant leave the ish at that. Take it from a old school hustler I still got people asking me about a bag from 85'. I can still get you high but it wont be like that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrxlfvI17oY

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[Edited 10/2/10 19:22pm]

"After reading a few threads in which fans/orgers express their disappointments, I came to the conclusion some people don't give Prince the opportunity or natural stage of life to change and be who he wants to be. Don't we all get to learn from our mistakes, develop our tastes, explore new horizons, meet inspiring people, date whoever we'd never imagine he would....

Most of the disappointment comes from those wanting Prince to be/do the same thing he did in the 80's, during the celebrations-Friday night parties, while he was with Mayte, and much more.

Shouldn't people who claim they love him for him accept him for who he is/wants to be and go with that?"

I agree with this completely! He's a human being, a true fan would understand that and just listen to what they enjoy instead of expecting so much of him and claiming that he's terrible now.

DMSRdove said:

"After reading a few threads in which fans/orgers express their disappointments, I came to the conclusion some people don't give Prince the opportunity or natural stage of life to change and be who he wants to be. Don't we all get to learn from our mistakes, develop our tastes, explore new horizons, meet inspiring people, date whoever we'd never imagine he would....

Most of the disappointment comes from those wanting Prince to be/do the same thing he did in the 80's, during the celebrations-Friday night parties, while he was with Mayte, and much more.

Shouldn't people who claim they love him for him accept him for who he is/wants to be and go with that?"

I agree with this completely! He's a human being, a true fan would understand that and just listen to what they enjoy instead of expecting so much of him and claiming that he's terrible now.

I couldn't agree more. I fell in love with his music and talent because of 1999 and Purple Rain. Now some almost 30 years later I don't expect him to be doing movies or US only tours- or SOTT the sequel. He has evolved into the artist he is today because of the chances he's taken and yes, the mistakes he's made. As a person, brother, and dad- I have too.

And yeah I miss the paisley parties, the celebrations, Glam Slam, the massive tours...but so what. That was then (I had the time of my life during those shows), but this is now. He has the right to be the man and artist he is, not what we expect of him.