WaterInYourBath said:

babynoz said:

The jury was the people you counted minus the court personnel...the only error was including them. Jury duty is never a happy task, but thank you for your service.

I treated this like a poll since I wasn't sure of the roles, lol. But that's alright....I'm sure someone from the prosecution will make an appeal around here sooner or later.

Well, the defense lawyers, whoever you are, lol, can celebrate for now because of a technicality. ....

Nooo, don't give 'em any ideas...

If that happens, Princey may have to testify on his own behalf and sing the lyrics from Eye Hate U,

"Your honor, may I call 2 the stand, my one and only witness...a girl who know damn well, she didn't have no damn business"

NouveauDance said:

Spinlight said:

Prince can liken himself to Ike Turner all he wants. Ike Turner was, amongst many things, a talented man whose troubles surmounted his creativity and his business savvy - thus ruining not only his music career, but his marriages. Do we, as fans with a bit of insight into Prince, consider him of the same troubled calibre? Maybe. He's spiritually conflicted, to say the least, but whether or not his spiritual eccentricities owe to his malformed vision of slavery and CONtracts is - i guess - interpreted by the reader. Thus, some people will excuse him for his outlandish claims and take them as gospel because... Why? He's black and has been repeatedly shunned from the music industry either by the companies themselves or the music buying public (who just doesn't want his current music)?

Prince was given multiple opportunities to rule the music industry with an iron fist and every single time he was given this opportunity, he squandered it in greed, naivete, and professional onanism. He could not bear the burden of really contributing to artists under his control because his ego and his deranged sense of entitlement is extremely off-putting. Humility is something decades-lost on Prince. It is because of this arrogance that has many people have succumbed to the Bizarro World Midas Touch (aka, when he touches their career, it dies). It is also because of this that he has suffered so much in the music industry.

Exec after exec has come forward, producers, engineers, agents, bandmembers, dancers, and other people attached to his entourage at one time or another have all said the same thing. Prince is a genius when it comes to crafting songs, but he is willfully negligent when it comes to his own career and the interests of those he employs, much less his posterity or his dreadfully loyal fanbase.

Stop giving him excuses to rely on. His assertion that Yes Men are toxic is laughable at best. In fact, he has surrounded himself with nothing but Yes Men for the better part of 20 years now and it has slowly eroded his legacy. He will, eventually (if not already) dissipate into the annals of rock history as a genius-gone-wrong who had the world in his hands for a good 10 years and proceeded to pluck the petals away one by one until there was nothing left but his own distorted kingdom of sand.

You can praise him for his humble status at the moment all you want. He isn't humble, though. His spirituality is vanity. His studies of history and henceforth his retelling of it is ironic and hollow. For someone who recites black history like a copy editor at News of the World, he certainly raked in the cash hand over fist while those White Men Who Enslaved Him bent over backwards to accommodate his greedy demands and outlandish threats.

All the while, in his house he lays dreaming of being a paragon of black enterprise as his back catalog rots in antiquity. A fresh, rejuvenated SOTT? Never. A deluxe edition of LoveSexy? Not on his watch. Without his superfluous and insipid remixes and remakes of his torch songs, Prince will have nothing to do with those albums... That is, unless he can entice you to go to his concerts (which become more and more vaudeville as the years go by), by saying this is the last time he will perform them. Or he will hum, plink on the piano, or strum a few bars of a song that is entirely incongruous with his current "religion" just so the hair on your arms stand up in anticipation before chugging into a full version of "Pass the Peas" or "The Christ".... Barf.

Thanks for the interview with Ebony, P. No, really. We needed another dissertation on black poverty and how black people are/were/will be/can be/should be/would be from the mouth of someone who can give away a half assed album for free with a newspaper and still make 2 million dollars while the US government forecloses on the houses of artists like T-Boz (you know, your favorite band, right?) and others.

Physician, heal thyself.

Fucking hell, can we have this framed?!

This is definitely frame worthy and send a copy to Prince...he might appreciate it since he doesn't like the yes-sayers...Spinlight is so not on the yes-sayer list:-D

skoolteecher said:

errant said:

I thought that was the funniest part of the interview too...and let's not forget the yes-women... every woman who comes in close contact with Prince is being "princeified" on the spot...she has to look somewhat like Vanity or at least be young and beautiful and dye her long hair black, become a Jehova's witness and a vegan and has to attempt to sing and dance and Prince doesn't care if the women has no brain or talent at all...he will still try to sell her. What a 52 year old man will do to keep the illusion alive to be forever young and relevant.

babynoz said:

WaterInYourBath said:

I treated this like a poll since I wasn't sure of the roles, lol. But that's alright....I'm sure someone from the prosecution will make an appeal around here sooner or later.

Well, the defense lawyers, whoever you are, lol, can celebrate for now because of a technicality. ....

Nooo, don't give 'em any ideas...

If that happens, Princey may have to testify on his own behalf and sing the lyrics from Eye Hate U,

"Your honor, may I call 2 the stand, my one and only witness...a girl who know damn well, she didn't have no damn business"

Deadflow3r said:

Evvy said:

I was thinking that his answers were going over folks head- and that perhaps he was speaking from a spiritual standpoint. I think I will go look for the article to confirm this.

Oh please, anyone who has a descent amount of Jehovah Witness literature KNOWS that Witnesses don't believe in dating. They believe in courtship and that is ONLY with someone you truly think you have a strong possibility of marrying. Prince has kept Bria on the backburner for a long time and by now they should have either married or called it quits. But hell he like the way she getS him hot, he likes it when she shakes every thing she's got, he likes it when she dances cause it's so sexy ..... so he may not be marrying her but he ain' t putting her back on the market either. The guy is a musical genius, but Jesus-like he most deffinately is NOT.

He said his personal life was on the back burner and he mentioned he was a bachelor. He's not marrying Bria, but Im sure she will keep coming here on the org to update us all on when they are out together. I wonder if it is really worth it, she cant be a happy girl.

GoldenParachute said:

Deadflow3r said:

Oh please, anyone who has a descent amount of Jehovah Witness literature KNOWS that Witnesses don't believe in dating. They believe in courtship and that is ONLY with someone you truly think you have a strong possibility of marrying. Prince has kept Bria on the backburner for a long time and by now they should have either married or called it quits. But hell he like the way she getS him hot, he likes it when she shakes every thing she's got, he likes it when she dances cause it's so sexy ..... so he may not be marrying her but he ain' t putting her back on the market either. The guy is a musical genius, but Jesus-like he most deffinately is NOT.

He said his personal life was on the back burner and he mentioned he was a bachelor. He's not marrying Bria, but Im sure she will keep coming here on the org to update us all on when they are out together. I wonder if it is really worth it, she cant be a happy girl.

He must be comitted to Bria...look how long she's been around...she would be back on the market dating someone else and not waste her time with old Prince...there must be some kind of pay-off for her to stick around...maybe he is just scared to marry her because his first two marriages tanked...they're a couple...he introduced her as his girl-friend.

Well, I read it. Ebony should be ashamed of itself. That was so far removed from journalism, it's a shame.

If anything, they should bill Prince for pr/marketing services.

GoldenParachute said:

Deadflow3r said:

Oh please, anyone who has a descent amount of Jehovah Witness literature KNOWS that Witnesses don't believe in dating. They believe in courtship and that is ONLY with someone you truly think you have a strong possibility of marrying. Prince has kept Bria on the backburner for a long time and by now they should have either married or called it quits. But hell he like the way she getS him hot, he likes it when she shakes every thing she's got, he likes it when she dances cause it's so sexy ..... so he may not be marrying her but he ain' t putting her back on the market either. The guy is a musical genius, but Jesus-like he most deffinately is NOT.

He said his personal life was on the back burner and he mentioned he was a bachelor. He's not marrying Bria, but Im sure she will keep coming here on the org to update us all on when they are out together. I wonder if it is really worth it, she cant be a happy girl.

Evvy, I agree. I felt that when I first read the answer to the question. It was very clear when he said in the last two sentences... "God 's way is best." "No longer should we build houses and not occupy them. Self-interest is always on the "back burner" if you believe in God. He is allowing God to guide him....It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out especially if you are in the slightest bit studying the Word of God. I have a good foundation in God's Word that's why I was able to readily pick that up.

somethin tells me he wont find the 'one' as long as ms valente is around..

4bjb said:

GoldenParachute said:

He said his personal life was on the back burner and he mentioned he was a bachelor. He's not marrying Bria, but Im sure she will keep coming here on the org to update us all on when they are out together. I wonder if it is really worth it, she cant be a happy girl.

Evvy, I agree. I felt that when I first read the answer to the question. It was very clear when he said in the last two sentences... "God 's way is best." "No longer should we build houses and not occupy them. Self-interest is always on the "back burner" if you believe in God. He is allowing God to guide him....It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out especially if you are in the slightest bit studying the Word of God. I have a good foundation in God's Word that's why I was able to readily pick that up.

you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out when someone is avoiding truly answering the question given. Shoot even a child knows when your blowing their question off. I think it's not about our Heavenly Fathers Word at all. More like the word of a good lawyer helping him avoid a third divorce.

ThreadBare said:

Well, I read it. Ebony should be ashamed of itself. That was so far removed from journalism, it's a shame.

If anything, they should bill Prince for pr/marketing services.

This is true. Fortunately there were other great articles in that issue that I would not have read had Prince not been on the cover. So maybe it's a bit of Bait and Switch? You don't get a great Prince interview but a great B.B. King one, an article on coal miners families etc. Had any of those people been on the cover would the mag sell aswlell as it did with Prince on the cover?

Thought the interview was cool.

Two thumbs up for Ebony even gettin a chance to do it

nice magazine as usual

Deadflow3r said:

ThreadBare said:

Well, I read it. Ebony should be ashamed of itself. That was so far removed from journalism, it's a shame.

If anything, they should bill Prince for pr/marketing services.

This is true. Fortunately there were other great articles in that issue that I would not have read had Prince not been on the cover. So maybe it's a bit of Bait and Switch? You don't get a great Prince interview but a great B.B. King one, an article on coal miners families etc. Had any of those people been on the cover would the mag sell aswlell as it did with Prince on the cover?

Bait and switch, indeed.

maybe your summation is correct, and if it were, i can understand the negative viewpoint you've taken, but maybe prince was never meant to fit into the 'ideals' of this world, or the 'ideals' of the music industry.

maybe he was meant to be something and someone you may never understand, regardless, his contribution to music is phenomenal.

Prince lived his life the way he wanted to, right or wrong, he demonstrated the power of his own self-will, which so many seem to lack these days.

a little compassion for his current quasi-schizophrenic state-of-mind wouldnt go astray either.

it aint easy being Prince.

Spinlight said:

Prince can liken himself to Ike Turner all he wants. Ike Turner was, amongst many things, a talented man whose troubles surmounted his creativity and his business savvy - thus ruining not only his music career, but his marriages. Do we, as fans with a bit of insight into Prince, consider him of the same troubled calibre? Maybe. He's spiritually conflicted, to say the least, but whether or not his spiritual eccentricities owe to his malformed vision of slavery and CONtracts is - i guess - interpreted by the reader. Thus, some people will excuse him for his outlandish claims and take them as gospel because... Why? He's black and has been repeatedly shunned from the music industry either by the companies themselves or the music buying public (who just doesn't want his current music)?

Prince was given multiple opportunities to rule the music industry with an iron fist and every single time he was given this opportunity, he squandered it in greed, naivete, and professional onanism. He could not bear the burden of really contributing to artists under his control because his ego and his deranged sense of entitlement is extremely off-putting. Humility is something decades-lost on Prince. It is because of this arrogance that has many people have succumbed to the Bizarro World Midas Touch (aka, when he touches their career, it dies). It is also because of this that he has suffered so much in the music industry.

Exec after exec has come forward, producers, engineers, agents, bandmembers, dancers, and other people attached to his entourage at one time or another have all said the same thing. Prince is a genius when it comes to crafting songs, but he is willfully negligent when it comes to his own career and the interests of those he employs, much less his posterity or his dreadfully loyal fanbase.

Stop giving him excuses to rely on. His assertion that Yes Men are toxic is laughable at best. In fact, he has surrounded himself with nothing but Yes Men for the better part of 20 years now and it has slowly eroded his legacy. He will, eventually (if not already) dissipate into the annals of rock history as a genius-gone-wrong who had the world in his hands for a good 10 years and proceeded to pluck the petals away one by one until there was nothing left but his own distorted kingdom of sand.

You can praise him for his humble status at the moment all you want. He isn't humble, though. His spirituality is vanity. His studies of history and henceforth his retelling of it is ironic and hollow. For someone who recites black history like a copy editor at News of the World, he certainly raked in the cash hand over fist while those White Men Who Enslaved Him bent over backwards to accommodate his greedy demands and outlandish threats.

All the while, in his house he lays dreaming of being a paragon of black enterprise as his back catalog rots in antiquity. A fresh, rejuvenated SOTT? Never. A deluxe edition of LoveSexy? Not on his watch. Without his superfluous and insipid remixes and remakes of his torch songs, Prince will have nothing to do with those albums... That is, unless he can entice you to go to his concerts (which become more and more vaudeville as the years go by), by saying this is the last time he will perform them. Or he will hum, plink on the piano, or strum a few bars of a song that is entirely incongruous with his current "religion" just so the hair on your arms stand up in anticipation before chugging into a full version of "Pass the Peas" or "The Christ".... Barf.

Thanks for the interview with Ebony, P. No, really. We needed another dissertation on black poverty and how black people are/were/will be/can be/should be/would be from the mouth of someone who can give away a half assed album for free with a newspaper and still make 2 million dollars while the US government forecloses on the houses of artists like T-Boz (you know, your favorite band, right?) and others.

Physician, heal thyself.

robinhood said:

Acting my age leans more towards keeping the idea of masterbating in the shower to myself and behind closed doors where it belongs...

Acting my age also respects a man that has a "girlfriend."

If anyone would like to have a panel of Christian experts gathered on this topic and meet in my home where "My" Church is...

Let us gather:

Ed Young

Larry & Tina

Carman

Jan Crouch

Creflo & Taffi

Prince

Bria

Sheila

and Myslelf

To discuss the principles behind the "Elixer," album.

I'm not playing anymore "Headgames!"

Prince may have some good points about history, but I am not sure about his view of his own place in history or his view that the record industry somehow used him.

Prince is not an unknhown blues artist dying broke, not little richard taking a back seat to Elvis. He is a rich superstar who has lived with greater freedom than most of the the execs who own his masters due in no small part to a CONtract with Warner Brothers.

I tried 2 buy this mag in the grocery store last week,but my sis insisted that I put it back,since she's giving it 2 me as part of my birthday gift.

motherfunka said:

errant said:

That's been a sticking point with me for years and makes his entire campaign to make WB look evil look ridiculous. That last contract he signed with WB in the early 90's was MASSIVE. They even made him a VP as a vanity title. And instead of negotiating control over his catalog, he took the money and ran. It wasn't until after he'd blown that enormous check on bullshit like Carmen Electra and dozens of videos that wouldn't be released (hell, even some of the songs didn't get released), that he THEN starts pissing and moaning about how evil WB were and how important it was to own your masters and how he's their slave. Meanwhile, at the same time Prince was blowing through that wad of cash he asked for, big name acts like REM, Metallica, U2 and others, were taking pay cuts on new contracts for those exact same rights to their older work.

I guess that's what you get for firing your manager, agent, and lawyers right before contract negotiations and you've only got your eyes on one thing: $$$$$$$$$.

He didn't exactly get the reported $100 mil up front. He had to sell so many albums to get any $. The symbol album was the first to be released under the new contract and it did not do that well, so I'm assuming he didn't get that much $ from WB and that's what started the war.

How does that really change anything I said? They dangled a carrot in front of him and he grabbed for it, instead of what was at the other end of the stick. He didn't start worrying about the stick until much later after the fact when he'd already blown the paycheck and the rest of it didn't materialize.

sexxydancer said:

I tried 2 buy this mag in the grocery store last week,but my sis insisted that I put it back,since she's giving it 2 me as part of my birthday gift.

oh no dont get it as birthday gift

i dont want your birthday to be ruined just kidding

thats sweet

Tame said:

Acting my age leans more towards keeping the idea of masterbating in the shower to myself and behind closed doors where it belongs...

Acting my age also respects a man that has a "girlfriend."

If anyone would like to have a panel of Christian experts gathered on this topic and meet in my home where "My" Church is...

Let us gather:

Ed Young

Larry & Tina

Carman

Jan Crouch

Creflo & Taffi

Prince

Bria

Sheila

and Myslelf

To discuss the principles behind the "Elixer," album.

I'm not playing anymore "Headgames!"

maybe Jehovah already knows whats goin on.

maybe Jehovah cant be fooled.

PaisleyRose said:

PaisleyRose said: How can the "one" take her seat at the table when Prince always has it filled? Maybe Jehovah is keeping her away fom him for her own good (protecting her from her own desires).

i dont know about any of that, maybe Prince doesnt really care about the whole soulmate concept anymore, fair to say his actions have spoken far louder than any words. he might be more than satisfied with instant gratification.

robinhood said:

PaisleyRose said:

robinhood said:

i dont know about any of that, maybe Prince doesnt reall care about the whole soulmate concept anymore, fair to say his actions have spoken far louder than any words. he might be more than satisfied with instant gratification.

You might be correct

maybe. but dont sweat it. he'll be fine when he wises up.

PaisleyRose said:

NDRU said:

He is a rich superstar who has lived with greater freedom than most of the the execs who own his masters due in no small part to a CONtract with Warner Brothers.

imo, the more money and fame he ammassed, the less free he became.

he cant leave the house whenever he likes without it becoming an organized zoological event, for example.

big rich superstars appear to have more freedom, but do they really?

maybe they're all slaves to a far greater machine than you or i, or record execs.

Prince isn't even free to do what he likes in his own bedroom without everyone knowing about it at some point.

way i see it, excessive fame plus wealth is a prison of it's own peculiar kind, and something which record execs may never experience or comprehend.

at least they can come and go as they please without having to enlist security guards and protocols for everyone to follow.

maybe lots of fame and money doesnt necessarily equate with freedom, but quite the opposite.

he's been musically free for a while, although some might even argue that, and say too much money and fame has ruined his music.

"too much fame causes spiritual decay" < i think thats one of his own lyrics.

robinhood said:

NDRU said:

He is a rich superstar who has lived with greater freedom than most of the the execs who own his masters due in no small part to a CONtract with Warner Brothers.

imo, the more money and fame he ammassed, the less free he became.

he cant leave the house whenever he likes without it becoming an organized zoological event, for example.

big rich superstars appear to have more freedom, but do they really?

maybe they're all slaves to a far greater machine than you or i, or record execs.

Prince isn't even free to do what he likes in his own bedroom without everyone knowing about it at some point.

way i see it, excessive fame plus wealth is a prison of it's own peculiar kind, and something which record execs may never experience or comprehend.

at least they can come and go as they please without having to enlist security guards and protocols for everyone to follow.

maybe lots of fame and money doesnt necessarily equate with freedom, but quite the opposite.

he's been musically free for a while, although some might even argue that, and say too much money and fame has ruined his music.

"too much fame causes spiritual decay" < i think thats one of his own lyrics.

well.. he got himself into that position. i dont see why he cant get himself out

if he really didnt want to be rich and famous anymore he could make it happen

he knew what it took to be a superstar and he knew he had what it took to become one

yeah its lonely at that top but it can be just as lonely at the bottom

2elijah said:

Just a quick synopsis:(EDITED)

Well, he pretty much spoke about his faith. He gave his opinion on the music industry and black artists. Some may not like what he stated though, but it is his opinon.

He stated Ike Turner was one of his first influences.

When the interviewer asks him about why he chose to stay in Minneapolis, he comments how Minneapolis is healthy, and a quiet lifestyle.

He does mention being around "Yes" people is a "nonproductive environment" and held more value in people who prefer to tell him the truth.

The Ebony interviewers/guests at Paisley, said Tavis Smiley was the one responsible for getting them an interview/photoshoot with Prince. Tavis was present at Paisley Park when the Ebony guests were there. As well as Larry Graham and his wife Tina, Bria, Shelby, Liz, Elisa and Prince.

They ate dinner, then later Prince and Bria, Shelby, Elisa, Liz performed for the Ebony staff. Then Prince invited Larry to perform as well.

Prince gave his views on the music industry heads and their longtime ownership of black music which he feels should be done away with. From what I got from his statement, it is apparent he sees the music industry today as a monopoly; he feels with the landscape of this country changing, that the industry needs to get back to localized music distribution.

He expresses that because the world is moving towards globalization, that art should be out of the hands of the gatekeepers whose views of black culture is "monochromatic, because he feels "we" (referencing black culture) come in all colors and that it should be seen that way globally. He goes on to mention that "we" (blacks) were and still are a "very beautiful people" and also "industrious". I think that should answer anyone's questions regarding Prince's race, just by reading that part of the interview as he refers to blacks or black culture, using the term "we" during the Q&A.

He questions the interviewer if they ever heard of the Harlem Renaissance and Black Wall Street, and states that it is more about equality and freedom than skin color,and that "Diversity in Ownership" should be basically be demanded from America's current administration.

I believe his mentioning "Harlem Renaissance and "Black wall Street" was to give the interviewer an idea of the time when many Blacks had their own wealth and how independent they were as well as, having ownership and control of their own businesses.

[Edited 6/11/10 16:04pm]

That was a pretty good summary. I like. I think as Prince ages, he has started to come to terms with who he really is. Good to see him showing it. I wholeheartedly agree with what he says about the gatekeepers of music. If I were a paranoid person, I'd think there was a global conspiracy to allow crappy violent non insiprational non artistic mess on the airways. I mean really...what has happened to our music? Particularly black music? Even "contemporary" music has taken it's blows. It sucks. He's on to something there.