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Thread started 05/07/10 2:29pm

nursev

Judas Smile

What a cool ass song headbang Listening to it now "The Chocolate Invasion Starts Here" music I really like it-never really paid attention to it before eek What's the story behind the song/title?
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Reply #1 posted 05/07/10 2:33pm

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If I'm not mistaken there are two versions of this song ...
Peace ... & Stay Funky ...

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Reply #2 posted 05/07/10 2:33pm

nursev

PurpleLove7 said:

If I'm not mistaken there are two versions of this song ...



shocked Must get the other version lol
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Reply #3 posted 05/07/10 2:37pm

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PurpleLove7 said:

If I'm not mistaken there are two versions of this song ...


No there were 2 titles "Judas Smile" and "Judas Kiss" but they are both the same song. Great underrated song though!
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Reply #4 posted 05/07/10 2:41pm

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PurpleLove7 said:

If I'm not mistaken there are two versions of this song ...


No there were 2 titles "Judas Smile" and "Judas Kiss" but they are both the same song. Great underrated song though!

Correct, just two titles. The versions of the songs are identical.
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Reply #5 posted 05/07/10 4:36pm

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Yeah, one of my favs from that era. Angry Prince with a point to prove always makes for some nasty funk cool. The bass kicks, classic MPLS synths, really frantic jam.
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Reply #6 posted 05/07/10 4:39pm

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"Judas Smile" is a fast one-chord funk number, sporting a busy, stuttering rhythm track that Prince recycled for use on High. The verses and chorus of the song are sung over the same basic theme. A bubbling synth sound runs persistently throughout. The song changes direction halfway through, going into a punchier vamp, with slapped bass and chanted group vocal. The sound resembles many High tracks, including a thin snare drum sound, and a rubbery, plastic-sounding bass drum, indicating that it is a post-Rave recording from 2000 or the latter part of 1999. Considering the group vocal, it is possible that it was intended for Peace, the projected NPG album, along with "2045: Radical Man" and "Peace". The track was originally posted as "Judas Kiss". The first part of the lyric finds Prince bitterly criticizing an ex-lover for trying to "put [him] down". He feels that she has taken advantage of him; he gave her love but only received a "Judas smile" in return. Each chorus opens with the phrase, "You've been bamboozled", making this a more likely candidate for the title of the song, rather than "Judas Smile", which is mentioned only once. The "Bamboozled" phrase also indicates that the song could have been written with Spike Lee's Bamboozled film in mind. Interestingly, the lyric is laced with autobiographical details, including the line, "I changed your name, it didn't suit ya, I did the same for a little while". The song could be about several of Prince's protégés, including Mayte and Carmen Electra with lines like "I gave you love, led to revenue" and "like you being funky, it will never be". The second part of the lyric is more vague and seems to address the music industry and its poor treatment of African-American artists. Prince is "comin' with the old school", proclaiming "the chocolate invasion starts here". He gives props to Common, Curtis (most likely Curtis Mayfield), Maceo (Parker) and Erykah Badu.


CHORUS:
U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
If U thought that U could put me down
And not get a page in my book
U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
Tryin' 2 ball, U will fall
And never get a second look

Before me there was nothing
Without the eye U cannot see
Just a form in the darkness
I brought the light and U believed
With everyone of my creations
A future story would be told (Change it up)
I tried 2 change it up with temptation (With temptation)
But all your claims must be sold (Walk away with soul, soul)

4 every soul there's a buyer (There's a buyer)
4 every action there's a price (How much U pay for that, dude?)
4 every option there's a tryer
But when the claim run out, ain't nothing nice
That's why...

CHORUS

I changed your name, it didn't suit ya
I did the same 4 a little while (The same 4 a little while)
The day your love led 2 revenue (Talkin' about the money)
In return a Judas smile (Hahaha, U gave me)
What I am will never fade away
Like U being funky — it'll never be
Woo hoo, (What I am) What I am U will finally see (U will see)
Then U will admit 2 4 part harmony

CHORUS
(Hoodwinked)
(Ah, come on)

1979 times 2 or maybe a bit 'fo that
Me, your sister and yo' brother got paid when the man let 'em up 2 bat
Whaddya do, do U act like a fool and wonder why your people disown ya?
Sang any song Mr. Charlie wanna sang, see around here we don't know ya

They'd have 2 take me out (Okay)
4 treating B like a B if she ain't one
And if she is it's no good like a rat in the hood
We gonna give her a Bible and then some
Come on! (Uh)

The chocolate invasion starts here {x3}

The chocolate invasion
Neapolitan born 2 rule
I never was fond of a dumb blonde
That can't swim in the carpool
Your secret's out da box, B.
'Less U 'fess up 2 what U stole
Here's what we think — U're the weakest link
Get ready 'cause we coming with the old school (Old school)
Old school (Old school) {x2}
Come on, come on — give it 2 me, baby
(That's music, baby)
(Keep doin' it)

Ahh Mr. Aussieman what makes ya think I'll work 4 U?
Paying 15 cents on the dollar
Those are the wages of a fool, nigga
Pinocchio mentality on levels more than 9
From now on the only piece U'll ever get from me's my mind

Chocolate invasion starts here
Chocolate invasion starts here (Ahh)
The chocolate invasion starts here {x2}

Now wait a minute
How dare U call a robot 'Mecca'?
I knew that smack was jive
Step right up 2 the minstrel show
Starts in about 5 minutes
Confess these shuffling punks (Yeah)
Everyone claiming no sin
Act the fool if U wanna
Guess the quickest way out (Tell 'em) is the way in

(Bamboozled) U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
If U thought that U could put me down
With a song that got no hook (Oh no)
The chocolate invasion starts here
No matter your color U're still my brother
If U've got no fear — uh!
The chocolate invasion starts here
U still our sister although we missed ya
Come wipe away your tears

Peace 2 Common, (D'Angelo, Macy Gray, Lenny Kravitz)
2 brother Curtis — big love
Maceo (Larry Graham, Patti Labelle)
Erykah Badu

The chocolate invasion starts here
Chocolate invasion starts here
The chocolate invasion starts here {x2}
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Reply #7 posted 05/07/10 4:50pm

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ernestsewell said:

"Judas Smile" is a fast one-chord funk number, sporting a busy, stuttering rhythm track that Prince recycled for use on High. The verses and chorus of the song are sung over the same basic theme. A bubbling synth sound runs persistently throughout. The song changes direction halfway through, going into a punchier vamp, with slapped bass and chanted group vocal. The sound resembles many High tracks, including a thin snare drum sound, and a rubbery, plastic-sounding bass drum, indicating that it is a post-Rave recording from 2000 or the latter part of 1999. Considering the group vocal, it is possible that it was intended for Peace, the projected NPG album, along with "2045: Radical Man" and "Peace". The track was originally posted as "Judas Kiss". The first part of the lyric finds Prince bitterly criticizing an ex-lover for trying to "put [him] down". He feels that she has taken advantage of him; he gave her love but only received a "Judas smile" in return. Each chorus opens with the phrase, "You've been bamboozled", making this a more likely candidate for the title of the song, rather than "Judas Smile", which is mentioned only once. The "Bamboozled" phrase also indicates that the song could have been written with Spike Lee's Bamboozled film in mind. Interestingly, the lyric is laced with autobiographical details, including the line, "I changed your name, it didn't suit ya, I did the same for a little while". The song could be about several of Prince's protégés, including Mayte and Carmen Electra with lines like "I gave you love, led to revenue" and "like you being funky, it will never be". The second part of the lyric is more vague and seems to address the music industry and its poor treatment of African-American artists. Prince is "comin' with the old school", proclaiming "the chocolate invasion starts here". He gives props to Common, Curtis (most likely Curtis Mayfield), Maceo (Parker) and Erykah Badu.


CHORUS:
U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
If U thought that U could put me down
And not get a page in my book
U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
Tryin' 2 ball, U will fall
And never get a second look

Before me there was nothing
Without the eye U cannot see
Just a form in the darkness
I brought the light and U believed
With everyone of my creations
A future story would be told (Change it up)
I tried 2 change it up with temptation (With temptation)
But all your claims must be sold (Walk away with soul, soul)

4 every soul there's a buyer (There's a buyer)
4 every action there's a price (How much U pay for that, dude?)
4 every option there's a tryer
But when the claim run out, ain't nothing nice
That's why...

CHORUS

I changed your name, it didn't suit ya
I did the same 4 a little while (The same 4 a little while)
The day your love led 2 revenue (Talkin' about the money)
In return a Judas smile (Hahaha, U gave me)
What I am will never fade away
Like U being funky — it'll never be
Woo hoo, (What I am) What I am U will finally see (U will see)
Then U will admit 2 4 part harmony

CHORUS
(Hoodwinked)
(Ah, come on)

1979 times 2 or maybe a bit 'fo that
Me, your sister and yo' brother got paid when the man let 'em up 2 bat
Whaddya do, do U act like a fool and wonder why your people disown ya?
Sang any song Mr. Charlie wanna sang, see around here we don't know ya

They'd have 2 take me out (Okay)
4 treating B like a B if she ain't one
And if she is it's no good like a rat in the hood
We gonna give her a Bible and then some
Come on! (Uh)

The chocolate invasion starts here {x3}

The chocolate invasion
Neapolitan born 2 rule
I never was fond of a dumb blonde
That can't swim in the carpool
Your secret's out da box, B.
'Less U 'fess up 2 what U stole
Here's what we think — U're the weakest link
Get ready 'cause we coming with the old school (Old school)
Old school (Old school) {x2}
Come on, come on — give it 2 me, baby
(That's music, baby)
(Keep doin' it)

Ahh Mr. Aussieman what makes ya think I'll work 4 U?
Paying 15 cents on the dollar
Those are the wages of a fool, nigga
Pinocchio mentality on levels more than 9
From now on the only piece U'll ever get from me's my mind

Chocolate invasion starts here
Chocolate invasion starts here (Ahh)
The chocolate invasion starts here {x2}

Now wait a minute
How dare U call a robot 'Mecca'?
I knew that smack was jive
Step right up 2 the minstrel show
Starts in about 5 minutes
Confess these shuffling punks (Yeah)
Everyone claiming no sin
Act the fool if U wanna
Guess the quickest way out (Tell 'em) is the way in

(Bamboozled) U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
If U thought that U could put me down
With a song that got no hook (Oh no)
The chocolate invasion starts here
No matter your color U're still my brother
If U've got no fear — uh!
The chocolate invasion starts here
U still our sister although we missed ya
Come wipe away your tears

Peace 2 Common, (D'Angelo, Macy Gray, Lenny Kravitz)
2 brother Curtis — big love
Maceo (Larry Graham, Patti Labelle)
Erykah Badu

The chocolate invasion starts here
Chocolate invasion starts here
The chocolate invasion starts here {x2}

Freaky!!! eek there i am listening to The Chocolate Invasion, i check out this thread (Bingo) lyrics smile
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Reply #8 posted 05/07/10 5:26pm

nursev

Joyinrepatition said:

ernestsewell said:



CHORUS:
U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
If U thought that U could put me down
And not get a page in my book
U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
Tryin' 2 ball, U will fall
And never get a second look

Before me there was nothing
Without the eye U cannot see
Just a form in the darkness
I brought the light and U believed
With everyone of my creations
A future story would be told (Change it up)
I tried 2 change it up with temptation (With temptation)
But all your claims must be sold (Walk away with soul, soul)

4 every soul there's a buyer (There's a buyer)
4 every action there's a price (How much U pay for that, dude?)
4 every option there's a tryer
But when the claim run out, ain't nothing nice
That's why...

CHORUS

I changed your name, it didn't suit ya
I did the same 4 a little while (The same 4 a little while)
The day your love led 2 revenue (Talkin' about the money)
In return a Judas smile (Hahaha, U gave me)
What I am will never fade away
Like U being funky — it'll never be
Woo hoo, (What I am) What I am U will finally see (U will see)
Then U will admit 2 4 part harmony

CHORUS
(Hoodwinked)
(Ah, come on)

1979 times 2 or maybe a bit 'fo that
Me, your sister and yo' brother got paid when the man let 'em up 2 bat
Whaddya do, do U act like a fool and wonder why your people disown ya?
Sang any song Mr. Charlie wanna sang, see around here we don't know ya

They'd have 2 take me out (Okay)
4 treating B like a B if she ain't one
And if she is it's no good like a rat in the hood
We gonna give her a Bible and then some
Come on! (Uh)

The chocolate invasion starts here {x3}

The chocolate invasion
Neapolitan born 2 rule
I never was fond of a dumb blonde
That can't swim in the carpool
Your secret's out da box, B.
'Less U 'fess up 2 what U stole
Here's what we think — U're the weakest link
Get ready 'cause we coming with the old school (Old school)
Old school (Old school) {x2}
Come on, come on — give it 2 me, baby
(That's music, baby)
(Keep doin' it)

Ahh Mr. Aussieman what makes ya think I'll work 4 U?
Paying 15 cents on the dollar
Those are the wages of a fool, nigga
Pinocchio mentality on levels more than 9
From now on the only piece U'll ever get from me's my mind

Chocolate invasion starts here
Chocolate invasion starts here (Ahh)
The chocolate invasion starts here {x2}

Now wait a minute
How dare U call a robot 'Mecca'?
I knew that smack was jive
Step right up 2 the minstrel show
Starts in about 5 minutes
Confess these shuffling punks (Yeah)
Everyone claiming no sin
Act the fool if U wanna
Guess the quickest way out (Tell 'em) is the way in

(Bamboozled) U been bamboozled, hoodwinked, took
If U thought that U could put me down
With a song that got no hook (Oh no)
The chocolate invasion starts here
No matter your color U're still my brother
If U've got no fear — uh!
The chocolate invasion starts here
U still our sister although we missed ya
Come wipe away your tears

Peace 2 Common, (D'Angelo, Macy Gray, Lenny Kravitz)
2 brother Curtis — big love
Maceo (Larry Graham, Patti Labelle)
Erykah Badu

The chocolate invasion starts here
Chocolate invasion starts here
The chocolate invasion starts here {x2}

Freaky!!! eek there i am listening to The Chocolate Invasion, i check out this thread (Bingo) lyrics smile



Freaky! giggle It's a Prince thang lol
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Reply #9 posted 05/07/10 5:59pm

Joyinrepatitio
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Seeing as were on a vibe, is anyone loving the The Art Of Musicology vid??.."Remember this from Highschool?".....I absolutely love it razz
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Reply #10 posted 05/07/10 6:01pm

CHRISLUV92

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super cute & underneith the cream.... cool
aka ChristinaS
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Reply #11 posted 05/07/10 6:10pm

Joyinrepatitio
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OK...just admit it...we just love Prince's music.. cool cool cool
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Reply #12 posted 05/07/10 6:46pm

Elle85n09

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Guilty as charged. wink
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Reply #13 posted 05/07/10 8:03pm

nursev

CHRISLUV92 said:

super cute & underneith the cream.... cool



nod Love em
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Reply #14 posted 05/07/10 8:04pm

nursev

Joyinrepatition said:

OK...just admit it...we just love Prince's music.. cool cool cool



Okay...You got me giggle
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Reply #15 posted 05/12/10 1:48pm

PurpleLove7

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ernestsewell said:

Mindbells9 said:



No there were 2 titles "Judas Smile" and "Judas Kiss" but they are both the same song. Great underrated song though!

Correct, just two titles. The versions of the songs are identical.


Thanks ...
Peace ... & Stay Funky ...

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Reply #16 posted 05/12/10 1:52pm

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nursev said:

What a cool ass song headbang Listening to it now "The Chocolate Invasion Starts Here" music I really like it-never really paid attention to it before eek What's the story behind the song/title?



Great song NurseV!

Thanks for the smile and I played the song based on your post.

cool
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Reply #17 posted 05/12/10 1:53pm

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Cool little track, gets lost because of all the other NPGMC SHIT it's tucked away with.
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Reply #18 posted 05/12/10 3:16pm

nursev

TikiColadas said:

nursev said:

What a cool ass song headbang Listening to it now "The Chocolate Invasion Starts Here" music I really like it-never really paid attention to it before eek What's the story behind the song/title?



Great song NurseV!

Thanks for the smile and I played the song based on your post.

cool



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Reply #19 posted 05/12/10 3:17pm

nursev

NouveauDance said:

Cool little track, gets lost because of all the other NPGMC SHIT it's tucked away with.



It really did get lost cuz I've over looked it for awhile, but a nice song.
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