Tame said:

I read them. So what? What did these guys say that is worse than some of the other stuff said on this site? They did not attack you. They said what they said against Prince, which is allowed here, like it or not. Flaming is not allowed, which is what you did. You spend so much time defending someone who couldn't give two strokes and a pump about you.

JulesWindu said:

No offense, but he is becoming more and more old fashioned and fuddy duddy as he ages. I suppose this is the way it is when one ages. But if I want a sermon, I'll go to church. I think it's finally the case that I've outgrown being a fan of Prince.

*Note: DO NOT start telling me to leave the site, because the org is where I still get the latest news about everything else besides.

Tame said:

If I flamed you, Tame you would know it. I have not called you out your name but you have called me a bimbo.

and you haven't seen me mean.

saafiir said:

Like it's been said to us, nothing is forcing you guys to stay.

JulesWindu said:

I don't recall writing that that line in particular put me off the song, but rather that you had as good a guess as any with your interpretation of the line.



Right from the get go with the guitar line that sounds like a rock/funk version of the Deliverance banjo to the moronic, corny squared "Yeahs," I knew it was a disaster in highly polished form, I didn't need to get to any daft god lyrics to confirm it. I agree it's not an overtly religious song as say, Lion of Judah, but I could even deal with the lyrics of Lion of Judah or Cause and Effect if there was something interesting going on musically.



Definitely seems to be a theme with the guy.



As I already stated, his personal beliefs are his business. And while his intelligence and curiosity are severely lacking, I still have respect for his very singular talent. It's just a shame he seems to have misplaced it for the past two decades.

I don't respect only those artists who think just like I do but I certainly don't appreciate artists who present didactic preaching as art either. And when it's someone who is a genuine talent, then it turns into tragedy.
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Tame said:

i have no idea why you consider me responsible for you getting banned. perhaps it was your nasty comments to gays that did that?

and i can post what i please to threads and i'm here because i damn well can be. i do contribute to conversations in this forum and have for a long time.please stop attempting to discredit me. it's not nice.

Let's keep it real up in here. Not a single orger minded all of Princes religious songs (God, The Cross, Wish U Heaven, No et al.) back in the day because he also had nasty profane tracks (Erotic City, Bob George, Irresistible Bitch) to counter them. Prince has always been religious and it wasn't an issue for many on here until he stopped cursing and singing about sex on every other track so blatantly. The mild religious tone of 'Cause & Effect' is just that... MILD.

It's kind of funny looking back at the Lovesexy Tour when Prince asked us "Do U believe" how many were straight up lying when they screamed "".
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principles b4 personalities ..

Let's get back on topic.

The song is shit. It's just awful. So lightweight in style and content. I used to think Prince was just bored or uninspired but after the last few terrible albums and now this track I feel sure he's really digging his own stuff and just doesn't know a good tune from a bad one anymore. I've stopped wanting and wishing to like Prince's new music. It can only get worse, so my attention turns instead to other current artists who are simply much better than the Prince of this millennium. The man just isn't any good anymore.

There's always the old stuff though. It just means he's not relevant now as a current artist so I think of him more as I do great artists like Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, and Pink Floyd, i.e. dead, far from their best, or not performing anymore.

HonestMan13 said:

When an artist speaks about his religious beliefs it tends to cause a lot of controversy. Because everybody has different religious beliefs and some sorry to say don't have any and don't believe in God or a higher power. A lot of people on this site are not all there and have mental issues and they use Prince songs to take out there emotional problems on him. When its not really about him its about there unhappiness within themselves.

I realize it bothers a lot of people on this thread and site period that Prince has found inner happiness in his religion and doesn't really need them to feel happy. So they can't wait to attack him and tear him and his songs apart. Its very sad. I'm sure Prince knows this that is why he preaches it in his songs now and moves on....PRINCE IS HAPPY NOW AND IT SHOWS. SO GET OVER IT PEOPLE AND STOP ATTACKING HIM...PLEASE!. He is going to do what he wants anyway.

Fauxie said:

Good idea. Everyone fill in the blank.

HonestMan13 said:

I think this type of thought, along with the "You people just want him to go back to (Insert 80's album)", is the biggest misconception on the beloved org.

As if people were sitting around grumbling about the preaching in The Cross but then reminded themselves there were 'swear words' in Erotic City so all's forgiven.

There was great music over the top of the lyrics, be they sacred or profane in nature, and it's always been the music that made Prince worth listening to. The Cross is nothing more than a trite piece of devotional poetry that could have been written by a 15 year old, but the druggy, rock music building to a sublime climax and then releasing is what makes the song a classic. I had no interest in joining him declare God is Love and Love is God in '88 but I did enjoy listening to him solo with the precision and force of a prize fighter each time he played The Cross or any other ridiculous pseudo-Christian song of the era.

I frankly could care less if the man doesn't use profanity in his lyrics--they've always been disposable and I'd argue that at 50-whatever singing about fucking the taste out of someone's mouth would sound more than a little ridiculous--but when the music suddenly matches the Christian Pop sound of the lyrics, then you're in trouble.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

You're saying anybody who criticizes Prince and/or his music does so because of their own unhappiness? That's absurd.

Wall said:

Spot-on.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

this post is just absolute bullshit,

Fauxie said:

Exactly. My favorite Prince songs have zero profanity and I am a believer in God and Jesus Christ.

Nice to hear something new but it's not earth shattering.

As a much earlier post stated it has a bit of a "lolita" feel to it but not as catchy to my ears.

I am sure it will grow after a few more listens.

On the positive it's good to know there is new stuff coming (assuming this is a new track and not a cast off).

On the negative I would have hoped it premiered on lotusflow3r.com first, lol.

Swa

hmmmm, still have to get used to this one

It's also worth noting in regards to the 'you people just want him to swear again,' argument, what really made Prince such an appealing figure outside of his innovation in the studio was that he was an outsider's outsider--it wasn't because he was overtly vulgar, it was because he was individual amidst a sea of fabricated pop stars. In this sense, he had something in common with The Smiths and Morrissey. And like The Beatles, ultimately, he spoke of universal love and acceptance. He did it his way as much as Sinatra and with eye-liner and RudeBoy pins to boot. Prince was what the American conservative party wishes they could be again: a big tent. Now, much like the conservatives, it's a tent which seems to be open only to those who share his limited dogmatic world view and the music, like the host, is getting stuffy, plastic and predictable.
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I seriously wish there was a sister forum called "IhatePrince.org" so this one would remain for kinder more interesting type of exchanges. The amount of vitriol/entitlement/sarcasm that people have in their hearts to share amazes me.

Just an absolute lack of recognition of a human being who has given his entire existence over to the pursuit of artistry. Even if you like none of his music, that lifelong pursuit alone would color the way one reflects about his work. I certainly feel such consideration for all the people I call true artists.

There is something at stake in the way they express themselves; therefore "failure" is part of their work, and that's how it should be. They're not the conventional industry puppet out to get rich and famous. There is dedication and emotion in their work. I respect that. Who cares if the occasional song is not for me? I just move on. I'm interested in dissecting what works, not in pretending that I could outBeatle The Beatles. Let's prove our genius in our own music and let everybody else do the same.

i took another listen...still not feeling it.
i consider myself to be a loyal prince fan,
but i'm looking for something else...something
inspirational, not arrogance.

with that b'ing said, i'll probably be jamming
to this for the rest of the week

not bad.i would like to here some of his piano based tunes, not slow jams, but songs on the lines of mountains, songs with a more melodic impact. he needs to b on the keys more,seems he has put them down and gone straight rocker.thats cool 2 its his music.but it would b nice to get some songs .enough rock 4 now.

I love this song! Lotsa cool Prince-ish parts to it. Face melts during the last 2 minutes

tomato said:

Seeing as Ben has no problem with the way people express their feelings about Prince and since this has been going on since the purple and black days, you guys are shit out of luck. You all could go start IlovePrince.org.

I really think he's losing his mind. The last two songs he has let the public hear are horrendous.

It's really a shame to think that he can play guitar better now than he ever has before, but now he writes music worse than he ever has before.

It would be interesting to see a poll on opinions of this song to quantify it better.
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tomato said:

You're basically suggesting an alternate org for people who disagree with your view of Prince and his music. That's not a very tolerant, open attitude is it?

ernestsewell said:

Prince is only looking for a way to sale himself in the latter 2k. I think he should look back at the last decent album he made... 3121... and the way he packaged it, and THEN..... he will see that he was MODERN,ORIGINAL, and COHERENT... 3 out of 3 that lotus wasnt.

he doesnt have to be world worthy to be fan worthy.... and that he was with 3121.

I don't care about his salvation... but I LONE for the conflict he depicts in his emotions.... sort of like spit on a pillow... its nast in the morning ... yet it meant you were at peace.

Prince needs to go back to being human..... and the words in this song are a little sign of a push in that direction...
keep hope on dope....



peace.