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Giovanni777

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RECORDING Magazine Article on Recording Vocals Refers 2 PRINCE.

In the newest (February 2010) Recording magazine, there's an article on vocal recording. The writer, Rick Barrio Dill, talks about Prince's layering of vocals... One of my favorite subjects, and least discussed aspects of Prince's genius.

Here's the pertinent excerpt:

Learning To Stack
My hero is Prince. In every way possible, this man has blown my mind (and eardrums) using just about every instrument possible. Now, Prince knows what he is doing. He is also gifted beyond measure. One time I was working with a particularly gifted R&B artist, and we were going for that giant Prince vocal sound, similar to that of "7", and so many other great vocal stacking songs he has done.

Most R&B that I had worked around to that point was in "factory" type settings, and these studios worked fast to turn that stuff out. The recipe, or habit, was really just cutting layers and layers of vocals to get the vocals to stack out. It always sounded OK, but not quite Prince.


He then writes further about what he tried, how it didn't work, and how unexpected changes in mic placement, vocal phrasing, etc, began to give the sound he wanted. He also mentions that part of the key is in the singer's ability to change tonal character, based on register and harmony range.

I read these type of articles frequently, just to see various engineers opinions on recording, and I was pleasantly surprised to find this, needless to say!

~G
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Reply #1 posted 02/01/10 3:11pm

zaza

Thanks for that article!
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Reply #2 posted 02/01/10 3:25pm

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I would love to read more about how Prince stacks vocals. I knew there was a method to doing it and would like to know what it is.
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Reply #3 posted 02/01/10 3:44pm

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Pure Genious cool
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Reply #4 posted 02/01/10 4:08pm

jdcxc

Prince's vocal arrangements are incredible. Emancipation is a clinic for studying his voice.
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Reply #5 posted 02/01/10 4:35pm

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Thanks for posting this.

I think a key to Prince's background vocals is actually the influence of Larry Graham. No, I don't mean the modern spiritual influence, but that low end that Larry pulls off so effortlessly in his old recordings.

Listen to "An Honest Man", it sounds like Larry.
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Reply #6 posted 02/01/10 4:40pm

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I agree that this aspect of his talent is overlooked. Because of this technique Prince rarely uses backing singers in the studio. With his vocal range he can sound male & female. This layering of vocals was inspired by Chaka Khan.
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Reply #7 posted 02/01/10 5:18pm

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I have a theory that "When Doves Cry" was pivotal in Prince's use of layers of his own vocals. Granted, the 1st album has the song "For You", which is nothing but Prince's voice, but "When Doves Cry" really seemed to kick off this signature sound of his.

We hear the same arrangement in "It" from Sign O'the Times, but not necessarily throughout that double album. In "Batman", that multi-Prince choir plays a huge role. By the time the '90s rolled in, it started becoming more and more evident, with a song like "Thunder" starting the album Diamonds & Pearls". After "0)+>", maybe Prince was doing this a little too much in my taste, but I got used to it.

It always bothered me, how they did this in the shows... having all those Prince voices come in strongly during the choruses. I guess they used samplers, but were they programmed? Or would Morris Hayes hit the right keys with the right samples every time?

Regardless, he's the funkiest man in the land.
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Reply #8 posted 02/01/10 7:30pm

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now this is my kind of reading material
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Reply #9 posted 02/01/10 7:51pm

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From the moment I heard For You, I have been in utter awe at Prince's ability to layer and blend voices. It is one of the things that keeps me listening to him.

Thanks for sharing this. cool
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Reply #10 posted 02/01/10 7:58pm

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Genesia said:

From the moment I heard For You, I have been in utter awe at Prince's ability to layer and blend voices. It is one of the things that keeps me listening to him.

Thanks for sharing this. cool

I agree with your post and your sig, Genesia. wink
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Reply #11 posted 02/01/10 8:19pm

SavonOsco

Not many can sing in different octaves and make the layers work...They even have effects that give the same results..but none sound like Prince
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Reply #12 posted 02/01/10 8:27pm

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Prince's vocal arrangements are incredible. Emancipation is a clinic for studying his voice.


I agree. There's so much versatility in his art and the way he uses his voice...Emancipation is a good example. Some of his most beautiful vocal stylings.

One of the reasons I don't favor Prince having input from flavor of the month producers is because I love the little idiosyncratic Princey touches he puts in his work.

I love those precious Princey moments. lol
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Reply #13 posted 02/01/10 8:43pm

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His vocals are what made him stand out in the first place!
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Xtraordinary said:

I would love to read more about how Prince stacks vocals. I knew there was a method to doing it and would like to know what it is.


I would love to know also! Tried looking for scans but couldn't find any sad
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Reply #15 posted 02/02/10 6:50am

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TheScouser said:

Xtraordinary said:

I would love to read more about how Prince stacks vocals. I knew there was a method to doing it and would like to know what it is.


I would love to know also! Tried looking for scans but couldn't find any sad


Part of the answer is there... where this engineer talks about a singer's ability 2 alter his/her tonal character... register, etc.

Also with Prince, he chooses such "unexpected" harmonies, which are at once radically different from each other, but all working together perfectly. It's talent and a musically bold ear.

Also, Prince's mic placement, proximity, etc, likely vary quite a bit within the different vocal takes, which would create a wider sonic range.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't always listen 2 all of the previous vocals when laying each individual track down, giving each vocal more "independence" musically speaking.
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Reply #16 posted 02/02/10 7:46am

SavonOsco

Giovanni777 said:

TheScouser said:



I would love to know also! Tried looking for scans but couldn't find any sad


Part of the answer is there... where this engineer talks about a singer's ability 2 alter his/her tonal character... register, etc.

Also with Prince, he chooses such "unexpected" harmonies, which are at once radically different from each other, but all working together perfectly. It's talent and a musically bold ear.

Also, Prince's mic placement, proximity, etc, likely vary quite a bit within the different vocal takes, which would create a wider sonic range.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he doesn't always listen 2 all of the previous vocals when laying each individual track down, giving each vocal more "independence" musically speaking.


Good point about mic placement....
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Reply #17 posted 02/02/10 8:10am

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SavonOsco said:

Not many can sing in different octaves and make the layers work...They even have effects that give the same results..but none sound like Prince


Right on.
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Reply #18 posted 02/02/10 8:37am

BlackandRising

Giovanni777 said:

In the newest (February 2010) Recording magazine, there's an article on vocal recording. The writer, Rick Barrio Dill, talks about Prince's layering of vocals... One of my favorite subjects, and least discussed aspects of Prince's genius.

Here's the pertinent excerpt:

Learning To Stack
My hero is Prince. In every way possible, this man has blown my mind (and eardrums) using just about every instrument possible. Now, Prince knows what he is doing. He is also gifted beyond measure. One time I was working with a particularly gifted R&B artist, and we were going for that giant Prince vocal sound, similar to that of "7", and so many other great vocal stacking songs he has done.

Most R&B that I had worked around to that point was in "factory" type settings, and these studios worked fast to turn that stuff out. The recipe, or habit, was really just cutting layers and layers of vocals to get the vocals to stack out. It always sounded OK, but not quite Prince.


He then writes further about what he tried, how it didn't work, and how unexpected changes in mic placement, vocal phrasing, etc, began to give the sound he wanted. He also mentions that part of the key is in the singer's ability to change tonal character, based on register and harmony range.

I read these type of articles frequently, just to see various engineers opinions on recording, and I was pleasantly surprised to find this, needless to say!

~G


Of all the things discussed, reported, etc., about his studio prowess, Prince's vocal layering is the one thing i would like to read about in detail. This is probably the aspect of his music that I've always just been blown away by.
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Reply #19 posted 02/02/10 8:57am

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Thanks G for posting - this is truly an area of his genius that is hardly discussed so its very cool to see this from Recording magazine.

It's an element of his music I've always referred to that many don't completly understand. One example is Sheila Es Glamorous life with P riding underneath her vocals for the entire song that most people just don't pick up on.
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Reply #20 posted 02/02/10 9:49am

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Nice article. Prince's Voice is Beautiful. cool
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2020 said:

Thanks G for posting - this is truly an area of his genius that is hardly discussed so its very cool to see this from Recording magazine.

It's an element of his music I've always referred to that many don't completly understand. One example is Sheila Es Glamorous life with P riding underneath her vocals for the entire song that most people just don't pick up on.


It is also one of my favourite subjects, and largely unnoticed by most.

Once, I was playing a Prince song 2 a couple of "qualified" friends in D.C. ... one an engineer, and the other, a major keyboard player. I was pointing out the background vocals, and the engineer said something like, "Yeah, well anyone can do that with an Eventide (harmonizer)." I explained that Prince tracks all of those vocals, and the keyboard player knew it, of course, and backed me up... Then I made him listen again... and again.

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Reply #22 posted 02/02/10 9:03pm

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^^^ what song?

1999 is when I believe he mastered layering and I wish he'd revisit that style wink
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