Yeah, I remember when that was posted on OKP.

It was a great post then, and it's a great post now.

I guess you can label me someone who's more forgiving of Prince's antics.

Mostly, because they don't seem that fucking serious when you get down do it.

I spent the entire summer in the hospital. The fuck do I care that Prince doesn't want his videos on Youtube?

I think people here get personally offended by the fact that Prince's music isn't as good as it used to be.

If Prince's albums are great from start to finish, fine. If not, at least I know that they'll be at least 1 or 2 jams that will be in rotation.

There people here who are too invested in Prince's personal and business life.

He doesn't know who the fuck you are. Why are you constantly bitching about everything the man does?

If he plays a concert full of hit songs. "Well, he's just playing tired old hits".

If he plays mostly new stuff. "Why is he playing that crap nobody wants to hear? We wanna hear Kiss"!

When became a J.W. "The J.W.'s are sucking the life out of Prince"!

But if he was still on stage humping the floor. "He's way too old to be doing crap like that. I wish he'd grow and realize he's a 50 year old man"!

He can't win with these people.

Noted..And thanks for the level headed response....

I know it sounded like I was repeating myself...lol...But I just had to point out that the road to obsessive behavior goes both ways...It's not only the Barts of the world...It's folks having a vigil because of a name I called Prince in a thread, that wasn't even picked up by most rationale folks...

These people feel like I'm attacking them...But I'm clearly not....I'm just trying to have a discussion about how this place has turned so US-AGAINST-THEM lately.....There's no room for nuance anymore....It's either one way or the other...Either you fly off the handle over the smallest thing someone says about Prince Or you become the resident Kill Joy jumping into every Prince post to say how Prince isn't the performer, producer, business man, spiritual man, human being, lover, friend, scrabble player, checker champ, ping pong champ, ect ect, he used to be....

Bart isnt arguing with Queen or Tame nor visa versa... It’s the regular posting 'Moderates' that feel the need to throw comments and insults so it escalates as each 'side' feels the need to defend their point of view.

Sorry for the long post

Peace

murph said:

What moderates?.....lol

It's all good....I think most rationale folks understand the underlining point of this thread...

Paris9748430 said:

right on Paris People need to get a life and stop being so judgemental and be happy the man is alive, well and happy, performing the songs some of us will never get tired of hearing whether new or old, its APPRECIATED. Aint nobody forcin anyone to listen to any of his music or go to any of his shows, etc. Stop the bitchin. If you're unhappy with what he's producin maybe its a sign to find something else do with your time if its affecting your life that much

y'all seriously need to stop with the bullshit "get a life" comments. If it makes people happy to post whatever about the guy, then good on them. I have no idea why some of you think those types have no life in the first place. Maybe you don't have a life since you seem to exist to tell people what they should do?

I don't know which is worse: the asskissing brigade or the hating brigade.

xlr8r said:

Are they salt pretzels?....That might be the problem.....

Vendetta1 said:

A lot of these people on both sides just like to hear the sound of their fingers clicking on their keyboards. They may as well be typing klkafjdahhg;ah0oeoq 'cause they're not making any fucking sense!

Paris9748430 said:

And I will say again and again, why do you guys give them attention and energy? Why do you let someone you don't even know affect you so much?

Vendetta1 said:

I'm just mostly replying to other's posts.

If they're gonna say what they're gonna say what they. I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say.

If they crave attention that much. I've got no problem giving them what they crave by calling them a fucking moron!!!

Paris9748430 said:

So a flame is the answer? Gotcha.

I guess murph is right about the "us" vs. "them" mentality on this site.

murph said:

I dont mind the salt. If the pretzel wants to have salt now its cool. I may enjoy it at times, I may nt. But iI'm not going to dog out the pretzel for having salt or not having it like the old pretzels. Its not that important and I can appreciate the salt . And I'm not gon' trip if the pretzel goes to another brand. It's all part of the pretzel experience. Hell, it's part of the whole snacking experience in itself, and has been for decades. It's important not to take the pretzel's being salty or not personally. Just enjoy it or if not, choose another snack for the time being.

WisdomNLove said:

y'all seriously need to stop with the bullshit "get a life" comments. If it makes people happy to post whatever about the guy, then good on them. I have no idea why some of you think those types have no life in the first place. Maybe you don't have a life since you seem to exist to tell people what they should do?

I don't know which is worse: the asskissing brigade or the hating brigade.

Paris9748430 said:
A lot of these people . . . may as well be typing klkafjdahhg;ah0oeoq 'cause they're not making any fucking sense!

Vendetta1 said:

yeah we'll keep on with the get a life comments cuz plenty of you have none and if you did have one, you wouldnt get so offended by what I said. Anyone who gets off by saying hateful comments about another person they dont even know personally seriously has issues. And if you are referring to me, I dont kiss anyones ass, especially when I dont have to my glass is always half FULL hun, carry on.....
[Edited 11/9/09 17:18pm]

Prince was going to dress the way he wanted to dress, look the way he wanted to look and sing the shit he wanted to sing and he didn't give a fuck what we thought. My own insecurities were being attacked by this brass young cat from Minneapolis who was simply unflappable. It was now clear to me that a lot of my hate was envy... envy that this mutha fucker was going to do whatever the hell he wanted and we could take it or leave it... he simply didn't give a fuck.

The Prince we have now has changed a lot no doubt... but at his core he hasn't changed at all. He makes decisions based on what he wants to do and not what you think he should do. He's going to dress the way he wants to dress, talk the way he wants to talk and sing or NOT sing lyrics of his choosing... and if you don't like it tough shit... some of y'all just can't deal with that... but you can't seem to ignore it either. I think it's time to face up to the reasons why.

How silly. Of course, moderate fans exist. They're just not invested enough to deal with the loonies on both sides, so they don't post as much.

If the more balanced Prince fans on this very thread posted topics that the more moderate Prince fans could talk about, this place could get balanced out. In my opinion, it serves no purpose to bash either side. It brings the attention to the "lovers" and the "haters" that they crave.

It's weird to me that the haters get criticized for hating a person they don't know but the lovers don't as much. Prince has said time and again that he does not want to be idolized.

What up to the Org....Hope everyone is well...

Okay, so let me get right to it...This place has gotten nuts....

It's like we are in some political alternate universe (the conspiracy theory fringe left and Gov. Palin, Glen Beck bitter, bully right) where there's no longer room for moderate fans.....

You are either someone who would blindly take a bullet for Prince or an obsessive fan who feels the need to consistently and negatively dissect everything Prince does as if your life depends on the man's music and actions...

People on both sides have gotten waaaaay to involved in this dude....I really wanted to write a long note to the good folks at the Org, but I'll be at it all day....lol....

The irony is I found a post from another site (Okay Player) that was posted a few months ago...The homie Old Pro breaks it down from the heart in exactly the words that hit home...I make my living on writing and I can't think of anything better that can be applied to this place....

I still dig coming to the Org...But the shock posting (The: "I Hate Prince" Posts of the worlds...) and the overly sensitive emotions on this board (a couple of fans nearly cried when I nicknamed Prince the "Midget"...real talk...lol)

Anyway, here it is....I hope some folks will learn something from this....Let's try to gain some semblance of level headed thinking...They say MJ's (RIP) fans are the nuttiest....But just from the last three months or so, Prince fans may have Mike's fans beat....

Peace...





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I think it's time some of you openly address your Prince Obsession


It's just not healthy the way some of y'all are carrying on. But I'm not here to name names... I make this post out of brotherly love. I understand, I really do. Let me tell you a little story.

Flash back to 1980. The black man with the Farrah hair is a B level star. Now I couldn't front on I Wanna Be Your Lover and Sexy Dancer but I still wasn't sold on this weird little dude with the big Speed Racer eyes and the solid gold dancer pants. Yeah he had some cuts but I just wasn't comfortable with how soft this cat looked. Dude looked like a bottom bitch if I've ever seen one. So any way, me and my boy head over to his brother's apartment Halloween night 1980.

His brother Eddie was the dude that taught me to mix and we'd go over there to make tapes all the time. So this night we promised to hand out candy in exchange for a couple hours on his system. I start flipping through his albums pulling out shit I want to tape ... Cameo Feel Me, cool.. George Duke, right on ... Bar-Kays, yep ... wait ... what in theeeee fuck is this shit? *turns to my boy and holds up Dirty Mind* He had obviously seen it before, he shakes his head and mutters "fag". I had no idea Prince even had a new album out ... I wasn't hearing anything on the radio. As pulled the inside sleeve out my boy says "that fag be talkin about fuckin his sister man" The irony of that statement was buried by the horror of what I just heard... and saw...

Prince laying on a bed with his legs up looking like he's ready to be fucked ... or even worse .. Fuck you! I looked almost hypnotically as the image .. still not believing what I was seeing..."He's singing about fuckin his sister? Are you serious"? I was pulling the record out as I said this and my eyes went right to the song... there is was "Sister" Like a driver passing a car wreck, I just had to hear this and hear it now. So I try and drop the needle on "Sister" but the way they run together I get the last 8-9 seconds of "Head" ...

In those few seconds my senses went into overload. Now keep in mind Eddie had a tight ass system. Those synths and popping bass coming out so crisp and clean through his reverb messaged my brain in a way I had never experienced before. Just like that it ends abruptly and the frantic beat of "Sister" starts. "I'm only 16 but I guess that's no excuse" what is this bullshit? ... wait dude this dude just said some shit his sister's "juice"? Ohhh hell no! *record continues to play* "Incest is everything it's said to be" *Looks over at my boy making a face like he just smelt the nastiest fart of all time* "Yeah fuck this dude" I said as I lifted the needle off the record. But for the rest of the night I couldn't help but think about those 10 seconds of "Head" I heard. I wanted to hear the rest but I couldn't play this with my boy there... Can't have him thinking I'm a "fag".

That night I knew what my mission was the next day (Saturday)... Get on my bike and make the 30 minute trip to Tower. I wake up and of course it's raining ... HARD. I don't have enough money for both the bus and the record so I have no choice ... I put the rain gear on and set off on. Thankfully it lets up a little about 10 minutes in but I'm still soaked by the time I get there. I go straight for the new release rack... it's not there. WTF?

I started thinking what if they don't carry this here. I mean dude is a homo that's talking about fuckin his Sister. Are there gay record shops I don't know about where you have to go for this? One of those dirty book stores maybe? I go to the artist section and look under Prince... For a split second I'm relieved it's there but then the second leg of my quest hits me like a ton of bricks ... how the hell am I going to take this shit up to the counter?

My heart races as I play my options through my head. I don't have enough money to buy another album to help provide cover so the only hope it to make a quick end run while no one is in line. I pace around for a good 20 minutes drying off and waiting until the window opened ... I make my move. I set the record down and avoid eye contact with the grimy rock chick behind the counter. She rings it up and I give her the money ... I'm actually shocked it went this smoothly... don't ask me what I thought would happen lol ... the closest thing I can compare this experience to was the first time I bought porn a few years later.

Any way I get the record home and go straight to my room. Head phones on (no way this can be played out loud) and away I went. The lyrics, sounds and images all created a world I wasn't sure I belonged in but was fascinated by all the same. I was really feeling this shit but it was coming with a heavy dose of shame. I was being sonically stimulated by a sister fucking "fag" in black stockings and a speedo... No way can this shit be healthy... but I couldn't stop.

What is happening to me? A few days pass and I come home from school one day to find moms in my room thumbing though my records... she's in the same stack as you know what! I immediately picture her coming across Dirty Mind, rushing over and laying hands on me to cast out the homosexual demons. "Do you have that song "One In a Million" she asks. Yes ... she's hasn't seen it yet! I make a quick move over to the stack and pick them all up... "I don't think it's in here but I have it somewhere" She turns and walks away "Thanks baby, tape it for me ok" Bullet dodged but we can't run this risk again... the album must be destroyed. I take the vinyl out and slip in into Gap III (where it remains to this day) Then out the door over to granny's house where granddad is almost certain to have a fire going on this cold November day. As luck would have it he was out back and granny was in the kitchen where she always was. I tossed the album and inner sleeve into the blaze ... there was something creepy as hell about watching the flames consume everything before Prince's face. Seeing those big ass eyes peering at me in the fire freaked me the fuck out for real. This only added to the occult feeling that was building in me in regards to P.

I remember it was right before Christmas when I heard these two girls in art class talking about Dirty Mind. It was the first time since that Halloween night I heard anyone else opening talk about it. The thing I remember most was them saying Prince was "fine"... I can't tell you how relieved this made me feel.. just the fact a girl was attracted to his new looked was enough to lessened the "gay factor" considerably. Make no mistake, I still felt something wasn't clean in his milk but it might be a little easier to "come out of the closet" and ride for some of these songs. I don't remember me or my boys ever openingly riding anything but "Head" & "Do It All Night" & "Party Up" though.

By the time Controversy rolled out my love/hate relationship with P was fully developed. He had so much potential ... why did he have to be so weird, so gay and at times ... so white? Why couldn't dude just be "normal" When the Time's first album dropped we all latched onto them as an example of what Prince should sound like... not realizing at the time the joke was on us.

1999 was when i finally gave in. The album still had it's share of "white" sounds but there was just too much there to deny this cat. So after finally winning me over what does he do... drops his whitest album to date with Purple Rain. I remember actually being pissed off people liked this shit. Like how can you dig this bullshit? It's not funky... it's not what he's "supposed" to be doing. Y'all only like it because it's Prince I argued. Yeah the B Sides are dope but the album sucks... as a matter of fact I argued it wasn't even supposed to be good. All the songs in the movie were supposed to suck up until his last set... The best song (Doves) was never performed on stage but was played music video style with him on his bike. Of course I missed the whole point that it was us that was the problem but you couldn't tell me nothing.

When ATWIAD dropped I was even convinced Prince was just fucking with people. Trying to see what he could record and still sell just because it was from Prince... dude was coughing on records for god's sake. Around this time my Prince hate was a full on blaze. I remember reading accounts of how poorly the movie UTCM was shaping up and quietly rejoicing... actually there wasn't anything quiet about it. Kiss dropped and I just knew it was a trap... the rest of the album is gonna suck I cautioned everyone. When it hit I felt vindicated.

It was shortly after this time (87) when a lot of my friends were starting to jump off the P bandwagon. The new single was "Sign O The Times" and wasn't really something the fellas wanted to jam. So I won right? Prince is exposed and falling off. But a funny thing happened for me... I had just become a father for the first time and was starting to process things differently.

I gave a lot of thought to the health and happiness of my child. One of the things I pondered was how would I feel if she turned out to be gay? Would I like someone directing the word "fag" at her? In an indirect way these question raised more questions in me as to how I processed and perceived things. I loved the songs Uptown and Dirty Mind back in 1980... so why couldn't I admit it at the time? It started to hit me and hit me hard ...

Prince was going to dress the way he wanted to dress, look the way he wanted to look and sing the shit he wanted to sing and he didn't give a fuck what we thought. My own insecurities were being attacked by this brass young cat from Minneapolis who was simply unflappable. It was now clear to me that a lot of my hate was envy... envy that this mutha fucker was going to do whatever the hell he wanted and we could take it or leave it... he simply didn't give a fuck.

The Prince we have now has changed a lot no doubt... but at his core he hasn't changed at all. He makes decisions based on what he wants to do and not what you think he should do. He's going to dress the way he wants to dress, talk the way he wants to talk and sing or NOT sing lyrics of his choosing... and if you don't like it tough shit... some of y'all just can't deal with that... but you can't seem to ignore it either. I think it's time to face up to the reasons why.
[Edited 11/7/09 19:30pm]

murph said:

I don't get it. Reading this piece I would argue that this person is more obsessed and lacking reason than 90% of people on this site. Who needs prince to address your thinking on homosexuality

Marrk said:

jcurley said:

Quite. @ The 'Burning Dirty Mind' part. This person deserves ridicule. not praise.

often in the past there have been posts about the Lovesexy cover, folks being afraid to buy it when it was released etc. it blows my mind how uptight some folks are about such minor things like a bit of nudity.

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[Edited 11/10/09 3:34am]

The more I read, the more I felt my anger rising until I got towards the end when the guy said he changed his views after having a daughter and worried about how she would be treated if she was gay, which it usually takes a family member or someone very close to home to change people's ignorant views. So the post did turn out to be a positive one afterall because at least the person changed. I think the fact that he was a closet Prince fan might have had something to do with that.....just like being a Prince fan influenced me to be an absolute bitch that don't give a damn what others think.

WisdomNLove said:

y'all seriously need to stop with the bullshit "get a life" comments. If it makes people happy to post whatever about the guy, then good on them. I have no idea why some of you think those types have no life in the first place. Maybe you don't have a life since you seem to exist to tell people what they should do?

I don't know which is worse: the asskissing brigade or the hating brigade.

Vendetta1 said:

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hating brigade

Because this is a fan site.

Why would anyone waste their time much less other fans time with redundent post about how much that can't stand what Prince is doing this week.

This is the reason many of us don't think these people have lives. P does not give one rat's ass about what any of us thinks and I would not even be a fan if he did care that much. His attitude is what makes him interesting and is one of the reasons he is still active in the music industry.

You have got to be really slow to have not figured this out and to think anyone on a fan site is interested in the non-stop bitch post from the same people over and over again.

If someone does not say something to the haters they will ruin this board and take it over.
[Edited 11/10/09 9:36am]