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Dayclear said: Dear Murph :
Your opinion is like an asshole: Everybody's got one and sometimes it stinks.
[Edited 11/8/09 8:07am] Dear Dayclear....I can guess what side of the fence of crazy town you are on ....  | |
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Dayclear said: You're NOBODY to me so I don't care. Trust me!
You insulted me with a post, I came back with a similar post.... And then your next post: Crazy Town....lol Ha!...i've read it all.... But on the real, we don't know each other, so there is no hate at all...But if you are going to insult someone at least be able to take a return fire that was mild at best.... | |
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Some good posts on the thread. I don't think it's as black and white as "for" Prince or "against." There are many moderates but as the "anti" posters often tend to be bullies, attacking posters who occasionally defend Prince and resort to continual swearing and name calling, it only SEEMS as if they have the upper hand. The bullies are more disturbing because the can be just downright abusive.
Girls who are in love with Prince or the Christians or JWs don't bother me at all. They are generally not the ones doing the bullying. If they bully, it's because they are bullied! One would think the Org would be about discussing music, albums recordings etc (like Chronic Freeze did) but 70% of the time, it's people bashing Prince's output, his character, religion, way of doing business, or derogatory comments about his love life. It's more like a GOSSIP site, than a musician fan site. There ARE though a few good posters who keep the place alive with rationality, honesty, respect for fellow posters and hard work when it comes to keeping all Prince's recording data recorded. The ones that bash Prince here constantly, just come here to "bash" period. It's some kind of ego boost or little "power fix." But lets be honest, continually bashing on Prince yet have every record and be on this site daily, is psychologically unhealthy. And maybe what a poster said previously about the people that run the site wanting to have fireworks is right. But what about the young fans who come here, aged 17/18 etc? They are impressionable. What image is it that we actually want to portray here? Love someone (be a fan) come and join us. Then hate on the one we love for excitement????? "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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BlackCandle said: Yeah, but "The Midget" wasn't very clever OR original, was it? As I believe Chronic Freeze recently picked you up on...? I agree with you BlackCandle. In fact I think CFreeze just said it was unnecesary. If anyone should or could have had a grudge, it would have been him. I found his posts completely mature, & he sounded like he was someone with goals in his life and spent his time pursing those goals, rather than being bitter about the past. Maybe the "midget" comment was meant in affection and misunderstood. But still everyone has weaknesses and flaws. If you believe in someone, you see the flaws but don't use them to our advantage because it's a bit unkind. By all means be quirky, but not at the expense of another. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: Some good posts on the thread. I don't think it's as black and white as "for" Prince or "against." There are many moderates but as the "anti" posters often tend to be bullies, attacking posters who occasionally defend Prince and resort to continual swearing and name calling, it only SEEMS as if they have the upper hand. The bullies are more disturbing because the can be just downright abusive.
Girls who are in love with Prince or the Christians or JWs don't bother me at all. They are generally not the ones doing the bullying. If they bully, it's because they are bullied! One would think the Org would be about discussing music, albums recordings etc (like Chronic Freeze did) but 70% of the time, it's people bashing Prince's output, his character, religion, way of doing business, or derogatory comments about his love life. It's more like a GOSSIP site, than a musician fan site. There ARE though a few good posters who keep the place alive with rationality, honesty, respect for fellow posters and hard work when it comes to keeping all Prince's recording data recorded. The ones that bash Prince here constantly, just come here to "bash" period. It's some kind of ego boost or little "power fix." But lets be honest, continually bashing on Prince yet have every record and be on this site daily, is psychologically unhealthy. And maybe what a poster said previously about the people that run the site wanting to have fireworks is right. But what about the young fans who come here, aged 17/18 etc? They are impressionable. What image is it that we actually want to portray here? Love someone (be a fan) come and join us. Then hate on the one we love for excitement????? I agree with you for the most part....I just want folks to understand that it's not just about folks obsessively criticizing Prince....A few years ago I got flamed by some really hardcore heads about a musical comment I made about Prince...Now I consider myself a hardcore fan when it comes to Prince's music and less about his personal life....And that took me aback...But looking back I should not have been surprised because after all this is a Prince fan site.... What's more surprising is how both sides have ramped up the rhetoric...And even worse how fans that claim to be fans rip the man in every post..Not from time to time....But-every-single-post....lol...And i think you are right...They enjoy the "power" that they believe they possess....And the Mods let blullshit fly both ways.... Again I just want some semblance of more moderate posts...It's getting scary on the Org.... [Edited 11/8/09 9:54am] | |
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I agree with you whole heartedly.
It should be a place of fun & mature discussion and not all the bullshit. Excuse my French  I also wouldn't mind less gay talk. I mean aren't there gay forums out there? I am not gay phobic, anything but, but us heteros don't go around discussing our sexuality all the time."Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: BlackCandle said: Yeah, but "The Midget" wasn't very clever OR original, was it? As I believe Chronic Freeze recently picked you up on...? I agree with you BlackCandle. In fact I think CFreeze just said it was unnecesary. If anyone should or could have had a grudge, it would have been him. I found his posts completely mature, & he sounded like he was someone with goals in his life and spent his time pursing those goals, rather than being bitter about the past. Maybe the "midget" comment was meant in affection and misunderstood. But still everyone has weaknesses and flaws. If you believe in someone, you see the flaws but don't use them to our advantage because it's a bit unkind. By all means be quirky, but not at the expense of another. It was a term of endearment....At least for me...But again, I didn't have a fit about Freeze making note of it, because he didn't understand who Bart was and his obsessive history on this site....That was who I was responding to....But again, I understood what was happening, so no harm, no foul... But I think it was even more interesting that some fans went really nuts over me referring to Prince as "The Midget"....And it speaks to the fact that some Prince fans take themselves and Prince a little too seriously.... | |
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Oh yes I remember now about the "Bart" part. 
There is something I don't get here. We're not meant to flame or get personal. Fair enough and it's a good rule. However, it's ok to flame and get ultra personal and insulting to Prince, the one who brought us all here? Bit of a dicotomy if you ask me. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Bohemian67 said: Oh yes I remember now about the "Bart" part.
There is something I don't get here. We're not meant to flame or get personal. Fair enough and it's a good rule. However, it's ok to flame and get ultra personal and insulting to Prince, the one who brought us all here? Bit of a dicotomy if you ask me. Well...like I said...there's a thin line between criticism and obsessive hate.... I certainly don't want this place to turn into a series of "Isn't Prince Dreamy" posts...I like spirited exchanges of ideas...I like speaking to knowledgeable Prince heads who are more interested about his musical legacy than who he is fucking or who he has fired...I even like some of the more funnier posts because it proves that we don't take Prince so serious to the point where we can't goof on our boy.... But some of the shit that has been going on both sides has been puzzling... [Edited 11/8/09 10:01am] | |
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murph said: Bohemian67 said: Oh yes I remember now about the "Bart" part.
There is something I don't get here. We're not meant to flame or get personal. Fair enough and it's a good rule. However, it's ok to flame and get ultra personal and insulting to Prince, the one who brought us all here? Bit of a dicotomy if you ask me. Well...like I said...there's a thin line between criticism and obsessive hate.... I certainly don't want this place to turn into a series of "Isn't Prince Dreamy" posts...I like spirited exchanges of ideas...I like speaking to knowledgeable Prince heads who are more interested about his musical legacy than who he is fucking or who he has fired...I even like some of the more funnier posts because it proves that we don't take Prince so serious to the point where we can't goof on our boy.... But some of the shit that has been going on both sides has been puzzling... [Edited 11/8/09 10:01am] Very true. I guess some people just have a problem with defining their own borders. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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NONSENSE said: Great story. Prince was never weird to me. I grew up in the era of Funkadelic... brothas wearing diapers, sucking baby bottles, & dropping out of spaceships. So the shit Prince did seemed normal. Besides there was Kiss, David Bowie, Sly Stone, Rick James and on & on. The 70's were a terrific decade for music. So much originality. My Generation didn't want to be like others, we wanted to have our own thang going on. Even today, I like myself and don't feel pressured to be like others. Had Prince been a so-called normal cat he wouldn't have made it. The only way any artist would "come up in the game" was to be unique, original. And Prince was just that. To me Prince has always been the artist that has taken music to the next level. What comes after Prince or the next extension of his work (funk, jazz, soul, rock et al) I hope I live to see....
[Edited 11/8/09 6:11am] Same here. I grew up in a time when stars looked like, dressed like, and acted like stars. Each one had something unique about them and the more outrageous they looked, the better, and stars stood out in a crowd back then. Even if it was a star you had never heard of, you could still spot them in a crowd of people because they didn't look like average people. So when I first saw Prince on "American Bandstand" the early part of the year 1980, I immediately took notice. It wasn't just the outrageous look he had but the gay look is what hooked me more than any other artist. If he didn't have the gay look, I still would have loved his music but he would have had a harder time becoming my absolute favorite artist because there were definately some other artists during that era with music just as great such as Rick James, Lakeside, The Barkays, Cameo, and endless others. The gay look is what put him above the rest as my favorite because all the stereotypes I had seen of gay people as far as the music they liked during that time was classical musicians. In other words, dull, nerdy, geeky, the type of stereotypes that people made fun of and weren't afraid to harass. But this man looked gay as hell and was not only making hard kickass funk/rock, but flaunting the gay look as if he was daring a motherfucker to even try to mess with him if they didn't like it. It was like he was throwing the finger at the homophobic assholes and telling him to kiss his ass. It's like he was beating them at their own game and throwing down harder than they were. That meant so much to me and helped me deal with a lot of assholes in my own life growing up during that era. . . . [Edited 11/8/09 10:26am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Murph: You are so right! Actually this site has become more juvenile than it was 10 years ago. One would never guess these were Prince fans. There is so much HATE and negativity that it's sad. What's even more sad is the individuals who respond in that manner still don't/won't get it...kind of like the theory if you're wondering who the idiot is it's probably you...lol.
Anyway, great post, but don't expect people to learn from it. Peace 2 u all. Proud 2 say - lover of Prince music since the beginning! | |
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Bohemian67 said: One would think the Org would be about discussing music, albums recordings etc (like Chronic Freeze did) but 70% of the time, it's people bashing Prince's output, his character, religion, way of doing business, or derogatory comments about his love life. It's more like a GOSSIP site, than a musician fan site.
1. Prince is bashing his own output, simply by not promoting his albums and not playing songs from them. That's a FACT. You can theorize at length about this, but the FACT is that in the past he did play his latest music, and he hasn't done so for more than a decade (except for ONE time). He's had plenty of opportunities to play his latest music, and yet each time he doesn't. 2. Prince's religion has always influenced his music, but particularly for the past decade, in which he's even "rewritten" songs from his past to align them with him becoming a JW. It's IMPOSSIBLE not o talk about his religion when it influences EVERYTHING he does. 3. Discussing his idiotic business decisions WHICH DIRECTLY IMPACT FANS is out of bounds? WTF? 4. His love life: again, it's hard to not talk about this when it influences his music. Sure, there are plenty of idiotic threads about Bria, but nobody forced Prince to write and record some shitty album for her. The Org is a gossip site? Considering what you think of as "gossip", The Economist is gossip rag too. © Bart Van Hemelen
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ladyleap2u said: There is so much HATE and negativity that it's sad.
Prince is reaping what he sowed. Some of us haven't blanked out what happened in 1996/97, for instance, when fans were pitched against fans. Wanna know where all this "hate" comes from? PRINCE. Simple as that. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Bohemian67 said: Oh yes I remember now about the "Bart" part.
Then what was that, since the thread is now gone. And no, I haven't read it all, planned to do it later but it didn't happen. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Sorry-but this place has ALWAYS been famously-full of nutters with crazy stuff going on
again-sorry-but there are ALOT of lets say-over exuberant women on here who seem to think P is theirs.....nuff said 
i hate to say it-but if the Quake was still around-alot of us..... wouldn't be here-we'd be there-where there was always a modicum of balance. Some superb posts from some VERY cool folk-like Garlicbread.Pepper n Plukie-Milly.....Caeto here-the famous names-are famous for being the nastiest-cattiest folk around G-R-E-A-T not | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Bohemian67 said: One would think the Org would be about discussing music, albums recordings etc (like Chronic Freeze did) but 70% of the time, it's people bashing Prince's output, his character, religion, way of doing business, or derogatory comments about his love life. It's more like a GOSSIP site, than a musician fan site.
1. Prince is bashing his own output, simply by not promoting his albums and not playing songs from them. That's a FACT. You can theorize at length about this, but the FACT is that in the past he did play his latest music, and he hasn't done so for more than a decade (except for ONE time). He's had plenty of opportunities to play his latest music, and yet each time he doesn't. 2. Prince's religion has always influenced his music, but particularly for the past decade, in which he's even "rewritten" songs from his past to align them with him becoming a JW. It's IMPOSSIBLE not o talk about his religion when it influences EVERYTHING he does. 3. Discussing his idiotic business decisions WHICH DIRECTLY IMPACT FANS is out of bounds? WTF? 4. His love life: again, it's hard to not talk about this when it influences his music. Sure, there are plenty of idiotic threads about Bria, but nobody forced Prince to write and record some shitty album for her. The Org is a gossip site? Considering what you think of as "gossip", The Economist is gossip rag too. Who said anything was out of bounds Bart? We were talking about moderate posting instead of excess. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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BartVanHemelen said:[quote] Bohemian67 said: One would think the Org would be about discussing music, albums recordings etc (like Chronic Freeze did) but 70% of the time, it's people bashing Prince's output, his character, religion, way of doing business, or derogatory comments about his love life. It's more like a GOSSIP site, than a musician fan site.
BartVanHemelen said: 1. Prince is bashing his own output, simply by not promoting his albums and not playing songs from them. That's a FACT. You can theorize at length about this, but the FACT is that in the past he did play his latest music, and he hasn't done so for more than a decade (except for ONE time). He's had plenty of opportunities to play his latest music, and yet each time he doesn't.
The million dollar question is this Bart: why do you care? You are hiding behind a totally rationale point here...The problem is this has been a running theme for you....On a variety of subject matters when it comes to Prince...It doesn't stop there for you....In fact, it never stops.... BartVanHemelen said: 2. Prince's religion has always influenced his music, but particularly for the past decade, in which he's even "rewritten" songs from his past to align them with him becoming a JW. It's IMPOSSIBLE not o talk about his religion when it influences EVERYTHING he does.
Again...you are much too invested in the man's life...I think you forgot how to be a normal, well-adjusted fan....You enjoy the lane the Org mods has given you...But it's getting a little too much for some folks Bart.....A lot of the folks that have taken up for you in the past (including myself) have to feel like they created a monster....It's not just about Prince's religion for you.....You find everything under the sun to complain about the man....and when it gets to that point Bart? It's best just to walk away....Because Prince now has become an unhealthy obsession for you... BartVanHemelen said: 3. Discussing his idiotic business decisions WHICH DIRECTLY IMPACT FANS is out of bounds? WTF?
Impact fans how?...It only impacts fans if you are obsessive....The difference between criticizing Prince and being an obsessed fan doing the criticizing is this? A level headed fan calls out Prince for the LotusFlower site and understands that while such a move for charging fans $70 plus bucks a pop to become a member of a site that is pretty much a grave yard shows a lack of business man chops, you don't get so emotional about it to the point where you act like the guy committed murder... In other words...it aint that serious... An obsessed fan? Turns a rational criticism about Prince's website fuck up and turns it into a personal matter about the man's character as if he fucked your mother without kissing her goodbye...An obsessed fan doesn't understand that Prince didn't put a gun to any fan's head to spend $70 plus bucks a pop...I surely didn't pay for it...Because i knew the deal...lol BartVanHemelen said: 4. His love life: again, it's hard to not talk about this when it influences his music. Sure, there are plenty of idiotic threads about Bria, but nobody forced Prince to write and record some shitty album for her. The Org is a gossip site? Considering what you think of as "gossip", The Economist is gossip rag too.
Actually, I find your posts even more perplexing than the weird posts about who Prince is fucking....Because at least these folks have a reason to be here...It's a Prince-fan site right?....So you are going to get your share of wacky, gossipy threads...Par for the course... But you Bart? It's like me coming to a Stevie Wonder fan site and complaining in every thread how Stevie is not knocking it down like he used to...And that would be ok to a point...But then being you, I would take it further to more obsessive levels by going at Stevie for everything from the way he treats his band to him not performing new material live to him not not putting on a great live show to him living off his past...to him taking off his glasses while performing...because who wants to see a blind man's eyes, right? What you have then is this: I'm no longer a Stevie Wonder fan...So why am I even going to the site anymore? Oh I know why!...Because being the resident bad guy on the site gives me a feeling of superiority and makes me feel good about myself...Here i can look sane by calling out the loons of a Prince site...But in doing so, you've become polar opposite of the Prince loons.... No disrespect Bart....I think that initial post was all about you...This is not about fans who criticize Prince being out of bounds or censoring one self...It's about moderation..... and that's something you seem to lack... [Edited 11/8/09 12:38pm] | |
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Bohemian67 said: BartVanHemelen said: 1. Prince is bashing his own output, simply by not promoting his albums and not playing songs from them. That's a FACT. You can theorize at length about this, but the FACT is that in the past he did play his latest music, and he hasn't done so for more than a decade (except for ONE time). He's had plenty of opportunities to play his latest music, and yet each time he doesn't. 2. Prince's religion has always influenced his music, but particularly for the past decade, in which he's even "rewritten" songs from his past to align them with him becoming a JW. It's IMPOSSIBLE not o talk about his religion when it influences EVERYTHING he does. 3. Discussing his idiotic business decisions WHICH DIRECTLY IMPACT FANS is out of bounds? WTF? 4. His love life: again, it's hard to not talk about this when it influences his music. Sure, there are plenty of idiotic threads about Bria, but nobody forced Prince to write and record some shitty album for her. The Org is a gossip site? Considering what you think of as "gossip", The Economist is gossip rag too. Who said anything was out of bounds Bart? We were talking about moderate posting instead of excess. Indeed.... | |
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BartVanHemelen said: ladyleap2u said: There is so much HATE and negativity that it's sad.
Prince is reaping what he sowed. Some of us haven't blanked out what happened in 1996/97, for instance, when fans were pitched against fans. Wanna know where all this "hate" comes from? PRINCE. Simple as that. What was the 96/97 drama? | |
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Very interesting thread but far to sensible, this is not what I come to the org for, I come to hate on the Haters.
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Hey...We share the Planet with a man we love, and some of us are just glad to say so and let him know that we are around...Prince didn't bear his soul for nothing.
Making money doesn't come down to everything...A friend is free. A fan group should be like a circle of protection, an understanding that U don't have to hold up the emotional responsibility on your own. Some of us understand that it must be hard to be famous sometimes...It's a lot of responsibility. Being a fan is like being a spoke on an umbrella. Good Fans will keep you warm and dry...(Or soaking purple wet...right).. U know what I mean. I'd like to tell Prince I Love him 2day...Not 2morrow. I don't want to regret things I didn't do. [Edited 11/8/09 15:06pm] "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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If the more balanced Prince fans on this very thread posted topics that the more moderate Prince fans could talk about, this place could get balanced out. In my opinion, it serves no purpose to bash either side. It brings the attention to the "lovers" and the "haters" that they crave.
It's weird to me that the haters get criticized for hating a person they don't know but the lovers don't as much. Prince has said time and again that he does not want to be idolized. | |
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i agree with murph you have alot of moderate fans but some are just over the line crazy freakish prince fams who would gladly jump off a building if the man asked them to 
and despite what the crazy obessive "prince cant do no wrong" fans i say to just ignore them because they act like stubborn little babies who just dont get it their minds are too high on the purple meth and that we moderate fans address the topics first hand about any concerns we have against prince his bad business practices and the way hes been treating his fans lately($77 LotusFlower etc) thats all i gotta say  | |
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Genesia said: murph said: In everyday life you are correct.... On this site, it sure doesn't seem like it... Operative words - "seem like." There are many, many moderate Prince fans here. They just prefer to listen to the music and live their lives - rather than post about it all the time. Murph was right. If moderate fans (which I consider myself) don't comment/participate then they might as well not exist. In effect they becomed endangered. I'll often post just to add a little levity to a thread or a little sanity-- whatever the situation calls for. I'm rarely emotionally invested in the actual topic but I do care enough about this site to try and keep the peace (in my mind at least ). |
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Its a fan site, wtf
I don't know whats weirder, fans sharing their strong personal opinions, or someone making a thread chastising fans for having strong personal opinions. I think its crazy every which way you slice this anchovy pizza. [Edited 11/8/09 15:37pm] | |
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BartVanHemelen said: ladyleap2u said: There is so much HATE and negativity that it's sad.
Prince is reaping what he sowed. Some of us haven't blanked out what happened in 1996/97, for instance, when fans were pitched against fans. Wanna know where all this "hate" comes from? PRINCE. Simple as that. It's _____ that ppl would allow one man to generate all this hatred from them. (fill in the blanks )[Edited 11/8/09 15:41pm] I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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Bohemian67 said: Who said anything was out of bounds Bart?
YOU DID. I quoted you. Look: Bohemian67 said: One would think the Org would be about discussing music, albums recordings etc (like Chronic Freeze did) but 70% of the time, it's people bashing Prince's output, his character, religion, way of doing business, or derogatory comments about his love life. It's more like a GOSSIP site, than a musician fan site. © Bart Van Hemelen
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