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Reply #30 posted 11/05/09 11:51am

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ernestsewell said:

MattyJam said:

The Greatest Romance flopped because the promotion was a shambles and the deal with Arista went tits-up - not because the song is "drab."

Here in the UK, The Greatest Romance is probably the last of Prince's singles to get major radio airplay at the time of it's release. I remember hearing that song EVERYWHERE when it came out. They fucked up the single release by putting too many remixes on the CD, thus making it illegible for chart entry. They also failed to complete the music video while the song was getting radio airplay. This was why TGRES and Rave bombed. I actually think that song was his last chance at a big hit. It was beyond catchy, it sounded contemporary and yet different to everything else that was around. I think it was a massive wasted opportunity


The song is horrible, and a ridiculous choice as ANY single. The video took MONTHS to put out, and with such a horrible song as its muse, people couldn't have been less interested once it finally came out.

Don't give me that "too many remixes". A lot of artists have maxi singles with more remixes than TGRES had, and they chart a lot better than that song. It wasn't catchy, it was boring. Prince squarely blamed Arista for that, yet he couldn't take responsibility for once again choosing a horrible single. Remember that SOTT almost flopped because he released "If I Was Your Girlfriend" as a lead single, and people weren't interested. It was "U Got The Look" that put life back into the promotion of that album. Yes we see it as a classic now, but what if. I had a DJ friend at a radio station back home, and the whole station laughed at "Dinner With Delores". They couldn't believe someone as great as Prince would put a word like "brontosaurus" in a song, and they hated the song in general too, because it wasn't a good single. It's how I ended up with the promo single of the song...they gave it to me, saying they'd never play the song on the radio. And they didn't.

Rave could have been a bit more successful. He certain tried to promote it, but with no real plan to release any great singles, instead just playing random songs at different television appearances (then disappearing for the majority of 1999 until the PPV special), it failed. There were at least 3 or 4 other MUCH stronger songs to release as a lead single.


Well, taste is entirely subjective and I think TGRES was the perfect choice for the first single.

It's a FACT that the single was illigible for chart entry in Europe because of the amount of remixes, I didn't just make that up.

It was A-listed on constant rotation on the most popular radio station in the UK so some stations obviously recognised it as having hit potential.

You think Baby Knows and Everyday Is A Winding Road would've been good singles? What planet are you on?
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Reply #31 posted 11/05/09 11:52am

ernestsewell

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Do you not realize that we are in the middle of a recession? What P is doing maybe for the best until the economy turns around not to mention that being an independent artist is going to keep him off of mainstream radio and it is hard to get the masses to take an interest in music that is not being played on the radio therefore, it is hard to go out and perform a bunch of songs that the masses don’t even know anything about.


There is so much wrong w/ that statement, it's ridiculous, and HYSTERICAL!!!!

How the hell do you equate a bad economy with Prince playing the same fucking songs over and over for the past 10 years? How many times has he promoted "this is the last time I'm playing these songs to make room for the new ones"? MANY. He said that during Musicology, while on The Tonight Show. He's said that over and over. So bad economy? No. Going back on his word, and keeping w/ the same old hits over and over? Yes.

There's a big thing called PROMOTION, which Prince is horrible at. You're using some excuse about the masses not knowing his music because his music isn't on the radio? Promotion. Radio doesn't give a shit about Prince because he makes horribly dull music. If he really had all these millions of fans, he'd know he could play new material and at least half the audience would know it. Promotion. But no....he'll release a 3 CD set, not let the girl on the 3rd disk ever sing live, and all but ignore the whole 3 disk set over the course of the year. Promotion.

He's playing hits more than new songs, which means even he's more interested in the old stuff, than the new. No one is more bored w/ Prince's music than Prince.
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Reply #32 posted 11/05/09 11:54am

ernestsewell

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Who are you again?

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The only person who calls you out for what you are. My guess is you did not go to any of those shows and don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
But you keep walking around looking for Prince to give you something free.
(LOL). biggrin

You're being dumb again. Try not to do that, mmkay?

Every single show, and all but one after show, were recorded and leaked, as well as 3-5 DVDs of whole shows. I have ALL of that. So did I go? No. Do I know what he played? Yes, every single song. I have the DVD where he opened the show w/ "Planet Earth", as I've mentioned him doing over and over.

So you calling ME out? You just got served. Good try though, but.....FAIL for you.
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Reply #33 posted 11/05/09 11:58am

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laurarichardson said:

ernestsewell said:



It's simple why radio isn't interested in Prince beyond the same 10 songs.

1) He's older, and it's become an incredibly young market in the past 10 or 15 years. VERY young. When you have Miley Cyrus and younger charting songs, that sets the standard, rather than remaining as the exception. Hannah Montana was a pre-teen when those albums/TV show started making an impact.

2) His music isn't radio friendly. That doesn't mean it has to be generic, bland pop music (although really...that's what he's been making for years, oddly enough). It means it needs to be catchy, clever, and hooks you right off the bad. We scoff at having to listen to "When Doves Cry" again, but the fact is that song was catchy. It was clever w/ no bass. It was unusual because of the percussion and drum track. It lured you in from the moment he said "Dig if you will a picture, of u and I engaged in a kiss..." I mean...NO ONE else said shit like that, and said it LIKE that, in 1984! No one started a song with a church organ with "Dearly beloved...." at the beginning, then ended it with a screaming guitar solo. It was inventive, AND radio friendly. "Chocolate Box" isn't inventive or radio friendly. Fans love it because they're fans. They learn the songs, and they find some sort of enjoyment in his new music, yet radio scoffs at it. And for good reason.

3) Prince doesn't release singles or promotes his music the way he should. Arista tried w/ Rave, yet he INSISTED on putting out the rather drab "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold", a single that Clive Davis - a man that can executive produce a record from his shower stall and still have it sell 5 million copies - frowned upon. We ALL know Rave could have been a lot more successful with singles like "So Far So Pleased", "Everyday Is A Winding Road", "Baby Knows".

Prince might be bored with the music, but there's a bigger factor going on here: Prince is more about the bottom line at this point. When he told Tavis Smiley "I'm taken care of, and Bria is taken care of," that said to me, "I got paid, the rest I don't care about." And I was right. He got his lump sum payment, plus future royalties, of course, from sales. But he's gotten his money, despite sales. He made 2 average videos, never promoted them, and bitched when people tried to share or upload them on the web. And it's JUST been in the past couple of weeks that he's played something live, and played something from the album. His temporary #1 spot on the iTunes download charts proved that promotion WORKS. But even his 3 night run on The Tonight Show didn't do enough to do anything w/ the record past a month's time.

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" "I got paid, the rest I don't care about"

With the state that the music industry is in why would dude care about anything else. No matter what sort of promotion is done CDs are just not selling in large volumes anymore.

You may not like the reality of it all but Prince needs to focus on making money on his projects since the sales are going to be minimal no matter how much promotion he does.

People are simply not running out and purchasing music like they use to.


Unless it's worth buying.

"Owl City Takes Off and Sells 20,000 Albums and 60,000 Singles in First Week!
Scores All Time #2 iTunes Single of the Week with More Than 650,000 Downloads of “Fireflies”Collects 150,000 Views in 3 days of MySpace Video Premiere for “Fireflies”"

"A young musician from Owatonna who recorded his album on a computer in the basement of his parents' house continues to find big success in the music business. Adam Young, who records under the name Owl City, released his album "Ocean Eyes" at the end of July. By this month it has sold nearly 100,000 copies. The single "Fireflies" is a top seller on iTunes, and is climbing the Top 40 and alternative charts."

Someone is buying that.
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Reply #34 posted 11/05/09 12:01pm

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ernestsewell said:

laurarichardson said:


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The only person who calls you out for what you are. My guess is you did not go to any of those shows and don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
But you keep walking around looking for Prince to give you something free.
(LOL). biggrin

You're being dumb again. Try not to do that, mmkay?

Every single show, and all but one after show, were recorded and leaked, as well as 3-5 DVDs of whole shows. I have ALL of that. So did I go? No. Do I know what he played? Yes, every single song. I have the DVD where he opened the show w/ "Planet Earth", as I've mentioned him doing over and over.

So you calling ME out? You just got served. Good try though, but.....FAIL for you.

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No I was not trying to call you out I was asking you a question and instead of answer it you had to come back with a stupid comment. My question was not dumb your response was dumb.

I have a four disc set of the shows (CDs) but wondered unless you had a dvd of every show or went to every single show how in the world you would know how much guitar Prince was playing.

Try answering the question next time and not making your self look stupid. I realize that is hard when you honestly have invested so much of your time and money into an artist you don't really care for. biggrin
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Reply #35 posted 11/05/09 12:03pm

Gohi

laura we were talking about the SONG Guitar. Facepalm.
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Reply #36 posted 11/05/09 12:04pm

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Zannaloaf said:

laurarichardson said:


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" "I got paid, the rest I don't care about"

With the state that the music industry is in why would dude care about anything else. No matter what sort of promotion is done CDs are just not selling in large volumes anymore.

You may not like the reality of it all but Prince needs to focus on making money on his projects since the sales are going to be minimal no matter how much promotion he does.

People are simply not running out and purchasing music like they use to.


Unless it's worth buying.

"Owl City Takes Off and Sells 20,000 Albums and 60,000 Singles in First Week!
Scores All Time #2 iTunes Single of the Week with More Than 650,000 Downloads of “Fireflies”Collects 150,000 Views in 3 days of MySpace Video Premiere for “Fireflies”"

"A young musician from Owatonna who recorded his album on a computer in the basement of his parents' house continues to find big success in the music business. Adam Young, who records under the name Owl City, released his album "Ocean Eyes" at the end of July. By this month it has sold nearly 100,000 copies. The single "Fireflies" is a top seller on iTunes, and is climbing the Top 40 and alternative charts."

Someone is buying that.

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Do you have any idea how small that amount is compared to the records sales of the past? I am not going to argue my point about sales because you can goggle and find plenty of articles confirming what I am stating. Some people on this board have a hard time with reality.
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Reply #37 posted 11/05/09 12:06pm

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ernestsewell said:

laurarichardson said:

Do you not realize that we are in the middle of a recession? What P is doing maybe for the best until the economy turns around not to mention that being an independent artist is going to keep him off of mainstream radio and it is hard to get the masses to take an interest in music that is not being played on the radio therefore, it is hard to go out and perform a bunch of songs that the masses don’t even know anything about.


There is so much wrong w/ that statement, it's ridiculous, and HYSTERICAL!!!!

How the hell do you equate a bad economy with Prince playing the same fucking songs over and over for the past 10 years? How many times has he promoted "this is the last time I'm playing these songs to make room for the new ones"? MANY. He said that during Musicology, while on The Tonight Show. He's said that over and over. So bad economy? No. Going back on his word, and keeping w/ the same old hits over and over? Yes.

There's a big thing called PROMOTION, which Prince is horrible at. You're using some excuse about the masses not knowing his music because his music isn't on the radio? Promotion. Radio doesn't give a shit about Prince because he makes horribly dull music. If he really had all these millions of fans, he'd know he could play new material and at least half the audience would know it. Promotion. But no....he'll release a 3 CD set, not let the girl on the 3rd disk ever sing live, and all but ignore the whole 3 disk set over the course of the year. Promotion.

He's playing hits more than new songs, which means even he's more interested in the old stuff, than the new. No one is more bored w/ Prince's music than Prince.

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I was refering to P not doing full tours. As far as the same songs over and over again could be because that is what the masses want to hear.

People might be reluctant to go to a concert again if they do not hear music they are familar with.

Don't you think in bad economic times you want to please fans of your live music so they will come back next time around.
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Reply #38 posted 11/05/09 12:14pm

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ernestsewell said:


The number of times he played P.E. material over the course of 21 night, each night housing approximately 20 songs, is less than 1%.


Without wanting to out-geek myself, he deserves a little more credit than you give him for pushing certain PE tracks in London.

Planet Earth : 2 main shows + 1 aftershow
Guitar : 15 main shows + 2 aftershows
Somewhere Here On Earth : 5 main shows + 1 aftershow
The One U Wanna C : 2 aftershows
Chelsea Rodgers : 5 main shows + 3 aftershows
[Edited 11/5/09 12:15pm]
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Reply #39 posted 11/05/09 12:27pm

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thebumpsquad said:

ernestsewell said:


The number of times he played P.E. material over the course of 21 night, each night housing approximately 20 songs, is less than 1%.


Without wanting to out-geek myself, he deserves a little more credit than you give him for pushing certain PE tracks in London.

Planet Earth : 2 main shows + 1 aftershow
Guitar : 15 main shows + 2 aftershows
Somewhere Here On Earth : 5 main shows + 1 aftershow
The One U Wanna C : 2 aftershows
Chelsea Rodgers : 5 main shows + 3 aftershows
[Edited 11/5/09 12:15pm]


So out of 21 shows, he only performed four new tracks on the main shows and only one of them was a staple to the setlist (Guitar).

That doesn't say to me "I'm proud to perform my new music."
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Reply #40 posted 11/05/09 12:30pm

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ernestsewell said:

laurarichardson said:

Do you not realize that we are in the middle of a recession? What P is doing maybe for the best until the economy turns around not to mention that being an independent artist is going to keep him off of mainstream radio and it is hard to get the masses to take an interest in music that is not being played on the radio therefore, it is hard to go out and perform a bunch of songs that the masses don’t even know anything about.


There is so much wrong w/ that statement, it's ridiculous, and HYSTERICAL!!!!

How the hell do you equate a bad economy with Prince playing the same fucking songs over and over for the past 10 years? How many times has he promoted "this is the last time I'm playing these songs to make room for the new ones"? MANY. He said that during Musicology, while on The Tonight Show. He's said that over and over. So bad economy? No. Going back on his word, and keeping w/ the same old hits over and over? Yes.

There's a big thing called PROMOTION, which Prince is horrible at. You're using some excuse about the masses not knowing his music because his music isn't on the radio? Promotion. Radio doesn't give a shit about Prince because he makes horribly dull music. If he really had all these millions of fans, he'd know he could play new material and at least half the audience would know it. Promotion. But no....he'll release a 3 CD set, not let the girl on the 3rd disk ever sing live, and all but ignore the whole 3 disk set over the course of the year. Promotion.

He's playing hits more than new songs, which means even he's more interested in the old stuff, than the new. No one is more bored w/ Prince's music than Prince.

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"Prince because he makes horribly dull music"

That is your opinion you can't speak for everyone else. LotusFlower set did actually move some copies and probaly would moved a little bit more if P promoted it better but without radio play he could promo it for the next year and the sales are going to be limited. However, if he made an adequate amount of money off it and has no record company to answer to so be it.

Maybe just maybe P is happy doing business in this matter. If he makes a profit off of the CD, gets to charge high ass prices for his shows that actually sell so what.

Why is it bad for Prince to not fill his shows with new music and not the Rolling Stones? Why is it okay for other artist to do covers in their shows and not Prince.

Some of you guys act like you have a personal vested interest in how P runs his business
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Reply #41 posted 11/05/09 12:30pm

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I don't know if Prince is bored but I would be bored if I went to a concert and heard too much new stuff. That takes time to settle into people's rhythms. A small portion fine but no more than that. Nice that he introduces it and even asks "if I may," I think that's a sensitive way to handle it.
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Reply #42 posted 11/05/09 12:33pm

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Don't you think in bad economic times you want to please fans of your live music so they will come back next time around.


It didn't stop him from releasing a very expensive perfume when we were on the cusp of a recession in 2007. It doesn't stop him from putting out a $2500 iPod and putting it in a fancy purse. Economy my ass.
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Reply #43 posted 11/05/09 12:34pm

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I don't know if Prince is bored but I would be bored if I went to a concert and heard too much new stuff. That takes time to settle into people's rhythms. A small portion fine but no more than that. Nice that he introduces it and even asks "if I may," I think that's a sensitive way to handle it.

That theory doesn't hold up. He played the whole PR album on the PR tour. He played most all of the Parade album on the Hit N Run Tour, plus 3 or 4 songs (varying) from ATWIAD on the same tour. He played a very good chunk of SOTT on that tour. He played all the Lovesexy album on that tour. He played most of the D&P album on that tour. The list goes on with NEW material on a tour, which is what a tour is for, to promote the NEW album, as well as playing the hits. He is unbalanced in this.
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Reply #44 posted 11/05/09 12:35pm

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You're being dumb again. Try not to do that, mmkay?

Every single show, and all but one after show, were recorded and leaked, as well as 3-5 DVDs of whole shows. I have ALL of that. So did I go? No. Do I know what he played? Yes, every single song. I have the DVD where he opened the show w/ "Planet Earth", as I've mentioned him doing over and over.

So you calling ME out? You just got served. Good try though, but.....FAIL for you.

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No I was not trying to call you out I was asking you a question and instead of answer it you had to come back with a stupid comment. My question was not dumb your response was dumb.

I have a four disc set of the shows (CDs) but wondered unless you had a dvd of every show or went to every single show how in the world you would know how much guitar Prince was playing.

Try answering the question next time and not making your self look stupid. I realize that is hard when you honestly have invested so much of your time and money into an artist you don't really care for. biggrin

I answered it. I have every single show that was recorded either in audio or video.
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Reply #45 posted 11/05/09 12:38pm

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Will Prince make an album that is received well, promoted well and becomes a hit with people young and old? Multiple hit singles?

Probably not, but we all seem to be hoping for it.
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Reply #46 posted 11/05/09 12:39pm

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Bohemian67 said:

I don't know if Prince is bored but I would be bored if I went to a concert and heard too much new stuff. That takes time to settle into people's rhythms. A small portion fine but no more than that. Nice that he introduces it and even asks "if I may," I think that's a sensitive way to handle it.


Introducing new songs to a setlist sensitively would be three or four new songs PER show, not three or four new songs performed occasionally over an entire tour...
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Reply #47 posted 11/05/09 12:41pm

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ernestsewell said:


The number of times he played P.E. material over the course of 21 night, each night housing approximately 20 songs, is less than 1%.


Without wanting to out-geek myself, he deserves a little more credit than you give him for pushing certain PE tracks in London.

Planet Earth : 2 main shows + 1 aftershow
Guitar : 15 main shows + 2 aftershows
Somewhere Here On Earth : 5 main shows + 1 aftershow
The One U Wanna C : 2 aftershows
Chelsea Rodgers : 5 main shows + 3 aftershows
[Edited 11/5/09 12:15pm]


Let me out geek u - The One U Wanna C was also sung on the first night albeit with just the lyrics - great memories although I felt I was the only one in the crowd who recognised the tune in my section!

But IMHO back in the day the tours were great promotion for the new albums SOTT, Lovesexy, Parade etc. with the new material taking up more than 50%. That's what was also so great about the Ultimate Experience and ONA.

But now even going to one off shows at Paris, I still don't see the new material being at the forefront.

I would love a Paris show packed with live versions of Dreamer, Dance with Me, No More Candy, Colonised Mind, $, The Word, The Dance, Fury, Feel Better, Ol Skool, Crimson and Clover instead of the odd song here and there on occasional nights.

But despite this I will never forget how badly the song Planet Earth went down during the London O2 shows.....it was like someone had given a sedative to the crowd.
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Reply #48 posted 11/05/09 12:42pm

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shonenjoe said:

Will Prince make an album that is received well, promoted well and becomes a hit with people young and old? Multiple hit singles?

Probably not, but we all seem to be hoping for it.

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The real question is why? Are any other older artist selling 10 million copies now a days? You guys are setting the bar much to high
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Reply #49 posted 11/05/09 12:44pm

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MattyJam said:

Bohemian67 said:

I don't know if Prince is bored but I would be bored if I went to a concert and heard too much new stuff. That takes time to settle into people's rhythms. A small portion fine but no more than that. Nice that he introduces it and even asks "if I may," I think that's a sensitive way to handle it.


Introducing new songs to a setlist sensitively would be three or four new songs PER show, not three or four new songs performed occasionally over an entire tour...

Yet back in the day, Prince performed a whole NEW album throughout the course of a show. Purple Rain, Controversy, 1999, Dirty Mind, Parade/ATWIAD, Lovesexy, SOTT, D&P, prince....etc Nowadays? Eh. Why do fans give him an out or an excuse to NOT play new material? If he's not going to play a lot of new material to promote an album, don't name the tour after the album. It's a lie.
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Reply #50 posted 11/05/09 1:45pm

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ernestsewell said:

MattyJam said:



Introducing new songs to a setlist sensitively would be three or four new songs PER show, not three or four new songs performed occasionally over an entire tour...

Yet back in the day, Prince performed a whole NEW album throughout the course of a show. Purple Rain, Controversy, 1999, Dirty Mind, Parade/ATWIAD, Lovesexy, SOTT, D&P, prince....etc Nowadays? Eh. Why do fans give him an out or an excuse to NOT play new material? If he's not going to play a lot of new material to promote an album, don't name the tour after the album. It's a lie.



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Reply #51 posted 11/05/09 1:49pm

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People dog Madonna, but she tours regularly (well, since she found her mojo in 2001) with a show which is centered around her newest release. Like it or not, you'll hear the new material, alongside the "classics" which have been reinvented, regurgitated and basterdised into oblivion.

Prince needs to follow her lead and do his own Confessions tour in a leotard and heels.
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Reply #52 posted 11/05/09 1:51pm

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ernestsewell said:

MattyJam said:



Introducing new songs to a setlist sensitively would be three or four new songs PER show, not three or four new songs performed occasionally over an entire tour...

Yet back in the day, Prince performed a whole NEW album throughout the course of a show. Purple Rain, Controversy, 1999, Dirty Mind, Parade/ATWIAD, Lovesexy, SOTT, D&P, prince....etc Nowadays? Eh. Why do fans give him an out or an excuse to NOT play new material? If he's not going to play a lot of new material to promote an album, don't name the tour after the album. It's a lie.


I completely agree.

And for the record, I think it's really sad if Prince isn't interested in the art of making albums anymore. His last few releases have seemed so thrown together and giving them away for free at concerts or with tabloid newspapers only reinforces this perception.

Say what you want about his 90's albums, but in spite of their obvious flaws at least Prince actually gave a shit about them.
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Reply #53 posted 11/05/09 4:40pm

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MattyJam said:[quote]Since Musicology onwards he has only ever performed a small handful of his new material in his live shows, opting to perform the same tired hits and even cover versions over his new material. This doesn't show a great deal of faith in his new work.

Try going back to Emancipation, that's when he started only playing a few songs from a new cd. I've said it before and some peeps think that by playing 4-5-6 songs from a new cd is a lot, they must not have been around for years prior to that. Well personally, I'm glad he doesn't play a lot of the new stuff. It sucks IMO, and apparently to a lot of other peeps on here. Love me some old Prince though! lol
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Reply #54 posted 11/05/09 4:52pm

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thebumpsquad said:

During the 21 Nights stint, he played Planet Earth, Guitar, Somewhere Here On Earth, The One U Wanna C and Chelsea Rodgers. That's 5 tracks from a 10 track album.


How often? Lemme guess: RARELY.

Now look up a SOTT era gig and look at how much new stuff he was playing then. Or a Parade one. Or a Purple rain one. Or a 1999 one. Or a Lovesexy one. Or one from his 1994/95 gigs.
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Reply #55 posted 11/05/09 4:57pm

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MattyJam said:

They fucked up the single release by putting too many remixes on the CD, thus making it illegible for chart entry.


So? Madonna's "Music" had so many remixes it took TWO FULL CDs to collect them all.
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Reply #56 posted 11/05/09 5:01pm

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thebumpsquad said:

ernestsewell said:


The number of times he played P.E. material over the course of 21 night, each night housing approximately 20 songs, is less than 1%.


Without wanting to out-geek myself, he deserves a little more credit than you give him for pushing certain PE tracks in London.

Planet Earth : 2 main shows + 1 aftershow
Guitar : 15 main shows + 2 aftershows
Somewhere Here On Earth : 5 main shows + 1 aftershow
The One U Wanna C : 2 aftershows
Chelsea Rodgers : 5 main shows + 3 aftershows
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That list is beyond pathetic.
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Reply #57 posted 11/05/09 5:29pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

thebumpsquad said:

During the 21 Nights stint, he played Planet Earth, Guitar, Somewhere Here On Earth, The One U Wanna C and Chelsea Rodgers. That's 5 tracks from a 10 track album.


How often? Lemme guess: RARELY.

Now look up a SOTT era gig and look at how much new stuff he was playing then. Or a Parade one. Or a Purple rain one. Or a 1999 one. Or a Lovesexy one. Or one from his 1994/95 gigs.


You are preaching to the converted. I get it. I understand, but it is what it is.
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Reply #58 posted 11/05/09 6:04pm

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Prince should listen to himself when he says stuff. There is a reason why radio stations don't play his material. Hmm, I wonder why that could be?


It's simple why radio isn't interested in Prince beyond the same 10 songs.

1) He's older, and it's become an incredibly young market in the past 10 or 15 years. VERY young. When you have Miley Cyrus and younger charting songs, that sets the standard, rather than remaining as the exception. Hannah Montana was a pre-teen when those albums/TV show started making an impact.

2) His music isn't radio friendly. That doesn't mean it has to be generic, bland pop music (although really...that's what he's been making for years, oddly enough). It means it needs to be catchy, clever, and hooks you right off the bad. We scoff at having to listen to "When Doves Cry" again, but the fact is that song was catchy. It was clever w/ no bass. It was unusual because of the percussion and drum track. It lured you in from the moment he said "Dig if you will a picture, of u and I engaged in a kiss..." I mean...NO ONE else said shit like that, and said it LIKE that, in 1984! No one started a song with a church organ with "Dearly beloved...." at the beginning, then ended it with a screaming guitar solo. It was inventive, AND radio friendly. "Chocolate Box" isn't inventive or radio friendly. Fans love it because they're fans. They learn the songs, and they find some sort of enjoyment in his new music, yet radio scoffs at it. And for good reason.

3) Prince doesn't release singles or promotes his music the way he should. Arista tried w/ Rave, yet he INSISTED on putting out the rather drab "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold", a single that Clive Davis - a man that can executive produce a record from his shower stall and still have it sell 5 million copies - frowned upon. We ALL know Rave could have been a lot more successful with singles like "So Far So Pleased", "Everyday Is A Winding Road", "Baby Knows".

Prince might be bored with the music, but there's a bigger factor going on here: Prince is more about the bottom line at this point. When he told Tavis Smiley "I'm taken care of, and Bria is taken care of," that said to me, "I got paid, the rest I don't care about." And I was right. He got his lump sum payment, plus future royalties, of course, from sales. But he's gotten his money, despite sales. He made 2 average videos, never promoted them, and bitched when people tried to share or upload them on the web. And it's JUST been in the past couple of weeks that he's played something live, and played something from the album. His temporary #1 spot on the iTunes download charts proved that promotion WORKS. But even his 3 night run on The Tonight Show didn't do enough to do anything w/ the record past a month's time.



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Reply #59 posted 11/05/09 7:08pm

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Prince is going to play what he wants when he wants to. All we can do is either support him by purchasing a ticket or not support him by declining to do so. If you feel he's been playing the same songs ever since the year 2000 then why do you insist on going to every show. Prince sold out 21 nights at the O2 and that's because he could draw that many fans regardless of what he performed. Why would anyone bored with his performances then seek out all of the bootlegs and video after the fact. Prince has always put on a fantatsic show for his audience and that's more than a lot of artists do nowadays. We all as fans pore over every video, boot, single, photo, blurb concerning Prince because none of us is truly bored yet. Face the facts, none of us ever will be.
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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