funkyhead said:

Word magazine put Prince ont he cover: WORST selling issue they had in 100 issues, although maybe the issue that had Dido on the cover did even worse. There was another mag that had said the same, can't remember which one. Mojo? Uncut?

funkyhead said:

Bwahahaha. Which lasted how long? Six months? Pffft, you pretend he's been in the spotlight constantly since then -- yet every other year he's making a "comeback" which then of course never amounts to anything.

Just answer me this: if writing Prince books is so lucrative, how come Per Nilsen hasn't been releasing one every couple of years?

FACT: music books are a dying breed. Especially ones on subjects that haven't been popular in ages.

FACT: the Prince collectors' market has collapsed YEARS ago.

All of this pissing about and it's obvious that not one of you has bothered to contact the author.

Mong said:

Do you have an email address that I can use to contact the author? I couldn't find it.

BartVanHemelen said:

No, I am not. I'm simply stating facts. I just compared yesterday how different Prince albums did on the German charts. Musicology, 3121 and Planet Earth all entered the top 10, The Vault didn't. I remember back in the 90s that Emancipation did fairly o.k. for a 3 CD set, not brilliant, but not utterly bad either, but I can't remember seeing Crystal Ball on the charts when it finally came to stores. The Black Album almost vanished without notice, although it's one of the most famous bootlegs in pop history, even Come got more public attention.

Again: I'm simply stating facts. If you call that "deluded", then it surely says much more about you than about me or the content of my post.

BartVanHemelen said:

errr, 21 sold out nights at the 02, the totally raved about Superbowl, Rock n roll hall of fame, the sold out musicology tour, new acts starting to reference him again,clearly also making a tonne of $ etc, yeah what a crap comeback!. Who would have thought at the end of say 2002 / ONA tour that he would have achieved half of what he has done over the last 5 years. It is a fact that over this period he has achieved what many others do over a longer career span, this is in the context of facts and figures and not based on the quality of his music!. [that's a whole other debate lol!]
Also in terms of mags that supposedly sell poorly with his face on the cover, you have given next to nothing by way of example in comparison to the large amount of covers / articles he has had since 2004. Now unless you are prepared to email the likes of rolling stone, vibe, USA today, the daily mail etc and deliver some proper circulation figures please stop nit picking.[By the way I would do the research but i can't be arsed! ]
There is no pretence whatsoever about a 'comeback', simply put he is firmly in the spotlight on his terms, like it or not. We all know he gets bored easily and clealy has the attention span of a knat [no offence to any knats who are reading this!] but when he needs the attention he gets it i.e. who else would fuck around with A.I., who else could pull off 3 consecutive nights on Jay Lenno[and do not argue that this is because they are mates].
I think you get my point, by the way I totally agree with your factual point that printed media has had its day.
Also , for the record please do not put me in the same category as an ass kisser as I think we share many of the same frustrations!.

funkyhead said:

How many comebacks has he had in the past 10 years? The Superbowl was gonna be his big return... and then NOTHING happened. Over and over again.

funkyhead said:

Word said it themselves.

funkyhead said:

Please, list me all of those covers. I'd imagine he'd be front and center at least once a year, since putting Prince on the front of mags is so lucrative.

funkyhead said:

Dude, he's NOWHERE. NOWHERE. Nobody gives a shit.

funkyhead said:

Yeah, no band has ever done that before. Except plenty have.

So he's pulled a couple of LAME STUNTS. Wanna know what would be relevant: if he'd be on such shows REGULARLY performing his latest HIT. Now guess why that hasn't happened.

BartVanHemelen said:

You mean, just like Trent Reznor performs his numerous recent hits on famous TV shows, right...?

BartVanHemelen said:

I think we need to agree to diasgree on what our perceptions of a comeback consists of otherwise we could argue till the cows came home and still not find common ground!. Lets put it this way, i wish i'd earned as much as he has since 04![wonder how much of he it he's managed to keep hold of!] In terms of hits though , come on we know how radio works and he amongst many will not be played; you think if he released Kiss, LRC or SOTT today that he'd get airplay?, no chance. The only feasable way to judge if he's still relevant to the public is, IMHO if he can still put bums on seats when he tours and that shows no sign of slowing down. All that aside I still think the org would be a poorer place without you so keep kickin' ass!. Must dash to get the sick bucket as Chocolate Box has just started to play on my Ipod!.[some things I think we can agree on lol!]

EmancipationLover said:

Trent isn't a pop star, FYI.

funkyhead said:

It's not a comeback if he has another one a year later. Go ahead, look how often Prince has mad a comeback in the past ten years. New album? "Comeback!" High-profile performance? "Comeback!" Etcetera.

funkyhead said:

So Prince is "relevant" because concerts where he plays music he recorded 20+ years ago draw sizable crowds? Be serious.

BartVanHemelen said:

One could discuss if Prince is one...

This book is due for release 30 Dec 2009 if anyone is interested

BartVanHemelen said:

He didn't "draw sizable crowds", he sold a number of tickets equvalent to the whole Glastonbury festival within 30 minutes or so. And twice the Glastonbury festival with the complete O2 concert series.

There probably isn't a scientific definition of what makes a pop musician "relevant", so at the end of the day, it is a matter of personal opinion. If record sales and hits are your parameter, then enjoy your relevant Lady Gaga, I will stick to the irrelevant Prince.

BartVanHemelen said:

Final word on the subjct from me!: 'comeback' is a term that is used often in marketing speak, Robbie Williams current pile of desperate dross = touted as a comeback, Green Days last CD copying everything from the CD before = touted as a comeback etc, we hear it all the time. In terms of P I don't hear the term 'comeback' mentioned that often [apart from 2004s musicology hype] in the context of say a new CD or new tour?. I hope that you will correct me on this for any post Musicology projects. also isn't the term 'comeback' used by lazy media outlets rather than his PR pushing out the 'comeback' line?.
In terms of 'relevance' what is anymore?, when the lead singer from Radiohead prasied P for his Brits performace [i think words to the effect of P embarrasing everyone and showing them how its done] and of course listening to clear and obvious rip off sounds that JT and Kaye West use. Then of course there are countless muscians, producers young and old who speak in almost reverential terms about P, in fact aside from Trents Rez's recent negative quote I don't think I have heard a bad word said about P by fellow professionals [aside from those who have worked with him!!]. I have also lost count this year of how many times P is referenced in Album reviews with new journalists which I find quite interesting. So in terms of relevance I do find it hard to understand how you would define the word in the context of P?

LittleNicci said:

thanks for getting the thread right back on track!.I'll thankyou coz Bart won't!!

LittleNicci said:

We will see. I won't hold my breath, though. There have already been about three other street dates.

I just received a cancellation from Amazon saying it wasn't going to be available.

Hopefully that December date will materialize.

BartVanHemelen said:

Prince in the Studio (1975-1995): Volume One (Paperback)
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Offering an inside look into the multigenerational career of a funk-pop superstar, this definitive, exciting study of Prince’s musical catalog grants behind-the-scenes access to the writing and recording details behind such massively successful albums as 1999, Diamonds and Pearls, and Purple Rain. From the Purple One’s preteen mastery of the piano and guitar to his proficiency with 31 musical instruments at the time of his record deal—when he was merely 19—and proceeding through the 1980s when he was one of the biggest stars on the planet, this retrospective features interviews with former band members, studio engineers, and childhood friends to form the most complete document of Prince’s creative endeavors to date. The full stories behind such hit songs as “Little Red Corvette,” “When Doves Cry,” and “Kiss” are included, plus additional facts to help round out this fascinating exploration into the exciting, influential, and sexualized hybrid of rock, pop, and funk that can be exclusively attributed to the artist known as Prince.



About the Author

Jake Brown is the owner of the hard rock label Versailles Records and the author of more than a dozen books, including Dr. Dre in the Studio; Ready to Die: The Story of Biggie Smalls (Notorious B.I.G.); Red Hot Chili Peppers: In the Studio; and Suge Knight: The Rise, Fall and Rise of Death Row Records. He lives in Nashville, Tennessee.


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Paperback: 184 pages
Publisher: Amber Communications Group, Inc. (June 1, 2009)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0979097665
ISBN-13: 978-0979097669
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #8,280,390 in Books (See Bestsellers in Books)

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Sorry to say that this release through the current publisher is not going to happen (was able to contact him on MySpace). The author is working on getting a new publisher, so keep your eyes open for it in 2010. I'm sure it will be a great read.

funkyhead said:

Comeback is entirely a media term and perception and its ludicrous that Bart is using this as any sort of argument. In fact, I remember once in interview when Prince was asked about his "comeback" and he replied that he'd never been away. Prince doesn't define them as comebacks, the media does.

And how the media get this wrong - do you know how many times I was sick of reading a journo refer to MJ's "This is It" (the clue is in the title!) as a COMEBACK tour?!!! Loads - how was it ever a comeback tour? It was a FINAL tour - Jackson even said that himself. That is how wrong and lazy the media are. (in much the same way as they tirelessly used "world's greatest musician" instead of entertainer - I mean, musician? That's not what Jackson was best known for, was it?)

And its how lazy Bart is being, barfing on about Prince being "nowhere", yet he's still maintaining a successful career, selling out concerts and still making the news etc Who really is "nowhere" Bart? Someone who's career is being a bitch on the org?

LittleNicci said:

Source?

Mindflux said:

And another one who can't read.

Mindflux said:

Or his fans. Which was what I was reacting to. Superbowl? "Comeback!" 21 Nights? "Comeback!" And on and on and on. I'm quoting FANS here.

Mindflux said:

It's a fraction of what it was and what it could have been/should have been.

plymouthavenuenorth said:

Yet more evidence on how "lucrative" writing books about Prince is.

Now let's wait until some delusional fans spin this into a "bidding war".

Got this from amazon.com on 10/7/09:


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