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Love2tha9s

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In a Large Room With No Light

I just finished listening to a pretty clear version of this song and was just wondering what most people love about it so much? I mean I believe i've heard it was the horns and yeah they are fine on here I suppose but to me at least it seems like i've heard better hornwork on some other songs.

So for those of you who really like it why do you like it so much?

Not being a smart ass or anything but I seriously just would like to know.
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Reply #1 posted 06/06/09 11:21am

ernestsewell

It's Prince being manic, but controlled. The lyrics are plentiful, and it's just unusual for a Prince song. twocents
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Reply #2 posted 06/06/09 12:44pm

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I think it's because it's a little strange, would love to see this releaed, strange that he would perform it at the launch gig for LF at the Nokia, i wonder how different it was, i keep hoping it was a nod to us that we'll see some cool stuff this year, who knows!


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Reply #3 posted 06/06/09 2:04pm

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...because it's like "Mountains" taken to the next level...
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Reply #4 posted 06/06/09 3:18pm

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It's just a really unique groove - listen to the interplay between the bass and drums. Too funky. The lyrics are also on point, and it has a fantastically out-there lead-line (the horns / "la la la la" bit). And then there's that final monotonous groove that sounds like a skipping record with Prince's layered vocals coming in over top... man the more I type the more I just wanna go pull this out and listen to it again cool
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Reply #5 posted 06/06/09 4:06pm

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I don't.
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Reply #6 posted 06/06/09 4:12pm

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I have never liked this song, and cant understand what all the fuss is about.
Would people care about it so much if it had of been released?
I think its a case of "the grass is greener"

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Reply #7 posted 06/06/09 6:10pm

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I love the musical style, definately a favorite of mine,
Might have been a Bside to the Dream Factory
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Reply #8 posted 06/06/09 6:14pm

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flipped off nod
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Reply #9 posted 06/06/09 10:26pm

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I really wish I could give a long, detailed description of why this song is damn near one of my most favorite outtake, but I can't. It just is. I've felt this way since I first heard it, too - back when Prince was still cussin' and singin' about doin' it.
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Reply #10 posted 06/06/09 10:30pm

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It's a cool song, but not one of my favorites. It's not like its "Moonbeam Levels" or anything.
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Reply #11 posted 06/07/09 3:18am

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Dug this up.

So is orger Madhouseman the author Jake Brown? http://www.amazon.com/Pri...pd_sim_b_1

Either way, I'm really looking forward to this book.

madhouseman said:
Not that you asked, but here is a little background on the creation of this track:

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It was May of 1986 and Prince was going thru a period of renewal and change. Parade, his latest album was just released to good reviews and the first single, KISS, was #1 on the charts. At #2 was The Bangles MANIC MONDAY, which was also written by Prince, so he his professional life was going well. The second single, MOUNTAINS, was about to be released, and the world was waiting for his 2nd movie, “Under The Cherry Moon”. Not one to ever rest on his laurels, Prince had already begun creating his next project. The previous weeks had him holed up in Minneapolis, where he was recording a great deal and trying not to focus on the demise of his relationship with Susannah Melvoin. She had recently moved out of his home in Minneapolis and he decided to fly to Los Angeles and bury himself in his recording.

Saturday, May 3, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound, Los Angeles

Prince asked his engineer Coke Johnson to set up the studio for a new batch of recordings. Because the Revolution was rehearsing and touring together during much of this period, they were invited into the studio.

Coke arrived at the studio at 11:30 and began the set up for a band recording, but it wasn’t until 4 that people started showing up. During group jams, it wasn't uncommon for Prince and whoever was invited in the studio to just groove and record the entire session. Sometimes Prince would be inspired, sometimes he would hear something amazing and that would dictate the direction of the session. It was not an exact science and sometimes people got left off of credits, depending on Prince's mood and generosity. On other occasions, a familiar song would come up in the groove and everyone would start focusing on recording a cover of that song. On this day, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E., Levi Seacer Jr., Eric Leeds, and Matt Blistan joined Prince to work on the classic song “Get On Up” by The Esquires (from their 1967 release on Bunky Records). After laying down the familiar jam, Prince led them into recording a new jazz-fusion song called “In A Large Room With No Light” (sometimes inaccurately referred to as “Welcome 2 The Ratrace”). The song was based on a jam by Wendy and Lisa.

Eric Leeds remembered this session:
“We also did … another song that Wendy and Lisa...we recorded live with Wendy and Lisa. I cannot remember whether Levi was there, I want to believe he was. Sheila played drums, the vocals, the background vocals were done by Sheila and Wendy and Lisa. Susannah might have been there but I don't remember. The horns were myself, Matt Blisston, and Norbert Stachel, who was Sheila's saxophone player by now, Eddie M having left. He was there for that session, playing alto sax, for a song called "Have you ever felt that love was like looking for a penny in a large room with no light”. It is like....Prince does Fifth Dimension. It was one of my favorite songs we ever did. It was an absolutely wonderful performance live, Sheila just absolutely kicked butt on it, it was just a great song, and unlike anything Prince has ever done. Very unique song, and a great song. It was another one of those cases where I thought, just really felt that we were part of something special on that one. And that's a song that I really hope sees the light of day some time, personally."

The recordings took place until midnight.

Sunday, May 4, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound

Prince asked various members of the Revolution to show up for overdubs for yesterday’s session. Prince also included Sheila’s band member, Norbert Stachel to record various saxophone overdubs. From 3pm to midnight, additional layers were added to GET ON UP and to IN A LARGE ROOM WITH NO LIGHT. Prince and Coke spent the next 5 hours mixing the tracks.

At 5 in the morning, Prince realized the mixes were missing some additional vocals so he spent the next 7 hours adding his vocals as well as other background vocals to the tracks. If you listen closely to LARGE ROOM, you can hear the layered vocals behind the busy track.

Monday, May 5, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound

The session didn’t stop. It was not uncommon for Prince to continue for hours at a time if he felt like he had a mission. This was one of those instances. From noon to 2:30 pm, Prince spent the time mixing the new vocals into the song and copying them on to cassette (2 TDK C-60 tapes).

Prince left the studio for a short time but soon afterwards, asked to be set up for some additional mixing. Apparently he wasn’t completely happy with the songs once he played them in the car and wanted to continue working on them. Although Coke set up for the next session, Susan Rogers was called in to take over for Coke now that he had been in the studio for over 24 hours straight.

Prince showed back up just after 8pm and he and Susan spent the next 5 hours working on crossfades and edits in the tracks.

Prince would continue to tweak the track over the next few days, eventually adding it to the collection he was compiling called “Dream Factory” but that is another story for another day.

- this information is from an early draft of PRINCE: The Studio Sessions.


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Reply #12 posted 06/07/09 3:43am

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squirrelgrease said:

Dug this up.

So is orger Madhouseman the author Jake Brown? http://www.amazon.com/Pri...pd_sim_b_1

Either way, I'm really looking forward to this book.

madhouseman said:
Not that you asked, but here is a little background on the creation of this track:

---
It was May of 1986 and Prince was going thru a period of renewal and change. Parade, his latest album was just released to good reviews and the first single, KISS, was #1 on the charts. At #2 was The Bangles MANIC MONDAY, which was also written by Prince, so he his professional life was going well. The second single, MOUNTAINS, was about to be released, and the world was waiting for his 2nd movie, “Under The Cherry Moon”. Not one to ever rest on his laurels, Prince had already begun creating his next project. The previous weeks had him holed up in Minneapolis, where he was recording a great deal and trying not to focus on the demise of his relationship with Susannah Melvoin. She had recently moved out of his home in Minneapolis and he decided to fly to Los Angeles and bury himself in his recording.

Saturday, May 3, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound, Los Angeles

Prince asked his engineer Coke Johnson to set up the studio for a new batch of recordings. Because the Revolution was rehearsing and touring together during much of this period, they were invited into the studio.

Coke arrived at the studio at 11:30 and began the set up for a band recording, but it wasn’t until 4 that people started showing up. During group jams, it wasn't uncommon for Prince and whoever was invited in the studio to just groove and record the entire session. Sometimes Prince would be inspired, sometimes he would hear something amazing and that would dictate the direction of the session. It was not an exact science and sometimes people got left off of credits, depending on Prince's mood and generosity. On other occasions, a familiar song would come up in the groove and everyone would start focusing on recording a cover of that song. On this day, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E., Levi Seacer Jr., Eric Leeds, and Matt Blistan joined Prince to work on the classic song “Get On Up” by The Esquires (from their 1967 release on Bunky Records). After laying down the familiar jam, Prince led them into recording a new jazz-fusion song called “In A Large Room With No Light” (sometimes inaccurately referred to as “Welcome 2 The Ratrace”). The song was based on a jam by Wendy and Lisa.

Eric Leeds remembered this session:
“We also did … another song that Wendy and Lisa...we recorded live with Wendy and Lisa. I cannot remember whether Levi was there, I want to believe he was. Sheila played drums, the vocals, the background vocals were done by Sheila and Wendy and Lisa. Susannah might have been there but I don't remember. The horns were myself, Matt Blisston, and Norbert Stachel, who was Sheila's saxophone player by now, Eddie M having left. He was there for that session, playing alto sax, for a song called "Have you ever felt that love was like looking for a penny in a large room with no light”. It is like....Prince does Fifth Dimension. It was one of my favorite songs we ever did. It was an absolutely wonderful performance live, Sheila just absolutely kicked butt on it, it was just a great song, and unlike anything Prince has ever done. Very unique song, and a great song. It was another one of those cases where I thought, just really felt that we were part of something special on that one. And that's a song that I really hope sees the light of day some time, personally."

The recordings took place until midnight.

Sunday, May 4, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound

Prince asked various members of the Revolution to show up for overdubs for yesterday’s session. Prince also included Sheila’s band member, Norbert Stachel to record various saxophone overdubs. From 3pm to midnight, additional layers were added to GET ON UP and to IN A LARGE ROOM WITH NO LIGHT. Prince and Coke spent the next 5 hours mixing the tracks.

At 5 in the morning, Prince realized the mixes were missing some additional vocals so he spent the next 7 hours adding his vocals as well as other background vocals to the tracks. If you listen closely to LARGE ROOM, you can hear the layered vocals behind the busy track.

Monday, May 5, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound

The session didn’t stop. It was not uncommon for Prince to continue for hours at a time if he felt like he had a mission. This was one of those instances. From noon to 2:30 pm, Prince spent the time mixing the new vocals into the song and copying them on to cassette (2 TDK C-60 tapes).

Prince left the studio for a short time but soon afterwards, asked to be set up for some additional mixing. Apparently he wasn’t completely happy with the songs once he played them in the car and wanted to continue working on them. Although Coke set up for the next session, Susan Rogers was called in to take over for Coke now that he had been in the studio for over 24 hours straight.

Prince showed back up just after 8pm and he and Susan spent the next 5 hours working on crossfades and edits in the tracks.

Prince would continue to tweak the track over the next few days, eventually adding it to the collection he was compiling called “Dream Factory” but that is another story for another day.

- this information is from an early draft of PRINCE: The Studio Sessions.


http://prince.org/msg/7/269370




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Reply #13 posted 06/07/09 4:51am

Sophianestesia

So, what is the actual title of the song?

- In a large room with no light

- Life is like looking for a penny in a large room with no light

- Life
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Reply #14 posted 06/07/09 5:17am

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Sophianestesia said:

So, what is the actual title of the song?

- In a large room with no light

- Life is like looking for a penny in a large room with no light

- Life


That one.
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Reply #15 posted 06/07/09 5:45am

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I love the exhuberant energy of this cut
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Reply #16 posted 06/07/09 6:27am

Sophianestesia

Militant said:

Sophianestesia said:

So, what is the actual title of the song?

- In a large room with no light

- Life is like looking for a penny in a large room with no light

- Life


That one.


Thanks.
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Reply #17 posted 06/07/09 7:04am

johno2

i was just looking up this song. and i found that prince performed this at the club nokia gig he did this year in LA(march 28th 2009!) its proberly already been mentioned eek
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Reply #18 posted 06/07/09 7:58am

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duggalolly said:

...because it's like "Mountains" taken to the next level...


That's possibly the best description I've heard of that song ever.
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Reply #19 posted 06/07/09 9:21am

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Militant said:

Sophianestesia said:

So, what is the actual title of the song?

- In a large room with no light

- Life is like looking for a penny in a large room with no light

- Life


That one.


I may be mistaken, or just imagining it.. but didn't Prince talk about bootlegs being titled incorrectly and specifically that "welcome to the rat race" was actually titled "in a large room with no light"?
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Reply #20 posted 06/07/09 9:32am

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exodus said:

Militant said:



That one.


I may be mistaken, or just imagining it.. but didn't Prince talk about bootlegs being titled incorrectly and specifically that "welcome to the rat race" was actually titled "in a large room with no light"?



I don't know, In A Large Room With No Lights is the line used throught the song and in the chorus, usually that's the song title
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Reply #21 posted 06/07/09 10:15am

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exodus said:

Militant said:



That one.


I may be mistaken, or just imagining it.. but didn't Prince talk about bootlegs being titled incorrectly and specifically that "welcome to the rat race" was actually titled "in a large room with no light"?



Eric Leeds said it was called "Life is like looking for a penny in a large room with no light".....given his brother Alan's meticulous attention to detail (read his into to Per Nilsen's DMSR book wink ) I'd be inclined to trust him!

Where and when did Prince speak on it?
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Reply #22 posted 06/07/09 11:32pm

TRON

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I love how much attention this song gets.
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Reply #23 posted 06/08/09 12:43am

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exodus said:

Militant said:



That one.


I may be mistaken, or just imagining it.. but didn't Prince talk about bootlegs being titled incorrectly and specifically that "welcome to the rat race" was actually titled "in a large room with no light"?


I believe Prince either addressed that during one of the Ahdio shows during year 1 of NPGMC, OR when Love4oneanother.com was still in effect. He did a couple of write-in Q&A's, and it seems like that was brought up somewhere. He may have very well mentioned it later in an interview as well.
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Reply #24 posted 06/08/09 3:10am

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Seeing has he brought it out of retirement, maybe he'll release it officially in some capacity eventually.

I'd pay $77 quite happily for his site, if he'd put up some vault tracks from this era.

But he won't. My money is in my pocket.
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Reply #25 posted 06/08/09 6:31pm

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I just heard the Club Nokia verson... biggrin

Anyone got any thoughts on why he resurrected this song? not complaining I love it lol just curious, as if the account above is accurate it's a reworking of a W&L jam so would he even be 'allowed' to release it?



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Reply #26 posted 06/08/09 6:54pm

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Yea...there was a q & a on love4oneanother and someone asked about some tracks on the Roadhouse Garden project. He revealed "In A Large Room With No Light", although he actually typed "In A DARK Room..." but of course that was just a typo. He also mentioned "Splash" and "Witness 4 The Prosecution."

ernestsewell said:

exodus said:



I may be mistaken, or just imagining it.. but didn't Prince talk about bootlegs being titled incorrectly and specifically that "welcome to the rat race" was actually titled "in a large room with no light"?


I believe Prince either addressed that during one of the Ahdio shows during year 1 of NPGMC, OR when Love4oneanother.com was still in effect. He did a couple of write-in Q&A's, and it seems like that was brought up somewhere. He may have very well mentioned it later in an interview as well.
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piepie1976 said:

Yea...there was a q & a on love4oneanother and someone asked about some tracks on the Roadhouse Garden project. He revealed "In A Large Room With No Light", although he actually typed "In A DARK Room..." but of course that was just a typo. He also mentioned "Splash" and "Witness 4 The Prosecution."



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Reply #28 posted 06/09/09 1:18am

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For me this is a song that is even more special because it never got an official release. I love the jazz-fused with latin groove and the sheer joy of the track. It's like the most perfect pop party that just swirls around you. Once again prince layers a dark lyric with the a wonderfully uplifting melody.

I would kill for a clean cut of this track.

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Swa said:

For me this is a song that is even more special because it never got an official release. I love the jazz-fused with latin groove and the sheer joy of the track. It's like the most perfect pop party that just swirls around you. Once again prince layers a dark lyric with the a wonderfully uplifting melody.

I would kill for a clean cut of this track.

Swa



I sometimes wonder if tracks like this might lose their charm if we ever heard them in pristine quality.

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