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Reply #390 posted 03/27/09 12:01am

Alexandernvrmi
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Ok after 2 days I can again say I'm still feeling both

there 4 hrow aways (2 on each disc)

Lotusflower - 77 Beverly Park.. I keep thinking was is this the intermission/bathroom break? and The Morning After. Sometime real soon P has got to stop with these bouncy teen pop songs

Mplsound - The absolutley horid There Will Never be blah blah blah, and still trying to figure out Better With Time... I'm getting inpatient with it

Other than those songs I love these records and really IMO there is very little seperating them
[Edited 3/27/09 0:03am]
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Reply #391 posted 03/27/09 12:33am

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For what it's worth . . .my solution to Crimson & Clover and the morning after, is in ITunes to number Crimson and Clover as track #3, and renumber 'The Morning After' as track 0. That way I don't have to renumber the album and 'Morning' simply heralds the album, if you will.
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Reply #392 posted 03/27/09 12:46am

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SUPRMAN said:

For what it's worth . . .my solution to Crimson & Clover and the morning after, is in ITunes to number Crimson and Clover as track #3, and renumber 'The Morning After' as track 0. That way I don't have to renumber the album and 'Morning' simply heralds the album, if you will.



in iTunes, if you order them BOTH "track 3", you shouldn't have any problem, as it'll put the track 3 that starts with C before the one that starts with M.
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Reply #393 posted 03/27/09 1:33am

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errant said:

SUPRMAN said:

For what it's worth . . .my solution to Crimson & Clover and the morning after, is in ITunes to number Crimson and Clover as track #3, and renumber 'The Morning After' as track 0. That way I don't have to renumber the album and 'Morning' simply heralds the album, if you will.



in iTunes, if you order them BOTH "track 3", you shouldn't have any problem, as it'll put the track 3 that starts with C before the one that starts with M.



Thank you. I just did that. It works between 'Crimson and Clover' and '4Ever.'
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Reply #394 posted 03/27/09 2:58am

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Gav said:



Are you really aged 30 or 12 ? confused

That post looks like something my kid nephew would have written.

You can kiss my ass in front of Macys window and thanks to turning 30, I'm not afraid to tell you that. You got a problem with me, you can come to me via the orgnote. Have a nice day loser


Thanks for superbly proving my point.
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Reply #395 posted 03/27/09 4:15am

alexnvrmind

Well here's my 2 cents for what it's worth...

Thanks to the power of the Internet here is my playlist in regards to the last 2 years and the new music (not counting Indigo Nights)...

Chocolate Box
Dance 4 Me
U're Gonna C Me
Better With Time
Ol' Skool Company
PFUnk
Disco Jellyfish
From the Lotus....
Boom
Colonized Mind
Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful
4Ever
77 Beverly Park
Wall of Berlin
Dreamer
...Back 2 the Lotus
Crimson & Clover

Now if I could find a clean copy of 'Turn Me Loose' to go with this playlist I'd be set! wink

Also is anybody diggin' Elixir? Just finally gave it a listen and while the music might make an interesting instrumental album, overall the vocals and 'just lay there' delivery seems rather sad. This 'Bria' chick's voice sounds nice but could she be just a little excited about her cut of the $ from the purchases? Of course maybe I don't get the point of this diversion involving her either! It'll be interesting to see her on Leno tonight, but I'm betting Prince will 'bogart' the performance like he always does!
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Reply #396 posted 03/27/09 6:42am

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Here's mah two zents...

FROM THE LOTUS - an instrumental track as an opener of an album is not something I would personally shun away from. Sounds a lot like TRC -material, but at least the use of reverb is more restricted this time around (he could have added a bit more to the electric piano sounds to make the entire thing sound more fusion-erta Miles / etc). The rimshot sounds he's been using on material like this for most of the decade aren't however working as well as they should, they add a bit of "cocktail bar" feel to his music sometimes to be honest. Not a major complaint here, though.

BOOM - this track surprised me with its relative mellowness, as I was expecting something a bit different. The way the underscored, barely audible "boom" -line is employed gives it a proper, more seductive "Axis: Bold as Love" - era hendrix feeling instead of being another "Endorphinmachine". It's not that complex a song as far as songwriting goes, but the elements he has constructed it off are interesting and varied enough. I like his guitar playing here a lot, and the use of the effects on the vocals does actually work quite well (there's autotune there, right?). What this track after several listens reveals that It's better than most of his 90s rockier output, better than "Endorphinmachin", "Peach" or "I Like It There". I've been lead to believe at least the retail version will have a longer version than what I got leeched off the internet?

THE MORNING AFTER - yes, it does indeed remind of "Teacher Teacher" with the clavichord -figure driving the entire song. It lacks a memorable chorus, but the female backing vocals are great and make up for it (is that a Wendy & Lisa -arrangement?). A little bit of the 60s, with a whole lot of the Dream Factory -vibe. Would this be a new bootleg leak from the 80s most would be drooling all over it by now ("man he really used to have it in the 80s, not so much anymore"). The palette of sounds used on the album is positively restricted to more organic-sounding instrumention, and the digital synth pads / strings that never really worked in the context of his music that well have been mostly omitted. It's quite possible the track originates from the same sessions as, say, "I'm The One U Wanna C", but this one's turnt out to be more tasteful effort I have to say. Could have been included very well on the retail version too. The only real downside is that the feel of "morning after" the song conveys is highly contradictory with what I'd associate with morning after's myself. Let's not give such false impressions to our young listeners, okay?

4EVER - one of Prince's problems more recently has been that he hasn't bothered to write proper choruses for most of his mid-tempo songs, and this one continues the tendency (starting with "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" already). The verse melody is actually bordering on brilliance in more simplistic terms, but the single-line chorus is a bit of an anti-climax. The instrumentation is classic 70s rock, I was actually thinking of someone like Todd Rundgren when I was listening to it. Nice sounds employed, nevertheless.

COLONIZED MIND - this has been a grower for me personally, as I didn't really care for it upon the first listen. The chorus is admittedly quite endearing and "emotive" after getting used to it, but the excessive stacking of multiple vocal lines provides something of a NPGMC -material association (not a positive thing in itself). I'm not going to comment on the lyrics too much because I feel like I am not the right person to judge another person's world-view, especially as his own idealogies differ quite greatly from mine. I don't find the lyrical content overtly naive, though. It's just that... in Prince World basically any comment on social issues is seen as a really in-depth statement. Could have been a bit dirtier on the guitar-end of things, though. If this is the closest thing to "Purple Rain" he delivered during this decade I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it.

FEEL GOOD, FEEL BETTER, FEEL WONDERFUL - as the only proper funk track on the record he could have had chosen a stronger one (or perhaps indeed include F.U.N.K. on it in some form). A pleasant enough offering on its own right - his vocal delivery is positively raunchy and the arrangements, whilst minimal, are top-notch quality. As expected. Again, it's really just the lacklustre chorus that's sort of fighting again the rest of the music ultimately. I know shouting "Housequake!" several hundred times during a track does not count for a terribly complex chorus either, but nevertheless.

LOVE LIKE JAZZ - on the first listen it sounded quite different from anything I've heard from Prince before. I admit his rhyming dictionary could do with an expansion section added to it ("NAME!" ... "GAME!"), but this has turnt into one of my own favourites on the album during a string of successive listens. It's a great track if you're not expecting a mind-blowing pop song, and I would perhaps call material like this veering on "a musical study" really. The arrangements are interesting and I've always wanted to point out that Prince is one of the very few better-known musicians on the planet who is capable of producing a light-sounding yet at the same time artsy material. It's a whole lot easier to make Radiohead -type of pop / rock -music where the artistry relies on the notions of melancholy, schizophrenism or whatever. Of course this one doesn't classify exactly as high-concept avant-garde either, but the song manages to go in various different directions tonally and still preserve a good level of cohesion. The outro leans even more strongly towards the sounds on TRC again. Better than "She Loves Me 4 Me", I would have to say.

77 BEVERLY PARK - well... this one's different. For some oblivious reason listening to it makes me want to go to the kitchen, fix myself a cup of coffee and feel happy about the fact that I will enter my thirties in just a couple of weeks. Thankfully though, it's not soaked in digital effects, although it really is an odd inclusion on the album as it is. The second half of the track should have preferably developed into something more interesting musically (a little bit of jazzy dissonance, or even a run-of-the-mill guitar solo would have done the trick probably). I wouldn't desire to kick it out of the album's running order, but even with the slight hint at the "Parade" -era it is indeed a bit of a "wtf" -moment. Better being a "wtf" -moment than a "gtfo" -moment, obviously.

WALL OF BERLIN - don't really care for the vocal delivery, but I guess this is one of the "key" -compositions of the album as it binds together some of the other tracks by being a bit of an "in-between take" stylistically. I don't mind the silly lyrics, although let's admit it - would any of the artists deemed as his followers (D'Angelo, Maxwell etc.) ever title a track "Wall Of Berlin"? The "trashier" guitar breaks are what breathes more life into an otherwise a bit too goofy melodic morif on the chorus.The track ultimately makes a nice enough transition to the next one. By the way, does "going down like the wall of berlin" mean you're going to be smashed down in pieces or is it just an implication of oral sex? When was the last time Prince visited Berlin anyway?

$ - really love this. It's really nothing like Prince has done before, but the "Camille" -vocal effect grounds it to his sound (could he be using sped-up tape again instead of a crude pitch-shifter, because the sound is far softer than on the more recent tracks that employed the similar element?). Perhaps the closest equivalence would be "Baby Knows" in that regard, but this is so much better (and I actually enjoyed that track in question). A hint of "Courtin' Time" thrown in there too, but "$" is an entiry of its own in Prince's vast song catalog. Simple and effective, he should be rightfully proud of music like this still pouring out of him. Just lacks a Harmonica solo!

DREAMER - Oh, yes. I was surprised how his take on the "Hendrix" -esque stuff still manages to employ all types of classic quirkiness that you would associate with his own classic output. If you listen more closely you could hear some echoes especially of Prince's rehearsal / aftershow -material from the 80s here too ("Billy's Sunglasses", "Neon Rendezvous"). It might be just the type of a reverberation playing tricks in my mind, but what the hell.

... BACK 2 THE LOTUS - this is a more interesting take on the intro track. The mumbling included on it gives it a bit eerie vibe, and that IS a positive thing. I find it intriguing how he has chosen to include the flanger on his guitar - and even on guitar interference noise - so audibly in the mix (he used to do this in the 80s quite a lot, it's used even on Sheila E.'s 3rd record I recently noticed). I didn't first warmp up for the obvious use of basic guitar pedal effects on "Wall of Berlin" or "Colonized Mind", but they do in the end add a certain amount of rawness to the overall result. The outro track is one of the best ones on the album in my mind, btw, but then again I'm sort of a fucked up individual.

CRIMSOM AND CLOVER - a few comments on this too, as it's supposed on the final record. The use of the leslie / vibrato effect gives the track its own vintage bite, although Prince's vocals aren't as powerful as they should be. Still, his 2nd best cover after "The Case Of U", perhaps. The download version really would have indeed benefited from this one. Is the Hendrix -reference here really to "Foxy Lady" or "Wild Thing" though? I can't make up my mind.

VERDICT: far from perfect, but one of the best outings of his post-WB material. Could have done with a few stronger SONGS, but as it stands it proves that Prince can still deliver adventurous records (if you think about it, TRC was released already quite a long time ago already). The poppier tracks from the record aren't that drastic a departure from Planet Earth -material to be honest, but I'll take tracks like "$" over "Guitar" anyday. Shame about - what I consider - the unfitting cover art for the album, although admittedly he has had worse over the years as well. I like it how he has re-connected with some of his trademark elements from the 80s and mixed them up with material that also break some new ground for him too.

I give it 4 pineapples out of 5 pineapples. Thanks for reading.

(Fuck, I should have been writing my graduation thesis instead of this... only 2½ weeks left! Oh well...)
[Edited 3/27/09 6:43am]
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Reply #397 posted 03/27/09 6:49am

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novabrkr said:

Here's mah two zents...

FROM THE LOTUS - an instrumental track as an opener of an album is not something I would personally shun away from. Sounds a lot like TRC -material, but at least the use of reverb is more restricted this time around (he could have added a bit more to the electric piano sounds to make the entire thing sound more fusion-erta Miles / etc). The rimshot sounds he's been using on material like this for most of the decade aren't however working as well as they should, they add a bit of "cocktail bar" feel to his music sometimes to be honest. Not a major complaint here, though.

BOOM - this track surprised me with its relative mellowness, as I was expecting something a bit different. The way the underscored, barely audible "boom" -line is employed gives it a proper, more seductive "Axis: Bold as Love" - era hendrix feeling instead of being another "Endorphinmachine". It's not that complex a song as far as songwriting goes, but the elements he has constructed it off are interesting and varied enough. I like his guitar playing here a lot, and the use of the effects on the vocals does actually work quite well (there's autotune there, right?). What this track after several listens reveals that It's better than most of his 90s rockier output, better than "Endorphinmachin", "Peach" or "I Like It There". I've been lead to believe at least the retail version will have a longer version than what I got leeched off the internet?

THE MORNING AFTER - yes, it does indeed remind of "Teacher Teacher" with the clavichord -figure driving the entire song. It lacks a memorable chorus, but the female backing vocals are great and make up for it (is that a Wendy & Lisa -arrangement?). A little bit of the 60s, with a whole lot of the Dream Factory -vibe. Would this be a new bootleg leak from the 80s most would be drooling all over it by now ("man he really used to have it in the 80s, not so much anymore"). The palette of sounds used on the album is positively restricted to more organic-sounding instrumention, and the digital synth pads / strings that never really worked in the context of his music that well have been mostly omitted. It's quite possible the track originates from the same sessions as, say, "I'm The One U Wanna C", but this one's turnt out to be more tasteful effort I have to say. Could have been included very well on the retail version too. The only real downside is that the feel of "morning after" the song conveys is highly contradictory with what I'd associate with morning after's myself. Let's not give such false impressions to our young listeners, okay?

4EVER - one of Prince's problems more recently has been that he hasn't bothered to write proper choruses for most of his mid-tempo songs, and this one continues the tendency (starting with "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" already). The verse melody is actually bordering on brilliance in more simplistic terms, but the single-line chorus is a bit of an anti-climax. The instrumentation is classic 70s rock, I was actually thinking of someone like Todd Rundgren when I was listening to it. Nice sounds employed, nevertheless.

COLONIZED MIND - this has been a grower for me personally, as I didn't really care for it upon the first listen. The chorus is admittedly quite endearing and "emotive" after getting used to it, but the excessive stacking of multiple vocal lines provides something of a NPGMC -material association (not a positive thing in itself). I'm not going to comment on the lyrics too much because I feel like I am not the right person to judge another person's world-view, especially as his own idealogies differ quite greatly from mine. I don't find the lyrical content overtly naive, though. It's just that... in Prince World basically any comment on social issues is seen as a really in-depth statement. Could have been a bit dirtier on the guitar-end of things, though. If this is the closest thing to "Purple Rain" he delivered during this decade I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it.

FEEL GOOD, FEEL BETTER, FEEL WONDERFUL - as the only proper funk track on the record he could have had chosen a stronger one (or perhaps indeed include F.U.N.K. on it in some form). A pleasant enough offering on its own right - his vocal delivery is positively raunchy and the arrangements, whilst minimal, are top-notch quality. As expected. Again, it's really just the lacklustre chorus that's sort of fighting again the rest of the music ultimately. I know shouting "Housequake!" several hundred times during a track does not count for a terribly complex chorus either, but nevertheless.

LOVE LIKE JAZZ - on the first listen it sounded quite different from anything I've heard from Prince before. I admit his rhyming dictionary could do with an expansion section added to it ("NAME!" ... "GAME!"), but this has turnt into one of my own favourites on the album during a string of successive listens. It's a great track if you're not expecting a mind-blowing pop song, and I would perhaps call material like this veering on "a musical study" really. The arrangements are interesting and I've always wanted to point out that Prince is one of the very few better-known musicians on the planet who is capable of producing a light-sounding yet at the same time artsy material. It's a whole lot easier to make Radiohead -type of pop / rock -music where the artistry relies on the notions of melancholy, schizophrenism or whatever. Of course this one doesn't classify exactly as high-concept avant-garde either, but the song manages to go in various different directions tonally and still preserve a good level of cohesion. The outro leans even more strongly towards the sounds on TRC again. Better than "She Loves Me 4 Me", I would have to say.

77 BEVERLY PARK - well... this one's different. For some oblivious reason listening to it makes me want to go to the kitchen, fix myself a cup of coffee and feel happy about the fact that I will enter my thirties in just a couple of weeks. Thankfully though, it's not soaked in digital effects, although it really is an odd inclusion on the album as it is. The second half of the track should have preferably developed into something more interesting musically (a little bit of jazzy dissonance, or even a run-of-the-mill guitar solo would have done the trick probably). I wouldn't desire to kick it out of the album's running order, but even with the slight hint at the "Parade" -era it is indeed a bit of a "wtf" -moment. Better being a "wtf" -moment than a "gtfo" -moment, obviously.

WALL OF BERLIN - don't really care for the vocal delivery, but I guess this is one of the "key" -compositions of the album as it binds together some of the other tracks by being a bit of an "in-between take" stylistically. I don't mind the silly lyrics, although let's admit it - would any of the artists deemed as his followers (D'Angelo, Maxwell etc.) ever title a track "Wall Of Berlin"? The "trashier" guitar breaks are what breathes more life into an otherwise a bit too goofy melodic morif on the chorus.The track ultimately makes a nice enough transition to the next one. By the way, does "going down like the wall of berlin" mean you're going to be smashed down in pieces or is it just an implication of oral sex? When was the last time Prince visited Berlin anyway?

$ - really love this. It's really nothing like Prince has done before, but the "Camille" -vocal effect grounds it to his sound (could he be using sped-up tape again instead of a crude pitch-shifter, because the sound is far softer than on the more recent tracks that employed the similar element?). Perhaps the closest equivalence would be "Baby Knows" in that regard, but this is so much better (and I actually enjoyed that track in question). A hint of "Courtin' Time" thrown in there too, but "$" is an entiry of its own in Prince's vast song catalog. Simple and effective, he should be rightfully proud of music like this still pouring out of him. Just lacks a Harmonica solo!

DREAMER - Oh, yes. I was surprised how his take on the "Hendrix" -esque stuff still manages to employ all types of classic quirkiness that you would associate with his own classic output. If you listen more closely you could hear some echoes especially of Prince's rehearsal / aftershow -material from the 80s here too ("Billy's Sunglasses", "Neon Rendezvous"). It might be just the type of a reverberation playing tricks in my mind, but what the hell.

... BACK 2 THE LOTUS - this is a more interesting take on the intro track. The mumbling included on it gives it a bit eerie vibe, and that IS a positive thing. I find it intriguing how he has chosen to include the flanger on his guitar - and even on guitar interference noise - so audibly in the mix (he used to do this in the 80s quite a lot, it's used even on Sheila E.'s 3rd record I recently noticed). I didn't first warmp up for the obvious use of basic guitar pedal effects on "Wall of Berlin" or "Colonized Mind", but they do in the end add a certain amount of rawness to the overall result. The outro track is one of the best ones on the album in my mind, btw, but then again I'm sort of a fucked up individual.

CRIMSOM AND CLOVER - a few comments on this too, as it's supposed on the final record. The use of the leslie / vibrato effect gives the track its own vintage bite, although Prince's vocals aren't as powerful as they should be. Still, his 2nd best cover after "The Case Of U", perhaps. The download version really would have indeed benefited from this one. Is the Hendrix -reference here really to "Foxy Lady" or "Wild Thing" though? I can't make up my mind.

VERDICT: far from perfect, but one of the best outings of his post-WB material. Could have done with a few stronger SONGS, but as it stands it proves that Prince can still deliver adventurous records (if you think about it, TRC was released already quite a long time ago already). The poppier tracks from the record aren't that drastic a departure from Planet Earth -material to be honest, but I'll take tracks like "$" over "Guitar" anyday. Shame about - what I consider - the unfitting cover art for the album, although admittedly he has had worse over the years as well. I like it how he has re-connected with some of his trademark elements from the 80s and mixed them up with material that also break some new ground for him too.

I give it 4 pineapples out of 5 pineapples. Thanks for reading.

(Fuck, I should have been writing my graduation thesis instead of this... only 2½ weeks left! Oh well...)
[Edited 3/27/09 6:43am]

Fuck the thesis. Get a review up for mplsound.
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Reply #398 posted 03/27/09 7:10am

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Number23 said:

novabrkr said:

Here's mah two zents...

FROM THE LOTUS - an instrumental track as an opener of an album is not something I would personally shun away from. Sounds a lot like TRC -material, but at least the use of reverb is more restricted this time around (he could have added a bit more to the electric piano sounds to make the entire thing sound more fusion-erta Miles / etc). The rimshot sounds he's been using on material like this for most of the decade aren't however working as well as they should, they add a bit of "cocktail bar" feel to his music sometimes to be honest. Not a major complaint here, though.

BOOM - this track surprised me with its relative mellowness, as I was expecting something a bit different. The way the underscored, barely audible "boom" -line is employed gives it a proper, more seductive "Axis: Bold as Love" - era hendrix feeling instead of being another "Endorphinmachine". It's not that complex a song as far as songwriting goes, but the elements he has constructed it off are interesting and varied enough. I like his guitar playing here a lot, and the use of the effects on the vocals does actually work quite well (there's autotune there, right?). What this track after several listens reveals that It's better than most of his 90s rockier output, better than "Endorphinmachin", "Peach" or "I Like It There". I've been lead to believe at least the retail version will have a longer version than what I got leeched off the internet?

THE MORNING AFTER - yes, it does indeed remind of "Teacher Teacher" with the clavichord -figure driving the entire song. It lacks a memorable chorus, but the female backing vocals are great and make up for it (is that a Wendy & Lisa -arrangement?). A little bit of the 60s, with a whole lot of the Dream Factory -vibe. Would this be a new bootleg leak from the 80s most would be drooling all over it by now ("man he really used to have it in the 80s, not so much anymore"). The palette of sounds used on the album is positively restricted to more organic-sounding instrumention, and the digital synth pads / strings that never really worked in the context of his music that well have been mostly omitted. It's quite possible the track originates from the same sessions as, say, "I'm The One U Wanna C", but this one's turnt out to be more tasteful effort I have to say. Could have been included very well on the retail version too. The only real downside is that the feel of "morning after" the song conveys is highly contradictory with what I'd associate with morning after's myself. Let's not give such false impressions to our young listeners, okay?

4EVER - one of Prince's problems more recently has been that he hasn't bothered to write proper choruses for most of his mid-tempo songs, and this one continues the tendency (starting with "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" already). The verse melody is actually bordering on brilliance in more simplistic terms, but the single-line chorus is a bit of an anti-climax. The instrumentation is classic 70s rock, I was actually thinking of someone like Todd Rundgren when I was listening to it. Nice sounds employed, nevertheless.

COLONIZED MIND - this has been a grower for me personally, as I didn't really care for it upon the first listen. The chorus is admittedly quite endearing and "emotive" after getting used to it, but the excessive stacking of multiple vocal lines provides something of a NPGMC -material association (not a positive thing in itself). I'm not going to comment on the lyrics too much because I feel like I am not the right person to judge another person's world-view, especially as his own idealogies differ quite greatly from mine. I don't find the lyrical content overtly naive, though. It's just that... in Prince World basically any comment on social issues is seen as a really in-depth statement. Could have been a bit dirtier on the guitar-end of things, though. If this is the closest thing to "Purple Rain" he delivered during this decade I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it.

FEEL GOOD, FEEL BETTER, FEEL WONDERFUL - as the only proper funk track on the record he could have had chosen a stronger one (or perhaps indeed include F.U.N.K. on it in some form). A pleasant enough offering on its own right - his vocal delivery is positively raunchy and the arrangements, whilst minimal, are top-notch quality. As expected. Again, it's really just the lacklustre chorus that's sort of fighting again the rest of the music ultimately. I know shouting "Housequake!" several hundred times during a track does not count for a terribly complex chorus either, but nevertheless.

LOVE LIKE JAZZ - on the first listen it sounded quite different from anything I've heard from Prince before. I admit his rhyming dictionary could do with an expansion section added to it ("NAME!" ... "GAME!"), but this has turnt into one of my own favourites on the album during a string of successive listens. It's a great track if you're not expecting a mind-blowing pop song, and I would perhaps call material like this veering on "a musical study" really. The arrangements are interesting and I've always wanted to point out that Prince is one of the very few better-known musicians on the planet who is capable of producing a light-sounding yet at the same time artsy material. It's a whole lot easier to make Radiohead -type of pop / rock -music where the artistry relies on the notions of melancholy, schizophrenism or whatever. Of course this one doesn't classify exactly as high-concept avant-garde either, but the song manages to go in various different directions tonally and still preserve a good level of cohesion. The outro leans even more strongly towards the sounds on TRC again. Better than "She Loves Me 4 Me", I would have to say.

77 BEVERLY PARK - well... this one's different. For some oblivious reason listening to it makes me want to go to the kitchen, fix myself a cup of coffee and feel happy about the fact that I will enter my thirties in just a couple of weeks. Thankfully though, it's not soaked in digital effects, although it really is an odd inclusion on the album as it is. The second half of the track should have preferably developed into something more interesting musically (a little bit of jazzy dissonance, or even a run-of-the-mill guitar solo would have done the trick probably). I wouldn't desire to kick it out of the album's running order, but even with the slight hint at the "Parade" -era it is indeed a bit of a "wtf" -moment. Better being a "wtf" -moment than a "gtfo" -moment, obviously.

WALL OF BERLIN - don't really care for the vocal delivery, but I guess this is one of the "key" -compositions of the album as it binds together some of the other tracks by being a bit of an "in-between take" stylistically. I don't mind the silly lyrics, although let's admit it - would any of the artists deemed as his followers (D'Angelo, Maxwell etc.) ever title a track "Wall Of Berlin"? The "trashier" guitar breaks are what breathes more life into an otherwise a bit too goofy melodic morif on the chorus.The track ultimately makes a nice enough transition to the next one. By the way, does "going down like the wall of berlin" mean you're going to be smashed down in pieces or is it just an implication of oral sex? When was the last time Prince visited Berlin anyway?

$ - really love this. It's really nothing like Prince has done before, but the "Camille" -vocal effect grounds it to his sound (could he be using sped-up tape again instead of a crude pitch-shifter, because the sound is far softer than on the more recent tracks that employed the similar element?). Perhaps the closest equivalence would be "Baby Knows" in that regard, but this is so much better (and I actually enjoyed that track in question). A hint of "Courtin' Time" thrown in there too, but "$" is an entiry of its own in Prince's vast song catalog. Simple and effective, he should be rightfully proud of music like this still pouring out of him. Just lacks a Harmonica solo!

DREAMER - Oh, yes. I was surprised how his take on the "Hendrix" -esque stuff still manages to employ all types of classic quirkiness that you would associate with his own classic output. If you listen more closely you could hear some echoes especially of Prince's rehearsal / aftershow -material from the 80s here too ("Billy's Sunglasses", "Neon Rendezvous"). It might be just the type of a reverberation playing tricks in my mind, but what the hell.

... BACK 2 THE LOTUS - this is a more interesting take on the intro track. The mumbling included on it gives it a bit eerie vibe, and that IS a positive thing. I find it intriguing how he has chosen to include the flanger on his guitar - and even on guitar interference noise - so audibly in the mix (he used to do this in the 80s quite a lot, it's used even on Sheila E.'s 3rd record I recently noticed). I didn't first warmp up for the obvious use of basic guitar pedal effects on "Wall of Berlin" or "Colonized Mind", but they do in the end add a certain amount of rawness to the overall result. The outro track is one of the best ones on the album in my mind, btw, but then again I'm sort of a fucked up individual.

CRIMSOM AND CLOVER - a few comments on this too, as it's supposed on the final record. The use of the leslie / vibrato effect gives the track its own vintage bite, although Prince's vocals aren't as powerful as they should be. Still, his 2nd best cover after "The Case Of U", perhaps. The download version really would have indeed benefited from this one. Is the Hendrix -reference here really to "Foxy Lady" or "Wild Thing" though? I can't make up my mind.

VERDICT: far from perfect, but one of the best outings of his post-WB material. Could have done with a few stronger SONGS, but as it stands it proves that Prince can still deliver adventurous records (if you think about it, TRC was released already quite a long time ago already). The poppier tracks from the record aren't that drastic a departure from Planet Earth -material to be honest, but I'll take tracks like "$" over "Guitar" anyday. Shame about - what I consider - the unfitting cover art for the album, although admittedly he has had worse over the years as well. I like it how he has re-connected with some of his trademark elements from the 80s and mixed them up with material that also break some new ground for him too.

I give it 4 pineapples out of 5 pineapples. Thanks for reading.

(Fuck, I should have been writing my graduation thesis instead of this... only 2½ weeks left! Oh well...)
[Edited 3/27/09 6:43am]

Fuck the thesis. Get a review up for mplsound.



lol Right on, I once wrote a thesis in 4 days after 3 weeks research and got a merit in it, that i didnt sleep for 5 days/nights solid and almost had a heart attack at 24 is beside the point. wink
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Here's mah two zents...

FROM THE LOTUS - an instrumental track as an opener of an album is not something I would personally shun away from. Sounds a lot like TRC -material, but at least the use of reverb is more restricted this time around (he could have added a bit more to the electric piano sounds to make the entire thing sound more fusion-erta Miles / etc). The rimshot sounds he's been using on material like this for most of the decade aren't however working as well as they should, they add a bit of "cocktail bar" feel to his music sometimes to be honest. Not a major complaint here, though.

BOOM - this track surprised me with its relative mellowness, as I was expecting something a bit different. The way the underscored, barely audible "boom" -line is employed gives it a proper, more seductive "Axis: Bold as Love" - era hendrix feeling instead of being another "Endorphinmachine". It's not that complex a song as far as songwriting goes, but the elements he has constructed it off are interesting and varied enough. I like his guitar playing here a lot, and the use of the effects on the vocals does actually work quite well (there's autotune there, right?). What this track after several listens reveals that It's better than most of his 90s rockier output, better than "Endorphinmachin", "Peach" or "I Like It There". I've been lead to believe at least the retail version will have a longer version than what I got leeched off the internet?

THE MORNING AFTER - yes, it does indeed remind of "Teacher Teacher" with the clavichord -figure driving the entire song. It lacks a memorable chorus, but the female backing vocals are great and make up for it (is that a Wendy & Lisa -arrangement?). A little bit of the 60s, with a whole lot of the Dream Factory -vibe. Would this be a new bootleg leak from the 80s most would be drooling all over it by now ("man he really used to have it in the 80s, not so much anymore"). The palette of sounds used on the album is positively restricted to more organic-sounding instrumention, and the digital synth pads / strings that never really worked in the context of his music that well have been mostly omitted. It's quite possible the track originates from the same sessions as, say, "I'm The One U Wanna C", but this one's turnt out to be more tasteful effort I have to say. Could have been included very well on the retail version too. The only real downside is that the feel of "morning after" the song conveys is highly contradictory with what I'd associate with morning after's myself. Let's not give such false impressions to our young listeners, okay?

4EVER - one of Prince's problems more recently has been that he hasn't bothered to write proper choruses for most of his mid-tempo songs, and this one continues the tendency (starting with "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" already). The verse melody is actually bordering on brilliance in more simplistic terms, but the single-line chorus is a bit of an anti-climax. The instrumentation is classic 70s rock, I was actually thinking of someone like Todd Rundgren when I was listening to it. Nice sounds employed, nevertheless.

COLONIZED MIND - this has been a grower for me personally, as I didn't really care for it upon the first listen. The chorus is admittedly quite endearing and "emotive" after getting used to it, but the excessive stacking of multiple vocal lines provides something of a NPGMC -material association (not a positive thing in itself). I'm not going to comment on the lyrics too much because I feel like I am not the right person to judge another person's world-view, especially as his own idealogies differ quite greatly from mine. I don't find the lyrical content overtly naive, though. It's just that... in Prince World basically any comment on social issues is seen as a really in-depth statement. Could have been a bit dirtier on the guitar-end of things, though. If this is the closest thing to "Purple Rain" he delivered during this decade I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it.

FEEL GOOD, FEEL BETTER, FEEL WONDERFUL - as the only proper funk track on the record he could have had chosen a stronger one (or perhaps indeed include F.U.N.K. on it in some form). A pleasant enough offering on its own right - his vocal delivery is positively raunchy and the arrangements, whilst minimal, are top-notch quality. As expected. Again, it's really just the lacklustre chorus that's sort of fighting again the rest of the music ultimately. I know shouting "Housequake!" several hundred times during a track does not count for a terribly complex chorus either, but nevertheless.

LOVE LIKE JAZZ - on the first listen it sounded quite different from anything I've heard from Prince before. I admit his rhyming dictionary could do with an expansion section added to it ("NAME!" ... "GAME!"), but this has turnt into one of my own favourites on the album during a string of successive listens. It's a great track if you're not expecting a mind-blowing pop song, and I would perhaps call material like this veering on "a musical study" really. The arrangements are interesting and I've always wanted to point out that Prince is one of the very few better-known musicians on the planet who is capable of producing a light-sounding yet at the same time artsy material. It's a whole lot easier to make Radiohead -type of pop / rock -music where the artistry relies on the notions of melancholy, schizophrenism or whatever. Of course this one doesn't classify exactly as high-concept avant-garde either, but the song manages to go in various different directions tonally and still preserve a good level of cohesion. The outro leans even more strongly towards the sounds on TRC again. Better than "She Loves Me 4 Me", I would have to say.

77 BEVERLY PARK - well... this one's different. For some oblivious reason listening to it makes me want to go to the kitchen, fix myself a cup of coffee and feel happy about the fact that I will enter my thirties in just a couple of weeks. Thankfully though, it's not soaked in digital effects, although it really is an odd inclusion on the album as it is. The second half of the track should have preferably developed into something more interesting musically (a little bit of jazzy dissonance, or even a run-of-the-mill guitar solo would have done the trick probably). I wouldn't desire to kick it out of the album's running order, but even with the slight hint at the "Parade" -era it is indeed a bit of a "wtf" -moment. Better being a "wtf" -moment than a "gtfo" -moment, obviously.

WALL OF BERLIN - don't really care for the vocal delivery, but I guess this is one of the "key" -compositions of the album as it binds together some of the other tracks by being a bit of an "in-between take" stylistically. I don't mind the silly lyrics, although let's admit it - would any of the artists deemed as his followers (D'Angelo, Maxwell etc.) ever title a track "Wall Of Berlin"? The "trashier" guitar breaks are what breathes more life into an otherwise a bit too goofy melodic morif on the chorus.The track ultimately makes a nice enough transition to the next one. By the way, does "going down like the wall of berlin" mean you're going to be smashed down in pieces or is it just an implication of oral sex? When was the last time Prince visited Berlin anyway?

$ - really love this. It's really nothing like Prince has done before, but the "Camille" -vocal effect grounds it to his sound (could he be using sped-up tape again instead of a crude pitch-shifter, because the sound is far softer than on the more recent tracks that employed the similar element?). Perhaps the closest equivalence would be "Baby Knows" in that regard, but this is so much better (and I actually enjoyed that track in question). A hint of "Courtin' Time" thrown in there too, but "$" is an entiry of its own in Prince's vast song catalog. Simple and effective, he should be rightfully proud of music like this still pouring out of him. Just lacks a Harmonica solo!

DREAMER - Oh, yes. I was surprised how his take on the "Hendrix" -esque stuff still manages to employ all types of classic quirkiness that you would associate with his own classic output. If you listen more closely you could hear some echoes especially of Prince's rehearsal / aftershow -material from the 80s here too ("Billy's Sunglasses", "Neon Rendezvous"). It might be just the type of a reverberation playing tricks in my mind, but what the hell.

... BACK 2 THE LOTUS - this is a more interesting take on the intro track. The mumbling included on it gives it a bit eerie vibe, and that IS a positive thing. I find it intriguing how he has chosen to include the flanger on his guitar - and even on guitar interference noise - so audibly in the mix (he used to do this in the 80s quite a lot, it's used even on Sheila E.'s 3rd record I recently noticed). I didn't first warmp up for the obvious use of basic guitar pedal effects on "Wall of Berlin" or "Colonized Mind", but they do in the end add a certain amount of rawness to the overall result. The outro track is one of the best ones on the album in my mind, btw, but then again I'm sort of a fucked up individual.

CRIMSOM AND CLOVER - a few comments on this too, as it's supposed on the final record. The use of the leslie / vibrato effect gives the track its own vintage bite, although Prince's vocals aren't as powerful as they should be. Still, his 2nd best cover after "The Case Of U", perhaps. The download version really would have indeed benefited from this one. Is the Hendrix -reference here really to "Foxy Lady" or "Wild Thing" though? I can't make up my mind.

VERDICT: far from perfect, but one of the best outings of his post-WB material. Could have done with a few stronger SONGS, but as it stands it proves that Prince can still deliver adventurous records (if you think about it, TRC was released already quite a long time ago already). The poppier tracks from the record aren't that drastic a departure from Planet Earth -material to be honest, but I'll take tracks like "$" over "Guitar" anyday. Shame about - what I consider - the unfitting cover art for the album, although admittedly he has had worse over the years as well. I like it how he has re-connected with some of his trademark elements from the 80s and mixed them up with material that also break some new ground for him too.

I give it 4 pineapples out of 5 pineapples. Thanks for reading.

(Fuck, I should have been writing my graduation thesis instead of this... only 2½ weeks left! Oh well...)
[Edited 3/27/09 6:43am]


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Reply #400 posted 03/27/09 7:27am

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COLONIZED MIND - this has been a grower for me personally, as I didn't really care for it upon the first listen. The chorus is admittedly quite endearing and "emotive" after getting used to it, but the excessive stacking of multiple vocal lines provides something of a NPGMC -material association (not a positive thing in itself). I'm not going to comment on the lyrics too much because I feel like I am not the right person to judge another person's world-view, especially as his own idealogies differ quite greatly from mine. I don't find the lyrical content overtly naive, though. It's just that... in Prince World basically any comment on social issues is seen as a really in-depth statement. Could have been a bit dirtier on the guitar-end of things, though. If this is the closest thing to "Purple Rain" he delivered during this decade I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it.
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Reply #401 posted 03/27/09 7:43am

Whitnail

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novabrkr said:

Here's mah two zents...

FROM THE LOTUS - an instrumental track as an opener of an album is not something I would personally shun away from. Sounds a lot like TRC -material, but at least the use of reverb is more restricted this time around (he could have added a bit more to the electric piano sounds to make the entire thing sound more fusion-erta Miles / etc). The rimshot sounds he's been using on material like this for most of the decade aren't however working as well as they should, they add a bit of "cocktail bar" feel to his music sometimes to be honest. Not a major complaint here, though.

BOOM - this track surprised me with its relative mellowness, as I was expecting something a bit different. The way the underscored, barely audible "boom" -line is employed gives it a proper, more seductive "Axis: Bold as Love" - era hendrix feeling instead of being another "Endorphinmachine". It's not that complex a song as far as songwriting goes, but the elements he has constructed it off are interesting and varied enough. I like his guitar playing here a lot, and the use of the effects on the vocals does actually work quite well (there's autotune there, right?). What this track after several listens reveals that It's better than most of his 90s rockier output, better than "Endorphinmachin", "Peach" or "I Like It There". I've been lead to believe at least the retail version will have a longer version than what I got leeched off the internet?

THE MORNING AFTER - yes, it does indeed remind of "Teacher Teacher" with the clavichord -figure driving the entire song. It lacks a memorable chorus, but the female backing vocals are great and make up for it (is that a Wendy & Lisa -arrangement?). A little bit of the 60s, with a whole lot of the Dream Factory -vibe. Would this be a new bootleg leak from the 80s most would be drooling all over it by now ("man he really used to have it in the 80s, not so much anymore"). The palette of sounds used on the album is positively restricted to more organic-sounding instrumention, and the digital synth pads / strings that never really worked in the context of his music that well have been mostly omitted. It's quite possible the track originates from the same sessions as, say, "I'm The One U Wanna C", but this one's turnt out to be more tasteful effort I have to say. Could have been included very well on the retail version too. The only real downside is that the feel of "morning after" the song conveys is highly contradictory with what I'd associate with morning after's myself. Let's not give such false impressions to our young listeners, okay?

4EVER - one of Prince's problems more recently has been that he hasn't bothered to write proper choruses for most of his mid-tempo songs, and this one continues the tendency (starting with "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold" already). The verse melody is actually bordering on brilliance in more simplistic terms, but the single-line chorus is a bit of an anti-climax. The instrumentation is classic 70s rock, I was actually thinking of someone like Todd Rundgren when I was listening to it. Nice sounds employed, nevertheless.

COLONIZED MIND - this has been a grower for me personally, as I didn't really care for it upon the first listen. The chorus is admittedly quite endearing and "emotive" after getting used to it, but the excessive stacking of multiple vocal lines provides something of a NPGMC -material association (not a positive thing in itself). I'm not going to comment on the lyrics too much because I feel like I am not the right person to judge another person's world-view, especially as his own idealogies differ quite greatly from mine. I don't find the lyrical content overtly naive, though. It's just that... in Prince World basically any comment on social issues is seen as a really in-depth statement. Could have been a bit dirtier on the guitar-end of things, though. If this is the closest thing to "Purple Rain" he delivered during this decade I guess we'll just have to learn to live with it.

FEEL GOOD, FEEL BETTER, FEEL WONDERFUL - as the only proper funk track on the record he could have had chosen a stronger one (or perhaps indeed include F.U.N.K. on it in some form). A pleasant enough offering on its own right - his vocal delivery is positively raunchy and the arrangements, whilst minimal, are top-notch quality. As expected. Again, it's really just the lacklustre chorus that's sort of fighting again the rest of the music ultimately. I know shouting "Housequake!" several hundred times during a track does not count for a terribly complex chorus either, but nevertheless.

LOVE LIKE JAZZ - on the first listen it sounded quite different from anything I've heard from Prince before. I admit his rhyming dictionary could do with an expansion section added to it ("NAME!" ... "GAME!"), but this has turnt into one of my own favourites on the album during a string of successive listens. It's a great track if you're not expecting a mind-blowing pop song, and I would perhaps call material like this veering on "a musical study" really. The arrangements are interesting and I've always wanted to point out that Prince is one of the very few better-known musicians on the planet who is capable of producing a light-sounding yet at the same time artsy material. It's a whole lot easier to make Radiohead -type of pop / rock -music where the artistry relies on the notions of melancholy, schizophrenism or whatever. Of course this one doesn't classify exactly as high-concept avant-garde either, but the song manages to go in various different directions tonally and still preserve a good level of cohesion. The outro leans even more strongly towards the sounds on TRC again. Better than "She Loves Me 4 Me", I would have to say.

77 BEVERLY PARK - well... this one's different. For some oblivious reason listening to it makes me want to go to the kitchen, fix myself a cup of coffee and feel happy about the fact that I will enter my thirties in just a couple of weeks. Thankfully though, it's not soaked in digital effects, although it really is an odd inclusion on the album as it is. The second half of the track should have preferably developed into something more interesting musically (a little bit of jazzy dissonance, or even a run-of-the-mill guitar solo would have done the trick probably). I wouldn't desire to kick it out of the album's running order, but even with the slight hint at the "Parade" -era it is indeed a bit of a "wtf" -moment. Better being a "wtf" -moment than a "gtfo" -moment, obviously.

WALL OF BERLIN - don't really care for the vocal delivery, but I guess this is one of the "key" -compositions of the album as it binds together some of the other tracks by being a bit of an "in-between take" stylistically. I don't mind the silly lyrics, although let's admit it - would any of the artists deemed as his followers (D'Angelo, Maxwell etc.) ever title a track "Wall Of Berlin"? The "trashier" guitar breaks are what breathes more life into an otherwise a bit too goofy melodic morif on the chorus.The track ultimately makes a nice enough transition to the next one. By the way, does "going down like the wall of berlin" mean you're going to be smashed down in pieces or is it just an implication of oral sex? When was the last time Prince visited Berlin anyway?

$ - really love this. It's really nothing like Prince has done before, but the "Camille" -vocal effect grounds it to his sound (could he be using sped-up tape again instead of a crude pitch-shifter, because the sound is far softer than on the more recent tracks that employed the similar element?). Perhaps the closest equivalence would be "Baby Knows" in that regard, but this is so much better (and I actually enjoyed that track in question). A hint of "Courtin' Time" thrown in there too, but "$" is an entiry of its own in Prince's vast song catalog. Simple and effective, he should be rightfully proud of music like this still pouring out of him. Just lacks a Harmonica solo!

DREAMER - Oh, yes. I was surprised how his take on the "Hendrix" -esque stuff still manages to employ all types of classic quirkiness that you would associate with his own classic output. If you listen more closely you could hear some echoes especially of Prince's rehearsal / aftershow -material from the 80s here too ("Billy's Sunglasses", "Neon Rendezvous"). It might be just the type of a reverberation playing tricks in my mind, but what the hell.

... BACK 2 THE LOTUS - this is a more interesting take on the intro track. The mumbling included on it gives it a bit eerie vibe, and that IS a positive thing. I find it intriguing how he has chosen to include the flanger on his guitar - and even on guitar interference noise - so audibly in the mix (he used to do this in the 80s quite a lot, it's used even on Sheila E.'s 3rd record I recently noticed). I didn't first warmp up for the obvious use of basic guitar pedal effects on "Wall of Berlin" or "Colonized Mind", but they do in the end add a certain amount of rawness to the overall result. The outro track is one of the best ones on the album in my mind, btw, but then again I'm sort of a fucked up individual.

CRIMSOM AND CLOVER - a few comments on this too, as it's supposed on the final record. The use of the leslie / vibrato effect gives the track its own vintage bite, although Prince's vocals aren't as powerful as they should be. Still, his 2nd best cover after "The Case Of U", perhaps. The download version really would have indeed benefited from this one. Is the Hendrix -reference here really to "Foxy Lady" or "Wild Thing" though? I can't make up my mind.

VERDICT: far from perfect, but one of the best outings of his post-WB material. Could have done with a few stronger SONGS, but as it stands it proves that Prince can still deliver adventurous records (if you think about it, TRC was released already quite a long time ago already). The poppier tracks from the record aren't that drastic a departure from Planet Earth -material to be honest, but I'll take tracks like "$" over "Guitar" anyday. Shame about - what I consider - the unfitting cover art for the album, although admittedly he has had worse over the years as well. I like it how he has re-connected with some of his trademark elements from the 80s and mixed them up with material that also break some new ground for him too.

I give it 4 pineapples out of 5 pineapples. Thanks for reading.

(Fuck, I should have been writing my graduation thesis instead of this... only 2½ weeks left! Oh well...)
[Edited 3/27/09 6:43am]


While reading this review, I almost felt the urge to print it out and stick it in my American Pyscho-Bret Easton Ellis book, it always bugged me that he never had a chapter dedicated to Prince cool
If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.

"True to his status as the last enigma in music, Prince crashed into London this week in a ball of confusion" The Times 2014
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Reply #402 posted 03/27/09 7:46am

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Just read all of the reviews.

I too like the album, biggest complaint is that Crimson and Clover isn't on the online version.

I'm really diggin' "Love Like Jazz".
Can't understand why a lot of other orgers hate this song.....
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Reply #403 posted 03/27/09 7:56am

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novabrkr said:

Just lacks a Harmonica solo!

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Reply #404 posted 03/27/09 8:06am

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Where should i put "crimson and clover" in my i-pod? Before or after "the morning after"? confuse
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Reply #405 posted 03/27/09 8:20am

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This album is definitely feeling like a grower, liking it more with each listen.

$ is just gobsmackingly amazing.
My single favorite song since the "golden age"
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Reply #406 posted 03/27/09 8:25am

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I only heard both albums 1 time, so this is not a 'full review' yet.

On first impressions, my thoughts about Lotusflow3r are:

Nice production, the 'organic' sound lies somewhere in between that of The Rainbow Children and Planet Earth.
Some impressive instrumental parts (the guitar solo's, certain drumparts) and some nice, quirky psychedelic sound effects. But unfortunately they sometimes seem to be used as a device to 'masquerade' how mediocre some of the compositions are (Wall of Berlin, 4ever).
The instrumentals at the start and the end of the album don't do much to me. They aren't bad, but they offer nothing really extra to the rest of the songs (well, at least this time Prince hasn't spoiled them by overdubbing them with a Darth Vader-voice dabbling quasi-religious nonsense... biggrin )

Even on the appearingly strongest tracks, Prince makes some unfortunate choices: The psychedelic melody-lines of 'Boom's verses are brilliant, but instead of following it up with great chorusses, the repeated 'boom' chants are a slight dissapointment. Dreamer has a great raw rock-sound, that reminds me of the best moments from Chaos and Disorder, but the composition itself kinda drags along, and the song lacks a strong built-up.

A final point of criticism has to do with the sequencing of the songs: just as Planet Earth the album suffers from 2 songs placed 'in the middle' that are soundwise and stylewise out of touch with the rest of the material, and break the flow of the album.
On Planet Earth those were Future Baby Mama and on Lotusflow3r it are Love Like Jazz and 77 Beverly Hills.

Despite the mentioned flaws and mistakes, I consider Lotusflow3r a improvement on Planet Earth, but slight that is. At this moment I rate Planet Earth: 6.5/10 and Lotusflow3r: 7/10.
Apart from the 2 'misplaced' songs in the middle, Lotusflow3r sounds more cohesive, more as a 'real' album. Next to that their are more surprises instrumentation-wise, and in general his delivery sounds a bit more loose.

As i said, i have only listened to it once, so i expect this album to 'grow' on me, but at this moment, but, despite others have said here for themselves, i am not expecting it to land in my top 10 of (personal) best Prince albums over time.
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Reply #407 posted 03/27/09 8:28am

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NouveauDance said:

novabrkr said:

Just lacks a Harmonica solo!



falloff falloff

Fucking love it.
He is exactly who we thought he was
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Reply #408 posted 03/27/09 8:36am

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NouveauDance said:

novabrkr said:

Just lacks a Harmonica solo!



I understand your problem.

This guy is a great musician. He plays with Stevie Wonder, India Arie, Erika Badu and Prince, just to name a few.

He is a very happy man. He loves the life he's got.

That's too much happiness, talent and success to handle for someone as cynical as you, isn'it?
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Reply #409 posted 03/27/09 8:38am

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NouveauDance said:




He is a very happy man.


lol
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Reply #410 posted 03/27/09 8:45am

Accujack

sarkozyiszeman said:

I understand your problem.

This guy is a great musician. He plays with Stevie Wonder, India Arie, Erika Badu and Prince, just to name a few.

He is a very happy man. He loves the life he's got.

That's too much happiness, talent and success to handle for someone as cynical as you, isn'it?


It's alright man.comfort

The dude is cool, he just needs to relax a bit.
That's all.

I mean, he is playing a harmonica. lol
He is exactly who we thought he was
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Reply #411 posted 03/27/09 8:48am

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Finally listened to this.
I really like it.
First impressions overall:
The Rainbow Children segues + The Undertaker + Crystal Ball era outakes + A little Parade musicality = LotusFlow3r
Funny some of the songs people didn't like I liked right away.
And it made me want to listen again. It's like I didn't want it to stop.
Great Stuff. lol
Fantasy is reality in the world today. But I'll keep hangin in there, that is the only way.
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Reply #412 posted 03/27/09 8:50am

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NouveauDance said:

novabrkr said:

Just lacks a Harmonica solo!


Stop it! lol
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #413 posted 03/27/09 8:51am

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Accujack said:

sarkozyiszeman said:

I understand your problem.

This guy is a great musician. He plays with Stevie Wonder, India Arie, Erika Badu and Prince, just to name a few.

He is a very happy man. He loves the life he's got.

That's too much happiness, talent and success to handle for someone as cynical as you, isn'it?


It's alright man.comfort

The dude is cool, he just needs to relax a bit.
That's all.

I mean, he is playing a harmonica. lol


You should check the following link and you'd understand the performer and the musician he is:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...RNDIVJ4n0w

And you should check on youtube his performances with Stevie Wonder.

What he does with his harmonica is amazing.
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Reply #414 posted 03/27/09 8:52am

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Bfunkthe1 said:

IstenSzek said:



i would simply leave that one off, but that's just me biggrin

i'd prefer to have FUNK on there instead.

Right.
I'm somewhat of a completest so I'll probably have both. lol
Just trying to see where you guys think it will fit after hearing album several times.


I'll have Crimson & Clover before The Morning After, and then close MPLSound with Elixer, then F.U.N.K. Works great as a 24-track double album.
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Prince's Classic Finally Expanded
The Deluxe 'Purple Rain' Reissue

http://www.popmatters.com...n-reissue/
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Reply #415 posted 03/27/09 8:52am

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The Morning After reminded me of something from Planet Earth.
That explains the dislike for it around here. Imo.
It does feel kinda out of place with the rest of the material.
Fantasy is reality in the world today. But I'll keep hangin in there, that is the only way.
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Reply #416 posted 03/27/09 8:52am

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Gav said:

purplecam said:


You can kiss my ass in front of Macys window and thanks to turning 30, I'm not afraid to tell you that. You got a problem with me, you can come to me via the orgnote. Have a nice day loser


Thanks for superbly proving my point.

Stop trolling, it's very immature and against the rules.
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I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #417 posted 03/27/09 8:54am

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NoVideo said:

Bfunkthe1 said:


Right.
I'm somewhat of a completest so I'll probably have both. lol
Just trying to see where you guys think it will fit after hearing album several times.


I'll have Crimson & Clover before The Morning After, and then close MPLSound with Elixer, then F.U.N.K. Works great as a 24-track double album.

I like that idea. I may steal it. wink
Fantasy is reality in the world today. But I'll keep hangin in there, that is the only way.
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Reply #418 posted 03/27/09 8:59am

Accujack

sarkozyiszeman said:

Accujack said:



It's alright man.comfort

The dude is cool, he just needs to relax a bit.
That's all.

I mean, he is playing a harmonica. lol


You should check the following link and you'd understand the performer and the musician he is:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...RNDIVJ4n0w

And you should check on youtube his performances with Stevie Wonder.

What he does with his harmonica is amazing.


I've seen it, and I respect his abilities. I personally just don't want to hear harmonica solos in certain songs. Ol Skool Company being one of them.

If you and Prince do, that is cool by me.

That damned gif is hilarious though.
He is exactly who we thought he was
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Reply #419 posted 03/27/09 9:00am

NoVideo

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Bfunkthe1 said:

NoVideo said:



I'll have Crimson & Clover before The Morning After, and then close MPLSound with Elixer, then F.U.N.K. Works great as a 24-track double album.

I like that idea. I may steal it. wink


I'm tempted to try and mix it up a bit more so that the rock and funk tracks aren't on 2 seperate discs... like a true SOTT-type effort with a wide variety of sounds and styles. It would be an interesting experiment in sequencing. I enjoy doing stuff like that... yeah, I know, i'm a geek cool
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