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PrintableOldFriends4Sale said: stanleylieber said: see, my memory is off in several places.
the following is by no means a complete list, but i'm including some tracks you didn't list just for context. the revolution was very much a part of the sound that hung around all the way until 'graffiti bridge.' from 'dmsr' by per nilsen: Erotic City - 30 december, 1983 We Can Fuck - 31 december, 1983 The Question Of U - late july, 1985 Power Fantastic - 19 march, 1986 Databank - 17 june, 1986 (for 'the dawn' musical?) Can't Stop This Feeling I Got - 17 june, 1986 (for 'the dawn' musical?) We Can Funk - 17 june, 1986 (this is the slow version)(for 'the dawn' musical?) Joy In Repetition - 17 july, 1986 Soul Psychodelicide - 22 july, 1986 Make Yo Mamma Happy - 8 august, 1986 It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night - 25 august, 1986 Coco Boys - 25 august, 1986 (for 'the dawn' musical?) all of the '86 stuff above was recorded either alone by prince or with the revolution before they were disbanded. below starts the period immediately after he disbanded the revolution. Crucial - 13 september, 1986 (for 'the dawn' musical?) Coco Boys - 14 september, 1986 (a different version?)(for 'the dawn' musical?) Superfunkycalifragisexy - september, 1986 (for 'the dawn' musical?) Rebirth Of The Flesh - 28 october, 1986 the following are songs associated with the continuing, on-again, off-again 'graffiti bridge' project. Melody Cool - july, 1987 Graffiti Bridge - july, 1987 The Grand Progression - autumn, 1987 (michael bland said this was the first song he worked on, but that would have been in '89, so this '87 version must be more primitive tracking or an entirely different recording) Ruthie Washington Jet Blues - 15 september, 1987 Beat Town - 30 september, 1987 When 2 R In Love - october, 1987 Take This Beat - autumn/winter 1987 1 december, 1987 was 'blue tuesday.' prince's ecstasy trip that lead to the shelving of 'the black album' and the creation of 'lovesexy.' (which you wrote about here. it's interesting that prince worked on 'graffiti bridge' for so long -- both before and after his self-described spiritual transformation. Eye Know - 11 december, 1987 Positivity - 11 december, 1987 (first version) Lovesexy - 14 december, 1987 (first version) Dance On - 16 december, 1987 Glam Slam - december, 1987 Scarlet Pussy - december, 1987 Latino Barbie Doll - december, 1987 The Line - 22 december, 1987 Alphabet St. - 30 december, 1987 that's where 'dmsr' by per nilsen cuts off. the rest is sourced from princeinfo.net. Lovesexy - 29 january, 1988 (album version) I Wish U Heaven - 31 january, 1988 (second version) The Max - 10 february, 1988 (first version) Positivity - april 2, 1988 (album version) Fuchsia Light - april 15, 1988 Electric Chair - 6 june, 1988 God Is Alive - 6 june, 1988 (initial tracking) Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic - 6 june, 1988 (first version) Pink Cashmere - 9 june, 1988 (first version) Pink Cashmere - 9 june, 1988 (second version) Pink Cashmere - 9 june, 1988 (third version) Rave Unto The Joy Fantastic - 24 july, 1988 (second version) God Is Alive - 27 july, 1988 (mavis vocals at olympic studios, london) People Without - 19 august, 1988 (cat glover said it was basically an adlib) If U Let Me Undress U - 21 august, 1988 I Wish U Heaven (pt. 1, 2, 3) - 24 august, 1988 Big House - 4 october, 1988 Still Would Stand All Time - 6 october, 1988 (first version) Elephants And Flowers - 6 october, 1988 (first version) If I Had A Harem - 6 october, 1988 (studio version) We Got The Power - 15 october, 1988 Scandalous - 17 october, 1988 XYZ - 4 november, 1988 Cookie Jar - 12 november, 1988 Girl Power - 18 november, 1988 Love Song - 18 november, 1988 (the madonna collaboration) Like A Prayer - 18 november, 1988 (the madonna collaboration) Lolly Lolly (According To Prince) - 30 november, 1988 (remix of wendy & lisa song) Xtra Loveable - 1988 (remix) Moonbeam Levels - 1988 (second version) Eye No - 1988 (remix) A Man Called Jesus - 21 december, 1988 Anna Waiting - 31 december, 1988 Fantasia Erotica - 31 december, 1988 Good Judy Girlfriend - 31 december, 1988 there is no info on princeinfo.net about the remaining two tracks. The Future Acknowledge Me Yeah I read about the idea of what would be Graffiti Bridge(the movie back in late 86/87 The Future is the same musical feel as The Line Eye No is basically Ball from the Dream Factory just the words have changed. Your list has still would stand all time (I guess a early studio cut)10.6.1988 but it was performed(not in its fullness) during a Germany Aftershow 8.31.1988 I remember at that 1st Avenue Live Rehearsal show for SOTT during Strange Relationship he introduced Superfunkicalifragisexy the 3 or 4 lines before he said Squirrel Meat I believe even the conversation part of Temptation(ATWIAD) was included in the Purple Rain tour. Thanks 4 sharing your list. Thanx to the two of you for turning this thread round and making it a damn interesting read, I have read both DMSR and Documentary from Per Nilsen, I used to refer to them as my bible ( never managed to get my hands on The Vault  ), I cant remember if he published a third or at least I have never heard of it. Pity, it would make fantastic reading.
As for the original question, I have seen Prince on four different tours 90, 92, 95, 2007 plus 4 aftershows in 2007. Had tickets for SOTT, but it was cancelled, and I wont bother getting into the events that were the cause of me not seeing Lovesexy. However, in my opinion, Lovesexy was the one, this was simply, on a different level. It managed to blend the over the top stage production of the SOTT tour with the rawness of Princes earlier tours like Dirty Mind and Controversy. I would say on a personal level, the closest I got to seeing this was the two concerts I saw in Dublin in 95. If it were not for insanity, I would be sane.
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for the record i agree, 'lovesexy' is my favorite.
i had tickets to an 'act i' show that was canceled. i've only managed to see him twice, in '97 and '98. not the most inspiring shows, unfortunately.  although at the '97 show he did try to take credit for the moon coming up behind the amphitheater. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Here's the trouble dude:
In your first post, you said that the songs on this list were "made with the Lovsexy band". While he may have performed some of them live with that band, though even were recorded by Prince solo in the studio (with a few overdubs by band members on a couple tracks), something that you should know usually happens before a song is played live (there are rare exceptions), so to argue that the Lovesexy band had a hand in their creation is incorrect. Do you see what I'm saying? Just because a specific band was together at that time has never meant that they were involved in Prince's recordings, so yes, many of thos songs were created while that band existed, but they had nothing to do with them. And there are still some errors in your "proof": The Future: was not recorded until Prince began work on the Batman soundtrack in early 89. Joy In Repetion: Recorded in 86, and as far as I know wasn't played live until the Emancipation Proclamation show in 96. I certainily can't find a reference to it being played on the Lovesxy tour. Can you provide a date for an earlier outing? People Wihtout: We still don't have evidence that this song was even recorded in the studio. It certainly sounds like a it was improvised. We Can Funk: Actually first recorded in 83. Acknowledge Me: There is no way in the world that this song was recorded in 88. If you think, so you're nuts. I could go, but the mess of quote tags and such is making this hard to decipher. OldFriends4Sale said: And what I should have said(what I usually mean when I refer to a band) is saying it was made during that particular time with either the whole band down to 1 individual. Purple Soldiers help inform where there is misinformation From my understanding 1.) Girl Power was made during the Lovesexy period 4 Sheila E Sessions began in late 1987 for Sheila E.'s fourth album with Prince, with this track being included. The album was scrapped when Sheila left Paisley Park in 1989. Sheila provides the vocals and plays percussion, Boni Boyer on organ, while Prince plays guitar on this number 2.) Make Yo Momma Happy during the SOTT period 3.) Rave(Un2 the Joy Fantastic) during the Lovesexy period(performed at an aftershow) it was already made an Prince wanted presented it for the Batman Soundtrack, replaced by Party Man 4.) The Line is listed as being made in 88 (Lovesexy)The Line poem was made by Ingrid Chavez and played during the Lovesexy Tour 2nd half. The Line With Boni Boyer 7:51 The Line (Reprise) Boni Boyer sings Precious Lord 1:03 This song was recorded with the Lovesexy tour band in late 1987. Prince wrote the song in response to a poem by Ingrid Chavez called "The Line." It is a sparse, monotonous bass-driven rock number with prominent vocals by Sheila E. and Boni Boyer. The song borrows some music and lyrics from "Take My Hand, Precious Lord" (by Thomas A. Dorsey). Toward the end, a new dance called "The Kangaroo" is introduced. The theme of "crossing the line" was used in the Lovesexy shows. 5.) I was told this and the sound is just the same that the Future was made at the same time. 6.)God is Alive was made during the Lovesexy period but was performed during the a Lovesexy Aftershow, Mavis Staples added her vocals later 7.) Joy In Repetition was also performed during the Lovesexy aftershows Joy In Repetition: Recorded and mixed by Susan Rogers at Sunset Sound, Los Angeles. We all know Susan was gone after Lovesexy 8.)People Without 9.) & Still Would Stand All Time were performed with the Lovesexy band at the same aftershow see reply #47 in this thread 10) Pink Cashmere was like Rave was inspired by Anna Fantastic, she appeared in the Party Man video but had left Prince prior to Graffiti Bridge... that one was either record during the Lovesexy period into Batman, he started (seeing her during the SOTT period) Its credited as being recorded June 1988 smack in the middle of the Lovesexy(era)tour Pink Cashmere 1988 outtake missing Clare Fischer strings 6:02 Pink Cashmere '93 Unreleased reggae-sounding remix from aborted Pope 12-inch lp 6:06 11.) Rebirth of the Flesh was either the Revolution or preSOTT band A lot of the music made for Graffiti Bridge was not original for that period. Tick Tick Bang made during Dirty Mind/Controversy We Can Funk(the Revolution/Dream Factory) Melody Cool(1987) We Can Funk #1 (1986) We Can Funk #2 (1989) We Can Funk #3 (1989) 9:59 Sheila E was away from the Prince camp by the time this movie came out (I believe she had a collapsed lung at that time) yet Sheila is credited as performing drums & vocals Graffiti Bridge(song): Featuring Mavis Staples and Tevin Campbell Backing voice and Bass by Levi Seacer Jr. Backing voice and Organ by Boni Boyer Backing voice and Drums by Sheila E. the title track was updated from the 1987 recording, as well as Elephants & Flowers and The Latest Fashion (later given to The Time) are credited as well Eric Leeds - Saxophone Atlanta Bliss - Trumpet (no mention of the Dr and you know he was in there) You said: Um, no. The only one of those songs to feature the SOTT/Lovesexy band is The Line. And I believe I've proven my facts (as close as any of us can)I have a few Lovesexy Shows(same band and SOTT) with those songs performed. Have I refuted your statement? Acknowledge Me was intended for the Gold experience, yes he sampled Boni's voice yet he sampled from the Line & All My Dreams, so he could have easily recorded it during the SOTT/Lovesexy period I'm adding We Got The Power & The Voice Inside to the list since I recently got a hold of the original outtake(s) (recorded during the Lovesexy Tour) TwiliteKid said: OldFriends4Sale said:
Songs made with the Lovesexy band Make Yo Mamma Happy Girl Power Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic the Line the Future God Is Alive Joy In Repitition People Without Acknowledge Me Still Would Stand All Time Pink Cashmere Rebirth Of The Flesh Um, no. The only one of those songs to feature the SOTT/Lovesexy band is The Line. Some of them may be from the same era, but that doesn't mean they had anything to do with them. You're particularly far off on Acknowledge Me, which dates from 93. The Bonnie wail at the beginning is a sample. She was long gone by then. [Edited 4/3/09 18:17pm] [Edited 4/3/09 18:20pm] [/quote] | |
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Never saw it live but I think the SOTT show is better. Not a fan of the "in the round" set up and it seems SOTT was just a more "hard core" core. |
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I think your just being argumentative, over little semantics
I'm saying Prince was with the Lovesexy Band when he made those songs, I did not say Prince and the Lovesexy band made these songs. Your reading that into my post. Yet Prince had a collaborative relationship with the Lovesexy band as well as the Revolution. All Prince fans know a song could have been written and composed by Prince alone or with the whole band or just with Sheila & Boni or with Cat or whoever Even songs that say Composed by Prince doesn't mean someone else didn't have a hand in the creative process. I don't think you read thru my post clearly I didn't say Acknowledge Me was recorded in 88 I did say the song incorporated a lot of previous music and vocals from work from 87/88 As far as Joy In Repetition, as I said that was completed and record with Susan Rogers,(this is on the G.B. credits) Susan left the Prince camp I believe right after he complete Lovesexy So Joy In Repetition was done during the SOTT-Black Album-Lovesexy timetable. TwiliteKid said: Here's the trouble dude:
In your first post, you said that the songs on this list were "made with the Lovsexy band". While he may have performed some of them live with that band, though even were recorded by Prince solo in the studio (with a few overdubs by band members on a couple tracks), something that you should know usually happens before a song is played live (there are rare exceptions), so to argue that the Lovesexy band had a hand in their creation is incorrect. Do you see what I'm saying? Just because a specific band was together at that time has never meant that they were involved in Prince's recordings, so yes, many of thos songs were created while that band existed, but they had nothing to do with them. And there are still some errors in your "proof": The Future: was not recorded until Prince began work on the Batman soundtrack in early 89. Joy In Repetion: Recorded in 86, and as far as I know wasn't played live until the Emancipation Proclamation show in 96. I certainily can't find a reference to it being played on the Lovesxy tour. Can you provide a date for an earlier outing? People Wihtout: We still don't have evidence that this song was even recorded in the studio. It certainly sounds like a it was improvised. We Can Funk: Actually first recorded in 83. Acknowledge Me: There is no way in the world that this song was recorded in 88. If you think, so you're nuts. I could go, but the mess of quote tags and such is making this hard to decipher. OldFriends4Sale said: And what I should have said(what I usually mean when I refer to a band) is saying it was made during that particular time with either the whole band down to 1 individual. Purple Soldiers help inform where there is misinformation From my understanding 1.) Girl Power was made during the Lovesexy period 4 Sheila E Sessions began in late 1987 for Sheila E.'s fourth album with Prince, with this track being included. The album was scrapped when Sheila left Paisley Park in 1989. Sheila provides the vocals and plays percussion, Boni Boyer on organ, while Prince plays guitar on this number 2.) Make Yo Momma Happy during the SOTT period 3.) Rave(Un2 the Joy Fantastic) during the Lovesexy period(performed at an aftershow) it was already made an Prince wanted presented it for the Batman Soundtrack, replaced by Party Man 4.) The Line is listed as being made in 88 (Lovesexy)The Line poem was made by Ingrid Chavez and played during the Lovesexy Tour 2nd half. The Line With Boni Boyer 7:51 The Line (Reprise) Boni Boyer sings Precious Lord 1:03 This song was recorded with the Lovesexy tour band in late 1987. Prince wrote the song in response to a poem by Ingrid Chavez called "The Line." It is a sparse, monotonous bass-driven rock number with prominent vocals by Sheila E. and Boni Boyer. The song borrows some music and lyrics from "Take My Hand, Precious Lord" (by Thomas A. Dorsey). Toward the end, a new dance called "The Kangaroo" is introduced. The theme of "crossing the line" was used in the Lovesexy shows. 5.) I was told this and the sound is just the same that the Future was made at the same time. 6.)God is Alive was made during the Lovesexy period but was performed during the a Lovesexy Aftershow, Mavis Staples added her vocals later 7.) Joy In Repetition was also performed during the Lovesexy aftershows Joy In Repetition: Recorded and mixed by Susan Rogers at Sunset Sound, Los Angeles. We all know Susan was gone after Lovesexy 8.)People Without 9.) & Still Would Stand All Time were performed with the Lovesexy band at the same aftershow see reply #47 in this thread 10) Pink Cashmere was like Rave was inspired by Anna Fantastic, she appeared in the Party Man video but had left Prince prior to Graffiti Bridge... that one was either record during the Lovesexy period into Batman, he started (seeing her during the SOTT period) Its credited as being recorded June 1988 smack in the middle of the Lovesexy(era)tour Pink Cashmere 1988 outtake missing Clare Fischer strings 6:02 Pink Cashmere '93 Unreleased reggae-sounding remix from aborted Pope 12-inch lp 6:06 11.) Rebirth of the Flesh was either the Revolution or preSOTT band A lot of the music made for Graffiti Bridge was not original for that period. Tick Tick Bang made during Dirty Mind/Controversy We Can Funk(the Revolution/Dream Factory) Melody Cool(1987) We Can Funk #1 (1986) We Can Funk #2 (1989) We Can Funk #3 (1989) 9:59 Sheila E was away from the Prince camp by the time this movie came out (I believe she had a collapsed lung at that time) yet Sheila is credited as performing drums & vocals Graffiti Bridge(song): Featuring Mavis Staples and Tevin Campbell Backing voice and Bass by Levi Seacer Jr. Backing voice and Organ by Boni Boyer Backing voice and Drums by Sheila E. the title track was updated from the 1987 recording, as well as Elephants & Flowers and The Latest Fashion (later given to The Time) are credited as well Eric Leeds - Saxophone Atlanta Bliss - Trumpet (no mention of the Dr and you know he was in there) You said: Um, no. The only one of those songs to feature the SOTT/Lovesexy band is The Line. And I believe I've proven my facts (as close as any of us can)I have a few Lovesexy Shows(same band and SOTT) with those songs performed. Have I refuted your statement? Acknowledge Me was intended for the Gold experience, yes he sampled Boni's voice yet he sampled from the Line & All My Dreams, so he could have easily recorded it during the SOTT/Lovesexy period I'm adding We Got The Power & The Voice Inside to the list since I recently got a hold of the original outtake(s) (recorded during the Lovesexy Tour) [Edited 4/3/09 18:17pm] [Edited 4/3/09 18:20pm] | |
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Whitnail said: OldFriends4Sale said: Yeah I read about the idea of what would be Graffiti Bridge(the movie back in late 86/87 The Future is the same musical feel as The Line Eye No is basically Ball from the Dream Factory just the words have changed. Your list has still would stand all time (I guess a early studio cut)10.6.1988 but it was performed(not in its fullness) during a Germany Aftershow 8.31.1988 I remember at that 1st Avenue Live Rehearsal show for SOTT during Strange Relationship he introduced Superfunkicalifragisexy the 3 or 4 lines before he said Squirrel Meat I believe even the conversation part of Temptation(ATWIAD) was included in the Purple Rain tour. Thanks 4 sharing your list. Thanx to the two of you for turning this thread round and making it a damn interesting read, I have read both DMSR and Documentary from Per Nilsen, I used to refer to them as my bible ( never managed to get my hands on The Vault ), I cant remember if he published a third or at least I have never heard of it. Pity, it would make fantastic reading.
As for the original question, I have seen Prince on four different tours 90, 92, 95, 2007 plus 4 aftershows in 2007. Had tickets for SOTT, but it was cancelled, and I wont bother getting into the events that were the cause of me not seeing Lovesexy. However, in my opinion, Lovesexy was the one, this was simply, on a different level. It managed to blend the over the top stage production of the SOTT tour with the rawness of Princes earlier tours like Dirty Mind and Controversy. I would say on a personal level, the closest I got to seeing this was the two concerts I saw in Dublin in 95. July 9th 1988Aftershow at Les Baines Douches club in Paris with Anna Fantactis(Garcia) inspiration behind Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic & Pink Cashmere  | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: As far as Joy In Repetition, as I said that was completed and record with Susan Rogers,(this is on the G.B. credits) Susan left the Prince camp I believe right after he complete Lovesexy So Joy In Repetition was done during the SOTT-Black Album-Lovesexy timetable. according to per nilsen's book and princeinfo.net, 'joy in repetition' was first tracked on 16 july, 1986. susan rogers left prince's employ before 1 december, 1987, because she said prince called her even though she didn't work for him anymore. this means she couldn't have worked on 'lovesexy' because it was not started until after 1 december, 1987. most of the 'sott' and 'black album' material was recorded in that mid- 1986 period before prince started pulling together the 'sott' band. this was after he fired the revolution. he did a lot of tracks working alone (with susan rogers) at sunset sound. i think all anyone is trying to establish here is that many of the songs you claim for the sott/lovesexy band couldn't have been recorded with them because the songs were either recorded before he put the group together as an entity or after they had already started to wander off. yes, some of them were definitely created with the sott/lovesexy band, and sometimes literally with the band in the studio. [Edited 4/4/09 13:13pm] it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: I think your just being argumentative, over little semantics
I'm saying Prince was with the Lovesexy Band when he made those songs, I did not say Prince and the Lovesexy band made these songs. Your reading that into my post. Yet Prince had a collaborative relationship with the Lovesexy band as well as the Revolution. All Prince fans know a song could have been written and composed by Prince alone or with the whole band or just with Sheila & Boni or with Cat or whoever Even songs that say Composed by Prince doesn't mean someone else didn't have a hand in the creative process. I don't think you read thru my post clearly I didn't say Acknowledge Me was recorded in 88 I did say the song incorporated a lot of previous music and vocals from work from 87/88 As far as Joy In Repetition, as I said that was completed and record with Susan Rogers,(this is on the G.B. credits) Susan left the Prince camp I believe right after he complete Lovesexy So Joy In Repetition was done during the SOTT-Black Album-Lovesexy timetable. I'm not just being argumentative, nor do I think I'm reading into your post. You've clarified your meaning here, but you first post did, in fact, suggest that the Lovesexy band were involved in the creation or recording of the list of songs you provided. I don't think there's much evidence for your idea that he had much of a collaborative relationship with that band (certianly not on the same scale he did with the Revolution/W&L). Indeed, I think you'll find that most of Lovesexy (the album) were recorded without them, despite what the liner notes suggest. Once again, your notion that Prince wrote with Boni (or, laughably, Cat) is unsupported by evidence. On the subject of Acknowledge Me, you've changed your tune a bit, but again: the idea that the song incorporates anything other than a single sample from the Lovesexy period is ludicrious and not something that careful listening to the song supports. And as for Joy In Repetition: if anyone can be claimed to have had an influence on this track, it would by Wendy and Lisa, not the Lovesexy band. (By the way, have you come up with a single instance of it being performed in 87-88? I thought not). | |
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i screwed up before. princeinfo.net does seem to have info on 1993, i just can't get the javascript menu to work. it won't load the page for me. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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