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PrintableL4OATheOriginal said: HamsterHuey said: PS, this is also the reason I never listen to Avalanche, which I suppose it another highlight to many others. His want to re-write the scriptures and history just bugs me majorly.
without getting in2 a political debate about the subject matter of the song avalanche, it is true that without the 14th amendment, slavery would have still b legal in the united states. thus lincoln had 2 abolish it. Wrong Amendment . . . From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution is one of the post-Civil War amendments (also known as the Reconstruction Amendments), first intended to secure rights for former slaves. It includes the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses, among others. It was proposed on June 13, 1866, and was ratified on July 9, 1868.[1] The amendment provides a broad definition of United States citizenship, superseding the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford that had excluded slaves imported from Africa and their descendants. The amendment requires states to provide equal protection under the law to all persons within their jurisdictions and was used in the mid-20th century to dismantle racial segregation in the United States, as in Brown v. Board of Education. Its Due Process Clause has been the basis of much important and controversial case law regarding privacy rights, abortion (see Roe v. Wade), and other issues. The other two post-Civil War amendments are the Thirteenth Amendment (banning slavery) and the Fifteenth Amendment (banning race-based voting qualifications). According to Supreme Court Justice Noah Swayne, "Fairly construed, these amendments may be said to rise to the dignity of a new Magna Carta."[2] I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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sarkozyiszeman said: To me, TRC is easily in his top 5. Best musicianship ever shown by Prince on a CD btw.
I think it is a cultural thing. I have read terrible articles about TRC in the USA and extremely positive ones in European western countries. Very weird. I prefer listening to the album live. It has less of that irritating voice attached to each track. I would love to listen to it without all that. It would be a fantastic work but he had to spoil it. SO I can't listen to it as often as I'd like. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. | |
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psychodelicide said: tane1976 said: Why????
I am listening to that other much better "comeback" album of 2001, by some one called Michael Jackson, its called "Invincible" anyone heard of it. Cry is an amazing song.  This is Prince.org, not Michael Jackson The Pedophile.org.  Let's not turn this into an "Invincible is better than TRC" discussion.
[Edited 7/22/08 11:55am] [Edited 7/22/08 11:56am] Michael is not a paedophile, he was cleared twice of trumped up cases caused by Hispanic money leaching boys with greedy families. Michael loves children but not in that way and as far as fans ago, at least Michael is not suing his all the time or clamping down on Youtube. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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psychodelicide said: L4OATheOriginal said: oh okay i know what ur speaking about I have a Rainbow Children T-shirt with that picture on it.  Actually, I think it was a drawing.  well if it's a drawing, it's a very good one  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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rusty1 said: TRC is his last creative effort. it reminded when he used 2 consistently used 2 do this back in the day. I apologize 2 LOVE 4 ONE ANOTHER... I'm a huge fan of wbai and all of the prince specials. I've been a fan of them since anthony sloanback in 1985. like sly stone said... diffrent strokes 4 dfferent folks. i'm sorry for the fams comment as well. You're a prince fan.. and that all by itself shows you have great taste in music. I'll never challenge your tastes again. Will u 4give me?....BOBBY
ur apology should not just xtend 2 me, it should b 2 all those that u ridicule 4 liking his music past the time period u love the most. everyone has their own love of his music and it may come as a shock 2 u and some others on here that prince's legacy didn't end after the 80's. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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alandail said: jdcxc said: I don't want to get into the whole RC discussion but I have to defend this brilliant, complex, beautiful and challenging song. The lyrical metaphor of cascading avalanches brought on by ignorance and our country's refusal to deal honesty with the subject of racism is perfectly projected by the achingly beautiful vocals and piano. When I saw this song live my jaw dropped. It was so suprising and a perfect example of inspiring art. What part of history is rewritten? Prince "Abraham Lincoln was a racist" Frederick Douglas - "In all my interviews with Mr. Lincoln I was impressed with his entire freedom from popular prejudice against the colored race. He was the 1st great man that I talked with in the U.S. freely, who in no single instance reminded me of the difference between himself and myself, of the difference of color, and I thought that all the more remarkable because he came from a State where there were black laws." Prince "if it wasn't 4 the 13th Amendment we woulda been born in slavery" President Lincoln took an active role to ensure its (the 13th Amendment) passage through the House by ensuring the amendment was added to the Republican Party platform for the upcoming Presidential elections. did u know that abraham lincoln owned slaves? 
but dammit i don't want 2 turn this in2 a P&R thread ... sorry nancy man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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SUPRMAN said: sarkozyiszeman said: To me, TRC is easily in his top 5. Best musicianship ever shown by Prince on a CD btw.
I think it is a cultural thing. I have read terrible articles about TRC in the USA and extremely positive ones in European western countries. Very weird. I prefer listening to the album live. It has less of that irritating voice attached to each track. I would love to listen to it without all that. It would be a fantastic work but he had to spoil it. SO I can't listen to it as often as I'd like. whenever people refer 2 this album and his voice as the "darth vader" voice, i have 2 chuckle cause it's not the 1st time he's used this voice. it's the same voice he used in the beginning of 1999, bob george, the whole exodus album, yet TRC gets blamed 4 the narration of a story. i just don't get it  man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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violetblues said: psychodelicide said: I respect that you have your own opinions on this topic, but if this subject has been "beat to death", and you only wish to post on here to "bash this stupid thing at any chance I get", then why bother posting? Not trying to start anything, I'm just saying. Becauce this really needs a counterpoint in my opinion. It's always the same 3 or 4 characters trying prompt this mess up with the same ol " i usto hate it untill i forced myself to like it' routine" they express their point and me mine. But mostly because i really do passionately hate this thing [Edited 7/22/08 19:35pm] Fair enough. I don't think I've ever forced my myself to listen to a Prince CD until I liked it. If I listen to it a couple of times and still don't like it, then I just let it go at that.  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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tane1976 said: psychodelicide said: This is Prince.org, not Michael Jackson The Pedophile.org. Let's not turn this into an "Invincible is better than TRC" discussion.
[Edited 7/22/08 11:55am] [Edited 7/22/08 11:56am] Michael is not a paedophile, he was cleared twice of trumped up cases caused by Hispanic money leaching boys with greedy families. Michael loves children but not in that way and as far as fans ago, at least Michael is not suing his all the time or clamping down on Youtube. Well, that's your opinion, but I happen to disagree with it. Typical response from a hard-core MJ fan. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: SUPRMAN said: I prefer listening to the album live. It has less of that irritating voice attached to each track. I would love to listen to it without all that. It would be a fantastic work but he had to spoil it. SO I can't listen to it as often as I'd like. whenever people refer 2 this album and his voice as the "darth vader" voice, i have 2 chuckle cause it's not the 1st time he's used this voice. it's the same voice he used in the beginning of 1999, bob george, the whole exodus album, yet TRC gets blamed 4 the narration of a story. i just don't get it  And don't forget Temptation!!
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L4OATheOriginal said: psychodelicide said: I have a Rainbow Children T-shirt with that picture on it. Actually, I think it was a drawing. well if it's a drawing, it's a very good one Agreed. I still wear my Rainbow Children T-shirt.RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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simm0061 said: L4OATheOriginal said: whenever people refer 2 this album and his voice as the "darth vader" voice, i have 2 chuckle cause it's not the 1st time he's used this voice. it's the same voice he used in the beginning of 1999, bob george, the whole exodus album, yet TRC gets blamed 4 the narration of a story. i just don't get it And don't forget The Ladder!!he didn't use it on the ladder he just spoke in a monotone style until the chorus where he starts singing man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: simm0061 said: And don't forget The Ladder!!he didn't use it on the ladder he just spoke in a monotone style until the chorus where he starts singing I liked Prince's voice on "The Ladder". But then again, I'm a female, so I guess I'm supposed to say that. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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psychodelicide said: L4OATheOriginal said: he didn't use it on the ladder he just spoke in a monotone style until the chorus where he starts singing I liked Prince's voice on "The Ladder". But then again, I'm a female, so I guess I'm supposed to say that. do u need some ahhh ..ahhhh ...towels? man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: simm0061 said: And don't forget The Ladder!!he didn't use it on the ladder he just spoke in a monotone style until the chorus where he starts singing Doh!! You're right!! I meant on Temptation!! Will make edits now! | |
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I do apologize 2 everyone on this site. I'm just totally fond of that period of music because that's when i first discovered him. When i first heard when doves cry it blew me away. i never heard anything like that song in my life. I was amazed by that arrangement and musicanship of that song. I have stayed a fan of his since 1984 through all of his ups and downs. I might complain but i know what a genious Prince is and will always be. BOB4theFUNK | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: alandail said: Prince "Abraham Lincoln was a racist" Frederick Douglas - "In all my interviews with Mr. Lincoln I was impressed with his entire freedom from popular prejudice against the colored race. He was the 1st great man that I talked with in the U.S. freely, who in no single instance reminded me of the difference between himself and myself, of the difference of color, and I thought that all the more remarkable because he came from a State where there were black laws." Prince "if it wasn't 4 the 13th Amendment we woulda been born in slavery" President Lincoln took an active role to ensure its (the 13th Amendment) passage through the House by ensuring the amendment was added to the Republican Party platform for the upcoming Presidential elections. did u know that abraham lincoln owned slaves?
but dammit i don't want 2 turn this in2 a P&R thread ... sorry nancy Actually, Lincoln never owned slaves. Avalance rips lincoln and gives him no credit for freeing slaves. The truth is that before the war, Lincoln believed it would be unconstitutional for the government to pass a law to free slaves. He did back laws to prevent slavery from extending into states that didn't already have it. During the war, his war powers gave him the authority to do things that weren't otherwise constitutional - he used that power to free all slaves in the south. He then was a major backer of the 13th amendment to constitutionally end slavery - which only still existed in Kentucky after the emancipation proclamation. I think I read once (after avalanche was released) that Lincoln wrote the 13th amendment, but couldn't find a reference when I looked last night. Avalanche is one of the few prince songs I won't listen to because it's just plain wrong. I much prefer the lyrics to Race. Before her momma or another kid at school Tells her about the fallacy that 1 race rules over the other She'd be a much-better-off-left fool (Face the music) If we never heard about the evils that those before us committed Then how my dear, tell me now how my dear, tell me now how now would we know ... D-d-down with H-I-S-T-O-R-Y and all this BS propagandi Keepin U from me and me from U as we grow I don't wanna know (I don't wanna know) Why those before us hated each other I'd rather believe they never did I'd rather believe (I'd rather, I'd rather believe) That there's hope 4 a kid [Edited 7/23/08 12:27pm] [Edited 7/23/08 12:31pm] [Edited 7/23/08 12:32pm] [Edited 7/23/08 16:14pm] | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: simm0061 said: And don't forget The Ladder!!he didn't use it on the ladder he just spoke in a monotone style until the chorus where he starts singing I think they meant Temptation where he was imitating God. | |
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ejnbmore said: L4OATheOriginal said: he didn't use it on the ladder he just spoke in a monotone style until the chorus where he starts singing I think they meant Temptation where he was imitating God. Yep, that is what I meant!
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L4OATheOriginal said: alandail said: Prince "Abraham Lincoln was a racist" Frederick Douglas - "In all my interviews with Mr. Lincoln I was impressed with his entire freedom from popular prejudice against the colored race. He was the 1st great man that I talked with in the U.S. freely, who in no single instance reminded me of the difference between himself and myself, of the difference of color, and I thought that all the more remarkable because he came from a State where there were black laws." Prince "if it wasn't 4 the 13th Amendment we woulda been born in slavery" President Lincoln took an active role to ensure its (the 13th Amendment) passage through the House by ensuring the amendment was added to the Republican Party platform for the upcoming Presidential elections. did u know that abraham lincoln owned slaves?
but dammit i don't want 2 turn this in2 a P&R thread ... sorry nancy Abraham Lincoln did not own slaves.  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: psychodelicide said: I liked Prince's voice on "The Ladder". But then again, I'm a female, so I guess I'm supposed to say that. do u need some ahhh ..ahhhh ...towels? Nah, I'm okay. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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L4OATheOriginal said: alandail said: Prince "Abraham Lincoln was a racist" Frederick Douglas - "In all my interviews with Mr. Lincoln I was impressed with his entire freedom from popular prejudice against the colored race. He was the 1st great man that I talked with in the U.S. freely, who in no single instance reminded me of the difference between himself and myself, of the difference of color, and I thought that all the more remarkable because he came from a State where there were black laws." Prince "if it wasn't 4 the 13th Amendment we woulda been born in slavery" President Lincoln took an active role to ensure its (the 13th Amendment) passage through the House by ensuring the amendment was added to the Republican Party platform for the upcoming Presidential elections. did u know that abraham lincoln owned slaves?
but dammit i don't want 2 turn this in2 a P&R thread ... sorry nancy  That's okay, no need to apologize.RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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