Forgive me if I am late on this...but I'm kinda confused right now

I went on Youtube recently and I like seeing different musicians's covers of Prince songs during their live sets...well I went to see a Travis McCoy (from gym class heroes) acoustic cover of When Doves Cry...and it's muted...i thought it was that one song...but every song that mentions Prince even if another artist performed it has been muted...people are getting e-mails from Universal about their videos...

everyone who has done a live performance cover of a Prince song...EVER...has basically been muted...pro and amateur

i wouldn't be as pissed about this...but the only song I could find not muted from a live performance were covers of "when you were mine"...but a Prince girl cannot live on one song alone

but my thing is....is he is allowed to do this, isn't this a huge double standard??..how can Prince perform covers at his concerts of various artists without their permission...oasis.....and yet he wants to mute anyone who performs covers of his songs???

oh well you guys...you might want to download the classic Cyndi Lauper Live "When You were Mine Cover" before it's muted FOREVER
http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related
...why Prince...why???

im waiting for prince to remove "music" from the internet cuz its something he does....part-time.

mehogeni said:

Its ok honey..it seems like the Whole world lately is very confused.
And thats ok considering in this life we are all "Little brains".
One day you will understand why Prince has chosen to do what he has done.
Until then it seems that it Is his right. Period. Like it or not, fair or not fair.

i found this on the net, i dont remember where or who wrote it, but if it helps you...COOL

A performance cannot be copyrighted.Unless the performance has creative elements which stand on their own, i.e. the arrangement, the guitar solo, the intonations chosen when singing the lyrics, etc. Of course, that would technically be a composer's copyright, but that sounds confusing, so most groups that deal with legal fan-made recordings (i.e. the Internet Archive's Live Music Archive [archive.org]) usually just refer to it as a performance copyright. Basically, what it boils down to is that Prince's performance constitutes a derivative work, and unless Radiohead is now releasing their music under a copyleft, they have no say in the matter. The most they could do is ask the fan to remove the creative elements from the derivative work that Prince owns and release whatever is left, but the result would probably be incomprehensible, assuming that such removal were even possible. (Alternatively, they could try to prove that Prince's additions to his arrangement were too minimal to justify copyright protection, but that's likely to be very difficult.)

(If Radiohead's works were released under a copyleft, then Prince would have to choose between allowing fans to distribute his versions or not performing Radiohead compositions at all, but since they aren't, he doesn't.)



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In essence...I"m a lil confused 2.
SoydontwejustGetontheboat?!?andTaketheride!?!

oh i dunno - he hasnt muted Alvin and the chipmonks!


http://www.youtube.com/wa...LgMaE&NR=1




altho i think alvins is comparable to this one

http://www.youtube.com/wa...IsDyk&NR=1


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laughin aside tho this is pretty serious.

the comments under the tegan and sara one said ' i prefer the cyndi Lauper original of this'

Prince is erasing himself from living memory IMO.

People who've never heard his old albums have no way now of knowing of them. They dont get airplay and they are not on the net. well a few are via itunes.

its a shame that people think if you were mine is a cyndi lauper song.


Maybe thats why hes gone for the cover muting to stop this misleading people.

But then why not make the originals available. I think hes doing himself, his music and his legend a disservice.
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actually this link says it all:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...re=related
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syble said:

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"People who've never heard his old albums have no way now of knowing of them.a'

They can purchase the CD and I believe some of his music is avalible on ITUNES or they can just go to a concert.
We all managed just fine before YOUTUBE came along.

It really is about a lost of money and at some point YOUTUBE is going to have to cough up some cash as other artist are having content pulled off as well.

what i meant is the younger generation use youtube for everything, hell my kid needed to know how to make an omlete so he looked up on youtube and i got tons of cook books or he coulda just asked me!

no, i think to not have a presence on youtube is damaging in the long run.


people come across bands on youtube and also on myspace etc. for prince to not be on these means his music is not as widely available. sure some kids will search him out on itunes because theyve got family etc who listen to him. but how can joe average who doesnt know of his music listen to it? there are very few albums available on youtube, namely the WB ones.

legends like elvis and MJ have readily available music to buy and videos to download, so their music lives on. Prince is on shakey ground if he thinks his music will continue beyond the fan base. Most peiple i know have never heard a fragment of his stuff, they only know purple rain. and tht includes the kids.

before the net artists had to rely on radio promotion, but hes not on that much either, certainly non of his post wb stuff is apart maybe most beautiful girl in the world.

syble said:

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no, i think to not have a presence on youtube is damaging in the long run.

I disagree because if YOUTUBE does not find a way to turn a profit it will not be around to much longer. See articles. It makes no money for Goggle or the artist.


http://news.cnet.com/8301...l?hhTest=1



http://www.nytimes.com/20...ref=slogin


Look at the amount of money bands get from fees when their music is performed on other types of media.

http://www.rollingstone.c...sell/print

In addtion, I do not think P is hurting for fans or money and it is possible that he is winding down his carreer and just is not that interested.

smashing glass houses one rock at a time
that's what it's about
ordo ab chao
prince subscribes to it
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mehogeni said:

Your serious!!!...Since when?!

I just think that if the argument is that
Youtube generates some traffic
(ie. advertising income) that is rightfully P's,
he should offer an alternative:

PrinceTube!


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Cinnie said:

OMG YES!!!! PRINCETUBE!!!!!

Hey...can we vote on this???

Cinnie said:

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Or Goggle should share the profits with the copyright holders.

mehogeni said:

From what I heard/know Prince wrote the song "When You Were Mine" for Cyndi Lauper I remember having the, yes Im going to say it, "cassette" it was on there as a song of hers on there " She's So Unusual" Album/LP/ cassette(I owned the cassette).Unless he is on a kick again about IF "I supposedly wrote your songs I can block them too" type BS

So IMHO,really Cyndi isnt doing a cover of it he WROTE it for her

Can I get another here we go again eyeroll

The songs I remember that was on there was:
"Money Changes Everything" (Tom Gray) – 5:06
"Girls Just Want To Have Fun" (Robert Hazard) – 3:58
"When You Were Mine" (Prince) – 5:06
"Time After Time" (Rob Hyman, Lauper) – 4:03
"She Bop" (Rick Chertoff, Gary Corbett, Lauper, Stephen Broughton Lunt) – 3:51
"All Through The Night" (Jules Shear) – 4:33
"Witness" (Lauper, John Turi) – 3:40
"I'll Kiss You" (Lauper, Shear) – 4:12
"He's So Unusual" (Al Sherman, Al Lewis, Abner Silver) – 0:45
"Yeah Yeah" (H. Huss, Mikael Rickfors) – 3:18

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...So_Unusual

If I remember correctly he TRIED to do that with Radioheads "Creep" and failed by trying to block other artist songs that HE covered.I see a pattern here with the purple midget dont you all?

I also dont know but ,IF by chance IF adn assuming that she did, Cyndi paid to keep the song as hers there is NO WAY Prince can claim it then.
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The guy is a tool simple as that... a big whiny cry baby but yet he can cover someone else's song and those groups are touched that he did. but yet he claims the song as his.. what a twat,

toots said:

Huh? Where did you hear this? Prince did not write that song for her. It's on his Dirty Mind album which came out in 1981. She did her version in 83 or 84 so it is a cover.

alwayslate said:

Ever hear of being young and trying to remember exaclty what happened geesh. Lighten up will you that is why I put up the link for. try remember every little detail when your 9-12 years of age. I am saying if she bought it to put on her album then she has SOME rights to it. And to cover it even now IF she paid the fees in a way she still has a right but if she doesnt then my point is WHY try and cover other artist songs and claim it as his own when prince dotn liek other artist or being a ass about it NOW then ages ago.Apperently you need to slow down and re-read the post as to what exactly I am trying to say. I havent listened or even popped open the my moms cassette for so long tha tpeople are afriad to even listen to his music at times out of fear of being sued.

OR it could be could be a totally different reason why Prince is being a ass lately especially to other artists for covering or song he writes for them. It wont surprise me at all if he pulled or muted Stevie Nicks "Stand Back" video on youtube( I havent even looked if it was on there).

I want to say too that I read In Possessed by Alex Hahn( I think taht is the book, i read a couple) that he liked to push songs onto other artists but alot of them didnt want his songs , maybe they knew something liek this was going to happen years later, never know,
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Dayclear said:

if we act based on being bullied
does not the bully get some blame

As much as we all like to find things on youtube, 99.9999 percent of what's up there is there illegally -- no permission from the artists, from the copyright holders, from the performers, tv series, whatever. If everyone posting videos on youtube actually followed youtube's own agreement (the one stating you can't post content unless YOU OWN THE RIGHTS TO IT), then youtube would be full of videos of people's cats. We don't really have the right to complain about or get mad at artists who remove something that shouldn't have been there in the first place. Come on. It's only a matter of time before youtube falls victim to their own greed and exploitive practices.

I don't really care, youtube is not the only game in town anymore people, get with it.

Dayclear said:

Your right though

deepabove said:

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Co-sign

YouTube is not going to be around too much longer if they do not cough up some cash for showing the copyright protected marterial. Since when do the laws change because of one website.

he mutes everything. someone posted something a few days ago and it's gone not only in the post here but also in the content of the mentioned piece. if anyone decides to post & show something off - be sure it will vanish immediately. there is definite patrol going on.

aubergine said:

And that's every reason in the world why if you see something with Prince on it in youtube or anywhere else on the internet, sadly, it's so important that you DON'T post is here on the org. It WILL be gone almost as quickly as it's posted here. The Purple Police are here on the org, without a doubt.

purplecam said:

your right purplecam it goes POOF in a matter of minutes that is why some need to ( and yet some dont know HOW either)

^ And some people still don't believe that...

ToraToraDreams said:

yep I know until they post a thread like this saying "YOUTUBE DID THIS THAT OR THE OTHER" especially when they post tthe link!

Everytime they do makes me want to say WTF is wrong with these people

Prince is not the only artist that has had he music muted over there, he was not the first and I doubt he will be the last.

People, people, I got tired of waiting for videos I wanted to see or music I wanted to hear to come up on youtube (or the other places) so I learned how to post my own, there's a way to do EVERYTHING, we are living in an age of miracles.