PRINCE wrote his best material while he was with SUSANAH

songs such as forever in my life and adore were written for her. peince had wriiten some of his most beautiful songs during that period.

rusty1 said:

blackguitaristz said:

blackguitaristz said:

put it where it feel good

Possibly the best muse to the purple.

....and don't forget "If I Was U're Girlfriend", which he wrote because he was jealous that he couldn't share the same closeness with Susannah that she shared with her sister Wendy.

Re: 'other women', both "Pink Cashmere" and "Vicky Waiting" were originally written for his then girlfriend Anna Garcia. While not in the same league as the songs you guys have previously mentioned, "Vicky Waiting" especially contains some personal moments.

Personally, I don't think its that his best material has been written with Susannah, but rather when he's feeling a bit down. However, I would NEVER wish Prince to be unhappy just for the sake of good music.

BlackCandle said:

I'm a Gay man who's PROUD to also be a Prince fan

purplecam said:

BlackCandle said:

rusty said:

blackguitaristz said:

^ I like your Avatar...

One day "Darling Nancy" will be released from the vault along with "Wonderful Nose".

Erm, whoever he was bearding with had little if anything to do with his hardest stuff. His best IMHO was pre-PR, and even though he had gems after that he fell off. I think the state of the industry had more to do with the shift.

blackguitaristz said:

blackguitaristz said:

Genesia said:

Not going to comment everyone has their opinion on this.
[Edited 6/19/08 14:04pm]

blackguitaristz said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

blackguitaristz said:

Don't forget about "The Beautiful Ones". ...Prince's "best" material and his "most beautiful" material are two different things. Besides, one could easily argue that Prince wrote his best when he was with Vanity. Word is that he wrote possibly his best song ever, When Doves Cry, about Susan. Susan from Vanity 6, not Susanah. Point is, while Prince was "with" Susanah, he was also "with" other women at the same time. Just like he was with Vanity, Susan and Jill all at the same time. And no telling how many other women he was with when he wasn't touring. Women that haven't been glorified as Prince women. Women we know nothing about. He could have written Adore or The Beautiful Ones about some chic named Nancy Mcadoo for all we know.

but his most mature material was with mayte

ToraToraDreams said:

^ I like your Avatar...

Just to play devil's advocate here, maybe it wouldn't be so bad if Prince was deeply hurt again and made some great music because of it. I mean, he seems to have healed from Susannah, and yet the great songs he wrote about her are going to exist forever.

CosmicDancer said:

Genesia said:

Don't you think that...on some level...Prince creates the various emotional "environments" necessary for him to create great songs? And that unhappiness can be one of those emotional environments?

Genesia thats the best thing I have read on the Org all year !!!! Great Question !

L4OATheOriginal said:

blackguitaristz said:

Don't forget about "The Beautiful Ones". ...Prince's "best" material and his "most beautiful" material are two different things. Besides, one could easily argue that Prince wrote his best when he was with Vanity. Word is that he wrote possibly his best song ever, When Doves Cry, about Susan. Susan from Vanity 6, not Susanah. Point is, while Prince was "with" Susanah, he was also "with" other women at the same time. Just like he was with Vanity, Susan and Jill all at the same time. And no telling how many other women he was with when he wasn't touring. Women that haven't been glorified as Prince women. Women we know nothing about. He could have written Adore or The Beautiful Ones about some chic named Nancy Mcadoo for all we know.

but his most mature material was with mayte

didnt he write nothing compares 2 u for susannah too? I would certainly say this was a watershed period for prince - and susannah was a constant troughout that - whichever other women came and went.

Yep, I'd agree completely. Doesn't mean he didn't write great material before - he did - lots, and after - well a little.

I agree with the threadstarter.

But was it, because of that relationship, that he wrote his best material? Or was he 'on a roll' in that period of his life, and that brought him 'the girlfriend'? (the chicken-egg thing...).

By the way, i really disagree with some people here who say he was writing his most mature material when he was with Mayte.

The songs he recorded and release during his time with Susannah (parts of the Parade album, the Dream factory, Sign of the Times) are, lyrically, among his most honest and 'human' ones.
He sings about selfdoubt, the complications you fase within a relationship, the complexity of men - women friendships etc.

When it comes to the 'Mayte'-years i always felt they were a step back for him lyrically. Mayte often appearing in his lyrics as the withgoing 'pixie' he could both guide and idolise.
More of a dreamlike, streamlined fairytale of a 'relationship' then the 'reality' of strong women of flesh and blood he was dealing with in his lyrics on Sign of the Times.
[Edited 6/20/08 7:01am]

The Mayte lyrics seemed like he was compensating for something. The whole relationship seemed like MJ kissing Lisa Marie at the MTV Awards.

Riverpoet31 said:

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