L4OATheOriginal said:

okay, just stop making up sh*t...just stop it now. voice your opinion but don't start pulling sh*t out of your arse to justify your opinion...


jes louis.

i'm not nostalgic ,as a matter of fact i always liked npg more then the revolution.
i know prince moved on so was wendy and lisa and brown mark ,bobby,dr fink.
but wouldn't it be great for that ansamble to do a reunion album and tour so we can hear where they are now music wise.

i mean the revolution sound came a long way from cold electro funk rock to the organic soulful jazzy parade sound in just 3 years.

cream reunited after 37 years of not playing together,led zeppelin also,many other bands so why not the revolution.

p.s.
in the year 2000 during celebration prince jammed with the revolution(minus wendy and lisa) on only one song "america" and prince was very rude to bobby z when he missed kick drum.

sosgemini said:

lol


That pic sums up the NPG lovers perfectly!!!

Lastly, me personaly never said they were better because of wendy & Lisa, I think i t was because of the atmosphere of strong personalities bringing out the best in him, im in noway talking anything away from prince.
It was a moment in time when things just jelled, and magic was created.

this whole us vs. them.

you vs. me

npg vs. revolution

arguments are childish...straight up childish...its pathetic that people can't appreciate their own musical preferences without having to resort to acting like a four year old in a sandbox.

this whole us vs. them.

you vs. me

npg vs. revolution

arguments are childish...straight up childish...its pathetic that people can't appreciate their own musical preferences without having to resort to acting like a four year old in a sandbox.

sosgemini said:

It seems the only people upset about this is U. I could care less whom u like better. Everyone here is just sharing an opinion. That is all it will EVER be.

Graycap23 said:

so explain the snark?

this whole us vs. them.

you vs. me

npg vs. revolution

arguments are childish...straight up childish...its pathetic that people can't appreciate their own musical preferences without having to resort to acting like a four year old in a sandbox.

sosgemini said:

What is pathetic to me is that whenver emotion is confronted with fact (logic) some on this board are ready to change the topic. As an instructor of argument, I always teach my students that when a debatable assertion is made, i.e. an argument, the best way to support it is with evidence - facts, logic, examples, etc. The problem on this board is that whenever people have their factless emotions challenged by real evidence the conversations disintegrate into namecalling, irrelevant picture posting (Whitney Houston) and attempts to flat out belittle folks. When all that fails, it's time to avoid answering legitimate questions and to change the subject or "lock" the thread.

There is nothing wrong or childish about making an evaluation of Prince's bands. People make evaluations daily. It's a part of life. Yes it is subjective, but life is subjective. How objective is anyone, really? That said, making baseless claims without any valid support is, in fact, childish and illogical to me. I am not in an "us against them" mindset, I just like to see people back up their subjective claims with some sort of evidence. If anyone has acted like a kid in a sandbox, it is the people who have made blanket claims about Prince, W&L, the Revolution and Prince's post-Revolution and post-80s work. Most adults can provide logical reasons for their opinions without dismissing another's opposing viewpoint by comparing the person to a crackhead, dimssing that person as a delusional fanatic, or intentionally misinterpreting the person's comment.

sosgemini said:

i never saw michael b's explanations but how many times has prince recalled in sonny t and michael b 2 work on tracks since they left the NPG over w & L with more successful acclaim then w & l returning?

sosgemini said:

What is pathetic to me is that whenver emotion is confronted with fact (logic) some on this board are ready to change the topic. As an instructor of argument, I always teach my students that when a debatable assertion is made, i.e. an argument, the best way to support it is with evidence - facts, logic, examples, etc. The problem on this board is that whenever people have their factless emotions challenged by real evidence the conversations disintegrate into namecalling, irrelevant picture posting (Whitney Houston) and attempts to flat out belittle folks. When all that fails, it's time to avoid answering legitimate questions and to change the subject or "lock" the thread.

There is nothing wrong or childish about making an evaluation of Prince's bands. People make evaluations daily. It's a part of life. Yes it is subjective, but life is subjective. How objective is anyone, really? That said, making baseless claims without any valid support is, in fact, childish and illogical to me. I am not in an "us against them" mindset, I just like to see people back up their subjective claims with some sort of evidence. If anyone has acted like a kid in a sandbox, it is the people who have made blanket claims about Prince, W&L, the Revolution and Prince's post-Revolution and post-80s work. Most adults can provide logical reasons for their opinions without dismissing another's opposing viewpoint by comparing the person to a crackhead, dimssing that person as a delusional fanatic, or intentionally misinterpreting the person's comment.

This response is going to be long, but I just have to respond to this.



This is inaccurate in several ways.

I have to say that I am still very perplexed by the people who attribute Prince's greatness to W&L. Also, some say his "greatest, most creative" period was with the Revolution, or that those songs are the most popular or biggest hits. However, I do not see this. We can all agree that Purple Rain was Prince's biggest commercial succes, but in terms of the music, I do not recall The Revoultion/W&L having as much input on that album as some of you claim. Their input is more apparent on ATWIAD and Parade. Those two albums are, in my opinion, the only two real "Prince & The Revolution" albums. So when you point to that era, this is what I think of, the TWO albums that the Revolution partially "influenced." Some of you claim that ATWIAD and Parade were such great hits that were pivotal in Prince's career, all fueled by W&L during that time, but the reality is that they were not. ATWIAD was the moment that casual fans started to go WTF?, especially the earlier R&B/Funk/Soul fans. When Parade came many of these listeners were beginning to pass on Prince. Then the post-Revolution album SOTT brought a lot of them back.

In acutuality, the biggest "hit" from Parade was "Kiss." The biggest hits from ATWIAD were "Pop Life" and "America." Outside of the "fams," and especially the W&L fans, most of the people who I talk to (hardcore and casual fans/listeners) do not list songs off ATWIAD or Parade among their favorite Prince songs. Songs like "Mountains," "Girls and Boys," "Anotherloverholeinyohead," and "America" may have received airplay because of Prince's level of success at the time, but they are not the crowning/critical moments of his career or creativity. Arguments can be made for pre- and post-Revolution music being just as, if not more, significant in his musical legacy. Controversy, Dirty Mind, 1999, SOTT, and LoveSexy were also released in the 1980s, so you cannot attribute the majority of the good music and success of that decade to the Revolution/W&L. The facts simply do not support that assertion.

I REALLY think that the "Jughead" and "Poom Poom" references are a very unfair assessment of Prince's later work. There were WONDERFUL songs on the D&P album, so to single out "Jughead" is ludicrous. The title track, "Cream," and "Gett Off" are arguably as popular as anything from ATWIAD or Parade, and "Insatiable" was very popular on the R&B side. Many of Prince's post-Revolution albums (Grafitti Bridge, D&P, The Symbol Album, Emancipation, TGE, TRC, 3121, etc.) have had some really good and/or great songs on them and some misses, just like all of his other albums. His albums have always been a mixed bag. Some people will dig some stuff more than others, that's life. People can point to throwaways on ATWIAD and Parade too. Purple Rain was probably the most "cohesive" album because it was created partly as a vehicle to cross him over into the mainstream. However, Prince has had post-Revolution success. It is very incorrect to assert that "nobody cares about Prince's post-88" music. Finally, to make the statement that W&L are the reason why Prince is "who we know him to be" comes off as extremely biased and completely untrue.

L4OATheOriginal said:

That argument doesn't really hold weight.

As far as we know, there were issues between Prince and Wendy & Lisa that have affected his working with them post Revolution.
I don't recall reading of any major issues between he and Michael B/Sonny T. It's surely logical that he could find it easier to ask those two guys to return rather than the two girls.
And Prince and Wendy's rendition of 'Reflection' has been praised almost universally, as far as I remember.
The GirlBros have yet to get back with Prince full scale on a project since the 80s. Just a couple of minor contributions to Planet Earth, as far as we know so far.

Prince & The Revolution reforming just for one album/tour? Yep, bring it on.

I doubt they'd capture past glories, but it'd be just lovely to see them all together again. One for us oldies who remember the time.

Are they better/worse than the NPG in whatever umpteen permutations the NPG has been in the past?

Apples and Oranges.

The Revolution were perfect for Prince in the 80s and the ever-changing NPG were fine in the 90s and into the 2000s.

NWF said:

Ok, well I have been to too many Prince concerts to count and he has made similar comments about EVERY band that he has had. I can't watch the Revolution performances outside of the ones in the film Purple Rain, because they are just not as tight as Prince's other bands. Also, the funk just wasn't there. I can watch SOTT, LoveSexy, One Nite Alone and Musicology performances over and over again, because the music alone is tight as all get out.

I have the Purple Rain tour and the 1986 birthday concert and those are the live performances that I rarely watch. I just don't see the personality that you are talking about. The pre-Revolution lineup with Dez, Andre and Prince upfront had more personality and the SOTT/Lovesexy Bands were off the charts in terms of personality with the Cat/Prince dynamic alone, then add Sheila into the mix and it's over. Maybe you should check out some of the live performances with the other bands for a better frame of reference.

sosgemini said:

let's see if i hold 3121 in the palm of my hand (sonny t and michael b) and then i hold up PE (wendy & lisa) in the other...

i'll choose 3121 instead

bellanoche said:

it would b fair 2 say that those that like pop rock will always choose the revolution daze ..where as hard core r & b funk fans will choose pre revolution and the npg ..some never accepted the welcome 2 the dawn

L4OATheOriginal said:

The way you talk its like you are saying Wendy and Lisa are responsible for writing the album I really dont know how much influence they had but I get the feeling most collaborations Prince does are strongly controlled by Prince look at the Collaborations on Rave and you can hardly feel the guest artists personas at all.

Revolution was in a ceratin time and held a certain vibe I dont wanna descredit Prince or what he has done since but yeah I do consider that Revolution period as really spoecial and I believe it happened to be amongst his peak years creatively.

L4OATheOriginal said:

I think thats bs, Prince was doing cold funk in the Revolution before NPG and plenty True Funk Soldiers were digging on him back then. Are you forgetting the Rock feel he was going for in Kaos and Disorder and on TGE.
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bobby z was good drummer listen to his playin on atlanta omni 1980 bootleg from rick james tour

U are being kind. The Revolution was CLEARLY the weakest of all of the bands Prince has had over the years. Nothing left 2 say.

Graycap23 said:

Depends how you define weakness/strength. They may not have had the precision and versatility of his later bands, but you could easily argue they had the most recognizable, unique sound.

MendesCity said:

what was unique about it? it was the linn drum machine that most beats came from yes very unique considering what others were doing at the time, but mostly that's prince not the revolution coming up with those sounds. prince's music during that time if u look at his whole catalogue of material was more pop than soul and funk

Graycap23 said:

Depends how you define weakness/strength. They may not have had the precision and versatility of his later bands, but you could easily argue they had the most recognizable, unique sound.

MendesCity said:

lol.....any way 2 define it, it comes up the same.

Graycap23 said:

Not really--we came up with different conclusions

MendesCity said:

The same 4 u.....the same 4 me.