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NWF

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I don't understand how that "little faggot" I loved growing up has now become such a respected artist

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed
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Reply #1 posted 01/20/08 3:18pm

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NWF said:

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.



But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


is hip hop considered to be music? i think you could make your comments for a lot of artists - if he was english he would probably be in line for an OBE or something
"C'mon y'all - let me hear you sing, c'mon y'all, shake, c'mon y'all, jump" - Yes Prince -
"London do you feel for me what I feel for you"- yes Prince -
"Can I play my guitar now?" - yes please
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Reply #2 posted 01/20/08 3:26pm

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ritaw said:


is hip hop considered to be music? i think you could make your comments for a lot of artists - if he was english he would probably be in line for an OBE or something


Yes, to a certain degree and among certain artists it can be considered music. There are very musical voices and sounds in Hip-Hop. At the same time there's an lot of rubbish in Hip-Hop. And it's sad that in recent times it's the rubbish that represents the genre.

But that's besides the point. What I'm saying is that since Hip-Hop's popularity has eclipsed Prince's sexy, funky sounds since the early 90's, he was pushed out the way for something tougher and macho. And that was what the kids in my school liked. And since there's a lot of homophobia in Hip-Hop, Prince was an easy target, even though he's heterosexual.

Being a Prince fan in my early school years, I was greatly affected by this since Hip-Hop was preferred over that little weirdo. And I suffered for it because there was very little tolerance for anything outside Hip-Hop.
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Outside of people I've met on the org, I still don't know anyone that likes Prince. Over the course of the summer and attendning many O2 shows, I had lots of, "isn't he gay", conversations with friends and collegues.
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Reply #4 posted 01/20/08 3:30pm

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TheEnglishGent said:

Outside of people I've met on the org, I still don't know anyone that likes Prince. Over the course of the summer and attendning many O2 shows, I had lots of, "isn't he gay", conversations with friends and collegues.


And see, that's the problem. The non-fans don't see that the man is straight and loves women (that's all the man sings about). But because he dresses different or flamboyant, he's automatically gay.
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Reply #5 posted 01/20/08 3:39pm

ritaw

NWF said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Outside of people I've met on the org, I still don't know anyone that likes Prince. Over the course of the summer and attendning many O2 shows, I had lots of, "isn't he gay", conversations with friends and collegues.


And see, that's the problem. The non-fans don't see that the man is straight and loves women (that's all the man sings about). But because he dresses different or flamboyant, he's automatically gay.


why is gay a problem with people in these (supposedly) enlightened times - half well maybe not half of the people i work with are gay - but its the work that is important - i'm surprised at your comments re your friends and colleagues
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Reply #6 posted 01/20/08 3:39pm

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NWF said:

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


I've noticed that ever since the Super Bowl Performance & the performance of "Fury" on SNL, people can't help but respect the man for the incredible musician he is. Anyone who saw either of those performances basically had no choice but to give the man his due respect because you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to think otherwise. I prefer it this way, not sure why it angers you. The non-fans are still non-fans, the difference is that they are now aware of his greatness where as before there was a lot of ignorance out there and people would talk alot of shit. To me that is much more infuriating, when people would dis the man and be completely ignorant of his genius. I much prefer it the way it is now, where the majority of the public recognizes his genius.
[Edited 1/20/08 15:40pm]
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Reply #7 posted 01/20/08 3:57pm

Jeffiner

NWF said:

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


lol Well, I was lucky to be there in the 1999 / Purple Rain days, when EVERYONE was either still a Punk, or New Romantic, think Steve Strange, Spandeau Ballet etc. (in the UK anyway) - everyone (including me!) was wearing weird and wonderful flamboyant clothes, make up (lots of men too). Prince wasn't that 'way out' there REALLY. He was still 'different' but people didn't think he was weird, that I remember, they just loved his music! So glad I experienced it all THEN, not in your day - sorry! But good on you for sticking to your guns wink
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Reply #8 posted 01/20/08 4:00pm

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NWF said:

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


I've noticed that ever since the Super Bowl Performance & the performance of "Fury" on SNL, people can't help but respect the man for the incredible musician he is. Anyone who saw either of those performances basically had no choice but to give the man his due respect because you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to think otherwise. I prefer it this way, not sure why it angers you. The non-fans are still non-fans, the difference is that they are now aware of his greatness where as before there was a lot of ignorance out there and people would talk alot of shit. To me that is much more infuriating, when people would dis the man and be completely ignorant of his genius. I much prefer it the way it is now, where the majority of the public recognizes his genius.
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Agreed !
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Reply #9 posted 01/20/08 4:06pm

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Any one that would call Prince soft, insead of romantic, or a sissy, instead of creatively handsome, couldn't have looked any further than a photograph...We know that Prince is a piano man holding a guitar like a funky rocker with a sexy style in a Midnight blue suit.
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Reply #10 posted 01/20/08 4:09pm

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ive had friends become fans just because of the dave chappelle skit...

"...damn that was funny, hey can i borrow some of your CDs?" confused


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Reply #11 posted 01/20/08 5:31pm

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NWF said:

...it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

I have a brother that falls in that catagory. In 1982, I had just moved to California when I learned that Prince was playing at "Flippers" in West Hollywood. Being new there, I didn't know how to get to "Flippers", so I asked my brother to take me and to go with me to see Prince. His reply? "I'm not taking you to go see that Faggot!". Years later (mid-90's or so), he apologized saying "Man, you were right! I should have listened to you and went to see Prince back in the day. Now he's too famous to get tickets to see!" My brother now realizes that Prince is a legend, and he missed the opportunity to see him "come up".

NWF said:

I had to constantly defend him as well as myself.

You weren't fighting THAT battle alone!

NWF said:

He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles.

No one does.

NWF said:

I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

We were probably already Social Outcasts to begin with, which is why we were drawn to Prince and New Wave music.

NWF said:

But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

They don't deserve Prince. The least they can do is stick to their guns.

NWF said:

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed

Unstable, insecure, pathetic, limp-dicked, phoney-ass, hypocritical, wishy-washy, homophobic assholes! Yeah... I agree!
"There's Nothing That The Proper Attitude Won't Render Funkable!"

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Reply #12 posted 01/20/08 8:22pm

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confuse People grow and mature, not go backwards! wink
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Reply #13 posted 01/20/08 10:00pm

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wildgoldenhoney said:

confuse People grow and mature, not go backwards! wink

Yes, except for those who just grow old, remain immature, and those who regress.
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Reply #14 posted 01/20/08 10:28pm

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It seemed like when he took of the clinging clothes, and started to dress dapper with suits and such, that people seemed like they could take him in stride more. He still wears those pumps, but now they're just about covered over til they're invisible by super bell bottoms (a look I don't get myself, but hey that's just me.)

emilio319 said:

NWF said:

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


I've noticed that ever since the Super Bowl Performance & the performance of "Fury" on SNL, people can't help but respect the man for the incredible musician he is. Anyone who saw either of those performances basically had no choice but to give the man his due respect because you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to think otherwise. I prefer it this way, not sure why it angers you. The non-fans are still non-fans, the difference is that they are now aware of his greatness where as before there was a lot of ignorance out there and people would talk alot of shit. To me that is much more infuriating, when people would dis the man and be completely ignorant of his genius. I much prefer it the way it is now, where the majority of the public recognizes his genius.
[Edited 1/20/08 15:40pm]
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Reply #15 posted 01/20/08 11:13pm

OskarKristio2

NWF said:

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed




I know what your saying I lived in an area where I think only a minority of people liked Prince and it was kinda cool I felt a bit unique in being a Prince fan it was my own private joy but I was lucky to get a gf in that time who was totally into him too.

But really I believe Prince always had respect maybe not where I or you lived,
but during the time I got into him early 80's and then throughout the 80's man he was on fire, he had respect from his fans but also I think a lot of the
music community. In those days of glam rock a a lotta rock gutarists gave him p[rops for hisa guitar work. I dont think its new that he gets respect, it is good that more younger people are hearing about him and getting turned onto him but I think its also due to fact that really imo there isnt lotta great pop music around these days you can call me nostalgic but really I think oveerall 80's pop had it over whats out there today.
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Reply #16 posted 01/20/08 11:13pm

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NWF said:

I guess either it's because of his longevity and influence in the game or he was just this cat that was way ahead of his time. But it makes me mad to see that everyone that was hating on him back then has now come around and decided to respect the man.

When I was growing up I didn't really have too many friends or peers that like Prince as much as I did. In fact, most of the kids thought he was just this little "fag", "weirdo" or "homo" that sang like a girl. They even started picking on me and calling me similar names for liking the man. I had to constantly defend him as well as myself. He was different, yes, but he didn't deserve those titles. But see, I came in a time when Hip-Hop was prevalent (it still is today), and everyone liked that hardcore, macho bullshit. But someone like Prince, who wasn't necessarily macho and somewhat of a sotfy or sissy just didn't sit well with the mainstream folks. I loved the man, but it came at a price of becoming somewhat of a social outcast. The similar thing happened with my love for New Wave music.

But now in recent years, our hero has come back with a band and proven himself as the elder statesman of the funk. But now everyone, mainstream or underground, gives props to him or is inspired by him or whatever.

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed



You can't have it both ways. Either don't complain about the past or don't complain about the present.

I too got a lot of stick for being into Prince (and this is before Hip-Hop took over), but that's what it was all about. Normal folk didn't like the guy, and I never wanted to be normal.

The fact that he has now matured and doesn't need to shock anymore means that people can see beyond the image to the musician that was always underneath. Not needing to shock myself anymore, I'm quite happy with the state of affairs.

It's like one huge 'I told you so!' razz

Not quite sure from your post, what you want.
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Reply #17 posted 01/21/08 1:20am

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i feel you cheif and a lot of the people on this thread do too, but here are some things i try to think about when people i consider lame now act like they love prince. Prince, as a person is no less lame in his dotage than you me or anybody else. he chose those suits, just like he chooses to preach real music when the electronic synth sound and lin drum machine made him famous.He's gemini and a narcissist to boot so his world is filled with contradictions.Some theorize that prince is more shrewd and cunning than free spirit, that his little "faggot"days were a product of trying to shock and get rich. Oh well, at least we have the music.
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Reply #18 posted 01/21/08 3:38am

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NWF said:

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


Adam Ant was "that little faggot," not Prince.
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Reply #19 posted 01/21/08 8:12am

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Why the fuck does it matter what other people think?

Are you're pissed that you lost some sort of perceived Prince fan exclusivity?
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Reply #20 posted 01/21/08 9:13am

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Over all my years of following Prince I've learnt one irrefutable truth:- anyone that can't appreciate Prince as the great song writer and musician he is clearly has no taste or knowledge of music. I'm not talking about liking him he, as my Dad can't stick him, but he still appreciates that the man has some serious talent. Those that just think of him as "homo with a squeaky voice" have no musical comprehension whatsoever.....so don't give them the time of day! smile
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Reply #21 posted 01/21/08 9:32am

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DaveT said:

Over all my years of following Prince I've learnt one irrefutable truth:- anyone that can't appreciate Prince as the great song writer and musician he is clearly has no taste or knowledge of music. I'm not talking about liking him he, as my Dad can't stick him, but he still appreciates that the man has some serious talent. Those that just think of him as "homo with a squeaky voice" have no musical comprehension whatsoever.....so don't give them the time of day! smile


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Reply #22 posted 01/21/08 10:29am

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NWF said:

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


Adam Ant was "that little faggot," not Prince.



No, it was Prince.
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Reply #23 posted 01/21/08 10:54am

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just like he chooses to preach real music when the electronic synth sound and lin drum machine made him famous


He was a competent inspired musician way before he picked up those tools. There's nothing wrong with slamming those who aren't.
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Reply #24 posted 01/21/08 11:25am

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in the 90s you had michael and prince and lionel as first ever artist to conquer white only station(then) mtv

over the years michael went bananas and prince started to look more normal,started to play normal guitar ,wear normal classy suits.
and he started playing more guitar.
prince these days is much more respected as a music icon and when you mention that you like prince you can often be suprised in the way people react ;oh yeah i like prince,prince is great
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normal looking guitars
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Reply #26 posted 01/21/08 1:39pm

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viewaskew said:

NWF said:

But wait a second, I thought he was a "little faggot" back then. Now you're showing him love? pissed


Adam Ant was "that little faggot," not Prince.


But Adam Ant isn't a fag. I would resent anyone saying that about my other New Wave hero too. They're both just great artists that thought outside the box.
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Reply #27 posted 01/21/08 1:43pm

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DaveT said:

Over all my years of following Prince I've learnt one irrefutable truth:- anyone that can't appreciate Prince as the great song writer and musician he is clearly has no taste or knowledge of music. I'm not talking about liking him he, as my Dad can't stick him, but he still appreciates that the man has some serious talent. Those that just think of him as "homo with a squeaky voice" have no musical comprehension whatsoever.....so don't give them the time of day! smile


And yes, I strongly agree. But when you had the MAJORITY of peers that would rather hear someone normal like.....I don't know....Bobby Brown. lol You try and bring Prince into the conversation, and you'll just get funny looks.

Of course I could care less about what folks think. But I had to suffer growing up because of my love for him. I just wanted to be accepted. And for a person who was popular in the 80's, I saw very few Prince fans around my age that had the same love and appreciation. It was mostly for the grown folks.
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Reply #28 posted 01/21/08 2:50pm

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"I still don't know anyone that likes Prince"
All those people at the O2 concerts liked him.



TheEnglishGent said:

Outside of people I've met on the org, I still don't know anyone that likes Prince. Over the course of the summer and attendning many O2 shows, I had lots of, "isn't he gay", conversations with friends and collegues.
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Reply #29 posted 01/21/08 4:15pm

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Princes musical genius won't b fully recognised by masses of people till he's gone,just like many b4 him.
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