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Reply #30 posted 11/28/06 3:12pm

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I think in Prince's case, he has taken parts of different guitar players that he admired, like Santana, Hendrix, et al, and created from those, a style all his own - then, add sounds and techniques unique to Prince, and you get the Prince guitar sound.
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Reply #31 posted 11/28/06 6:19pm

sexxydancer

He invents,not imitates!
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Reply #32 posted 11/28/06 6:26pm

thebanishedone

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you realy think vai influanced prince?
i though about r'n'r is alive and it lives in mpls as obvious example of prince being influanced by steve vai,but michael bland told me
that is a pure coincidence
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Reply #33 posted 11/28/06 6:57pm

CinisterCee

I think Prince has acknowledged his style is closest to Santana's.

Of course, the music Prince made was nothing like had been heard before.
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Reply #34 posted 11/28/06 7:11pm

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blackguitaristz said:

kstrat said:

I think Prince has definately found his niche in respect to his guitar playing.
Within the context of his own music I think he's brilliant. Let's face it Hendrix cast some really loooong shadows. If you happen to be black & play guitar even more so. Some are very happy to embrace Jimi's influence...while some others seem to make every effort to avoid it & be un-hendrixy. (LOL)

That being said I never quite got the whole Prince/Hendrix comparison.
I can see it infinatly more than I can hear it. His stage antics...histronics..wardrobe..yes. Musically a little, but certainly not as overt some folks claim. Maybe it's just me.

It would be far more interesting...well at least to me anyway, to hear folks opinions about who his other guitar influences may have been.(both rhythm & lead) Not including the ones he's tosses around in interviews from time to time.

Maybe it's just me.....sometimes I catch a hint of a bit Jeff beck & Roy Buchanan in his lead playing.
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Good post. I agree on a lot of what u said. P has soooo many different influences. Really, I don't think it's anybody P isn't hip to. Regardless of how underground they may be. But P is also smart, in the sense that the people he WANTS u to refer to, that's who he's going to push foward the most. But yeah, he's clearly influenced by Brian May. Yes, I know he mentioned May in an interview. But it was evident years before. Todd Rundgren is another cat. Listen to Todd on lead. Steve Vai is another. It's clearly just not Hendrix and Santana. But, I do believe those two, more than any other guitarist, has had the most impact on P's style. And that has rang true throughout his career. P will never ditch that.



Has Prince also mentioned the guitarist from BOSTON in the past as an influence?
How about Clapton,Beck or Page?

Are there any other surprises with his guitar influences?
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Reply #35 posted 11/28/06 7:29pm

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yes he mentioned boston guy.
no he dont like clapton althought they peformed together on stage one august day during purple rain song.
once i heard prince say whats this sound,i don't want eric clapton soundman,i want george clintons soundman.
eric claptons favourite song is purple rain.
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Reply #36 posted 11/28/06 7:41pm

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I think one of the most flattering comments you can make about a musician is that they have their own voice on an instrument. You know Jimi when you hear him. You know Miles when you hear him. You know Herbie Hancock when you hear him. And you know Prince when you hear him.

The only valid comparison you can make is to compare Prince to Prince. That would be a more interesting conversation.


prince is ripping off jimi vibes..clothes...facial expressions..and licks all the time...the only musical thing that i have found prince to have a singular voice in.. is...his rhythm guitar playing..the chicken scratch guitar in controversey or sexuality or lady cab driver could only be Prince ! The funky bass is Larry graham and sly..the keyboards are often sly...the grooves are often JB inspired or sly..or other classic soul/funk artist...the vocals are sly,al green,marvin,joni, george clinton and a whole host of others his special thing is being a badass at all of it !!! wink
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Reply #37 posted 11/29/06 12:14pm

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prettymansson said:

HalluRain said:


I think one of the most flattering comments you can make about a musician is that they have their own voice on an instrument. You know Jimi when you hear him. You know Miles when you hear him. You know Herbie Hancock when you hear him. And you know Prince when you hear him.

The only valid comparison you can make is to compare Prince to Prince. That would be a more interesting conversation.


prince is ripping off jimi vibes..clothes...facial expressions..and licks all the time...the only musical thing that i have found prince to have a singular voice in.. is...his rhythm guitar playing..the chicken scratch guitar in controversey or sexuality or lady cab driver could only be Prince ! The funky bass is Larry graham and sly..the keyboards are often sly...the grooves are often JB inspired or sly..or other classic soul/funk artist...the vocals are sly,al green,marvin,joni, george clinton and a whole host of others his special thing is being a badass at all of it !!! wink

And there it is. Pretty, and u know this to be true, I have echoed those exact sentiments on here in the past. Truth of the matter is, is that many people on here already knows this. But they simply don't dig these other artists. They don't care if P came on here and said himself where he got all his shit from. They just care that P does it. Period. They could give a fuck
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Reply #38 posted 11/29/06 5:12pm

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on shhh hong kong rock at the end prince strikes a jimi hendrix pose.
real hendrix music lovers know what im talking about
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Reply #39 posted 11/30/06 2:04am

prettymansson

blackguitaristz said:

prettymansson said:



prince is ripping off jimi vibes..clothes...facial expressions..and licks all the time...the only musical thing that i have found prince to have a singular voice in.. is...his rhythm guitar playing..the chicken scratch guitar in controversey or sexuality or lady cab driver could only be Prince ! The funky bass is Larry graham and sly..the keyboards are often sly...the grooves are often JB inspired or sly..or other classic soul/funk artist...the vocals are sly,al green,marvin,joni, george clinton and a whole host of others his special thing is being a badass at all of it !!! wink

And there it is. Pretty, and u know this to be true, I have echoed those exact sentiments on here in the past. Truth of the matter is, is that many people on here already knows this. But they simply don't dig these other artists. They don't care if P came on here and said himself where he got all his shit from. They just care that P does it. Period. They could give a fuck

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Reply #40 posted 11/30/06 4:58am

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I am convinced that when Jimi died from that drug overdose, his spirit went into Prince.

Prince is the Jimi that never was....
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Reply #41 posted 11/30/06 5:00am

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DaveDare79 said:

I am convinced that when Jimi died from that drug overdose, his spirit went into Prince.

Prince is the Jimi that never was....


More evidence of this:
Just before Jimi died, he was working on an album called RAINBOW BRIDGE.

Prince album #1 = GRAFFITI BRIDGE
Prince album #2 = RAINBOW CHILDREN

Coincidence, methinks not...

The clues are in Prince's music, if you look closely enough..
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Reply #42 posted 11/30/06 6:57am

kstrat

DaveDare79 said:

DaveDare79 said:

I am convinced that when Jimi died from that drug overdose, his spirit went into Prince.

Prince is the Jimi that never was....


More evidence of this:
Just before Jimi died, he was working on an album called RAINBOW BRIDGE.

Prince album #1 = GRAFFITI BRIDGE
Prince album #2 = RAINBOW CHILDREN

Coincidence, methinks not...

The clues are in Prince's music, if you look closely enough..



Good grief!! There are a better candidates for the "Hendrix Incarnate"
title. I guess we can generally agree on the issue of influence. But please lets not get too hung up on it!

BTW, Jimi Hendrix death was not the direct result of a drug overdose...he choked to death on his own vomit. Hendrix spritual essense then immediately found Frank Marino as it's new host. (LMAO)
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Reply #43 posted 11/30/06 12:43pm

WomanScorned

blackguitaristz said:

prettymansson said:



prince is ripping off jimi vibes..clothes...facial expressions..and licks all the time...the only musical thing that i have found prince to have a singular voice in.. is...his rhythm guitar playing..the chicken scratch guitar in controversey or sexuality or lady cab driver could only be Prince ! The funky bass is Larry graham and sly..the keyboards are often sly...the grooves are often JB inspired or sly..or other classic soul/funk artist...the vocals are sly,al green,marvin,joni, george clinton and a whole host of others his special thing is being a badass at all of it !!! wink

And there it is. Pretty, and u know this to be true, I have echoed those exact sentiments on here in the past. Truth of the matter is, is that many people on here already knows this. But they simply don't dig these other artists. They don't care if P came on here and said himself where he got all his shit from. They just care that P does it. Period. They could give a fuck

You're damned right I don't give a fuck. And furthermore I don't give a rat's ass who did what before Prince, the fact is, when HE does those things, he makes them his own. PERIOD. Quit worshipping dead musicians. Join the living.
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Reply #44 posted 11/30/06 10:44pm

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WomanScorned said:

blackguitaristz said:


And there it is. Pretty, and u know this to be true, I have echoed those exact sentiments on here in the past. Truth of the matter is, is that many people on here already knows this. But they simply don't dig these other artists. They don't care if P came on here and said himself where he got all his shit from. They just care that P does it. Period. They could give a fuck

Quit worshipping dead musicians. Join the living.

James Brown is not dead. George Clinton is not dead. Sly Stone is not dead.Larry Graham is not dead. etc etc.
It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.

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Reply #45 posted 11/30/06 10:45pm

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RealMusician said:

Perhaps a little off-topic...but besides his guitar playing, I have a feeling that Prince is (or could be) a great vocal impersonator! We've heard him do Mick Jagger, a very convincing Ray Charles, some James Brown, the Michael Jackson "hee-hee" etc... I bet there's plenty of different singers he could sound like, just for fun.


I need specific song titles to hear these.
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Reply #46 posted 12/01/06 12:14am

prettymansson

WomanScorned said:

blackguitaristz said:


And there it is. Pretty, and u know this to be true, I have echoed those exact sentiments on here in the past. Truth of the matter is, is that many people on here already knows this. But they simply don't dig these other artists. They don't care if P came on here and said himself where he got all his shit from. They just care that P does it. Period. They could give a fuck

You're damned right I don't give a fuck. And furthermore I don't give a rat's ass who did what before Prince, the fact is, when HE does those things, he makes them his own. PERIOD. Quit worshipping dead musicians. Join the living.



Ok I see someone opened the door labeled IGNORANT !!!!! confused
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Reply #47 posted 12/01/06 4:52am

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prettymansson said:

WomanScorned said:


You're damned right I don't give a fuck. And furthermore I don't give a rat's ass who did what before Prince, the fact is, when HE does those things, he makes them his own. PERIOD. Quit worshipping dead musicians. Join the living.



Ok I see someone opened the door labeled IGNORANT !!!!! confused

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Reply #48 posted 12/01/06 9:47am

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Bali said:

Miles said:

Interesting that no-one has mentioned Prince's rhythm guitar playing skills, which imo are superior to his admittedly often marvellous lead playing.

The whole Prince on guitar subject has been widely discussed on the Org over the years, but I think as a funk rhythm player he is the best of his generation, with a highly inventive sense of rhythm and often interesting chord choices.

I also think his jazz guitar skills, while not virtuosic, are under-rated. He has displayed convincing and impressive skills in this area on parts of the 'Xpectation' album and elsewhere.

As to his lead playing, I'd say Carlos Santana was a major influence, along with Hendrix, but Prince is more modern and has used various tone boxes over the years, which, while increasing his sonic range, may have denied him a true 'guitar great' reputation as he often lacks a 'signature tone', which is often considered important. He also frequently chooses not to play as fast as some players, being possibly influenced by Miles Davis' 'less is more' doctrine - generally play fewer notes, but make those notes count.

Santana is also a Miles influencee in that way imo, and if Prince shares any tonal similarities with anyone, it's with Carlos. smile

All guitarists imitate to some degree or other. In Jimi Hendrix, you can hear blues players like Albert King, BB King,Muddy Waters/Hubert Sumlin and John Lee Hooker, and jazz players like Wes Mongomery, though Jimi brought a great deal of his own to the table too, of course.

For a multi-intrumentalist, Prince's guitar skills are impressive, and had he chosen to specialise only in guitar in his career, he may well have been one of the modern greats of the instrument.


Excellent point. P's rhythm chops are solid, when he's "locked" it can be innovative. I agree wholeheartedly with your post, and it is because like the other "greats", P understands the "tonality of sound". And he's starting to get better at it. He's getting better at exploring the "painting" of the sound. Hendrix mastered this, which is why he became who he was. Listen to ANY Hendrix track, it's almost like watching/listening to a master doing work on canvas. Their claim was never how fast, but how "colorful" the sound could be within that piece or musical style. There's beauty in proper phrasing. I agree with the choices you mentioned, but I hear a LOT of Buddy Guy's phrasing in Hendrix pieces, and that's alright by me.

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He and Roger.

A lot of good points. Hendrix is my favorite musician because of those colors you speak of. Forget the image and the fancy stringwork, that's what made him great. Well, that and good songwriting. The rest was gravy.
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Reply #49 posted 12/01/06 10:16am

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prettymansson said:

WomanScorned said:


You're damned right I don't give a fuck. And furthermore I don't give a rat's ass who did what before Prince, the fact is, when HE does those things, he makes them his own. PERIOD. Quit worshipping dead musicians. Join the living.



Ok I see someone opened the door labeled IGNORANT !!!!! confused

Damn, that truly sounded like a "woman scorned"!
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Reply #50 posted 12/01/06 3:43pm

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Jakeasaurus said:

RealMusician said:

Perhaps a little off-topic...but besides his guitar playing, I have a feeling that Prince is (or could be) a great vocal impersonator! We've heard him do Mick Jagger, a very convincing Ray Charles, some James Brown, the Michael Jackson "hee-hee" etc... I bet there's plenty of different singers he could sound like, just for fun.


I need specific song titles to hear these.


Mick Jagger - there is a videoclip from the 80's (?) where Prince is jamming with Ron Wood on guitar. The song is "Miss You", and Prince does a great Jagger parody, on just a couple of lines.

Ray Charles - of course his Pepsi commercial song ("Uh-huh, you got the right one baby..."), which Prince may or may not have written. There is an existing bootleg with Prince's vocal.

James Brown - although it might not have been his intention, the vocal style on songs like "Prettyman" is quite similar.

Michael Jackson - during his performance of "Face Down" on the Chris Rock show, Prince does the "hee-hee" (and a typical kicking dance move at the same time)

These were the ones I was thinking of. There might be other examples as well.
Also, on a lot of his rockabilly-influenced tracks from around 1981-1982 he kind of imitates Elvis Presley a little bit.
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Reply #51 posted 12/01/06 8:26pm

WomanScorned

prettymansson said:

WomanScorned said:


You're damned right I don't give a fuck. And furthermore I don't give a rat's ass who did what before Prince, the fact is, when HE does those things, he makes them his own. PERIOD. Quit worshipping dead musicians. Join the living.



Ok I see someone opened the door labeled IGNORANT !!!!! confused

No, I opened the door labeled BEING HONEST, b****. finger
[Edited 12/1/06 20:28pm]
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Reply #52 posted 12/01/06 9:22pm

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WomanScorned said:

prettymansson said:




Ok I see someone opened the door labeled IGNORANT !!!!! confused

No, I opened the door labeled BEING HONEST, b****. finger
[Edited 12/1/06 20:28pm]

Is that u, Honeymoonexpress?
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Reply #53 posted 12/01/06 10:18pm

WomanScorned

blackguitaristz said:

WomanScorned said:


No, I opened the door labeled BEING HONEST, b****. finger
[Edited 12/1/06 20:28pm]

Is that u, Honeymoonexpress?

The one and only. drink I got tired of that long ass name so I had it deleted.
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Reply #54 posted 12/02/06 1:20am

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WomanScorned said:

blackguitaristz said:


Is that u, Honeymoonexpress?

The one and only. drink I got tired of that long ass name so I had it deleted.

I KNEW it was u. I could tell from that post u made with the middle finger. I thought "That's GOT to be honeymoon." Plus, also the hating on Hendrix and the hating on anybody who digs Hendrix, definately gave it away too.
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Reply #55 posted 12/02/06 5:51am

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WomanScorned said:

prettymansson said:




Ok I see someone opened the door labeled IGNORANT !!!!! confused

No, I opened the door labeled BEING HONEST, b****. finger
[Edited 12/1/06 20:28pm]



Its a shame that your honesty is filled with so much ignorance as well... wink
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Reply #56 posted 12/02/06 10:48am

WomanScorned

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WomanScorned said:


The one and only. drink I got tired of that long ass name so I had it deleted.

I KNEW it was u. I could tell from that post u made with the middle finger. I thought "That's GOT to be honeymoon." Plus, also the hating on Hendrix and the hating on anybody who digs Hendrix, definately gave it away too.

I wasn't hating on Hendrix. Just because I find it unnecessary to point him out everytime you mention Prince's guitar playing doesn't mean I hate him.
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Reply #57 posted 12/02/06 10:50am

WomanScorned

prettymansson said:

WomanScorned said:


No, I opened the door labeled BEING HONEST, b****. finger
[Edited 12/1/06 20:28pm]



Its a shame that your honesty is filled with so much ignorance as well... wink
[Edited 12/2/06 5:52am]

I'm ignorant because I choose to tell it like it is? Me thinks you're the ignorant one here. lol
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Reply #58 posted 12/03/06 4:30am

prettymansson

WomanScorned said:

prettymansson said:




Its a shame that your honesty is filled with so much ignorance as well... wink
[Edited 12/2/06 5:52am]

I'm ignorant because I choose to tell it like it is? Me thinks you're the ignorant one here. lol


saying James Brown, George Clinton, Sly Stone & Larry Graham are dead artist is not ignorant to you..? ahhh...ok...whatever.. neutral
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Reply #59 posted 12/03/06 6:50pm

WomanScorned

prettymansson said:

WomanScorned said:


I'm ignorant because I choose to tell it like it is? Me thinks you're the ignorant one here. lol


saying James Brown, George Clinton, Sly Stone & Larry Graham are dead artist is not ignorant to you..? ahhh...ok...whatever.. neutral

I know they're alive, retard. I wasn't talking about them. I was specifically talking about HENDRIX, and whoever else is dead that you guys like to talk about.
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