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Reply #30 posted 12/05/05 7:22am

JediMaster

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Personally, I love it. It's an incredibly funky number, and I think if people had thought it was a "black album" outtake they would be declaring it to be a masterpiece. Now, I don't think it merits that title, but it is a damned good, funky tune.
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Reply #31 posted 12/05/05 9:34am

Shorty

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nah...I don't really like it. neutral
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #32 posted 12/05/05 10:22am

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I'm not sure i understand... what do you mean by disregard for topic? It sounds like you are part of the prince camp and offended because someone's feelings where hurt.

PS, I love the song, and it would be on a "best of" compilation by me.

MickG said:

purplerain7 said:


Why? Out of curiosity...?


I don’t think it should be to hard for anyone to accept that there is not a song written in the world that doesn’t come back to some realistic basis of the songs characters. This is true in all cases, and it is true in Prince’s case. Although, the character might be a figment of the imagination of the author of the song, it’s disregard for topic matter shows a failing in the authors perception of the people around him. Also including an unfavorable pretrial of him self in the song, I find the song to be in great distaste and a common missed thread in the miscommunications prince is famous for.
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Reply #33 posted 12/05/05 10:45am

Rhondab

yeah...its one of my favs from the cd.
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Reply #34 posted 12/05/05 11:50am

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ufoclub said:

I'm not sure i understand... what do you mean by disregard for topic? It sounds like you are part of the prince camp and offended because someone's feelings where hurt.

PS, I love the song, and it would be on a "best of" compilation by me.


Yeah, this post had me scratching my head. Here's my decipherment:

MickG said:

I don’t think it should be to hard for anyone to accept that there is not a song written in the world that doesn’t come back to some realistic basis of the songs characters.
I interpret this to mean that all songs reflect some truth about human behaviour, in some way or other.

Although, the character might be a figment of the imagination of the author of the song
ie. although the characters and situation are made-up by Prince

it’s disregard for topic matter
ie. Prince shows disgust for this situation of the gigalo and this rich woman - which he himself has created.

Shows a failing in the authors perception of the people around him.
I think this is either saying this situation is inspired by the people Prince surrounds him by, of which he has a poor opinion; or that it shows Prince hasn't got a grasp on reality leading him to create very artificial cynical situations like this to sing about(?)

Also including an unfavorable portrayal of himself in the song
I don't get this - Prince isn't one of the characters in the song - unless it is trying to say the way Prince sings cynically about this made-up situation itself puts his character in a bad light, or that he must associate himself in some way with one of these nasty characters.

I find the song to be in great distaste
I agree with that, I think the entire made-up context of the song and characters within it are distasteful and unlikeable.

and a common missed thread in the miscommunications prince is famous for.
I take this to mean the underlying point of this song has been missed as with many of Prince's songs.

All in all, I take Mick G to be saying he saying he doesn't like the song because it is a very artificial situation with clearly unlikeable characters, and by creating this cynical commentary on some of the people he's met, it displays Prince's own cynical nature...?

Or something like that. I could be completely wrong!
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Reply #35 posted 12/05/05 12:53pm

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hmm
News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #36 posted 12/06/05 3:30pm

gyro34

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I love this song. It's a masterpiece...Great! Who likes it too? are we free to discuss it here at the .org? WOuld the npgmc mind?


What do you like about it? Sometimes I like this song, but sometimes I hate it. Don't you think that in certain points he sings out of tune?
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Reply #37 posted 12/06/05 3:56pm

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that is hilarious. I loved the fact that he sung this in an eastern key that was incredibly catchy, but to your ears it was getting out of tune.... what different interpretations!

gyro34 said:

chunky said:

I love this song. It's a masterpiece...Great! Who likes it too? are we free to discuss it here at the .org? WOuld the npgmc mind?


What do you like about it? Sometimes I like this song, but sometimes I hate it. Don't you think that in certain points he sings out of tune?
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Reply #38 posted 12/06/05 9:12pm

gyro34

ufoclub said:

that is hilarious. I loved the fact that he sung this in an eastern key that was incredibly catchy, but to your ears it was getting out of tune.... what different interpretations!

gyro34 said:



What do you like about it? Sometimes I like this song, but sometimes I hate it. Don't you think that in certain points he sings out of tune?


What's an eastern key?
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Reply #39 posted 12/06/05 9:16pm

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This one and "Life Of The Party" are the two worst songs on the whole album.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #40 posted 12/06/05 10:25pm

chunky

vainandy said:

This one and "Life Of The Party" are the two worst songs on the whole album.



i can't believe you.
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Reply #41 posted 12/06/05 11:06pm

ufoclub

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different set of notes that sound in tune.... western music, eastern music....

gyro34 said:

ufoclub said:

that is hilarious. I loved the fact that he sung this in an eastern key that was incredibly catchy, but to your ears it was getting out of tune.... what different interpretations!



What's an eastern key?
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Reply #42 posted 12/07/05 12:34am

calin

headbang music Cool song. One of the best on Musicology. headbang music
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Reply #43 posted 12/07/05 8:08pm

gyro34

ufoclub said:

different set of notes that sound in tune.... western music, eastern music....

gyro34 said:



What's an eastern key?


Could you be more specific? Are you comparing this song to some Eastern artist you like?
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Reply #44 posted 12/07/05 9:48pm

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specific? Maybe the answer is in here, I just googled it.


One major difference between Western music and Middle Eastern music is that Western music tends to be based on a scale (sometimes called a key), while Oriental music is based on a maqam. In the words of San Francisco musician Mimi Spencer, a maqam is "something more than a scale, something less than a tune."

In typical Western music, there are 12 possible notes to choose from: A, A Sharp (also known as B Flat), B, C, C Sharp (also known as D Flat), D, D Sharp (also known as E Flat), E, F, F Sharp (also known as G Flat), G, and G Sharp (also known as A Flat). But only 7 of these notes are normally used in a given song. The 7 notes selected as the basis for a given song comprise a scale, and there are certain specific rules regarding which 7 notes can be used in a certain scale. For example, a typical Western song in the key of D Major will use only the notes D, E, F Sharp, G, A, B, and C Sharp. The scale also defines certain relationships between the notes for determining which notes the chords will consist of, and which chords will serve as the basic building blocks for a given song.

In Arabic and Turkish music, the maqam utilizes only selected notes from the full range of possible notes available, so in that respect it resembles the Western scale. But the maqam goes farther in its influence on the resulting music. It also consists of a melody scrap based on certain key notes from that scale and a certain tendency of movement. So a song written in a certain maqam must not only use the particular notes in that maqam, but it must also incorporate the melody scrap for that maqam into the melody line of the song.

Half Steps And Quarter Tones

In Western music, the musical notes are a half step (semitone) apart. For example, on a standard Western piano or harpsichord, each white key and each black key represents one of the 12 possible notes that can be used in Western music, and each is a half step higher than the key immediately adjacent to its left.

However, many (but not all) Middle Eastern songs use quarter tones. A quarter tone is a pitch that is halfway between two adjacent keys on a Western piano. So, instead of having 12 possible notes to use as the basis of building a scale, Oriental music has twice as many possible notes to choose from in building a maqam. It would be impossible to play a Middle Eastern song that uses quarter tones on many standard Western instruments such as pianos, trumpets, and saxophones, because certain notes would simply not have corresponding keys or finger combinations--they would fall halfway between two adjacent ones. (It is possible to tune some Western instruments to play music with quarter tones, but the standard instrument tuned for normal Western symphonic or concert band music would not be capable of playing quarter tones.)


gyro34 said:

ufoclub said:

different set of notes that sound in tune.... western music, eastern music....



Could you be more specific? Are you comparing this song to some Eastern artist you like?
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Reply #45 posted 12/08/05 7:15am

RodeoSchro

My only regret is that I never got to hear The Chronic's version of the funk solo.

That is, of course, assuming that The Chronic was able to play something that he had to learn by ear and not read off a sheet. But as a University of Michigan graduate (very impressive!), I'm sure Mr. Three-Fine pulled it off.
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Reply #46 posted 12/08/05 11:55am

gyro34

ufoclub said:

specific? Maybe the answer is in here, I just googled it.


One major difference between Western music and Middle Eastern music is that Western music tends to be based on a scale (sometimes called a key), while Oriental music is based on a maqam. In the words of San Francisco musician Mimi Spencer, a maqam is "something more than a scale, something less than a tune."

In typical Western music, there are 12 possible notes to choose from: A, A Sharp (also known as B Flat), B, C, C Sharp (also known as D Flat), D, D Sharp (also known as E Flat), E, F, F Sharp (also known as G Flat), G, and G Sharp (also known as A Flat). But only 7 of these notes are normally used in a given song. The 7 notes selected as the basis for a given song comprise a scale, and there are certain specific rules regarding which 7 notes can be used in a certain scale. For example, a typical Western song in the key of D Major will use only the notes D, E, F Sharp, G, A, B, and C Sharp. The scale also defines certain relationships between the notes for determining which notes the chords will consist of, and which chords will serve as the basic building blocks for a given song.

In Arabic and Turkish music, the maqam utilizes only selected notes from the full range of possible notes available, so in that respect it resembles the Western scale. But the maqam goes farther in its influence on the resulting music. It also consists of a melody scrap based on certain key notes from that scale and a certain tendency of movement. So a song written in a certain maqam must not only use the particular notes in that maqam, but it must also incorporate the melody scrap for that maqam into the melody line of the song.

Half Steps And Quarter Tones

In Western music, the musical notes are a half step (semitone) apart. For example, on a standard Western piano or harpsichord, each white key and each black key represents one of the 12 possible notes that can be used in Western music, and each is a half step higher than the key immediately adjacent to its left.

However, many (but not all) Middle Eastern songs use quarter tones. A quarter tone is a pitch that is halfway between two adjacent keys on a Western piano. So, instead of having 12 possible notes to use as the basis of building a scale, Oriental music has twice as many possible notes to choose from in building a maqam. It would be impossible to play a Middle Eastern song that uses quarter tones on many standard Western instruments such as pianos, trumpets, and saxophones, because certain notes would simply not have corresponding keys or finger combinations--they would fall halfway between two adjacent ones. (It is possible to tune some Western instruments to play music with quarter tones, but the standard instrument tuned for normal Western symphonic or concert band music would not be capable of playing quarter tones.)


gyro34 said:



Could you be more specific? Are you comparing this song to some Eastern artist you like?


Thanks, ufoclub. Prince never ceases to amaze me.
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Reply #47 posted 12/12/05 8:16am

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RodeoSchro said:

My only regret is that I never got to hear The Chronic's version of the funk solo.

That is, of course, assuming that The Chronic was able to play something that he had to learn by ear and not read off a sheet. But as a University of Michigan graduate (very impressive!), I'm sure Mr. Three-Fine pulled it off.


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