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Thread started 04/10/05 9:54pm

OceanOfViolets

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Of all the people in the world, "Why Should I Love You?"

On the last cd by Kate Bush ("The Red Shoes") released in 1993, is a song ("Why Should I Love You?") that is a collaboration between her and our handsome Prince. batting eyes

Prince really creates a unique and sublime experience with his use of organ and lively backing vox. His guitar with funky fluidly takes u on a trip. Kate (as always) shines bright with her transcendent and cherubic vocal stylings. The way she coquettishly, yet at the same time powerfully, delivers the chorus is amazing! Every fam should certainly have this song in their collection.

Prince as a prolific song writer, brilliant musician apparently likes to share his talents with others... such as his side projects and offering songs to other artists. I am not sure why he does this as almost every single time his demo songs are much better than the final song recorded by the other artist (an exceptation might be Jill Jones).

In this case with this song, it is the perfect mix. It is great to see his soulful efforts perfectly complimenting Kates lyrics and inspirational muses. It is best when he helps others with their songs, but when he has his own creations i wish he would keep them all and sing them. His voice is divine.

I'm chatty 2nite! razz




Windows Media Player - Sound Sample of Kate and Prince (go to track 11)
http://www.amazon.com/exe...97-0125529




"Why Should I Love You?"
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This chapter says
Put it out of your mind
Mmm, give it time....

The fine purple
The purest gold
The red of the sacred heart
The grey of a ghost
The l of the lips are open
To the o of the host
The v of the velvet

Of all of the people in the world
Why should I love you?
There’s just something ’bout you
There’s just something ’bout you
Of all the people in the world
Why should I love you?

Have you ever seen a picture
Of jesus laughing?
Mmm, do you think
He had a beautiful smile?
A smile that healed

Of all the people in the world
Why should I love you?
There’s just something ’bout you
There’s just something ’bout you
Of all the people in the world
Why should I love you?
Of all the people in the world
Why should I love you?

The fine purple
The purest gold
The red of the sacred heart
The grey of a ghost
The l of the lips are open
To the o of the host
The v of the velvet
The e of my eye
The eye in wonder
The eye that sees
The I that loves you

Of all the people in the world
Why should I love you?

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Arrangement by Kate and Prince
Kate: Vocals, Keyboards
Prince: Keyboards, Guitar, Groovy Bass, Vocals




Prince we love U! Please sweetheart release a new cd sooooon! butterfly
"All of me eye give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me."

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"I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace.
And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face."
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Reply #1 posted 04/11/05 12:54am

MetroArea

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Read (former Prince engineer) Michael Koppleman's account of how Prince butchered this song: http://www.lolife.com/blo...00062.html


> > lolife@bitstream.net (LoLife) writes:
> > I've begged her to let me record or mix something for years (that's what
> > I do for a living). My wish came true when I worked on Why Should I
> > Love You when I worked for Prince, but I hated what he did to that song
> > so much it killed me.
> >
>
> So, lolife, tell us about this experience. We're curious little animals, the Love Hounds.
>
> Did you ever get to talk to Kate in person?

I did, but only for a short moment. I was at home and the phone rang. I
didn't always answer the phone in those days, because I was severly
overworked. So my answering machine picked it up and I heard Julie, from
Paisley Park, saying "Mike, I got Kate Bush on the phone and she has some
questions about what format they should send things over on, and I
thought it would be best if she talked to you. I, being an admitted Kate
Bush fan, freaked, but picked up the phone and talked to Julie. She says,
Kate, I have Prince's engineer Michael Koppelman on the phone and he can
answer your questions. Meanwhile, my answering machine is still recording
it all, and blaring loudly. I tell my then girlfriend to shut if off just
as Kate comes on and says Hello Michael? (so to this day, if I could find
it, i have a tape of Kate saying hello to me...). The conversation
consisted only of her asking me if they could send 24-track tapes and
what series SSL computer disks. I also asked her if she was going to come
to Minneapolis, and she said I don't think I'm wanted out there right
now. Then we basically said good-bye and hung up.

It's funny because Prince knew I was a huge KB fan. He was too, but not
like me. The first time I asked him if he liked Kate Bush he said, she's
my favorite woman. I also made him a tape of all the KB b-sides, which
fucking rule. When The Sensual World came out he had someone go get it and
we listened to it in the studio. He didn't dig it that much, but I knew
you can't always tell right away with a Kate album. TSW grew on me, but it
is still not her best effort. This Woman's Work is a masterpiece, though,
and makes the whole album worth it. But I digress. Prince is weird, and a
couple stories in this post prove it. I may be tooting my own horn here,
but Prince has a weird ego. I think *part* of his motivation to work with
Kate was the fact that I worshipped her, and he knew it would impress me
that he could call her on the phone and work on her music and shit.
ANYWAY, what led up to the phone conversation above: one day Prince's
assistant, Therese, told me as we were talking on the phone that Kate Bush
had called. Therese also knew I was a big Kate fan. Then, in the studio
that day, Prince said, guess who I talked to today. Me, being stupid and
unable to keep my mouth shut, said, Kate Bush? Prince got a little miffed,
and said How did you know that? And I said Therese told me, and he said,
hmm, I should dock here for that. At that point I knew I fucked up and
tried to say, no, she just knew I'm a big fan. As a side note, I told
Therese that Prince was a little pissed that she had told me that, and she
apologized to him. Therese is a really cool person. So, Prince tells me
that he and Kate are going to work on a tune together. He also told me
that while they were talking he told her that his engineer would rather
work with her than him. (I thought, wow, Prince and Kate Bush talking
about me!) ANYWAY, Eventually the phone call above occured and the tapes
arrived and I put them up and got a rough mix up. I still have a cassette
of it. It fucking rules. It is 1 million times better than the lame diso
Prince put on it. There was, of course, no disco on it before Prince got
his hands on it. So Prince comes in and listens to it. And the brutality
began. First we sampled the drum thing and synced it up to my Powerbook so
we could do MIDI. At that point, we essentially created a new song on a
new piece of tape and then flew all of Kate's tracks back on top of it. So
now we could run the sequencer and add all the keyboards that Prince put
on. So Prince stacked a bunch of keys, guitars, basses, etc, on it and then
went to sing background vocals. When Prince does vocals, he sits right at
the recording console with a microphone hanging over it and does his own
punching in and out. So he kicks everyone out of the room when he sings.
It took him a few hours and then he called me back in and played me the
thick, multi-tracked background vocals he had put on. Now, as we all know,
the song in question goes "Of all the people in the world why should i
love you". When Prince called me back in and played me what he had done,
he had sung "All of the people in the world", instead of Of All. I said,
isn't it OF all the people in the world? Not ALL of? He said, no, we had a
little talk about that, in his cocky way, as if to say he had talked with
Kate about changing the words to "all of" instead of "of all". The next
day, I was waiting at my hotel room for the call to go to the studio when
the assistant engineer, Sylvia Massy, called and said Prince was in the
studio doing vocals. I was surprised; i was always called well in advance
of Prince going into the studio. When I got there he was changing all the
vocals to "Of All", and was sampling them in himself, which is something
he would normally never do himself. My interpetation? He made a mistake,
as humans do, and didn't have the guts to admit it. That's weird. So I
sorta poked my head in at one point and asked him if he needed any help,
and we went on with the day. Eventually he had me do a rough mix, and when
he had approved it, we sent it to Kate. I got a call from Therese a few
days (or weeks, I forget) later. She said, Kate Bush said to destroy all
copies of that mix. I said, huh? Did she not like it or something? (my
heart rejoiced, because I hated what Prince did to it) She said, I don't
know, she just said to destroy them. Later on Prince told me, Kate Bush
liked what we did. She said it sounded very American. So at that point I
wasn't sure if she was even going to use it. We sent the tapes back and
she sort of split the difference with what he sent and what's on the
record. Kate, if you read this, stick the pre-Prince version of Why Should
I Love You out on something. And let me do a remix of Not This Time.

Later,
LoLife
aka
Michael Koppelman
lolife@bitstream.net
http://www.bitstream.net/gods/lolife

DISCLAIMER: The above is my perception of what occured. I was there, and
that's what I thought of it. I did not intend to invade anyone's privacy,
nor have I signed a non-disclosure agreement with any of the parties
mentioned. I also want to add that I truly enjoyed my years working for
Prince, but the man treats people as if he thinks he is actually "better"
than them, like he's royalty or something, and that makes it hard to look
back on working with him fondly.
Don't worry, I can't get pregnant - my ovaries are diseased......
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Reply #2 posted 04/11/05 1:46am

OceanOfViolets

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thanks 4 the followup post metro ! smile

Hmmmm ... difficult to imagine any song being "butchered" by Prince. I hope we can hear the other version someday too. Maybe it has a more complex arrangement or something like that.

It would be (in my best eartha kit voice) "purrrrrfect" if there was a version with Prince on lead vocals 2!
Yum Yum!

cat


Michael Koppleman are u on the ORG? Please share more things about your experiences in the studio... song making always seems so magical 2 me.
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"All of me eye give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me."

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"I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace.
And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face."
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Reply #3 posted 04/11/05 1:47am

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In the end, I think they used very little of what Prince provided. I always heard that Kate got Lenny Henry (UK comedian who was a big fan occasionally impersonated Prince on his shows) to redo the vocals in a Prince style. So I'm not sure it's even Prince's 'soulful efforts' you hear on that song.

Sorry to burst your bubble!
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Reply #4 posted 04/11/05 1:52am

MetroArea

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Yes, Lenny added vocals too (after Prince). nod
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Reply #5 posted 04/11/05 1:59am

vivid

metalorange said:

In the end, I think they used very little of what Prince provided. I always heard that Kate got Lenny Henry (UK comedian who was a big fan occasionally impersonated Prince on his shows) to redo the vocals in a Prince style. So I'm not sure it's even Prince's 'soulful efforts' you hear on that song.

Sorry to burst your bubble!


Both Prince and Lenny Henry provide vocals on the song. Don't know what that does to anyone's bubble, but there you go.
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Reply #6 posted 04/11/05 2:03am

OceanOfViolets

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There is also a group called "The Trio Bulgarka" with vocals on it, i am not so sure they are blended into the background vocals along with prince, kate and lenny.

They are clearly in the beginning though, and appear at different crests in the song.

dancing jig
"All of me eye give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me."

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"I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace.
And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face."
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Reply #7 posted 04/11/05 2:17am

OceanOfViolets

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prince prince prince prince prince prince prince prince prince prince prince prince prince prince


"All of me eye give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me."

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"I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace.
And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face."
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Reply #8 posted 04/11/05 2:30am

Rockability

I'm confused.

Kate Bush called and asked Prince to cut some shit for her album. Then, the engineer gets upset when its disco-style shit?

You freaks never cease to amaze me. Pyrotechnitions, engineers, dancers, blah blah blah.

Prince is about funk, which you call disco.

Don't contact Prince to record on your song unless u want it. That doesn't mean it will happen, but its a chance.

Shit, WTF, send it to Norah Jones.
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Reply #9 posted 04/11/05 4:02am

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Rockability said:

I'm confused.

Kate Bush called and asked Prince to cut some shit for her album. Then, the engineer gets upset when its disco-style shit?

You freaks never cease to amaze me. Pyrotechnitions, engineers, dancers, blah blah blah.

Prince is about funk, which you call disco.

Don't contact Prince to record on your song unless u want it. That doesn't mean it will happen, but its a chance.

Shit, WTF, send it to Norah Jones.


I suppose any collaboration between 2 big artists is a risk - you never know if it will work out. I think Kate realised that what Prince had done with the track just didn't suit her - but rather than abandon the track, she worked hard to make it a Kate Bush track whilst still retaining Prince's influence. I heard Kate worked on it on and off for 2 years!
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Reply #10 posted 04/11/05 4:12am

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I remember reading that Prince did a similar thing with Gwen Stefani's song "Waiting Room". She had inspiration and some lyrics and when Prince worked on it it was like a completely different song. It wasn't released immediately because it didn't fit with the flow of the cd at the time.

If it is the other artists CD - they should be 100% satisfied with the songs on their own CD.

I wouldn't like to have a guest on Prince's CD and have the guest take over the song either.

Are there any song writers on the ORG? How difficult is it to make a song and come up with the arrangements etc.. (two years seems like an awful long time)

I used to play piano in 4th grade biggrin I was good tooo!
"All of me eye give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me."

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"I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace.
And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face."
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Reply #11 posted 04/13/05 3:48pm

Riverpoet31

The most exceptional thing about this track i think is that Lenny Henry turned up to do a 'rap' near end.....

Lenny Henry is a well known englisch comedian, and he did a brilliant tv-serie called 'the chief' with him playing the chiefcook of some fancy restaurant.
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Reply #12 posted 04/13/05 4:11pm

Marrk

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Riverpoet31 said:

The most exceptional thing about this track i think is that Lenny Henry turned up to do a 'rap' near end.....

Lenny Henry is a well known englisch comedian, and he did a brilliant tv-serie called 'the chief' with him playing the chiefcook of some fancy restaurant.


It was called 'Chef' and it was crap. Lenny Henry is just not funny. I'd be highly surprised if any UK posters disagree with me on that.

This song kicks ass though.
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Reply #13 posted 04/14/05 5:17am

Riverpoet31

Mark, i dont know about that, i enjoyed that series a lot

By the way I am dutch wink
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Reply #14 posted 04/14/05 5:32am

MetroArea

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Rockability said:

I'm confused.

Kate Bush called and asked Prince to cut some shit for her album. Then, the engineer gets upset when its disco-style shit?

You freaks never cease to amaze me. Pyrotechnitions, engineers, dancers, blah blah blah.

Prince is about funk, which you call disco.

Don't contact Prince to record on your song unless u want it. That doesn't mean it will happen, but its a chance.

Shit, WTF, send it to Norah Jones.


Who exactly are you addressing? You're addressing plural people, when the quote comes directly from one person, Prince's engineer at the time.
Don't worry, I can't get pregnant - my ovaries are diseased......
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Reply #15 posted 04/14/05 5:33am

MetroArea

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Marrk said:

Lenny Henry is just not funny. I'd be highly surprised if any UK posters disagree with me on that.


Damn right, he's about as funny as contracting a terminal disease.
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Reply #16 posted 04/23/05 3:47pm

lolife

Rockability said:

I'm confused.

Kate Bush called and asked Prince to cut some shit for her album. Then, the engineer gets upset when its disco-style shit?

You freaks never cease to amaze me. Pyrotechnitions, engineers, dancers, blah blah blah.

Prince is about funk, which you call disco.

Don't contact Prince to record on your song unless u want it. That doesn't mean it will happen, but its a chance.

Shit, WTF, send it to Norah Jones.


The thing is, it's called music and Prince is good at a lot of different kinds of music. I've seen him do a lot of great music that wasn't funk and what "Why Should I Love You" needed was not lame disco. That is, of course, just my opinion.

Cheers,
Michael Koppelman
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Reply #17 posted 04/23/05 3:50pm

lolife

OceanOfViolets said:

Michael Koppleman are u on the ORG? Please share more things about your experiences in the studio... song making always seems so magical 2 me.
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I am now! I saw hits coming to my site from here so checked it out.

I recorded some stories from my Prince days on my podcast. You can go right to it here http://www.lolife.com/blo...00090.html.

Cheers,
Michael Koppelman
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Reply #18 posted 04/24/05 5:34am

emesem

I had such high hopes for this back then...like "Love Song", Prince just can't seem to work well other performers...

My Computer is a much better collaboration between them...
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Reply #19 posted 04/24/05 5:49am

OceanOfViolets

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Welcome to the Org Michael! biggrin

Thank you for posting and I very much look forward to hearing your podcasts!

Much appreciation for all your work!!!



((((( 1000 Hugs and Kisses 4 U )))) hug







Yo relative, u just.... u.... u just gonna play the ....
U gonna play the bass just ....
U gonna just do the line over .... no! Gimmie This! Oh~!!

Play That Thing!!!!!

[ insert the mighty fierce funkalicious groove here ]
"All of me eye give 2 thee down at your feet ...
The reassurance in your rhythm speaks 2 me."

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"I wanna hold U, wrap U up in lace.
And I wanna kiss U, kiss U all over your face."
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Reply #20 posted 04/24/05 7:11am

Cloudbuster

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lurking
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Reply #21 posted 04/24/05 7:40am

Number23

lolife said:

OceanOfViolets said:

Michael Koppleman are u on the ORG? Please share more things about your experiences in the studio... song making always seems so magical 2 me.
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I am now! I saw hits coming to my site from here so checked it out.

I recorded some stories from my Prince days on my podcast. You can go right to it here http://www.lolife.com/blo...00090.html.

Cheers,
Michael Koppelman

Were Prince and Tony M shagging? Thanks in advance.
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Reply #22 posted 04/24/05 7:46am

Cloudbuster

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Number23 said:

Were Prince and Tony M shagging? Thanks in advance.


Photos?
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Reply #23 posted 04/24/05 7:47am

Number23

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Number23 said:

Were Prince and Tony M shagging? Thanks in advance.


Photos?

Michael just orgnoted me one. Tony was the bitch.
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Reply #24 posted 04/24/05 7:50am

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Number23 said:

Michael just orgnoted me one. Tony was the bitch.


I don't believe it. lol
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Reply #25 posted 04/24/05 7:57am

Number23

Cloudbuster said:

Number23 said:

Michael just orgnoted me one. Tony was the bitch.


I don't believe it. lol

Michael added that Prince originally wanted this picture to be the front cover for Diamonds and Pearls, but Warners refused outright, leading to the eventual name change/slave fiasco. Finally, the truth. Thank you, Michael.
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Reply #26 posted 04/24/05 8:01am

Cloudbuster

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lol
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Reply #27 posted 04/24/05 8:25am

lolife

Number23 said:

Were Prince and Tony M shagging? Thanks in advance.


No.
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Reply #28 posted 04/24/05 8:31am

Number23

lolife said:

Number23 said:

Were Prince and Tony M shagging? Thanks in advance.


No.

smile
Whose idea was it to sample Hendrix in Tick, Tick, Bang?
[Edited 4/24/05 8:39am]
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Reply #29 posted 04/24/05 8:38am

Number23

Number23 said:

lolife said:



No.

smile
Who's idea was it to sample Hendrix in Tick, Tick, Bang?

And why didn't you erase the title track when Prince's back was turned? You could have saved that album.
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